[Discussion] Zettai Kareshi / Absolute Boyfriend

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Post by sahansah » Feb 13th, '09, 01:08

Hmm. I thought they ended the drama quite nicely. I wonder how they will end the special then....lol, nothing pinocchio-like I hope! :lol

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Post by Zealousy » Feb 13th, '09, 01:43

Eh. I'll watch it but I'm not really anticipating it..
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Post by loveless_soul » Feb 13th, '09, 01:46

I liked the bittersweet ending... I too wonder how they're going to make this SP work...
Hopefully it's not something like they revive Night & then somehow later he has to leave again... that would be sad.. & stupid.
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Post by fleng » Feb 13th, '09, 02:05

yes damnit yes! lol finally an SP to look out for :O

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Post by Machihxh » Feb 13th, '09, 09:35

strawberrynkiwi wrote:yes i really liked hiro as soshi.
always rooted for riko and soshi in the drama, not the manga though.
the drama didn't really do night justice, but for soshi instead. lol which i didn't mind at all.
I also was rooting for those two :wub: in the drama. I hope something good happens between Riiko & Soshi :D I hope this SP will be a good one. I really did enjoy the drama :D

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Post by LilyJade » Feb 13th, '09, 10:30

Oh so happy to learn that a little sequel is going to be produced. I just hope the final will be totally cute and romantic for Riiko and Soshi! hehehe :wub:
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Post by hazi_yu » Feb 13th, '09, 10:34

yay i am so excited!i was hopelessly addicted to zettai kareshi and i seriously couldnt picture the actor who played knight as a normal human after that. i tried watching his other drama "oh my girl" and i had to stop after less that 15 minutes coz the thought of him as a normal human being just failed to register in my mind.oh japanese dramas how you have messed with my mind!

*continues to watch anyway*

and weehoo more mizushima hiro goodness!

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Post by hideko » Feb 13th, '09, 10:43

Gah!! That's exciting news. =D Now I'll just be waiting with bated breath for this to air.....!! *hums happily*

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Post by mnsl » Feb 13th, '09, 15:58

when will the special be aired??

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Post by SnowApple » Feb 13th, '09, 18:01

Interesting. I wonder if Kuninaka Ryoko finds a way to bring Night back. Then what's the conflict going to be? Or maybe she's trying to destroy him....

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Post by misuzana » Feb 13th, '09, 19:05

:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: OMG awsome can't wait to see how that come back would be awsome :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Post by hazelkenro » Feb 13th, '09, 20:25

@mnsl

there no announce yet!maybe this coming Spring...


I have a lots of ? in my mind now
Nighto-kun Reactivate Again..Yey!
So Riiko Comeback again
So the Romance of Human and Robot will continue.
What Happen to Soshi And Riiko Love...
Who will choose Riiko over Soshi and Night-kun
Wahhh! i can't wait to Watch this Again
I hope i can't Cry again...

I really love this Series...
I love Hayami Mocomichi...hehehe!
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Post by kuma601 » Feb 17th, '09, 23:04

Looking forward to this. :)

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Post by hazelkenro » Feb 18th, '09, 21:06



i cant believe this riiko and soshi got engaged to this SP
What happen to love of Riiko to night
i read from his official website
Riiko and soshi got back after 3years been in PARIS
and shock they engaged wahhhhh.i can't wait to know the EPISODE FLow!
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Post by misuzana » Feb 18th, '09, 23:51

hazelkenro wrote:

i cant believe this riiko and soshi got engaged to this SP
What happen to love of Riiko to night
i read from his official website
Riiko and soshi got back after 3years been in PARIS
and shock they engaged wahhhhh.i can't wait to know the EPISODE FLow!
:O :O :O :O :goggle: :goggle: :goggle: what really wow now that is taking care of business
soshi sure take care of Riiko :P
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Post by chocoasaurus » Feb 19th, '09, 00:27

Yes, I'll be waiting for it. I really looked forward a SP, and now DREAM COME TRUE :wub:
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Post by hazelkenro » Feb 20th, '09, 06:53

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Post by hurulaini » Feb 20th, '09, 07:29

what!!!!they getting engaged???? :O :O :O
oh, that make me wanted to watch this sooner..... :crazy:
i want riko with night.... :pale:

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Post by Orbity » Feb 20th, '09, 07:44

Rough Translation from my partner.

