I join your team, saying we liked this endingdaisukides wrote:
edit: Glad I'm not the only one who liked the ending
[Discussion] Proposal Daisakusen (Operation Love)
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And with that I'm back to happy again! I was getting a little downmyunoyume wrote:I join your team, saying we liked this endingdaisukides wrote:
edit: Glad I'm not the only one who liked the ending
About the wind blowing in the first episode, I think it was Ken walking in to give his speech. It was the exact same time, you can tell by the people watching (or listening to? I can't remember) the marathon.
Oops. I'm sorry about that. I was not trying to rain on your parade. I am honestly relieved that some of you are happy with the result, and the purpose of my posts from here on out is definitely NOT to persuade you to be unhappy. If you liked the ending then we are basically on the same side of the fence, because we all shared the desire to see the obstacle between Rei and Kenzo removed, and for all intents and purposes, we got that. The only difference between us is that while we all want the same thing, some of us are content with what is there already, while others want more. Much much more.daisukides wrote: And with that I'm back to happy again! I was getting a little down
So from here on out, I will express my disappointment in spolier tags, so that those who are already pleased will not be disturbed in their enjoyment. And let me make this clear. Despite my own unhapiness with HOW the scriptwriter chose to make Rei+Kenzo happen, I take some consolation from the fact that at the very least, Rei+Kenzo happened or will happen.
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as a moderate catholic myself, i have to agree that the concluding scenes in this episode were a little far-fetched. therefore, i didn't take the "this drama is fiction" with a grain of salt. hello, my name's jerome, and i think tomohisa's cool because he studies at meiji.joeboygo wrote:
For now, let me get these random ideas out:
I think that while everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's my opinion that it should be expressed...respectfully.
RANT ON
RANT OFF
so yeah, i just hope that i didn't upset too many people. i just saw somethings that...in my opinion...could've been done differently...in my opinion...just as many people feel that the ending to ProDai could've been done differently.
RANT ON
so yeah, i just hope that i didn't upset too many people. i just saw somethings that...in my opinion...could've been done differently...in my opinion...just as many people feel that the ending to ProDai could've been done differently.
aatm..
the whole idea for the forum is to give our opinions, isnt it? I think we all respect each other's opinions even if we disagree.
and personally, they've all enlightened me and made me think about it more. which is the beautiful thing about this ending, and the drama as a whole - it makes you think and feel, you are not dictated a story and then just forget about it the next day - it makes you go deeper and try to understand more, read into it more - and more amazing is how people see different things in it. it's the beauty of free speech (and opinion, and imagination!)
and I do think you made me think about things...
the whole idea for the forum is to give our opinions, isnt it? I think we all respect each other's opinions even if we disagree.
and personally, they've all enlightened me and made me think about it more. which is the beautiful thing about this ending, and the drama as a whole - it makes you think and feel, you are not dictated a story and then just forget about it the next day - it makes you go deeper and try to understand more, read into it more - and more amazing is how people see different things in it. it's the beauty of free speech (and opinion, and imagination!)
and I do think you made me think about things...
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hadmish...
totally sorry. after i posted, i left for about a minute, then came back to my senses, tried to login to edit my comment, but it wouldn't let me edit it. and for fear of offending on multiple levels by double posting, i just waited.
i guess i personally from my own experiences in life are a little sensitive to comments which could be perceived as prejudiced in any way, shape, or form. and when i saw your comment, i guess i got a little carried away. i feel like that one person who snapped at joeboygo a while back towards the beginning....ugh. totally sorry.
anways, back on track. i can't comment too much on what i don't understand just as of yet, so until i watch it again with the subs, i won't participate in any of the informed conversation.
again, my apologies.
til the subs are out...
aatm
totally sorry. after i posted, i left for about a minute, then came back to my senses, tried to login to edit my comment, but it wouldn't let me edit it. and for fear of offending on multiple levels by double posting, i just waited.
i guess i personally from my own experiences in life are a little sensitive to comments which could be perceived as prejudiced in any way, shape, or form. and when i saw your comment, i guess i got a little carried away. i feel like that one person who snapped at joeboygo a while back towards the beginning....ugh. totally sorry.
anways, back on track. i can't comment too much on what i don't understand just as of yet, so until i watch it again with the subs, i won't participate in any of the informed conversation.
again, my apologies.
til the subs are out...
aatm
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aatm,
I know you said you won't long on....but for when you do,
I dont know how good your Japanese is, but as for your comment what I'd like to say is -I think it sounds better in Japanese...
