edited my post, i watched ep 7 last night. and yes, i have been watching it raw since first ep because i have no patience to wait for subs but i re-watch the ep once the subbed version is out. and in betwwen waiting time i make use of my limited knowledge of nihongo.zhmogeliukas wrote:u watched raw version? or there are sus somewhere ?Issy wrote:i watched ep7 last night
[Discussion] Smile - Jun Matsumoto & Yui Aragaki
YES, you are right too. unfortunately only dedicated fans will suffer in this.gauri92 wrote:ya well....their move to go private has not really helped in this case...i wonder wht else they can do other than stopping fansubbing....which will b absolutely sad.....
ok, back to Smile
just finished watching ep8. this drama is reallt going from strength to strength. so far it is my MOST favourite drama of this season. no drama can top smile.
@ginto-gin
as i said before, my nihongo is limited. it also depends on the dramas. some are much easier to understand (like shiroi haru) and some are harder (like whatever being said in the court or by ito sensei defending vito).
but to be honest, i just can't wait till the subs are out. i need to know what happens and i am very impatient. so i just have to do with raws.
I can't blame those streaming site enough for starting the whole thing.
as i said before, my nihongo is limited. it also depends on the dramas. some are much easier to understand (like shiroi haru) and some are harder (like whatever being said in the court or by ito sensei defending vito).
but to be honest, i just can't wait till the subs are out. i need to know what happens and i am very impatient. so i just have to do with raws.
I can't blame those streaming site enough for starting the whole thing.
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Wow... I'm pretty shocked ep 08 had the lowest ratings until now...
To me, it was the best ep so far...
This just proves that high ratings don't mean a good drama.
I've seen another dramas of this season and no one can't beat Smile. Polemic, intelligent and touching... The typical genre of drama I like.
To me, it was the best ep so far...
This just proves that high ratings don't mean a good drama.
I've seen another dramas of this season and no one can't beat Smile. Polemic, intelligent and touching... The typical genre of drama I like.
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I haven't seen much criticism neither in japanese dramas nor in japanese movies. I mean, a movie really against the WWII (except Kabei) or against the death penalty or against the prison system or against prejudices. That's why Smile was interesting to me: not an independent movie but a tv show dares to talk about racism, injustice and stereotypes, in a world where stereotypes and clichés are the basis of a dorama.shiruchan wrote:I've seen another dramas of this season and no one can't beat Smile. Polemic, intelligent and touching...
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Maybe that's why people turned off their TVs. It's hard to admit it.
Maybe the TV audience don't like to be upstream... because in Japan it is hard, they have too much sea all around No offense, we in Italy are very similar
I said it "was" interesting because I don't understand the japanese language and the english subtitles won't be available to me.
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Well, all the Arashi fans are busy writing in that forum so they don't have time for the doramalo-chan wrote:I really wanted to watch it, tried to join ourhour but they rejected me (didn't even try the one where you have to write about arashi)
I wonder why the ratings are bad? They're all popular actors?
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No offense for Arashi fans, I was joking
But the low ratings are not referred to last week only.
Smile : 11.7 -- 10.2 -- 12.3 -- 9.2 -- 11.0 -- 8.9 -- 10.1 -- 7.1
Not so low but less than average, at least higher than the previous Love Shuffle.
However, comparing how good it is (it was), adding the presence of popular actors, the ratings are way lower than expected. I know it is already said many times that ratings are getting lower nowadays for every dorama, that good dramas do not depend on ratings, that people only watch shows with idols in it... and so on. But in this case I think japanese audience does not like to deal with criticism.
But the low ratings are not referred to last week only.
Smile : 11.7 -- 10.2 -- 12.3 -- 9.2 -- 11.0 -- 8.9 -- 10.1 -- 7.1
Not so low but less than average, at least higher than the previous Love Shuffle.
