[Discussion] Rondo
[Discussion] Rondo
Man, was that a good episode, or what?! The production values and SFX are top notch, as good as or better than some feature films! Yutaka Takenouchi delivers the goods once again. He doesn't even have to say anything and he's still cool! Choi Ji woo's character is innocent and funny, yet strong-willed. I like how she stood up to that Korean mafia guy. In terms of "lots of stuff happening in a first episode," this one takes the cake. I'm still trying to put it all together.
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It looks good, except that I was really surprised when she asked to take care of Justice (the dog) on a rotation basis. That just seemed bizarre.
So far I like this international cast, it seems there's a truly international criminal network going on involving the Japanese, Korean, and even some Chinese gangs (at least I thought I heard Chinese being spoken in the opening scene).
It reminds me of the globalizing aspect of the mob scene in New York City, although we're probably peculiar in having so many nationalities... (The latest new comers are Albanians according to the NY Times.)
So far I like this international cast, it seems there's a truly international criminal network going on involving the Japanese, Korean, and even some Chinese gangs (at least I thought I heard Chinese being spoken in the opening scene).
It reminds me of the globalizing aspect of the mob scene in New York City, although we're probably peculiar in having so many nationalities... (The latest new comers are Albanians according to the NY Times.)
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Takenouchi Yutaka's father was killed by organized crime (called 神狗 Shinku or Divine Dog, sounded like Shake in English to me). After he grows up he beceomes an undercover police officer to bring justice to those who killed his father. Working first as the driver to the daughter of the crime boss, he gets transferred as an aide to the son of the crime boss.
Choi Ji Woo is the heroine whose father left for Japan and mysteriously disappeared. She now arrives in Japan with her sickly sister to look for their father. They decide to open a restaurant and hopes that it becomes famous so that their father hears about them. Unfortunately their shop is in a territory controlled by Shin Hyun Joon one of 神狗 (I'm going with Shake for now)'s top bosses.
Finally 神狗 or Shake is an international criminal organization in Asia headed by the Kazama family. They have a front company called Kazama Holdings, but they are suspected of racketeering, gambling, drugs, murder and apparently the worst crime of all, counterfeiting. The boss is hoping that his son Hayami Mokomichi will enter politics.
Choi Ji Woo is the heroine whose father left for Japan and mysteriously disappeared. She now arrives in Japan with her sickly sister to look for their father. They decide to open a restaurant and hopes that it becomes famous so that their father hears about them. Unfortunately their shop is in a territory controlled by Shin Hyun Joon one of 神狗 (I'm going with Shake for now)'s top bosses.
Finally 神狗 or Shake is an international criminal organization in Asia headed by the Kazama family. They have a front company called Kazama Holdings, but they are suspected of racketeering, gambling, drugs, murder and apparently the worst crime of all, counterfeiting. The boss is hoping that his son Hayami Mokomichi will enter politics.
An excellent first episode. Characters were pretty well shelved out, pace and cinematography of the episode was excellent. Was really amused by the subtle Infernal Affairs influences with the checking of all the keitais and the comment that Shinku might have an undercover agent in the police force too at the police meeting.
Only small worry is that this drama might suffer from the same problem that plagues a lot of similar big scale/ big name actos productions... storyline got too wayward that the audience lost any empathy for the characters.
Only small worry is that this drama might suffer from the same problem that plagues a lot of similar big scale/ big name actos productions... storyline got too wayward that the audience lost any empathy for the characters.
wow! i loved this episode! at first i wasn't too excited about all of the explosions, gun fights, and chases, but not too far into the episode it really began to develop an interesting human story... at the expense of losing yet another original idea for a novel, but i'm still interested in a love story between two people who don't understand each other's words. at any rate, having seen the opening episodes of this season's dramas, this and byakuyakou look the most promising.
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Just saw the 1st episode(courtesy of Aoi Fansubs, thanks guys!). Is that really 1hr30min, it didn't feel like it coz it was a very well-done episode. Although the effects are a bit confusing sometimes, but wow, a lot of editing must have been put into this episode. I was just amazed. The action, drama, romance and comedy are blended in well together. And the language barrier was carried out effectively...it's obvious that they can't understand each other, but their chemistry speaks a thousand words like there's no barrier at all. CJW looks really good in this drama, I would take it even farther and say she looks her best in this one compared to all her other dramas that Ive seen her in--physically. What can I say about Yutaka-san when he's the kind of actor who steals the spotlight even when his role is just the supporting one. And to quote the topic starter:
It's nice to see that CJW isn't being fought over by two men...(well, let's hope it doesn't go the Korean way--no melodramatic crying and the game of tug-of-war--that'll be ridiculous. But it would make sense, that is, if the yakuza guy takes an inkling interest on her, it is because of a probable connection between her father's disappearance and the yakuza's organization.