3 years have passed and Riko & Soshi are engaged. They plan to fly home to Japan to throw an engagement party. While walking home, Riko is assaulted by delinquents. A passer-by comes to the aid of Riko, and the savior is none other than robot Tenjo Knight.

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Post by chocoasaurus » Feb 20th, '09, 09:37

Orbity wrote:Rough Translation from my partner.

3 years have passed and Riko & Soshi are engaged. They plan to fly home to Japan to throw an engagement party. While walking home, Riko is assaulted by delinquents. A passer-by comes to the aid of Riko, and the savior is none other than robot Tenjo Knight.
Eh~
Can't wait.
I love Night, but if Riko won't be with Soshi, it's sad.

How will the story be like ? It's difficult to wait.
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Post by LilyJade » Feb 20th, '09, 10:11

Engaged?! Riiko and Soshi?! Yeees !!! Now I have to watch it!!!!
It's going to be really tough for Riiko to choose... but I hope she ends with Soshi. :wub:
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Post by hazelkenro » Feb 20th, '09, 12:26

@Orbity


Thanks to the translation....
I think Riiko Again inlove with his Perfect boyfriend since
they saw again nIght hehehe!maybe I becames friends in ending
maybe Soshi and Riiko in the final....Its the same Human..
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Post by angelayu » Feb 20th, '09, 13:15

wow!!!!!! good news!!!!!!! i wanna watCH~!!!!!!!!
special? 1 episode or part 2 drama? becos aired from april till june?

i love hayami mokomichi~ >.<

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Post by angelayu » Feb 20th, '09, 13:18

i want riiko with night >.< although i love soshi too.. boooooooo~

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Post by Aiko_ » Feb 20th, '09, 13:57

i can't wait to see it! :D

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Post by Calevera » Feb 26th, '09, 16:26

Zettai Kareshi was my first J-dorama and I hold it dear to me. I thought that Aibu Saki's acting was quite kawai (loved how she pulled off all her different facial expressions) and I thought the 2 male leads were very likable. Hayami is perfect as Naito because of his good looks. Hiro Mizushima is very kakoi.

I loved watching Naito as he was learning to become more human and also how to truly love Riko.
That he even went against his programming to do so was touching.

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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 2nd, '09, 20:23

MARCH 24, 2009

The SP Would be AIRED MArked on your CALENDAR....

wohoooo i cant wait to watch it....




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Post by misuzana » Mar 3rd, '09, 01:05

hazelkenro wrote:MARCH 24, 2009

The SP Would be AIRED MArked on your CALENDAR....

wohoooo i cant wait to watch it....




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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 12th, '09, 18:15

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heres some clips for the Official Website

and from sunny989@wretchblog.com
They have a new Interview with Saki Aibu and a lots of pics....


ZK oFficial Website: http://wwwz.fujitv.co.jp/ZK/index.html
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Post by misuzana » Mar 14th, '09, 04:25

hazelkenro wrote:Image

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heres some clips for the Official Website

and from sunny989@wretchblog.com
They have a new Interview with Saki Aibu and a lots of pics....


ZK oFficial Website: http://wwwz.fujitv.co.jp/ZK/index.html
these pics are Zettai Kawaii :wub: :D :P
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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 14th, '09, 19:17

SOSHI VS NIGHT

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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Mar 18th, '09, 06:25

Hmm... I really wonder how they'll make it work...
I mean the drama ending was alright, I wasn't expecting an SP
Still, I'm looking forward to the SP
I think this is the time for Riko to really decide
I mean, she didn't get to decide at first right?
Night chose for her, which is unfair in some standard...
Though... If she doesn't choose Soshi...
Or if the ending ended up with some Pinocchio ending
I'm going to be really disappointed... >.<

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Post by Mai-Soon » Mar 18th, '09, 17:38