However, comparing how good it is (it was), adding the presence of popular actors, the ratings are way lower than expected. I know it is already said many times that ratings are getting lower nowadays for every dorama, that good dramas do not depend on ratings, that people only watch shows with idols in it... and so on. But in this case I think japanese audience does not like to deal with criticism.
even if it was on tv many times before too?Misato-san wrote:the rival for this week's Smile was a Ghibli movie, and every time a Ghibli movie is on tv it beats EVERYTHING ELSE. ç_ç
surely i would have given it a miss if i was living in japan and watch the drama that i am following every week. no matter how much i love Ghibli movies.
i don't get japanese viewers sometime. (maybe most of times? )
Well, if there is anyone out there who can kinda translate Japanese to English, I can make soft subs. I never made them before, but I dooo have a problem that lets me make subtitles. I had to download it because I had subs in the past that kinda had to be converted or fixed. But I really would like to watch this drama, and want other people who aren't Arashi fans like me to watch this too. If one fansub group have restictions in watching it (mainly because you're not an Arashi fan) then why not some other people pick up on the series too? I wouldn't mind starting fro mthe first episode, and if no one wants to, we don't have to post the subs on d-addicts starting on epiosde 2 or 3. (since it's only a d-addict rule, not a fansub rule) If anyone is interested in attempting to translate........... I would love to try and make some soft subs!
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But why would I have to ask someone for permission to sub a show? Like the previous person said, no one owns the right to sub a show that the claim first. That's like making a product, and only one company can produce it. Other companies produce similar items giving people a variety. Besides, who knows if I (and hopefully other people out there who wants to help >_<) would put the subs on d-addicts. Those rules only apply if you post them on d-addicts, not on your own blog or journal so Stormy has nothing to say if another group subs are somewhere else besides d-addicts (if they are not stolen from them then that's a different story. But it would be best to start from the beginning only if some new person sees the this series and wonder where are the first few episodes) I just would like to finish watching the show that I can understand, and instead of me (I'm not trying to offend anyone of doing this... I just can't find a better word?) whining that I can't watch the subs because of the joining of their group and their rules, then why not do sokething about it? If more people don't mind trying to do something about it and see if they can translate, it shouldn't be a problem. Lots of people on this site watch the Raws and then the subs becasue they can't wait to for the subbed release, and many of them get the gist and can kinda understand what the characters are saying. If those people people don't mind translating... That's all I'm just saying.
If anyone is out there interested with trying to make new subs for this show, you can.. uh.. I guess Pm me since my email isn't on my profile... ^_^U Then we can discuss if we should post them on d-addicts, make a new JL and post them there... I just would like to watch the series too, and instead of just lying and making some BS about Arashi or something (because I'm not a fan of Arashi, and I hate joining so many groups and I know I won't be a poster or an active person, and it just feels wrong on my part) I only wanna help ;___;
If anyone is out there interested with trying to make new subs for this show, you can.. uh.. I guess Pm me since my email isn't on my profile... ^_^U Then we can discuss if we should post them on d-addicts, make a new JL and post them there... I just would like to watch the series too, and instead of just lying and making some BS about Arashi or something (because I'm not a fan of Arashi, and I hate joining so many groups and I know I won't be a poster or an active person, and it just feels wrong on my part) I only wanna help ;___;
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Please! The streaming site issue is only a pretext! The episode 3 isn't here but it's already on streaming sites.lo-chan wrote:I really do understand why the subbers don't want to see their dramas on streaming sites.
Stormy clearly stated that they are sharing their subs only with those who are watching the show for Arashi (meaning, if they find out that you also like Gakki or you are enjoying the plot, you're out of their community )
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@«minah» Smile is done in a month, so once it is then there isn't anything anyone can say to you about it, because if two teams can do Anmitsu Hime, then why can't ttwo do Smile? BTW if you get someone to translate it then I might be in with helping you to encode and upload it. I am working on learning timing too.
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then i truly believe that above modifications have not been noticed by fansubers. ok, i don't want to sound demanding and i really appreciate all the hard work and affords of subbers and i know what a hard job and time consuming task it is.ariz wrote:The modified "competition clause" rationale
This was actually added into the update last year, but I don't think it quite sunk in with everybody... Just what does this mean? It means that different groups can work on the same series even if one group announced their intentions before the other. No more "claiming" for series (on the condition that all subtitled series must be uploaded in sequence, starting from the first episode... Which is in accordance with the other rules already established on this site.)
at the end of the day, fansubbers only pick up projects that interest them (and i given them all the right to do so because they are doing this job for free ) so fans really can't chose which project to be subbed.
