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Postby WroW » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:00 am

biteme_lestat wrote:Dang, that sucks! at least the ones on their catalogue ryt now are mostly the old ones.....so I guess we gotta download the dramas we like ASAP before they get licensed...:(

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I looked at the list...most of it are korean dramas.....hope they don't get too much of the japanese dramas 8crosses fingers*


I dont think the same thing will happen to JDramas. The Japanese dont care or just ignore that foreigners watch their dramas :mrgreen: (do see all the Jdrama DVDs with english subs :roll )

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Postby nadesico » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:08 am

So I think by reading this we are now reaching a new era concerning drama world... It's true it has already happenned in the past for anime , and there are still anime fansubbs so I think it's not the end of the world, I think it's rather good news. The negative points is the price though, but in this case, why not purchase dramas in Yes asia? It's affordable and I understood the english version is good most of the time.
Anyway, if softsubs and clubboxes are still allowed, that's a relief. Yet I just feel sad for all the teams which are doing an amazing job with these licensed series, it's such a pity...

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Postby darkrazor » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:17 am

hmm so the video files will be removed but the soft subs will stay right?
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Postby ervingeoffrey » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:22 am

I don't all understand.
When Dramas are licensed, they will removed on D.A Tracker.
But, if they are not in EngHardsub, why?
TV rip is not illegal, but DVD rip , yes.
Softsub is not illegal, but Hardsub , yes


Why some Raws file are being deleted? ( Freeze, Jumong, My Girl...)?

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Postby sanling » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:26 am

I am all for licensed series. I usually rent them because I certainly cannot afford to buy them.

My main reason for downloading from d-addicts is because of the English subtitles. My English is not the best but my god, have you guys seem some of these licensed kdramas? The English is so bad that its a joke. Sometimes I wonder how these companies allowed these series with poor English subtitles be sold on the market. I am sure they paid their translators.

You subbers are doing this for free. My hats off to you guys. Your work is greatly appreicated.

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Postby cutekid » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:27 am

its so sad. YA DVDs are so expensive. i can't afford one. if clubbox is still available then its good. just need to learn how to use them. :lol or i can get them somewhere else. i'm just sad that all of the fansub teams work will go to waste. :cry: i hope its not the end of the world here yet. i just hate some of the translated work of those licensed dramas because the subs sometimes sucks. i think D-addicts fansubbers are the best! thank you very much for all the hard works
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Postby Ruroshin » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:41 am

ervingeoffrey wrote:I don't all understand.
When Dramas are licensed, they will removed on D.A Tracker.
But, if they are not in EngHardsub, why?
TV rip is not illegal, but DVD rip , yes.
Softsub is not illegal, but Hardsub , yes


Why some Raws file are being deleted? ( Freeze, Jumong, My Girl...)?


when a series gets licensed that means the licensed works i.e. the video have to be removed this include raws as they are part of the licensed works. i.e. things produced by the original publisher the licensor.

Softsub is just a text file that is derivative creation and created from scratch by fans, as far as I know this has never been challenge before in the motion media world. I only know of instances where a translation was illegal and that was for a book in which case the whole work is basically text. I think that case doesn't apply here since the original work is video.

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Postby Angelyn » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:46 am

*sigh* here we go again with the lawsuits... but then again, i guess we all knew this was coming sometime or other right?

it kind of sucks that they were pulled with no warning though... being in the middle of a drama and having to wait until i can buy the overpriced dvd is a major bummer >.<

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Postby raider73 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:54 am

ervingeoffrey wrote:I don't all understand.
When Dramas are licensed, they will removed on D.A Tracker.
But, if they are not in EngHardsub, why?
TV rip is not illegal, but DVD rip , yes.
Softsub is not illegal, but Hardsub , yes


Why some Raws file are being deleted? ( Freeze, Jumong, My Girl...)?


Maybe in France it's legal but it's illegal in the US to distribute even TV rips. The law I think is called Fair Use and basically it states it is legal to rip it yourself but once you download from someone else who distributing it, it is illegal. The law is lame though, I rip from TV, it is okay, I download the same thing from the net, it is illegal. I think softsubs are illegal also--you are translating someone else's work w/o their permission.

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Postby cutekid » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:59 am

Angelyn wrote:*sigh* here we go again with the lawsuits... but then again, i guess we all knew this was coming sometime or other right?

it kind of sucks that they were pulled with no warning though... being in the middle of a drama and having to wait until i can buy the overpriced dvd is a major bummer >.<


i definitely agree with that. man that sucks and i hope they can make the prices lower. its so expensive. if they can compete with the prices of the pirated ones i might buy from them but for now might just enjoy watching dramas from here or youtube. make the price reasonable.
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Postby ervingeoffrey » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:01 am

OK, TV-rip is not allowed, it's cool....
Fortunately, Clubbox exist. But why Freeze are being deleted, and Jumong OST?