LilyJade wrote:Engaged?! Riiko and Soshi?! Yeees !!! Now I have to watch it!!!!
It's going to be really tough for Riiko to choose... but I hope she ends with Soshi. :wub:
finger crossed ...

me too

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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 18th, '09, 18:11

the trailer is already out

heres the link:
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Post by nikkibell84 » Mar 18th, '09, 18:31

Thank you for the trailer. I'm looking forward to the SP. Even though, I agree that the show more or less had a solid ending: Riiko could always keep Night in her heart as her first love and she and Soshi could become closer. I will freely admit that I loved Night and Riiko together, but it was alright that he "died". Now, he's back? I like that -but, poor Riiko is going to be so confused.

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Post by Issy » Mar 18th, '09, 21:29

I too was suprised to know about the SP. the ending was perfect and did not need any extras. the orginal manga is short itself (only 5 volumes). so i really wondering how they going to make the story.
it is not that she can have both of them by her side because we all know non of them will agree to it. i can't really see much of story going in this SP apart from the fact that both boys will fight over the girl.
i still will watch though. only for Hiro's sake. :wub:
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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Mar 18th, '09, 23:06

Issy wrote:I too was suprised to know about the SP. the ending was perfect and did not need any extras. the orginal manga is short itself (only 5 volumes). so i really wondering how they going to make the story.
it is not that she can have both of them by her side because we all know non of them will agree to it. i can't really see much of story going in this SP apart from the fact that both boys will fight over the girl.
i still will watch though. only for Hiro's sake. :wub:
Hopefully it'll have somewhat a good storyline rather than just the boys fighting over Riko...

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Post by colyn7 » Mar 20th, '09, 05:29

yah... I hope the SP is good... waiting for this aLso...

I hope she ends up with Soshi..

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Post by colyn7 » Mar 20th, '09, 05:37

I can't see the trailer.. :(

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Post by LilyJade » Mar 20th, '09, 09:06

OMG, I'm so anxious about it... The end was perfect and clear... what are they going to come up with? :/
Stay with Soshi, Riiko!!!
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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Mar 20th, '09, 10:31

colyn7 wrote:I can't see the trailer.. :(
Did you try refreshing it a couple of times?
The same thing happened to me as well
I refreshed it a couple of times and it worked fine after that.

Though, I've tried looking for the trailer elsewhere...
Sorry, but I can't find it on any streaming sites...

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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 21st, '09, 15:00

hey guys here another links a lots of info here

if u have encountered a problem

you can drop to they're forum you can get a lot of info about zK SP
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http://tieba.baidu.com/f?ct=&tn=&rn=&pn ... F%C2&tb=on

And here's again the trailer of SP

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Post by Jun-pon » Mar 24th, '09, 06:50

So it's today :D

Someone knows will somebody sub it? :roll

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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Mar 24th, '09, 07:14

Jun-pon wrote:So it's today :D

Someone knows will somebody sub it? :roll
According to their site, SARS-Fansubs stated that they plan to sub it. Their release had always been hardsubbed version. So maybe in the mean time someone else would do the soft sub version.

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Post by Jun-pon » Mar 24th, '09, 07:25

wickedvampiregirl

Thank you!

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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Mar 24th, '09, 07:45

@Jun-pon

No problem at all.

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Post by Saki » Mar 24th, '09, 23:00

I can't wait to watch the special~!! :D I love this drama!!!

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Post by kakashiandme » Mar 25th, '09, 00:40

Realistically, she would have to choose Soshi. I mean come on.....you can't have a TRUE everlasting love with a Robot. (Well, I guess you could be that would be gross!)

The show ended the way the manga did....in a way. This special....I have reservations about.

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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 25th, '09, 17:43

AWESOME!!!
The show was successfully available now to TORRENT DOWNLOAD
wahhhh....can't wait to watch it....
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Post by nikkibell84 » Mar 25th, '09, 18:05

I'm bt'ing the SP now (it's been over 12 hours) and I'm looking forward to it. Though, I still don't see what the story could be. I love Night and honestly think everyone could of been happiest the way the show ending: Night peacefully sleeping, Riiko with the chip and her memories, Soshi with a chance.