それは、こっちのセリフだよ!
meaning - that's my line...I should be the one apologizing! I made a stupid unrelated comment.....didn't mean to offend anyone, I guess its my distorted sense of humor!
Im the first to admit it was wrong. and on the contrary, I'm glad you commented on it. especially, since I dont really feel that way about Japan or Japanese people and things. after all, I'm the one who has chosen to live here!
so, sorry everyone.....and esp aatm, who somehow now thinks he should be apologizing!
I know you said you won't long on....but for when you do,
I dont know how good your Japanese is, but as for your comment what I'd like to say is -I think it sounds better in Japanese...
それは、こっちのセリフだよ!
meaning - that's my line...I should be the one apologizing! I made a stupid unrelated comment.....didn't mean to offend anyone, I guess its my distorted sense of humor!
Im the first to admit it was wrong. and on the contrary, I'm glad you commented on it. especially, since I dont really feel that way about Japan or Japanese people and things. after all, I'm the one who has chosen to live here!
so, sorry everyone.....and esp aatm, who somehow now thinks he should be apologizing!
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Me being 1/2 Japanese and living in Japan for 8 years and also being bilingual, I really can't say that saying "it's japan. we can't expect it to make sense" is offensive, since I as a Japanese feel the same way at times. and i know that my mom(she's full japanese) would probably have to agree at times as well. It's a completely different culture, it's ok for it to not make sense, sometimes the s**t doesn't make sense to me.hadmish wrote:aatm,
I know you said you won't long on....but for when you do,
I dont know how good your Japanese is, but as for your comment what I'd like to say is -I think it sounds better in Japanese...
それは、こっちのセリフだよ!
meaning - that's my line...I should be the one apologizing! I made a stupid unrelated comment.....didn't mean to offend anyone, I guess its my distorted sense of humor!
Im the first to admit it was wrong. and on the contrary, I'm glad you commented on it. especially, since I dont really feel that way about Japan or Japanese people and things. after all, I'm the one who has chosen to live here!
so, sorry everyone.....and esp aatm, who somehow now thinks he should be apologizing!
Teyuuka maji dondake! Tatta doramano endingude konnani okoranakutte iinoni
after watching it, i felt they could do more on the other chars in the show as well. maybe a 2hr special would be nice to tie loose things up. just like any other popular dramas. the ending in my opinion is not too bad but theres just one thing which bothers me.
is it really right for the scriptwriters to allow the bride or groom to revoke the marriage vows so soon??
I mean, even if the certificate of marriage can be handed at a later time, but is it right to do that?
well for me i felt its not very right. if really want to change or annul the marriage, wouldnt it be better if it happend BEFORE the solemnisation??
just my 2 cents.
is it really right for the scriptwriters to allow the bride or groom to revoke the marriage vows so soon??
I mean, even if the certificate of marriage can be handed at a later time, but is it right to do that?
well for me i felt its not very right. if really want to change or annul the marriage, wouldnt it be better if it happend BEFORE the solemnisation??
just my 2 cents.
sounds like a good one
anyone care to review http://asiandrama.info/home/J-Dorama/Pr ... -2007.html ?
anyone care to review http://asiandrama.info/home/J-Dorama/Pr ... -2007.html ?
It took me some time to digest the ending but I am at peace now
Ken's speech woke everyone up from the dream land that they were in. Tada realized that he stepped on Ken's toes several times and didn't realized what he had done. Rei realized that all this time Ken was reaching out to her in Ken's special way but she was blinded by the "childhood friendship"
[I was in one of those type of situations before and it is not fun. I grew up with a girl since we were 4 years old. As we became teenagers and young adults I wanted our friendship to go deeper but she was afraid that it might destroy our friendship and what eventually happened after highshool we started drifting apart and now I haven't seen her for over 12 years.]