I didnt know Hayami Mokomichi and that girl from H2 were in it. So many familiar faces ...plus the Korean actors too...It's funny that they casted Shin Hyun Joon(the korean yakuza who also acted with Choi JI woo from STH as the supporting actor). If you havent watched it, u can look at the banner of STH posted at the top from yesasia, and he's the guy at the right picture(unless the Kim sam soon one is there). And CJW's "sister" in Beautiful days(kdrama) also acts as her sis in this drama.TG3 wrote:Yutaka Takenouchi delivers the goods once again
It's nice to see that CJW isn't being fought over by two men...(well, let's hope it doesn't go the Korean way--no melodramatic crying and the game of tug-of-war--that'll be ridiculous. But it would make sense, that is, if the yakuza guy takes an inkling interest on her, it is because of a probable connection between her father's disappearance and the yakuza's organization.
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Just finished watching courtesy of the Aoi fansubs that was posted here in DA...what an awesome first episode! The production quality is so top-notch... Like nothing I've seen before from any other japanese tv dramas. It has a very theatrical presentation-feel to it, yet paced slow enough for a series drama. I've heard a lot about Choi Ji-woo but this is the first time I've actually ever seen her act in any drama (korean or japanese) and wow, she's great! Kimura Yoshino is in it too. I think this will be my drama to watch for the start of 2k6. Anyone know how many episodes this series is planned to be?
Wow,
That was good. I could kind of follow the story without the sub. It does have Internal Affairs kind of influence, but funny enough, I think it's better than Internal Affairs. Frankly, this show is creating the type of dramatic tenstion that Internal Affairs should have had.
I could really feel a sense of danger when the lead character is working under cover.
Love the all star cast.
That was good. I could kind of follow the story without the sub. It does have Internal Affairs kind of influence, but funny enough, I think it's better than Internal Affairs. Frankly, this show is creating the type of dramatic tenstion that Internal Affairs should have had.
I could really feel a sense of danger when the lead character is working under cover.
Love the all star cast.
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Yeah, I was thinking of Infernal Affairs also. It's kinda hard to know cuz they haven't really shown that much on the police side yet. Only the lead star and the main cop...be funny if it was the cop..haha..but that defeats the whole storyline.
auroragb wrote:Like everyone, I think it definitely has a strong Infernal Affairs influence.
Who do you guys think is the mob mole in the police dept?
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There was a pretty good Russian movie about *three* people who don't understand each other's language. 'course, one needs to speak either Finnish, Russian, or Saami to get the jokesgoygakgoy wrote:I don't really like the mafia drama that much, but I love the love drama and I guess ya need the mafia drama in order to make the love drama good. I really like this drama...I've been waiting for a love story between two ppl who can't speak the same langauge.
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I saw the first 2 two episodes: It is really awsome!! It reminds me movie Infenal Affairs, Each episode is really like a movie!! I love this show!
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what is this russian movie?
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Wolfsbane68 wrote: There was a pretty good Russian movie about *three* people who don't understand each other's language. 'course, one needs to speak either Finnish, Russian, or Saami to get the jokes
what is this russian movie?
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"Kukushka". Pretty high user ratings at imdb too. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308476/reiayanami451 wrote:I saw the first 2 two episodes: It is really awsome!! It reminds me movie Infenal Affairs, Each episode is really like a movie!! I love this show!
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Wolfsbane68 wrote: There was a pretty good Russian movie about *three* people who don't understand each other's language. 'course, one needs to speak either Finnish, Russian, or Saami to get the jokes
what is this russian movie?
reiayanami451, with 6 episodes to go, there should be plenty of twists left. Unless the script writers drop the ball. Would be real shame, the first 4 were really outstanding.
It's pronounced Shenku.Prince of Moles wrote:Takenouchi Yutaka's father was killed by organized crime (called ?? Shinku or Divine Dog, sounded like Shake in English to me). After he grows up he beceomes an undercover police officer to bring justice to those who killed his father. Working first as the driver to the daughter of the crime boss, he gets transferred as an aide to the son of the crime boss.