Now Night is back (but, is he the same?) and we are back to where we started: Night and Soshi fighting over Riiko. The only way for all of them to be happy is if there were a robot Riiko who was as special as Night. Is this SP just an hour or so of the same stuff that happened in the series? That seems like a waste.



Loving all three characters, I want them all to have a happy ending, but with this SP, I'm not sure if it is possible.
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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 25th, '09, 18:39

here's the link of ZETTAI KARESHI SP

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http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODAwMjYwMjQ=.html


HAPPY WATCHING GUYS!

same as you nikkibelI want the story happy ending

I really love Moco-kun hehehehE(NIGHTO-KUN)
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Post by misuzana » Mar 25th, '09, 23:32

hazelkenro wrote:here's the link of ZETTAI KARESHI SP

credits: nahz44ep@youku.com

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODAwMjYwMjQ=.html


HAPPY WATCHING GUYS!

same as you nikkibelI want the story happy ending

I really love Moco-kun hehehehE(NIGHTO-KUN)
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Post by nikkibell84 » Mar 26th, '09, 02:59

I skimmed the SP today and, well, now I'm even more confused why they made the SP. It just seems like an excuse to get the cast back together for some fun.
I suppose it was a nice way to say, yes, Soshi gets the girl and Night approves. But, I kind of always figured that in his sleeping state he would approve of Riiko finding happiness with Soshi.
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Post by wail » Mar 26th, '09, 09:17

^ Have to agree with you, nikkibell. I skimmed the SP today as well, story-wise it's almost lousy.

But then I do think the ending of the drama was spot on, I'm very satisfied with it....so I wasn't hoping for anything fr the SP, a bit more Naito was all I was asking and I got plenty! ^^ So I did get what I want.

For some reason, Naito+Riiko is less magical this time around. It does lack a bit of that giddy cuteness I'm esp fond of in last couple eps of the drama. And I still don't feel anything for Riiko+Soshi AT ALL.

I cracked out in scenes of Naito and 'dad' Namikiri. They are oozing serious chemistry. PLEASE make a drama with them as dad and son, what's more, make them both in the gigilo biz! lol

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Post by Issy » Mar 26th, '09, 09:43

i saw the whole SP last night and as i thought
it had nothing more to offer. as it said above, you get to know that reiko is with soshi finaly happily leaving a normal life and having a family, BUT, you get this ending and feeling by the end of the drama too specially when night ask soshi to take care of reiko instead of him, so nothing changed.
me personally, got bored at some points with the whole unimportant side story dragging too much and make you want to skip all just to get to reiko x night x soshi parts. if you simply ignored that side story it would have not made any difference .
and i thought that SP was kind of summary of the whoe drama. you get every step of trio characters repeated again. like Night entering the story, reiko's shocked reaction and falling in love with night again, night recognising that he can't be with reiko and then reiko going to find happiness with soshi. basically, i you know what will be happening next before the story unfolded.
the only difference i found is that reiko was less annoying than the drama and i tolerated her better.
oh, and it is always a delight to see Hiro again in something specially now that i have mei-chan /hiro/ rihito withdrawing symptoms.
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Post by nikkibell84 » Mar 26th, '09, 12:15

wail wrote: For some reason, Naito+Riiko is less magical this time around. It does lack a bit of that giddy cuteness I'm esp fond of in last couple eps of the drama. And I still don't feel anything for Riiko+Soshi AT ALL.

I cracked out in scenes of Naito and 'dad' Namikiri. They are oozing serious chemistry. PLEASE make a drama with them as dad and son, what's more, make them both in the gigilo biz! lol


I agree. Night/Naito is adorable and he and Riiko were the reasons I wanted to watch. But, something felt off about them this time around. I suppose because Riiko was
meant to be in love with Soshi and just have fond memories of Night/Naito. Even though she fell for him again, it did seem a bit "phoned in".