for a drama like Smile, its hard to believe that only one fansub group wanted to do it. ignoring the fact that jun is an arashi member, he is one of those actors that his dramas gets subbed most of the times and by various groups. SARS and JTV and Nya did their own versions of HYD. so this was happening before.
but recently i have noticed that once a drama is picked by one group, other group just cross it from their list to do page. of course you can't force fansub groups, but i am thinking, if they are also interested in a drama that is being subbed by a group, they might as well make their own version.
saying the above, i also read so many post by people on threads where different groups where subbing the same drama, and people where complaining "why they are wasting their time and do someother drama instead" which i thought was kind of rude considering all the hard works of subbers.
and i did not know that Stormy won't be uploading on d-a anymore.
i wish my nihhongo was good enough to offer my help in subbing.
Well, I bet you could help Issy! I mean, I'm limited to Japanese too, but I know a few phrases and words. We can put our limitedness together! And I really like the show a lot too, even if Jun wasn't in the sereis. I like the subject it touches on which I think worldwide people can relate to and I would really like to watch this drama. I think there are very very few dramas that talk about ethnicity and such.. really the only thing I remember watching is Go, which is just a movie. But yeah, I'm really into the story than the actual cast. (And actually Jun looks really creepy with a tan... so... I hope he gets/got rid of it soon/already!) I think it's always exctiting when a network makes race-related shows becasue well, they recgonize that it is an issue and it brings awareness!
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How do the different fansub groups "claim" a drama? I'm not familiar with how this happens, so maybe someone could point me to a thread that explains it. And, do all these fansub groups upload to d-addicts, or at least make their subs publicly accessible? It seems like if Stormy is only releasing their subs to a niche group (members of their own community) that it effectively hasn't been claimed by any groups who make their subs available to the public. I don't watch subbed versions so I'm not totally up to speed on the different dynamics going on here, but I want other people to be able to enjoy this drama with me, so I want to understand what's going on
really?veritati wrote:First, this TBS dorama is getting on my nerves. It's total BS. I can't believe that a Japanese person actually wrote this dorama. Has he lived in a bubble or warped world all this time? Japan is nothing like what's being portrayed by this dorama. If I were Japanese, I'd be even more pissed. If anything, the family that the protagonist lives with is more representative of how Japanese people really are. Japanese people don't hate foreigners. They don't go around labeling people as Filipino or Chinese or Vietnamese in a negative tone. It's the freaking liberal, western-minded media who are taking things out of context. So those who've never immersed themselves in Japanese society shouldn't assume anything or accept stories as fact without proper experience.quandary wrote:The writers of this are really heavy handed with the discrimination aspect, but that can be forgiven if they don't beat it to death. What I don't like is they've made Vito a blubbering ball of protoplasm. No one who's survived street gang membership and jail time would be like that, he would have been eaten alive. They've written the character so weak and stupid that I'm having a hard time sympathizing with him. For example, he observes a celebrity buying drugs and is shocked into insensibility. Is there anyone left in the world that would be surprised by that, given that we see it on the news nearly every day? The acting performances, OTOH, are first rate, given what they have to work with, so I'll stick with it for a while.
The police is portrayed as hasty, overbearing and brutal in episode one, which is somewhat true - and especially of major crime units that deal with yakuza and drugs - but not only to foreigners. I personally know that they mistreat Japanese the same way they mistreat anyone else. My Japanese brother-in-law is a sommelier and late one night while walking home after work at a restaurant in Ginza a gang of guys who were up to no good bumped into him to try and extort some money, not knowing that he learned boxing during high school. He resisted and a fight broke out. Witnesses of the incidence and ensuing melee called the police. When the police arrived, they arrested and threw everyone into jail. During the interrogation, my brother-in-law was physically abused and accused of being a yakuza without hearing all sides of the story. Long story short: If they think you are a criminal, they will treat you like one regardless of your background. So what they are doing to Vito is not protocol but an elaborate and failed attempt by the screenwriter to get his message of false hate across. They're verbally abusive and wrong, but they're not targeting any specific race. They just want to prosecute the culprit/perpetrator; Vito happens to be half-Filipino. And considering his past, a gang member - be it voluntarily or forced - and not just some innocent poor kid, you can't blame them. So the reality of racism is being distorted by the screenwriter.