Choi Ji Woo is the heroine whose father left for Japan and mysteriously disappeared. She now arrives in Japan with her sickly sister to look for their father. They decide to open a restaurant and hopes that it becomes famous so that their father hears about them. Unfortunately their shop is in a territory controlled by Shin Hyun Joon one of ?? (I'm going with Shake for now)'s top bosses.
Finally ?? or Shake is an international criminal organization in Asia headed by the Kazama family. They have a front company called Kazama Holdings, but they are suspected of racketeering, gambling, drugs, murder and apparently the worst crime of all, counterfeiting. The boss is hoping that his son Hayami Mokomichi will enter politics.
It's such a great drama series. It started off kinda slow, but now I catch myself waiting all week for the newest episodes. Episode 5 does not fail to deliver.
I thought the same too! The guy who owns a dog (Justice ^_^) reminded me of Tony Leung's character in Infernal Affairs, but with a different story with the Japanese and Korean gangsters I think.goygakgoy wrote:Yeah, I was thinking of Infernal Affairs also. It's kinda hard to know cuz they haven't really shown that much on the police side yet. Only the lead star and the main cop...be funny if it was the cop..haha..but that defeats the whole storyline.
auroragb wrote:Like everyone, I think it definitely has a strong Infernal Affairs influence.
Who do you guys think is the mob mole in the police dept?
It's all right
I had high expectations for this dorama, but I'm a little disappointed.
The dialogue sequence reminds me a lot of the previous Friends 2002. I guess they always have that problem when the two lead actors speak different languages. It's a bit preposterous for them to be speaking past each other, supposedly not able to understand each other, then comprehends completely?!?
The dialogue sequence reminds me a lot of the previous Friends 2002. I guess they always have that problem when the two lead actors speak different languages. It's a bit preposterous for them to be speaking past each other, supposedly not able to understand each other, then comprehends completely?!?
[Discussions] Rondo
ok im sorry if someone already has this up.. i searched and didnt find any..
but anyway this has got to be the #1 drama for this season!!!
Rondo is like a very long but extremely interesting movie!
just got done watching ep3 (asobou)
THANK YOU Asobou for all of your hard work!! Keep it up , your'e doin great!
hey wait im kinda new here so i dont know if i can post spoilers or not.. i dont even know how to.. oops nm i see the tag..
do i have to since this is a discussions.. oh yeah disclaimer
DISCLAIMER: warning may contain spoilers..
ok there
ep3:
Asobou.. bring on ep4!!!!
but anyway this has got to be the #1 drama for this season!!!
Rondo is like a very long but extremely interesting movie!
just got done watching ep3 (asobou)
THANK YOU Asobou for all of your hard work!! Keep it up , your'e doin great!
hey wait im kinda new here so i dont know if i can post spoilers or not.. i dont even know how to.. oops nm i see the tag..
do i have to since this is a discussions.. oh yeah disclaimer
DISCLAIMER: warning may contain spoilers..
ok there
ep3:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338564/ is the Hong Kong drama.. Back when Hong Kong movies were actually good..
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407887/ The Departed. Remake of Infernal Affiars starring Leo Dicaprio, Matt Damon, Jack Nicolson, and Mark Wahlberg.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407887/ The Departed. Remake of Infernal Affiars starring Leo Dicaprio, Matt Damon, Jack Nicolson, and Mark Wahlberg.
tikleabubble wrote:what is this infernal affairs everyone is talking about? Is it an HK drama? sounds familiar but I can't quite place it.