As for Riiko/Soshi, I also never felt one way or the other about them in the drama. While I really liked both characters apart, together they never did anything for me. And yes: the actors that play Night/Naito and Namikiri are awesome together. Those two characters are so amusing together that they kind of made the SP bearable.
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Post by hazelkenro » Mar 26th, '09, 19:44

I really done to watch this and another Sad Ending...

Night got dissapear and he commit suicide because he know
that his love for Riiko can't be because he is the robot...
And i was surprised when i see the TEARDROPS of Night Falling wahhhh...I cry them to

here the clips

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Post by xento » Mar 27th, '09, 07:35

wail wrote: I cracked out in scenes of Naito and 'dad' Namikiri. They are oozing serious chemistry. PLEASE make a drama with them as dad and son, what's more, make them both in the gigilo biz! lol
To begin with, I did not really like the drama because of the way Naito was treated through out, so logically I did not have any expectations for the SP. I wasn't even planning on watching the SP after I read how crap it was. But seeing that Naito reunites with Namikiri in the SP,(and hopefully there's the landlady as well) I think I'll give this a shot. I just love Namikiri and landlady to bits. :mrgreen:

Missed you wail. =)

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Post by wail » Mar 27th, '09, 20:25

^ hi xento! :) "おかぇり"

yesyesyes, Namikiri is totally <33 (and yes Landlady is still cutely pervish lol) I do like barlady as well, but she's just not as quirky and fascinating as those 2.

I'm not sure if it's because I didn't watch the SP live and bumped into all the whining on how crappy this was, it's almost like some Naito fans wanna murder writters/smash monitors....AND I was totally not expecting any drastic miracle to happen, I did enjoy bits and some aspects of the SP. I did readjust how I took how they treated Naito by ep9 of the dorama. As a rule, I don't mind my fondest characters killed off in any drama as long as it's not there for cheap senseless melo. I thought in ZK, it was progressed and written as well as it could. The writer has long decided: Yes, 'love is miracle' but also 'robot is robot', the fruit of the miracle is only for humans to 'enjoy'....no matter how much we have grown very fond of our 'electrical appliance' , Yuu Watase has Naito's fate sternly decided.

I mean on a broader stroke (and please just turn off the PC radar...), there will never ever be another culture that has the robotic obsession so ingrained as the Japanese. Yet, true to Confucius, harmony and thus strict social norms are revered....they do appreciate almost robotic, mechanical precisions even in human behaviors. However as a culture they are not tolerant with diversity, so though they love their robots, or Chinese dumplings, or Americana....it'll never be pure Nihon. And their obsession with robots will never override their fear of losing control, or their human identity. Also, there is the aspect of domination and inferiority... Naito is created, he's a diff set of 'rights' and he'll never be equal with 'us'. He should have to stick to his 'social role'/programming and be dutifully contented, yet he's gone awire!!

For me, all that he won't grow old, can't have kids are kinda bs to give grounds for Naito's demise. He can always go back to lab and do sthsth to his appearances.... kids...nowadays with the birth rates in historical lows, and there is a condition called 'infertility' in real humans....in vitro, adoptions... there are just so many ways to go around. But I do like how on one side of the coin , Naito did it for Riiko's happiness, yet he also said he's internally devastated, tormented by his eternal unchanging love for Riiko and how much he CAN'T give her/love her, yet he's supposed to be her ideal. So his decision has an element 'self-awareness' or 'self preservation' to it that I appreciate.

I do have some bones to pick on the wishywashiness of Riiko in SP. She's totally 2 timing no matter how I look at her. Soshi is her fiance, then ACT and THINK like his fiancee. I dont see love for Soshi at all, so the ending of 'Okaeri' and 'tadaima' is buggy.