Freeze is not licensed by YA Entertainment.

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Postby raider73 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:05 am

ervingeoffrey wrote:Fortunately, Clubbox exist.


Amen to that. I have 13,000pts. Will wait until 20,000pts so I can get 300GB of Quick Download.

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Postby rayasunshine » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:06 am

i'm sorry for complaining.. but this SUCKS so bad!!!!!! How many episodes are in Jumong?? I just started watching it although I have downloaded through episode 28!!! I don't know how to use clubbox... wahhhhh and I def. can't afford $100 for something I am just going to watch once... maybe twice. Anywayssss can someone PM me about a way I can at least finish Jumong if you know what I mean... pleaseeeeeeee! :glare: ........ I wonder if other companies are going to start doing this too!!?? lameeeee but I guess its understandable....

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Postby marie_23 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:21 am

I have to say that I'm not to shock by this sudden news. However, I'm sadden by it :-( The strange thing is before I found this wonderful website I use to just rent a lot of my favorite dramas off an asian internet video site. Once they would arrive in the mail I would burn myself a copy to keep in my collection :lol It looks like I might have to go back to this very same method again for certain dramas.

What I really like about d-addicts is that you all provided the fansubs for certain dramas that would never be translated into english :-) Can you guys at least keep making english translations for the dramas? and just not ever upload the actual raw video...I know of one website that only uploads the translations for certain dramas and viewers have to search the internet to locate the raw video on their own.

So, I don't think you guys need to stop with translations of the dramas on their list. Just don't put raw video of any kind for the translations on your site and everything should be okay...

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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:25 am

raider73 wrote:
Maybe in France it's legal but it's illegal in the US to distribute even TV rips. The law I think is called Fair Use and basically it states it is legal to rip it yourself but once you download from someone else who distributing it, it is illegal. The law is lame though, I rip from TV, it is okay, I download the same thing from the net, it is illegal. I think softsubs are illegal also--you are translating someone else's work w/o their permission.


It is not true for France. There is a law called DADVSI who forbids any private copy even if we possess an original. (It is the only country which has the similar law)
Thus, French have no right to possess a TV-Rip. (Even if I make a rip myself)

It is damage that the concerned drama are removed but I understand perfectly your situation to stay in the legality in your country.
At least, thank you to make us share all these dramas

PS : Excuse me for the faults but I don't speak English very well.

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Postby Athaclena42 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:28 am

ervingeoffrey wrote:OK, TV-rip is not allowed, it's cool....
Fortunately, Clubbox exist. But why Freeze are being deleted, and Jumong OST?

Freeze is not licensed by YA Entertainment.


Yes...Freeze does not seem to have been licensed...why delete it?

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Postby gixo » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:34 am

:O I think it's interesting that YAE is linking to the wiki of d-a, so the potential buyers can get more information of the drama. They are directing the people to a side where they might get some stuff for free before they licence it. :whistling:

I am pretty curious about how the subs of YAE will look like. Do you guys think that they'll use some parts of fansubbers work (timing, etc)? And I hope that their English subs will be as good as the fansubbers subs. It would suck if you buy these DVDs just to find out that the subs are worse than the ones you can get for free. But since they mainly sell in the USA and Canada they should have good subs.

They are only selling region 1 DVDs, right? How about customers in Europe? we use region 2 DVDs. I know that yesasia sells DVDs without region codes but when they are selling YAE stuff now, what about the region code? And doesn't Yesasia already sell some of the dramas but with strange English subs?

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Postby ervingeoffrey » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:38 am

It is not true for France. There is a law called DADVSI who forbids any private copy even if we possess an original. (It is the only country which has the similar law)
Thus, French have no right to possess a TV-Rip. (Even if I make a rip myself)

I didn't know. However in france, TV-Serie, TV-Show are very scared to watch.... :alcoholic:
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Bref....

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Postby marie_23 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:42 am

blamvitaburst wrote:These are too expensive for me to buy, though! $100? Are they crazy? A single American TV show's season lasts about as long if not longer as these and costs half or less of that in the store. Ridiculous. I'd have trouble seeing even paying $50 for a series, especially one I hadn't already watched. This is lame and if it covers too many series then I'm not going to be watching too many kdramas anymore. Way to go on alienating your target audience. I'd probably sit through commercials if I had to to watch most of them (although avoiding commercials is one of the things I like most about asian dramas) but I would not spend $100! I've yet to rewatch a single drama that I've downloaded here, anyway. They're generally good for a single viewing but *most* will never be worth paying money to own unless they especially touch someone. Especially not a third of my rent or a couple of month's worth of groceries. LAME.
Well, maybe Netflix will pick these DVDs up so that I can put them in my que. Otherwise, goodbye to these kdramas.