I will admit that I was expecting a lot more of an ending then what was given to us but after I thought about it. I can accept that ending. I wasn't expecting a kissing, hugging ending but I was expecting more of a concrete finish. At least see them together walking off into the sunset......(not necessarly going to get married) but becoming a couple.
Ken's speech woke everyone up from the dream land that they were in. Tada realized that he stepped on Ken's toes several times and didn't realized what he had done. Rei realized that all this time Ken was reaching out to her in Ken's special way but she was blinded by the "childhood friendship"
[I was in one of those type of situations before and it is not fun. I grew up with a girl since we were 4 years old. As we became teenagers and young adults I wanted our friendship to go deeper but she was afraid that it might destroy our friendship and what eventually happened after highshool we started drifting apart and now I haven't seen her for over 12 years.]
I will admit that I was expecting a lot more of an ending then what was given to us but after I thought about it. I can accept that ending. I wasn't expecting a kissing, hugging ending but I was expecting more of a concrete finish. At least see them together walking off into the sunset......(not necessarly going to get married) but becoming a couple.
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btw...
i don't have the episode with me right now.. but i've seen this brought up a couple of times (though i don't profess to have read every single post in the last 10 pages)... and i do believe, if i remember correctly, that he said
instead of
that makes a difference to how the speech was viewed, i think.
i'll have to review it again later and might have to reneg on this statement. but i think i'm remembering it right. lol.
(the talk of wedding speeches makes me want to watch the friends episode when rachel had to give a speech in barry's wedding)
i don't have the episode with me right now.. but i've seen this brought up a couple of times (though i don't profess to have read every single post in the last 10 pages)... and i do believe, if i remember correctly, that he said
i'll have to review it again later and might have to reneg on this statement. but i think i'm remembering it right. lol.
(the talk of wedding speeches makes me want to watch the friends episode when rachel had to give a speech in barry's wedding)
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the ending reeked...my proof...
AND the people who liked it
give me my ten weeks back!!!
and as for Kurosagi comparisons...
thats it. very dissapointing. and im dissapointed in people who say that japanese accept endings like this. NO< they don't. Crappy endings are crappy endings, and cop-outs and cop-outs. My wife is japanese and cop out endings (such as this one) don't get a thumbs up.
and as for Kurosagi comparisons...
well.. I think the ending was very good... cuz.. I don't think it would have made it better if we could see:
Ken: ''I love you''
Rei: '' I love you toooo''
Ken: ''now let's make little babies'' :D:D
okY... I know everybody wanted to see a happy ending etc... but it would have been cheap and cheesy...
I don't know...
I think It ended just at the right time...
Ken: ''I love you''
Rei: '' I love you toooo''
Ken: ''now let's make little babies'' :D:D
okY... I know everybody wanted to see a happy ending etc... but it would have been cheap and cheesy...
I don't know...
I think It ended just at the right time...
hahahahahaha the best part "now let's make little babies" ahhahahahaha i can't stop laughing....xDcrescent wrote:well.. I think the ending was very good... cuz.. I don't think it would have made it better if we could see:
Ken: ''I love you''
Rei: '' I love you toooo''
Ken: ''now let's make little babies'' :D:D
okY... I know everybody wanted to see a happy ending etc... but it would have been cheap and cheesy...
I don't know...
I think It ended just at the right time...
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huehue I just excited dont take it seriously dude... you must be happy everytime.. even I'm so sad right now.. I got some kind situation like iwase kenjoeboygo wrote:There's one loose end I couldn't tie up and I'm hoping you folks could help me out.@lRememberMel
Stop that please. Lunargen IS hauling ass trying to get the subs out pronto, she couldn't even take a break to chat with us here. She does not need additional prompting.
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Yeesh. I've noticed a lot of hostility on this board from both sides of the whole "I liked it" and "I hated it" rift. Why don't we calm down a bit? Discussing it is fine. Believing in different things is also fine. However, putting forth your opinion and calling it fact is not fine.