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Post by Issy » Mar 27th, '09, 22:49

@wail
i really enjoyed your thoughts about the drama and its SP and i totally agree with all of it.

reading some post earlier on how they are disappointed of the SP because Nighto did not end up with reiko (even was so expected of this ending knowing that how yuu watase ended the manga herself) left me so confused and made me to believe that most fans actually are confusing the nighto's charactor and mokomichi's as a person. maybe if it was not mokomichi as the robot nighto, their point of view be any different?
or maybe, because everyone will be backing up something unreal because it does not happen in real life.
i think we read enough about robot love Vs Human Love in earlier posts. i was one of those who totally backed up nighto's love few years ago when i was reading the manga and was completely devestated by its ending.
but few year later and after watching the live action, i totally understand why Yuu Watase ended up the manga this way. your point given is totally true.

and as i said, sp was disapponiting far beyond my imagination.
I do have some bones to pick on the wishywashiness of Riiko in SP. She's totally 2 timing no matter how I look at her. Soshi is her fiance, then ACT and THINK like his fiancee. I dont see love for Soshi at all, so the ending of 'Okaeri' and 'tadaima' is buggy.
can't agree more. i always wondered why on earth soshi liked reiko in the first place. while others are screaming obout how nighto was treated in SP and in the drama, i was so angry on how soshi was treated. specially in the SP.
and the kiss in that picture in some earlier posts, i thought it was one of the lousiest and fake kiss ever in hisotry of japanese dramas. it was very painful to watch.
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Post by ParadiseLost » Mar 29th, '09, 08:06

Issy wrote:@wail
i really enjoyed your thoughts about the drama and its SP and i totally agree with all of it.

reading some post earlier on how they are disappointed of the SP because Nighto did not end up with reiko (even was so expected of this ending knowing that how yuu watase ended the manga herself) left me so confused and made me to believe that most fans actually are confusing the nighto's charactor and mokomichi's as a person. maybe if it was not mokomichi as the robot nighto, their point of view be any different?
or maybe, because everyone will be backing up something unreal because it does not happen in real life.
i think we read enough about robot love Vs Human Love in earlier posts. i was one of those who totally backed up nighto's love few years ago when i was reading the manga and was completely devestated by its ending.
but few year later and after watching the live action, i totally understand why Yuu Watase ended up the manga this way. your point given is totally true.

and as i said, sp was disapponiting far beyond my imagination.
I do have some bones to pick on the wishywashiness of Riiko in SP. She's totally 2 timing no matter how I look at her. Soshi is her fiance, then ACT and THINK like his fiancee. I dont see love for Soshi at all, so the ending of 'Okaeri' and 'tadaima' is buggy.
can't agree more. i always wondered why on earth soshi liked reiko in the first place. while others are screaming obout how nighto was treated in SP and in the drama, i was so angry on how soshi was treated. specially in the SP.
and the kiss in that picture in some earlier posts, i thought it was one of the lousiest and fake kiss ever in hisotry of japanese dramas. it was very painful to watch.
I completely agree with you. Soshi was being treated like crap. TBH if i was soshi when I found out that nighto was a robot, I would have died laughing at reiko and moved on. I would have liked the story better if she didnt fall in love with nighto. At least it would show that she's somewhat sane.

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Post by wail » Mar 29th, '09, 09:43

@ Issy. Yes, Soshi was treated with less care/respect than fly on the wall in the SP. I don't really care/feel for his character all along but imo it's kinda part his fault. He didnt respect himself enough. If your fiancee still doesnt feel comfy enough to call your name..after 3+ years, get a clue. Honestly I've never seen Soshi having any memorable act of showing his love for Riiko, except just hanging around, or keeping a promise to Naito. I can let it slide in the dorama, but in the SP as fiance to that woman, and now Roboto is back to take it all back...ie he wont have his love, his marriage to be, the future as planned...and he just LET IT BE with an 'I understand'?!?! come on...that's your woman this 'thing' has come back to claim, screw that letter or whatever pact, that's btn dudes (not even), and you and Naito aren't really real buds to start out with. What's there to understand?!?! coz I'm totally lost.

@ Paradise lost: As a Naito's fangirl, I can't see how she can not fall for him after 11 eps story-wise esp fr the dorama. She did put up a great fight against the notion, way longer than many manga fans hoped, but I liked that. IF u meant the SP, yeah, I wished she HAD matured into more of a cooler tactful character, so either she's still in love with Naito and be an even more complete ass (if possible) to Soshi and at least have the courtesy, heart and integrity to not agree to the engagemt. How can you agree to marriage when she's sorta not over Naito AND she clearly doesn't love Soshi AT ALL. She just has no endearing quality to her.