I never used Netflix to rent any of my asian dramas in the past. I use www.ehit.com and www.cinflix.com they both have a pretty good selection for dramas and movies.

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Postby marie_23 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:45 am

gixo wrote::O I think it's interesting that YAE is linking to the wiki of d-a, so the potential buyers can get more information of the drama. They are directing the people to a side where they might get some stuff for free before they licence it. :whistling:

I am pretty curious about how the subs of YAE will look like. Do you guys think that they'll use some parts of fansubbers work (timing, etc)? And I hope that their English subs will be as good as the fansubbers subs. It would suck if you buy these DVDs just to find out that the subs are worse than the ones you can get for free. But since they mainly sell in the USA and Canada they should have good subs.

They are only selling region 1 DVDs, right? How about customers in Europe? we use region 2 DVDs. I know that yesasia sells DVDs without region codes but when they are selling YAE stuff now, what about the region code? And doesn't Yesasia already sell some of the dramas but with strange English subs?


You know what when I visited their YA website that crossed my mind about them possibly have used some fansubbers material for their videos. I would not be shocked if they did :glare:

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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:50 am

gixo wrote:I know that yesasia sells DVDs without region codes but when they are selling YAE stuff now, what about the region code? And doesn't Yesasia already sell some of the dramas but with strange English subs?


YesAsia sells illegal copies because the dvd without region code are forbidden.
YAE sells for region 1, I think because they don't have a global license. There is not a market of Drama in Europe.

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Postby gixo » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:59 am

firedevil wrote:
gixo wrote:I know that yesasia sells DVDs without region codes but when they are selling YAE stuff now, what about the region code? And doesn't Yesasia already sell some of the dramas but with strange English subs?


YesAsia sells illegal copies because the dvd without region code are forbidden.
YAE sells for region 1, I think because they don't have a global license. There is not a market of Drama in Europe.


hmm.. but at under "where to buy" YAE is linking to YesAsia. That's why I wondered about the other releases at Yesasia. It's so funny they want to sell their stuff at the same side as the other releases which are a lot cheaper?

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Postby CraZyaH » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:30 am

So the softsubs will still be available here, right?
What about the softsubs that were made off DVD subs or TV rips? will those remain on the site too?
hmmm... and can we still upload the latest Kdramas on d-a as long as they're not licensed yet?
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Postby ervingeoffrey » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:31 am

I have another question. Why Drama's OST are being deleted too? ( Over The Rainbow )

However " Goong " is still alive in the BT..... :blink
....he is licensed.

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Postby allredndizzy » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:33 am

khmai_kandi22 wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh JuMong is listed!

Our team D-Fansubs, worked so hard on that series and now it's going to be removed :cry:


I don't know what to say...

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Postby WroW » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:35 am

CraZyaH wrote:So the softsubs will still be available here, right?
What about the softsubs that were made off DVD subs or TV rips? will those remain on the site too?
hmmm... and can we still upload the latest Kdramas on d-a as long as they're not licensed yet?


I think sub rips from YAE licensed DVDs wont be allowed. Just like Yesasia sub rips arent allowed here.
But subs transcribed from tv rips should be ok.

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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:56 am

ervingeoffrey wrote:I have another question. Why Drama's OST are being deleted too? ( Over The Rainbow )

However " Goong " is still alive in the BT..... :blink
....he is licensed.

I think that a license concerns all the products of the franchising, thus DVD + ost even if the editors sell out only DVD generally (I speak japanimation at least but as the world of drama gets closer to it more and more)

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CraZyaH wrote:But subs transcribed from tv rips should be ok.

I agree. They are creation personal and, thus, cannot be concerned by the license.
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Postby Ruroshin » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:00 pm

Athaclena42 wrote:
ervingeoffrey wrote:OK, TV-rip is not allowed, it's cool....
Fortunately, Clubbox exist. But why Freeze are being deleted, and Jumong OST?

Freeze is not licensed by YA Entertainment.


Yes...Freeze does not seem to have been licensed...why delete it?


Freeze was on the list that they gave me, so its probably been licensed just not released yet.

CraZyaH wrote:So the softsubs will still be available here, right?
What about the softsubs that were made off DVD subs or TV rips? will those remain on the site too?


no, it has to be your own original works.

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khmai_kandi22 wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh JuMong is listed!

Our team D-Fansubs, worked so hard on that series and now it's going to be removed :cry:


I don't know what to say...