If you liked it, great, but there's no reason to be snarky when countering the posts of those who didn't. If you absolutely hated it, that's great too, but there's little to no reason to berate people on the forums who did. All I'm asking is that we keep some semblance of respect toward each other.
This post is not targeted at any one individual. It is entirely based on the trends and progression I've seen over the last week or so.
If you liked it, great, but there's no reason to be snarky when countering the posts of those who didn't. If you absolutely hated it, that's great too, but there's little to no reason to berate people on the forums who did. All I'm asking is that we keep some semblance of respect toward each other.
This post is not targeted at any one individual. It is entirely based on the trends and progression I've seen over the last week or so.
About Ken's speech:
I agree with what you are trying to say...It's a very nice speech in which he's just trying to confess the love he had for Rei. Even though, it's just a confession, it doesn't show that he's selfish.He's just trying to confess the love and in the end, the most important thing is for Rei to be happy and that is sufficient for Ken. =)
Graymouse wrote:It took me some time to digest the ending but I am at peace now
Ken's speech woke everyone up from the dream land that they were in. Tada realized that he stepped on Ken's toes several times and didn't realized what he had done. Rei realized that all this time Ken was reaching out to her in Ken's special way but she was blinded by the "childhood friendship"
[I was in one of those type of situations before and it is not fun. I grew up with a girl since we were 4 years old. As we became teenagers and young adults I wanted our friendship to go deeper but she was afraid that it might destroy our friendship and what eventually happened after highshool we started drifting apart and now I haven't seen her for over 12 years.]
I will admit that I was expecting a lot more of an ending then what was given to us but after I thought about it. I can accept that ending. I wasn't expecting a kissing, hugging ending but I was expecting more of a concrete finish. At least see them together walking off into the sunset......(not necessarly going to get married) but becoming a couple.
yeah me too....today i saw the epi 10!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I feel so bad, not guilty but a little bad ... poor kenzou...I hate him at first, because he was so selfish.... but I love the way Tada-san is...he's so decided....yaaa and he's so handsome tooo >.<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love him since 1 rittoru no namida yayyyyyy but Pi's the best for me xD(?)
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i watched ep 11 live and i didnt understand much but i still got sad throughout the show. i probably wont be able to watch it subbed until i get back to america in like a month... unles someone knows where i can watch it streaming...kashigal wrote:About Ken's speech:I agree with what you are trying to say...It's a very nice speech in which he's just trying to confess the love he had for Rei. Even though, it's just a confession, it doesn't show that he's selfish.He's just trying to confess the love and in the end, the most important thing is for Rei to be happy and that is sufficient for Ken. =)
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yep i agree on you they havent yet signed the contact that they are married I think they are on their way when Tada stop and asked Rei.
Anyway its really a great drama it really remind me of my highschool days.
Anyway its really a great drama it really remind me of my highschool days.
sakurachan wrote:spoz wrote:but isnt Rei already married to Tada? Because the ceremony is already finished or I am wrong.
i cried too when the spotlight was shifted to Rei. When she eventually realized everything, Those where the great moments of episode 11
belleza wrote:Thoughts on the ending:
I cried like a little girl, a happy little girl. It's been a lot of fun joining up in this discussion. I hope to see you in other threads; maybe we'll agree even!
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I agree with you. Rei's inner-monologue was to me a the biggest surprise in the episode. It was also the most touching part of the episode to me too.spoz wrote:i cried too when the spotlight was shifted to Rei. When she eventually realized everything, Those where the great moments of episode 11
I tip my hat to Nagasawa Masami for her acting here. For her to pull off that scene, as a character who was being overwhelmed by sudden bubbling of 14 years of internal emotions but yet still maintained the proper composure on the outside, so both passionate yet composed; that was simply awesome.
Paling in comparison, Yamashita's crying didn't seem as natural or genuine. *ducking for covers from YamaPi's hordes of fans*
I also agree in you here. Nagasawa Masami showed great acting here all she really expressed the emotion of her character. Yamashita Tomohisa samewhat lacks on the dramatic scene though has done great on other aspecs.
As a whole a really really like this drama.