Second, M. Jun's character is too annoying. He has an inferiority complex and thinks the world is against him while he is surrounded by such caring people. I can't sympathize with that train of thought. We'll learn more of his past and get to see more self-inflicted injustices as the story progresses, I am sure. But you don't run away from the police no matter how much distrust you have in the system and especially if you are falsely accused. There are injustices but Japan is a democracy. The truth (of the first case), in the end, will be revealed (in episode 2). As quandary pointed out, portraying Vito as a weak and pathetic person is not gonna get people's empathy or sympathy. If anything, there'll be backlash and no one will watch this show. We'll have to watch the entire dorama to see how the story pans out, but the approach so far is subjective and not constructive at all. It's beyond surreal that it's becoming anticlimactic after only two episodes.
Third, A. Yui is way too cute in this dorama. However, her character's temporary muteness is kinda frustrating. Vito helped her before that's why she's gravitating towards him. I think the little girl whose backpack he retrieves is Hana, wearing pony tails then and now. The normal Vito matches fine with her, but not the self-pitiful one.
Fourth, Kazuma probably is a half-breed like Vito. Kazuma took the low road; whereas, Vito took the high road. The screenwriter is probably trying to contrast between the "proper and accepted" half-breed versus the mischievous and troubled one.
Lastly, after two episodes I have mix feelings. On the one hand, I want to rate this dorama an F for the failed effort to address Japan's immigration policies in an underhanded way. On the other hand, without all the overblown race issues this dorama is pretty appealing. The story based on race is already exaggerated and I think having M. Jun plays this character is making it looks even more unrealistic. He just doesn't fit the frail and feeble-minded role or as leading man. I guess that's the annoying part. It's like I am watching Kimi wa Petto all over. I know it's the stories but having two attractive female co-stars and Jun as the leading man is just...laughable.
BTW, please don't post multiple screen caps or scans. It's gonna turn into soompi 2.0, which is extremely annoying.
what about this, then?
http://www.debito.org/roguesgallery.html
Well, I can help with the timed subs.
I'm a part of a fansub and we've done until ep 08 (in Portuguese).
But that's all I can do to help you people who want to sub it in English.
Sadly, I don't know English enough to help with translation, it's already hard to translate it into Portuguese... But I'll try my best to explain to English translators if you've got some doubts.
Anyway, PM me if you (or any fansub group) want the subs. I really think Smile is too good to not have subs of it. So, here's my offer.
I'm a part of a fansub and we've done until ep 08 (in Portuguese).
But that's all I can do to help you people who want to sub it in English.
Sadly, I don't know English enough to help with translation, it's already hard to translate it into Portuguese... But I'll try my best to explain to English translators if you've got some doubts.
Anyway, PM me if you (or any fansub group) want the subs. I really think Smile is too good to not have subs of it. So, here's my offer.
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http://tracker.jdrama-fansubs.comcalimerina wrote:Shiruchan, can you please post a link to your Portuguese subs or to your fansub page? At least I could watch it with Portuguese subs...
Since you understand Portuguese, I'll write in Portuguese, ok?
(Bad English)
É necessário se cadastrar no site. É gratuito.
Diferente daqui, no nosso tracker há uma exigência para ratio, que é de 0.5.
Por isso, quando você se cadastrar, você receberá uma mensagem pedindo para você ler as regras, FAQ. Leia tudo, e se você tiver alguma dúvida, você pode me mandar uma PM por aqui mesmo.
YES. I think so too.
we really need to go back to drama discussion. we keep getting off topic in here.
i just watched ep 9. i thought i won't like it as much as i loved ep8 but i think it was another great ep. and my admiration for kiechi Nakai is getting more and more. he is just one brilliant actor.
we really need to go back to drama discussion. we keep getting off topic in here.
i just watched ep 9. i thought i won't like it as much as i loved ep8 but i think it was another great ep. and my admiration for kiechi Nakai is getting more and more. he is just one brilliant actor.
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I didn't want to start the subs discussion again... I simply said I envy those who can watch the show when it's aired or the raw when it comes out.
I'm watching it with portuguese subs and I'm up to episode 8. My english isn't good enough to help with the translation.