:cry: :cry: :cry:


yeah I'm really sorry guys I know you work hard on that series and its a really long one too. But we either play by the rule or we risk get taken offline.

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Postby allredndizzy » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:12 pm

yeah... I understand... it's not your fault Ruroshin... although it is really a sad news... even heart-breaking for some... :-(
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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:20 pm

Knowing the world of the japanime, that not disturbs me in fact. And I would say that it is so better. As you said it Ruroshinn, I think that it is going to help and to allow to have even more of drama to offer us.

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Postby Xi@h » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:28 pm

YAE is a newly opened company, I wonder if they truely owns the license or not.

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Postby lindtz » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:39 pm

Oh nooo!!!! What will happen to me? :cry:

I've taken a look at the list, and it includes so many kdrama, especially the newer ones. If this keeps going, I think they will also licensed the newest and kdrama. Meaning I might not be able to watch good quality kdrama with good subs anymore :alcoholic:

Problem is in my country, they only released VERY FEW kdrama in the official vcd/dvd very slow, and although the pirated ones are fasts and very up to date with the ones released in korea, but the subs are horrible :cussing:

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Postby ronaugh » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:43 pm

I feel bad for those who watch the Korean series, my wife is one of them. Luckly Japanese drama is still untouched.
Would any one like to make a bet that the subs on the DVDs are one that the hard working fan subbing on D-addicts did? You would be stupid to make a bet that they did not.

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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:48 pm

You should not be afraid, lindtz. If they make as the editors of animes, they are generally going to wait if it is a success or not.
And that also depends on the price which they are going to pay to acquire the rights.

He can arrive exceptions and are going to buy the rights before the end of the broadcasting in Korea or in Japan but they will be rare cases.

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Postby Aurafilla » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:07 pm

NNOO~~ I'll be soo depraved! Have to start downloading with CB now.. I wonder D-fansubbers have clubbox.. hehe

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Postby skachild » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:10 pm

ohh man.... i really dunno what to say... :cry: :cry:
how can this been happening so suddenly..... :x :x

Xi@h wrote:YAE is a newly opened company, I wonder if they truely owns the license or not.

how can we know that this company "YA Entertaiment" have own the license for all those drama in the list...?
Ruroshin wrote:Anybody who is in the anime world would probably be familiar with this. Fansubbers make subtitles of anime and release them to the public, once the anime is licensed in the western world the fansubbers would stop releasing them and encourage the fans to purchase the subbed licensed product.

how come anime such as bleach, naruto and alot more anime(countless.. there are so many out there) can be upload at other site but not even one of them been removed due of the licensed thing..? (naruto is one of the licensed anime right..?)

but still.. i 100% agree with ruroshin decision to removed all those drama that "licensed product of YA Entertainment" from D-A ~~ we either play by the rule or we risk get taken offline.

but some how... we still have clubbox right...!!! :wub: :wub:
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Postby kobe23 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:15 pm

Wow...just wow....this is really sad news. I never would've thought this thing was gonna happen to k-dramas. Does YA Entertainment think their sales have been suffering because of sites like D-A? Gimme a break. DA has provided several years of free advertising and promotions of korean dramas so if anything, they should be grateful.

But this won't change a thing, it'll just be a bit more difficult to obtain the RAWS. We'll just have to get our hands dirty with clubbox and other P2P alternatives. It's the fansubs that's the most important thing. I do hope fansubbers will continue their excellent work.

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Postby gryzze » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:22 pm

skachild wrote:how come anime such as bleach, naruto and alot more anime(countless.. there are so many out there) can be upload at other site but not even one of them been removed due of the licensed thing..? (naruto is one of the licensed anime right..?)

Take a look at http://www.animesuki.com/ , you won't find bleach, naruto or any other licensed anime there. Some fansub groups seem to care and drop licensed anime while others don't.

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Postby allredndizzy » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:26 pm

Aurafilla wrote:NNOO~~ I'll be soo depraved! Have to start downloading with CB now.. I wonder D-fansubbers have clubbox.. hehe


Yeah we do... D-Fansubs *Drama Fansubs*

We use Kandi's clubbox ^__^

http://clubbox.co.kr/Kandi

All our recently released hardsubs can be found there... you guys could also request for some episodes that might not be there on our thread. :wub:
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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:31 pm

gryzze wrote:
skachild wrote:how come anime such as bleach, naruto and alot more anime(countless.. there are so many out there) can be upload at other site but not even one of them been removed due of the licensed thing..? (naruto is one of the licensed anime right..?)

Take a look at http://www.animesuki.com/ , you won't find bleach, naruto or any other licensed anime there. Some fansub groups seem to care and drop licensed anime while others don't.


yes, each has the own responsibility. He accepts or he continues to subtitling at his risks and dangers.