As a whole a really really like this drama.
sakurachan wrote:I agree with you. Rei's inner-monologue was to me a the biggest surprise in the episode. It was also the most touching part of the episode to me too.spoz wrote:i cried too when the spotlight was shifted to Rei. When she eventually realized everything, Those where the great moments of episode 11
I tip my hat to Nagasawa Masami for her acting here. For her to pull off that scene, as a character who was being overwhelmed by sudden bubbling of 14 years of internal emotions but yet still maintained the proper composure on the outside, so both passionate yet composed; that was simply awesome.
Paling in comparison, Yamashita's crying didn't seem as natural or genuine. *ducking for covers from YamaPi's hordes of fans*
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i've just finished watching the finale. it was good the ending, we all understand what will happen up next, no need to make a crying-hugging-kissing scene. and i feel so relieved that Tada would let Rei go, he's a good guy ! so what do you guys ask for more ? isn't it a fairy tale with happy ending ?
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it didn't end, it said HERES THE SITUATION, go write fan fiction and make 100 assumptions on what actually happened. Considering they had 11 freaking hours to make a story, you can't use 5 minutes to wrap things up VISUALLY?chickenruns wrote:i've just finished watching the finale. it was good the ending, we all understand what will happen up next, no need to make a crying-hugging-kissing scene. and i feel so relieved that Tada would let Rei go, he's a good guy ! so what do you guys ask for more ? isn't it a fairy tale with happy ending ?
I TOTALLY agree with nikochanr3, the ending was left hanging for fan fic/assumption. For all we know @ the end he might have been hearing voices after pushing that car under the heat of the sun..... it would have been nice if we see them together visually at the end as nikochanr3 stated, they don't even have to kiss or hug just together.nikochanr3 wrote:it didn't end, it said HERES THE SITUATION, go write fan fiction and make 100 assumptions on what actually happened. Considering they had 11 freaking hours to make a story, you can't use 5 minutes to wrap things up VISUALLY?chickenruns wrote:i've just finished watching the finale. it was good the ending, we all understand what will happen up next, no need to make a crying-hugging-kissing scene. and i feel so relieved that Tada would let Rei go, he's a good guy ! so what do you guys ask for more ? isn't it a fairy tale with happy ending ?
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Um I don't know why many people are saying the ending was unclear.. IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR CUT FROM WHAT I SAW. It did end but they left out a scene.. They better not come out with some stupid special now..
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it wasnt unclear. what people are saying is "after the ending, the following 9 things happened, or while rei made the speech, this is the 300 things she was thinking". its all extrapolated, it wasnt shown. tv is a visual medium, things are expected to happen ON SCREENhardy har har wrote:Um I don't know why many people are saying the ending was unclear.. IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR CUT FROM WHAT I SAW.
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like the ending its great actually.. they belong to be together
what u meant by it wasnt shown? you mean the ending when rei called kenzo?? do you want to know exactly what happen after that? huehue go ask jonny's but from that story tells that they will be together..
this story shows that dont get married with someone you not really love to.. , go get the one that you really love most.. if HE/SHE love you as well.. if he/she doesnt love you, then go get someone else but dont simply get married, unless you getting older..
its all extrapolated, it wasnt shown. tv is a visual medium, things are expected to happen ON SCREEN
what u meant by it wasnt shown? you mean the ending when rei called kenzo?? do you want to know exactly what happen after that? huehue go ask jonny's but from that story tells that they will be together..
this story shows that dont get married with someone you not really love to.. , go get the one that you really love most.. if HE/SHE love you as well.. if he/she doesnt love you, then go get someone else but dont simply get married, unless you getting older..
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I agree with Mavurick's interpretation of the speech. Ken at that point needed release, and really Rei had become the main hero of Episode 11. By the end of Episode 10, the story had set quietly up things so that the roles would be reversed. Rei became the "guy" in the story, and Ken the suffering object of her affection.
BTW, Lunargen thank you for the subtitles. Ken's speech read beautifully.
BTW, Lunargen thank you for the subtitles. Ken's speech read beautifully.