And yes, there was never any explanation whatsoever on y Soshi would fall for her to tolerate all the crap. In the manga, at least we know he's been harboring feelings for her all along growing up tog. In the drama, all we got is just that she can bake and maybe make an ok patissier at his company (frankly, I dont really see her as that great either in that aspect, all she can make is a shu cream, she doesnt even know how to handle a simple crisis in SP). That's not wifey material, esp when she's so indifferent/fake nice towards him.

In the drama, I can perfectly stand her being her annoying MarySue. Coz logically Naito will fall for any girl he's programmed to, so she can be any breathing female (or even male FWIW) and Naito+Riiko is still logically plausible.

But the whole Riiko+Soshi arc was very poorly done. It's almost laughable and as if the writer had set out for it to look so fake/ flawed in order to emphasize how dreamy and genuine Naito's love was.


For that SP kiss, at that point, Riiko had already annoyed my behind sooo off. She knew Naito's demise and all she can ask was 'so u can't take care of me anymore?!.......' W T F

But fr Naito's pov I totally get that he's going to say he was programmed to, that's him being considerate to that woman's 'feelings' so she won't be as 'hurt' or whatever. And his nonresponsiveness to her kiss was just not to make the goodbye any harder for both. (poor Naito) haha I mean maybe Naito has become a man for real this time, and saw more of his Riiko and how pathetic she was, yet he's CREATED to love this woman forever and ever and that totally pushed him off the edge and asked Dad y he is a robot and wanna just end his misery sooner rather than later. (not that I condone suicide...not even for robots...)

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Post by Issy » Mar 29th, '09, 10:07

wail wrote:@ Issy. Yes, Soshi was treated with less care/respect than fly on the wall in the SP. I don't really care/feel for his character all along but imo it's kinda part his fault. He didnt respect himself enough. If your fiancee still doesnt feel comfy enough to call your name..after 3+ years, get a clue. Honestly I've never seen Soshi having any memorable act of showing his love for Riiko, except just hanging around, or keeping a promise to Naito. I can let it slide in the dorama, but in the SP as fiance to that woman, and now Roboto is back to take it all back...ie he wont have his love, his marriage to be, the future as planned...and he just LET IT BE with an 'I understand'?!?! come on...that's your woman this 'thing' has come back to claim, screw that letter or whatever pact, that's btn dudes (not even), and you and Naito aren't really real buds to start out with. What's there to understand?!?! coz I'm totally lost.
but when i was watching the drama, i had the impression that she was more in love with soshi than nighto until she got comfortable with robotic love and started feeling nighto's love. now, not so sure

because in one scene where soshi confessed to reiko that he loves her , she said that she has been in love with him too.

these all makes me even more sure to believe that reiko does not deserve any of those loves. when she was with nighto she was not sure about it and when she was with soshi, she could not forget about nighto. never had any courage to admit to one love and stick with it. that is why, i was so annoyed when i was watching the drama and even more annoyed watching the SP.

as you said, soshi in the manga was her childhood friend and was always in love with her and helped her most of the times.
and to be honest, i am getting used to watching weak famale characters in mangas and dramas that make all those strong male character want to die for them for no reason.
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Post by ParadiseLost » Mar 29th, '09, 15:41

@wail: yeah well im a guy so im saying it from a man's point of view. I don't see how a robot programmed to say "Riiko I love You" is anything to get mushy and want to love him over. I def agree with you, i dont know, i just wasn't feeling this whole robot/human love triangle. Wierd subjects like that just turn me off especially the forbidden loves between student and teacher, stuff creeps me out. But hey I still like Mokomichi especially in Oh! My Girl! kinda sucks that they cancelled it :(

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Post by strawberrynkiwi » Mar 29th, '09, 18:38

^^ I have to totally agree with you, even though I am a girl. Everyone loves Naito, but not me. I liked him more in the manga, because you can't really tell he is a robot. But with Mokomichi, he acts like a robot and everything he does it robotic and program. My values are a bit different from other girls, I tend to see little flaws as something attractive in boys, it gives them character, which I didn't think Naito had much of.