On the other hand, a question :
You do not believe that you would not should speak there about alternate means to download raws? That could cause damage to d-addicts, no?

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Postby hhv94 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:57 pm

Hmm....if they had an option to just download from their site like other liscenced anime are doing I wouldnt mind but I'm not interested in buiyng the DVD's. Either way is a shame but I guess as long as they wont try to dub it its ok.

Edit: Oh and on to the anime like Naruto and Bleach, these titles are on going in Japan and so have not been covered by the american companies. Although you will still see some underground groups sub it, or other private sites offer monthly or special treatment. Depends realy but either way its up to the person offering it and the user.

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Postby Corona » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:32 pm

Is it just me that is actually interested in buying a high quality boxset of one of my favourite drama's? I think it's normal that you pay for the things you really like. When I really like an anime I try my best to buy it. I don't have a lot of money, but even I know we can't leech into eternity.
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Postby Néa Vanille » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:33 pm

It's not the end of the world. Just learn how to use Clubbox and you will continue to get your KDrama fix. Not much will change for me, (I've always preferred Clubbox) except that I think that a lot of the KDrama discussion will move over to soompi - and maybe so will I.

I do have to agree with the other posters that this YAE business seems kind of fishy. I wonder how they managed to buy the licenses for these dozens of dramas in such a short period of time and without anyone knowing?

Anyway, I won't give even a cent to these 'licensed' drama boxes. :lol

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Postby Enishi » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:42 pm

manga and anime groups face this problem all the time, and usually they still release licensed stuff, but only in irc or on torrent sites to avoid these issues.
so i'm not really to worried with these stuff, as long as the raw distributor keeps supplying, i'm sure ppl will still sub it.
I will sub if no one will :lol

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Postby feedmeister » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:55 pm

Let's try to keep in mind that up until now the drama community has been able to basically run free because NOBODY felt that Asian dramas were economically viable in the US.

I think the people at YA Entertainment deserves some appreciation for taking a chance on the American market. As far as I can tell, nobody here is even thinking about how much money they have put on the line in order to bring these dramas to the general public.

This means that it will be more difficult for people to get certain dramas for free but it certainly won't be impossible. American movie makers, with the vast resources they have, can't keep their films off the web. YAE's entry into the game simply means that for some dramas, people will have to go to a site more 'underground' in nature than d-addicts. But the fact is that we'll still be able to find the vast majority of dramas right here at d-addicts. (Anime fans should be very familiar with this situation where sites like animesuki serve as the community's front end with hordes of unlicensed content and a variety of other sites covering the licensed stuff.)

We still don't even know if YAE's gamble is going to pay off. A year or two from now we might find that they have gone under because they just couldn't sell enough to recoup their investment in licenses and subbing. If that happens, anyone else who is considering bringing Asian dramas to the American market are going to bury their plans indefinitely. Now THAT would be a real disaster for drama fans.

Right now dramas are coming out faster than they can be fansubbed. I'm sure that every new season, there are people here who are dissapointed because the show they want to see subbed doesn't make the cut among fansubbers. Imagine a day when all the hot shows are being covered by companies like YAE and fansubbers can focus on the less popular shows. For those that have to have everything free, don't worry, there will be sites other than d-addicts where you can get the licensed stuff. (Probably many of the same sites where you are already getting the Asian movies with region 1 releases.)

YA Entertainment's move is NOT a bad thing for drama fans. It is a sign that they believe Asian dramas may have finally "made it" in the states. I hope they are right. If they are, they'll be able to sell enough units to start bringing prices down, other companies will get in the game and this too will help control prices. Does anyone remember $40 for one or two episodes of anime on a VHS tape? Now you can find box sets of complete older series in the bargain bin for half that! I'd like to see the same for dramas someday in the future and this could be the first step in that direction. But that kind of world depends on YAE being successful. If they fail, then the day when the common American even knows that Asian dramas exist could be set back decades.

So when I read this thread which is leaning toward "Will I still be able to get my dramas free?", I'm hoping that in a few years we'll be reading about the sub/dub debate here on d-addicts because selling dramas in the US has become lucrative enough that companies are including english language tracks on their drama DVDs to try and get an edge over each other. (Not that I like dubs, it's just that they would be a sign that dramas are becoming more mainstream.)