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Maybe I need to read the english sub. because i got a different feeling from the chinese sub.Mavurik wrote:
If he truely wanted to congratulate them, he would have sticked with the original speech and not add anything to it. I think the intention of his confession/speech was to (i am paraphrasing from another poster) wake everyone up from this fairy tale wedding. Make everyone see that the bride and the groom are not for each other. Even Rei said Ken never gives up, even 'til the end.Mavurik wrote:
AgreeMavurik wrote:
Wait so you think Rei knew Ken would say something like that and that's why she asked him to speak. As if it was her last chance to get Ken to confess?Mavurik wrote:
It was absolutely for Rei because she doesn't love Tada like she loves Ken. Again, my definition of selfishness in this case is bearing the pain yourself and not let anyone get hurt. He made a speech in front of everyone, that only because of his own stupidity, he didn't get the girl. As if the reason the groom and the bride are marrying is because of some cosmic glitch. Tada is a wonderful guy. Why not make a speech about him and say how happy Rei would be with him. Instead, we hear about Ken's regrets.Mavurik wrote:
His speech really rock the boat. Why would you said something like that in someone else's ceremony? If he really had resolved the fact that Rei is marrying Tada, he shouldn't have impose a rocky start for the new couple. The idea was, he was still hoping that Rei could finally understand him.
Again, I support Ken. I just see the act of saying something like that to be unfair to the groom. But ken needed to do what he needed to do because we all know Rei doesn't love Tada. And if Ken needs to be a bit selfish and Tada needs to get hurt, so be it.
I think someone said that it was a very powerful speech because it came from someone who really loves her. I agree with that. I only wish a man would be sensitive enough to pick up every thing about me, from the greatest strengths to the worst shortcomings. He had made his last stance. He told her his feelings as plain as it could be. Now, if she still wants to marry Tada after that speech, then he would support her always. That was what the last part was about. He had finished talking about his regrets and then asked the audience to bear with him a little bit more. He turned to them and said "be happy". He had given it his all, and if it didn't work. Then might as well wish your best friend happiness.Mavurik wrote:
And something else that I notice:
Yeah, at some point, I think you had to kinda go with the show on its terms. Maybe time loops didn't all make sense. Maybe Ken's reticence seemed overtly passive. Maybe Rei is kinda selfish a b!tch. Maybe we never got a satisfying conclusion with the marathon runner. But the show just kinda pulled along with us away from any pretense at objectivity straight and deep into Ken's emotional experience. The ending itself was a reflection of that too.Concept (and execution) of the show is definitely something I've never seen before in a J-drama.
Normally I would agree, though I think after watching many Korean melodramas, I've gotten used to the groom being the most unlucky guy of all.I just see the act of saying something like that to be unfair to the groom.
I think, the way ProDai is written, the emotional meaning of the wedding, or at least our perception of it, had sufficiently been changed. The effect of all that timeslipping tore out whatever faith we could invest in Rei and Tada's "forever and ever" pacts. Not whether their love was a sham or not a shame, but that Rei had come about the whole thing all wrong. She had come about her whole love life all wrong.
The Soul Patch Fairy tweaked the wedding so that it would be an intervention , and he had prepared Ken for it all along without telling him his end goal. Ken spoke for Rei; but the Soul Patch Fairy had also pushed Ken for Rei too. It was a hostile act to prevent her from making the biggest mistake of her life. Had he tried earlier, maybe she still couldn't see it until the day of her wedding. When her decision would have real finality.
If you haven't yet, try out the movie Ima Ai ni Yukimasu. It's a meditation on exactly that. Both ProDai and Ima are -- really, really roughly speaking -- about 2nd chances and unsaid things and secrets, but Ima comes from a very, very different sensibility about love.I agree with that. I only wish a man would be sensitive enough to pick up every thing about me, from the greatest strengths to the worst shortcomings.
Yes,Ima, Ai ni Yukimasu is the best jmovie i've ever seen. A romantically sad movie with a very unexpected twist.belleza wrote:If you haven't yet, try out the movie Ima Ai ni Yukimasu. It's a meditation on exactly that. Both ProDai and Ima are -- really, really roughly speaking -- about 2nd chances and unsaid things and secrets, but Ima comes from a very, very different sensibility about love.
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