i watched the first episode and stop. after 2 weeks i started watching again.i stop watching at first because i thought it is similar to infernal affair. i watched it again and find rondo is not bad at all. it's interesting to see after a long drought of detective and darker series finally something like this is appear. heh i guess i'm used to watching a more livelier and happy highschool kids . although there's a few things i don't get it. like the shinku organization,it so blurry and i wish they provide more details like how this shinku guy from korea suddenly got involved with the yakuza. and why the korean guy keep bothering yuna. i really don't see why he should be bother with her. does she have any connection? sorry i watch only until episode 3 so i don't understand a few thing
- Shinku IS yakuza, as in organized crime, everything from high tech to money launderying to lawyers to corporations down to loan sharks beating the crap out of peoplemilleu87 wrote:i watched the first episode and stop. after 2 weeks i started watching again.i stop watching at first because i thought it is similar to infernal affair. i watched it again and find rondo is not bad at all. it's interesting to see after a long drought of detective and darker series finally something like this is appear. heh i guess i'm used to watching a more livelier and happy highschool kids . although there's a few things i don't get it. like the shinku organization,it so blurry and i wish they provide more details like how this shinku guy from korea suddenly got involved with the yakuza. and why the korean guy keep bothering yuna. i really don't see why he should be bother with her. does she have any connection? sorry i watch only until episode 3 so i don't understand a few thing
- Kim Young Jae was mentioned near the end of Ep. 1 Ryujiro hired him to handle stuff Japan-side because he wants to:
-> look at the big picture himself
-> keep Ryugo clean
- Kim Young Jae is bothering Yuna because he:
-> obviously hasn't a clue about women
-> he's used to getting obedient women
-> he wants this one too but can't seem to get her
Because:
- The Korean gangster, Kim Young Jae, is attracted to Yuna
- Yuna is attracted to Shou, Shou is attracted to Yuna
- Miss. Kazama is attracted to Shou
Thus:
- Kim Young Jae hates Shou
- Miss Kazama hates Yuna
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Something I noticed in ep 5. It might be a bit spoilerish, so watch out.
And something I noticed in the preview for ep 8 made the entire series more interesting, although there is still the possibility that it'll screw things up. I'd say more, but I don't want to spoil it.
I liked the show before, but now I really like the show.
I liked the show before, but now I really like the show.
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I concur. I sincerely hope the series doesn't have a rather lacklustre finale, that's just what we don't need.Childhoodless wrote:And something I noticed in the preview for ep 8 made the entire series more interesting, although there is still the possibility that it'll screw things up. I'd say more, but I don't want to spoil it.
Episode 6-7 Spoilers below
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is this discussion thread moving with RAWs releases or e-subbed asobou! releases? coz I'm not sure if I'm safe when clicking hide button (can you add for example spoiler after ep 5 before spoiler tags?)
anyway, just watched ep 5 and I'm really satisfied with the dorama till now. I agree that it's done sooo well like a good movie not a dorama hehe + has the best music ever!!
after watching ep 5:
anyway, just watched ep 5 and I'm really satisfied with the dorama till now. I agree that it's done sooo well like a good movie not a dorama hehe + has the best music ever!!
after watching ep 5:
Apologies, I am indeed watching raw episodes, I'll make sure I mark further spoilers with episode numbers in order to avoid confusion!yamatsumi wrote:is this discussion thread moving with RAWs releases or e-subbed asobou! releases? coz I'm not sure if I'm safe when clicking hide button (can you add for example spoiler after ep 5 before spoiler tags?)
Agreed, "I believe" by Ayaka has been non-stop listening material for me recently.yamatsumi wrote:...has the best music ever!!
I'm definitely going to have to splash out on the DVDs for Rondo.
On the Korean origin note ep 5
On ep 8 preview:
The show definitely doesn't seem going haywire though. It is probably well thought out. They probably had to sit down and decided it was either "a bit crazy" plot or "anybody could see it coming" plot
Personal "Wanted dead" list:
- Ryugo
- Isaki's superior (I believe he's evil)
- Song
- Guy that shot Isaki
Definitely wanted alive list:
- Hide
- Kim Young Jae
- Yuni
- Justice
- Akira
Personal "Wanted dead" list:
- Ryugo
- Isaki's superior (I believe he's evil)
- Song
- Guy that shot Isaki
Definitely wanted alive list:
- Hide
- Kim Young Jae
- Yuni
- Justice
- Akira
This is my first post. I want to say first of all to the team adding subs. Thank you very much. The story is beautifully complicated, so that to watch without understanding the subtle dialog with the cinematography would not be enough.
Whether it is influenced by Infernal Affairs (yea I think so) but as an American this is a drama that rarely even the TV in the US does as well. I am not sure Japan has ever done a serious drama in this genre with plot and presentation as well. If so please let me know so I can watch.
I look forward everyday to see if a new week sub is up. Thanks to all. Equally to those of you who add comments. They are useful for points I miss as well as different perspective. Regarding a Japanese and a Korean sort of figuring out how to commnunicate by expressing internal thoughts verbally. I think it does work. And as an American living in Taiwan and spending much of my time in Japan sometimes verbalization without understanding gets through. I am talking business not love. But maybe if you think of love compare this drama to Orange Days where non-verbal and verbal are used very well also.