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Postby Arion » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:07 pm

and one of the most important questions: for which countries will they be licenced? cause like in the anime biz, even when they're released in the US, doesn't mean that they are in the rest of the world :roll

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Postby firedevil » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:22 pm

only for the North America. (dvd with region 1)

feedmeister, i agree with to 100% ;)

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Postby Evintcar » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:26 pm

**** **** ****

:cussing:

i hate License

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Postby sveta » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:36 pm

no disrespect but its unfair, and i never even got a chance to d/l jumong 28 and 29! and i wanted to d/l M but was unable to find it on this site... :cry:

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Postby michellerein » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:42 pm

no disrespect but its unfair, and i never even got a chance to d/l jumong 28 and 29! and i wanted to d/l M but was unable to find it on this site... Crying

I agree, it shouldn't be like this...
poor people should also have thier rights to watch their favorite Koreandrama's
PUT BACK JUMONG.........
waaaaaaaaa :argue: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:

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Postby Xi@h » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:47 pm

So much ppl whining. You can still have clubbox!

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Postby Brandy_Blaylock » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:58 pm

gryzze wrote:
skachild wrote:how come anime such as bleach, naruto and alot more anime(countless.. there are so many out there) can be upload at other site but not even one of them been removed due of the licensed thing..? (naruto is one of the licensed anime right..?)

Take a look at http://www.animesuki.com/ , you won't find bleach, naruto or any other licensed anime there. Some fansub groups seem to care and drop licensed anime while others don't.


I have to buy a subscription in order to download any of my licensed anime. As long as I don't do anything w/ it I can keep it on my machine. I really enjoy this arrangement. The site actually has all the episodes on their server and they have someone to the raw sub (which I believe is a legit company). There's no p2p. So I was wondering if that would a type of arrangement that could be worked out here? :unsure: Then you guys would get compensated for all your hard work subbing and everyone would get the chance to enjoy their fav shows w/o the horrible subs they use for the american releases...and the prices :thumleft:

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Postby pokute » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:24 pm

This is totally mind-boggling. Why? because there are hundreds, if not thousands, of Korean video rental stores in Los Angeles, some of them doing insane business, and I have yet to see anything except pirated material available for rental in any of these stores. For that matter, there are Chinese video stores here that sell hundreds of dvd's per hour, and perhaps 2% of those are region 1, and 10% region 3's, the rest being pirated.

Since piracy seems to be the norm within the ex-patriate Korean and Chinese communities here (where video, music, Hello Kitty, and name-brand clothing are concerned), it seems ludicrous that anyone would go after D-Addicts, where litigation would not reap significant financial remuneration, and not after some of these enormous PIRATE video operations that are raking in the dough here in L.A.

Hell, it's actually very difficult to buy any genuine region 3 releases here... You can spend days digging through all the pirated material before you find a genuine release... I am not exaggerating!
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Postby myrmidon » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:31 pm

Néa Vanille wrote:I do have to agree with the other posters that this YAE business seems kind of fishy. I wonder how they managed to buy the licenses for these dozens of dramas in such a short period of time and without anyone knowing?

They managed to license so much stuff without people realizing it because so many people just leech kdramas off the internet without ever even thinking of buying it... :roll:

YAE has been releasing R1-licensed kdrama DVDs since 2004, so it's not like they just magically appeared yesterday like some of you are implying. And although I have some gripes about their releases (particularly when shows like Damo and Princess Hours are released as non-anamorphic widescreen :x), I appreciate their efforts to commercially release English-subbed kdramas in N. America, and have actually bought some of their stuff. Anyway, for those who are interested, you can read a little bit more about YAE here: http://starbulletin.com/2005/11/28/feat ... ory01.html

As for clubboxes... I wouldn't be surprised if those get targeted eventually. Which, if it happens, will probably mean that people will start to make their clubbox accounts "members only" to hide the information about what shows they have uploaded.

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Postby ryan5781 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:48 pm

this is sad i really love how you guys do the english subs, in my country jumong can be bought already in pirated version, but the translation i think sucks big time, i hear that ep1-28 were subbed properly and i think was copied here lol but from 30 onwards the subbing sucked big time already

one question though is it illegal to do translation? if not i do hope you guys continue to do translation even without uploading the raw or hardsubbed files

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Postby skymaster » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:58 pm

This is sad news, YA Entertainment wants to earn bigtime, I hope we can find torrent at http://thepiratebay.org They always claim about copy in fact most of the show was broadcasted on korean TV network and recorded by some of our friends/member in d-addicts to share with other friend, not earning but sharing..... stupid law... preventing us to share our work freely, (the fact the program was broadcasted already over the tv network, I think it's not wrong to record the show and share to some friends, even adding subs for our foriegn speaking friends..

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Postby seirin » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:09 pm

myrmidon wrote:
Néa Vanille wrote:As for clubboxes... I wouldn't be surprised if those get targeted eventually. Which, if it happens, will probably mean that people will start to make their clubbox accounts "members only" to hide the information about what shows they have uploaded.