But I'm following the discussion and reading the spoilers and I'm worried about the final episode because I heard something about forgiveness and such... I want to know asap that everything is going ok for Bito
I'm watching it with portuguese subs and I'm up to episode 8. My english isn't good enough to help with the translation.
But I'm following the discussion and reading the spoilers and I'm worried about the final episode because I heard something about forgiveness and such... I want to know asap that everything is going ok for Bito
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a drama discussion thread does NOT get closed simple because the drama has ended. it stays open for who ever wants to give it a try.AhMeD1LoT wrote:since it is the final EP came and you discussed about it, just close the thread and forget that there was a drama called smile and move on
you never know, maybe the subs were out one day. it's good to keep positive.
but Smile is one unforgetable drama with or without subs. i just hope that everyone can enjoy it as much as i did.
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just started watching smile last night and nani kore??? whats this!!! nakai kichii/ito kazuma is choo good in acting, soo natural~ first time seeing him yet greatly attached to him!! brilliant!
and shun....WOW!!! *speechless* hontouni a true badaass, i mean he kicked gakky without any compassion at all as if he really wnted to kill her right tht moment!! kakkkkkkkkkkkooooiii (and blonde shun? kyaargh!!:D)
and gakky!....err well, it does make me wonder if such a girl really exist? skippy dipply walking like tht as if its normal (its not normal when u skipped EVRYtime u walk rite??, at least i thought so) and soo persistent in getting her man eventhough few times matsujun virtually rejected her (hands in pocket and such). on the bright side! hey! she IS PERFECT for matsujun! matsujun, PLEASEJUST GO AND MARRY HER! no, seriously, they look mecha good together, i mean its true mtsujun and mao had a superb chemistry in hyd but they err...doesnt really suits each other physically isnt it?? (one is tall, the other is slightly short, one is skinny minny, the other one is slightly...ok, got it?) but matsujun and gakky is such a good pair and would make a good one too if in real life , really really
and shun....WOW!!! *speechless* hontouni a true badaass, i mean he kicked gakky without any compassion at all as if he really wnted to kill her right tht moment!! kakkkkkkkkkkkooooiii (and blonde shun? kyaargh!!:D)
and gakky!....err well, it does make me wonder if such a girl really exist? skippy dipply walking like tht as if its normal (its not normal when u skipped EVRYtime u walk rite??, at least i thought so) and soo persistent in getting her man eventhough few times matsujun virtually rejected her (hands in pocket and such). on the bright side! hey! she IS PERFECT for matsujun! matsujun, PLEASEJUST GO AND MARRY HER! no, seriously, they look mecha good together, i mean its true mtsujun and mao had a superb chemistry in hyd but they err...doesnt really suits each other physically isnt it?? (one is tall, the other is slightly short, one is skinny minny, the other one is slightly...ok, got it?) but matsujun and gakky is such a good pair and would make a good one too if in real life , really really
yeah, he does. lovely man he is.
btw, don't you think matsujun in smile, tried very hard to cry but tears hardly came down, i mean drop by drop, errr...how do i say this,
all the face expressions, emotions and sounds*sobbing* are there, but the tears are not pouring down as it shouldve been...but its okay anyway, cause hes
*wht a big nagase uve got there.
btw, don't you think matsujun in smile, tried very hard to cry but tears hardly came down, i mean drop by drop, errr...how do i say this,
all the face expressions, emotions and sounds*sobbing* are there, but the tears are not pouring down as it shouldve been...but its okay anyway, cause hes
*wht a big nagase uve got there.
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Some JDrama uploading blog just claimed that he will be posting the first few episodes of SMILE hardsubbed within 24 hours.
I wun give him free advertising yet. But I'll let everyone know if he actually post past the first 2 episodes.
EDIT: He DID upload them!
Mod Edit: I compared the hardsub from the link with Stormy's subs. The subtitles are the same. I think they took the twitter ripped softsub and put their own credit on the filename
I wun give him free advertising yet. But I'll let everyone know if he actually post past the first 2 episodes.
EDIT: He DID upload them!
Mod Edit: I compared the hardsub from the link with Stormy's subs. The subtitles are the same. I think they took the twitter ripped softsub and put their own credit on the filename
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