Whether it is influenced by Infernal Affairs (yea I think so) but as an American this is a drama that rarely even the TV in the US does as well. I am not sure Japan has ever done a serious drama in this genre with plot and presentation as well. If so please let me know so I can watch.
I look forward everyday to see if a new week sub is up. Thanks to all. Equally to those of you who add comments. They are useful for points I miss as well as different perspective. Regarding a Japanese and a Korean sort of figuring out how to commnunicate by expressing internal thoughts verbally. I think it does work. And as an American living in Taiwan and spending much of my time in Japan sometimes verbalization without understanding gets through. I am talking business not love. But maybe if you think of love compare this drama to Orange Days where non-verbal and verbal are used very well also.
I rewatched the beginning of ep 1 and now I'm not sure if it was Korea or not the 2 things that made me think it was Korea was 1. the signs in korean and 2. when Takumi's mother asked Isaki what Shinku was he said "a Japanese terrorism org." (I wonder why would he add "Japanese" if they were in Japan )yamatsumi wrote:
but anyway, this is nothing important actually hehe
yamatsumi wrote:I rewatched the beginning of ep 1 and now I'm not sure if it was Korea or not the 2 things that made me think it was Korea was 1. the signs in korean and 2. when Takumi's mother asked Isaki what Shinku was he said "a Japanese terrorism org." (I wonder why would he add "Japanese" if they were in Japan )yamatsumi wrote:
but anyway, this is nothing important actually hehe
learning a language can be difficult, but at least you have a good drama like this to learn from good luck in your studies.dee8o8 wrote:just like me but im working on it!Nujabes wrote:there are alot of koreans that live in japan that no longer speak korean. just like most japanese americans cant speak japanese.
**** MAJOR SPOILER ****
Due to some circumstances, 6 and 7 are coming TOGETHER on or before Thursday.
がんばろ
A sneak peak at the insert song:
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Due to some circumstances, 6 and 7 are coming TOGETHER on or before Thursday.
がんばろ
A sneak peak at the insert song:
[img]http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/8742 ... ara8wq.jpg[/img]
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OMG~!!! you guys rocKK!! That's amazing and you guys work super fast!! Thank you soOo much!! but this thread is so secretive. ... it has so many spoiler tags ...
So far (i've just finished episode4) i still think Rondo's kinda like Infernal affairs ... both Yutaka and Tony's character are similar ... they're both kinda shabby looking with their greasy hair and always in the same outfit, that black leather jacket look. But i must say it's definately one of my favorite dramas!!! (My favorite for this season!) thank you!!
So far (i've just finished episode4) i still think Rondo's kinda like Infernal affairs ... both Yutaka and Tony's character are similar ... they're both kinda shabby looking with their greasy hair and always in the same outfit, that black leather jacket look. But i must say it's definately one of my favorite dramas!!! (My favorite for this season!) thank you!!
It doesn't reveal any plot?
Anyway, I guess you wanted critiquing on the translation, but I can't really help with that. The only thing I can think of is that the karaoke was right on her eye for a while, and that kind of distracted me, but it has to go somewhere, right? So, I hope someone confirms your work for you soon so you feel you can encode it. Thanks again for the great work!
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I would actually prefer somebody turn my English lyrics into something that would make more sense. Because the song didn't make much sense to me.
Actual karaoke looks different, smaller text in comparison to actual video, higher video resolution overall. Placement is nothing to worry. It's mainly the translation.
Actual karaoke looks different, smaller text in comparison to actual video, higher video resolution overall. Placement is nothing to worry. It's mainly the translation.
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Hi all, I finally decided to register here so I could lend some praise to Rondo. What a great show this turned out to be! I was wavering a bit after the first few eps, but after watching part seven, I am agog. Talk about some unexpected plot twists...Everytime I catch my breath, there's something new happening, and the part eight teaser looks like it's set to drop yet another bomb! I love this stuff...
After ep. 7
Some really bad translations between English on screen and Japanese subtitles in this series BUT when it showed the computer hacking footages, they seemed to be writing some kind of shell script at one point and C-style language in another place. Which I think is pretty cool. Most "fancy" hacking scenes from movies don't show the string manipulation functions people write, lol!
Akira-chan is one of my favourite characters, you guys will get to see more of her in Episode 8. Haw haw haw.
Akira-chan is one of my favourite characters, you guys will get to see more of her in Episode 8. Haw haw haw.
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