I guess you haven't realized yet. But clubbox has a list of banned files since autumn 2005.
Many owners have been locking their boxes for over a year now.

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Postby pokute » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:12 pm

ryan5781 wrote:this is sad i really love how you guys do the english subs, in my country jumong can be bought already in pirated version, but the translation i think sucks big time, i hear that ep1-28 were subbed properly and i think was copied here lol but from 30 onwards the subbing sucked big time already

one question though is it illegal to do translation? if not i do hope you guys continue to do translation even without uploading the raw or hardsubbed files


Not only is it not illegal to do translation (though it may be illegal to distribute the translation publicly!), there is an implicit copyright associated with any translation, so if we translate a show, it means that a commercial licenser in the U.S. cannot use a significant number of phrases that are the same as those in a fansub without fear of BEING SUED BY THE FANSUBBER! This is the reason why some commercial subs of anime seem to be totally brain-damaged.

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Postby little tiger » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:58 pm

Looks like the little community of K-drama - English speaking-fans is no longer small.... It's grown to proportions of great commercial viability... We all knew this day would come. ...

It's this D-Addicts site that would be greatly affected... People would just post in the scores of other BT sites available.... It's amazing the number of sites out there carrying US serieses.. not to mention the BT China sites for those that understand Chinese....

Feel rather sad... I love D- Addicts and I don't want it to fade away... :(
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Postby deadd » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:41 pm

myrmidon wrote: Anyway, for those who are interested, you can read a little bit more about YAE here: http://starbulletin.com/2005/11/28/feat ... ory01.html


Heh...I don't know about much about YA Entertainment, but last year around February, Dae Jung Geum was shown on a small, independent channel (KMTP CH 32) here in the San Francisco Bay Area at 9:00 PM 4 nights a week sponsored by, apparently, YAE. I don't remember the company then but I clearly remember Tom Larsen, general manager of YAE, trying to sell the DVDs at the end of the show. At the time, there wasn't much to watch on TV (I hate American TV shows) and was very grateful for Dae Jung Geum being aired for free, basically. It also opened my eyes to more K-Drama. (I usually download J-Drama here on D-Addicts.) But if I knew then what YAE would have an affect on D-Addicts, I don't think I wouldn't have been as grateful.

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Postby noura » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:47 pm

Everyone is saying that there is still Clubbox to download ... what if YA Entertainment orders clubbox holders to stop upload / remove any licensed dramas like they do for American movies??!! Isn't that possible?
I'm with everyone who said that the prices are high..but if you like / intrested in the drama or the cast , I think you'll do anything to get it ! isn't that right?
I have Spain movies if you''re intreseted in buying just PM me

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Postby Moriya » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:51 pm

kinda sad... they didn't licensed Full House yet ^_^

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Postby WroW » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:53 pm

noura wrote:Everyone is saying that there is still Clubbox to download ... what if YA Entertainment orders clubbox holders to stop upload / remove any licensed dramas like they do for American movies??!! Isn't that possible?
I'm with everyone who said that the prices are high..but if you like / intrested in the drama or the cast , I think you'll do anything to get it ! isn't that right?


Licensed Dramas are forbidden on clubbox since a year or so. You can often see deleted movies and dramas on clubbox. Thats why for example creidesca started renaming the dramas because of that.

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Postby pokute » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:53 pm

I would be first in line to buy a first-class dvd set of Full House!! Especially if it was widescreen!!!!

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Postby aNToK » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:54 pm

pokute wrote:I would be first in line to buy a first-class dvd set of Full House!!


I've got one. What are you offering????
I am not obsessed. I am just very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very focussed...

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Postby strangemark » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:55 pm

huhuhuhu... damn its all over now.. there is no way i can get jumong episodes.. :(

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Postby WroW » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:58 pm

strangemark wrote:huhuhuhu... damn its all over now.. there is no way i can get jumong episodes.. :(


Just get it from CB...the fansubbers and most viewers get it from there. And I can also recommend emule...I stopped getting the files from clubbox around ep50 and now I get them from emule (its actually fast for Jumong, especially the 350MB rips)

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Postby sveta » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:02 pm

WroW wrote:
strangemark wrote:huhuhuhu... damn its all over now.. there is no way i can get jumong episodes.. :(


Just get it from CB...the fansubbers and most viewers get it from there. And I can also recommend emule...I stopped getting the files from clubbox around ep50 and now I get them from emule (its actually fast for Jumong, especially the 350MB rips)


do they carry M at emule?

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Postby myrmidon » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:06 pm

Moriya wrote:kinda sad... they didn't licensed Full House yet ^_^


The rights to distribute Full House (and all KBS dramas) in North America are apparently held by KBS America ( http://www.kbs-america.com/product/index.php ). And they have released a Full House R1 DVD set, but I don't think it's widescreen. I'm surprised they also haven't asked places like d-addicts to remove shows that they have the rights to, considering that they seem to be rather aggressive in preventing online stores from selling the Korean R3 DVDs of KBS shows to the U.S.

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Postby pokute » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:09 pm

Gah! How are the subtitles on those? Has anybody seen them? Are those the ones you have aNToK... The "Directors Cut"?

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Postby ap0stat3 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:40 pm

WroW wrote:
strangemark wrote:huhuhuhu... damn its all over now.. there is no way i can get jumong episodes.. :(


Just get it from CB...the fansubbers and most viewers get it from there. And I can also recommend emule...I stopped getting the files from clubbox around ep50 and now I get them from emule (its actually fast for Jumong, especially the 350MB rips)


ya you can get the raws at CB, but the big problem is if there's no fansub you'll end up watching a drama where you either have to "guess" what they saying, or just make up your own story as you go along watching, cuz you didn't know squat about the Korean language :cry: .. well time to learn it i guess or ask some random korean person to narrate it for you :lol


i hope this wouldn't scare some fansubbers out there to do some unlicensed drama, although some fansubbers might be leery of starting a drama only to have to drop it in the middle of the series, because it has been license and waste all that effort for nothing. :crazy:

well some good things has to come to an end, i guess :whistling:. Thank God there's still jdrama to look forward to. But I wouldn't be surprise if some subbers would go "underground" like on some anime....

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Postby leimomi » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:46 pm

:O I was surprised to hear the news, and :-( very very sad.

YAE does have good quality English sub-titles. I bought my first K-drama, Damo, from them plus other items. They also sell Region 2 and Region 3 DVDs plus minis. But they are expensive. I was somewhat frustrated because sometimes, the dramas or movies were only available on Region 2 or Region 3 DVDs. But their prices for TV dramas range from $70-$199. They have Seodongyo in 3 volumes for about $99 each. Dae Jang Geum's set was $249. I thought they had Jumong already (volume I with only 20 episodes) but when I checked again, I could not find it.

In Hawaii, K-dramas are very very popular. During my visit over the Christmas holidays, I found the major discount stores selling K-dramas like Glass Slipper, volume I, Stairway to Heaven, etc. Costco Hawaii, Wal-Mart Hawaii and Don Quioxte (formerly known as Daiei) were selling these for "volumes" for about $69. Sales tax in Hawaii is 4-5% on all products. KBS has an office there and they do sell their dramas like Winter Sonata. They sometimes have sales and it is cheaper that $69. Was it $20-30? I am not really sure since I had gotten it as a gift.

Another alternative for me has been e-bay. I got Emperor of the Sea (Haesin) that way for $35 and My Lovely Sam-Soon. But these were probably made elsewhere. You have to be careful since not all sellers speak English. I had a problem with a Region 3 DVD when the ad said All Region. PayPal is able to help, but only sometimes. The translations aren't always perfect, but it was less expensive.. Check out your neighborhood Chinatown stores. I did get Seodongyo there, but the English subtitles were truly horrible. Still, I was able to follow along, and so...

Jumong has already been erased from this site :-( but a few of fortunate few :-) who had already gotten ep 28-29 are still ul to the 40 or so who were in the midst of dl when all this happened. Jumong is selling overseas for the Chinese market, with DVDs for episodes 1-36, but without English subtitles. Sigh! It was fun while it lasted...

Anyways, thank you :cheers: fansubbers for all your hard work! It was very much appreciated :wub: by all of us.

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Postby pokute » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:01 pm

For a while I was buying things from YesAsia, but I got so many bootleg or insanely-bad-commercial-subbed discs that I was totally scared away from them. I posted a detailed description of one set of purchases here once... Maybe I can find that and link it here.

BINGO:

http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopi ... &view=next

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Postby neko05 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:08 pm

This actually kinda neat. I just got into asian drama shows and I'd love to have some on my DVD shelf.

But the prices on that site are not so great. One episode for 25 bucks? Ehhh? 16 for 100? Are they kidding? Even anime isn't that expensive.

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Postby alli_potts » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:09 pm

I wouldn't mind buying the box sets, but only if the translantions are of good quality. If they are done poorly, and you can't understand them, I wouldn't want to waste my money on them. I have bought tons of manga that I already have fansubs on my computer for, same with anime, but that is because the tranlantions are decent and because I want to support the people who create them. So I wouldn't mind paying if they are something worth paying for.

Has anyone bought from this company before? Are the translations okay? Do you buy them from the Yesasia site?


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