Beside all that, I am obviously a Soshi fan (and Hiro fan). Soshi in the manga, not as attractive, but you still think he deserved Riiko. Soshi in the drama was not so well written. Like someone else said, your fiance is basically cheating on you and not calling you by your name after 3 years and you aren't doing anything bout it. I dunno if its just the Japanaese culture or what, its like showing any public affection is a bad thing. Which leads for me to say Riiko's kissing is terrible and the okaeri and tadema ending was even worst. Soshi and Riiko still looks like boss and worker. I actually enjoyed them bickering in the beginning of last season, I think they have chemistry, but I guess at the end of the day, they have to make it more like Riiko and Naito happy ending, even though they aren't together, and not Soshi and Riiko ending.

ahh whatever, Hiro is so hot in black jacket :wub:
I think he looks best as Soshi, then Rihito, then Nanba-senpai.

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Post by wail » Mar 29th, '09, 21:05

ahhh...paradise lost, what I like about the drama is that though it was a taboo subject, I went in totally not buying the notion, it made sense for Riiko to fall for Naito. I don't like the manga...even though I turned down my rational radar entirely and treated it as shoujo as possible...it still didnt work, I would totally use the argument of 'he's a robot, he's programmed that way,....how can u fall for that?!!?!" coz in the manga Riiko fell for Naito very promptly. In the drama at least we saw a truckload of buildup of what Naito did that would move this pathetic and square Riiko.

What doesnt work for me in the manga, was actually pretty well altered in the drama. First, Riiko is CLUELESS. She was written to be this super naive gullible nympho almost that would fall for almost any male thing that did one kind deed towards her. (so yeah, on that note, Issy, when Riiko said she loves Soshi, it's less meaning to me than seabreeze.) She did consciously use the ' robot=programmed>can't fall for him' to treat Naito as crap/scrap till maybe ep 8, 9. But then Naito developed his own consciousness by then, so what he did/said is no longer programmed. I mean if u r so strict as to not go out on that limb, then yeah, Riiko+Naito is bleh.

@strawberrynkiwi, to be frank, I'm annoyed when ppl said Moko's robot is too robotic. um...he's a robot, made entirely by the weird and quirky Namikiri who is AWKWARD (and hilirious) around ppl. What do u expect?! Manga Namikiri is one genius coy boy, here the emphasis is on how eccentric. On one hand we're slapping Naito for being all annoyingly sweet and loving just coz he's programmed to, then we're beating him for being robotic coz he's made so. Logical much?! What made the drama worked for me was Naito is crude, he's not 'perfect' in all sense of the word, but that's his charm. U see him being childish and lack normal social skills, yet stubborn beyond his program to risk everything for Riiko (fire in 5). I see flaws in him that made him charming...esp to a girl like Riiko.

errrr.... Riiko and Naito happy ending?!?@#!? W H E R E?! I mean it's fine being fangirl and all, like u said all I see Soshi and Riiko having sth going on was when bickering/baking. They worked well as pastry chef and sous chef maybe but yet as u said, u saw nth more than boss and worker...and y in any mind should making a Soshi Riiko ending worked at all?!?!

Hiro is a handsome guy, he's yummy as Rihito and his Nanba stood out, but I disliked his Soshi (yeah even the look, and esp the hair). Passive guys that proclaimed his love for a woman yet will just let her go without a serious fight turns me very off. It just showed he can either live with or without her...and is this love?! To me, Soshi knows nth much about love....same with Riiko. Maybe they do deserve each other.

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Post by strawberrynkiwi » Mar 30th, '09, 00:28

^^ That's fine with me.
It's just how I feel and also the reason why Naito didn't capture my heart. I guess the Naito in the manga, really made an impression on me, as this human-like robot. I mean I don't mind the socially awkward stuff, but the robotic body movements doesn't really flow my boat.

I guess I had to clarify what I meant with the happy ending for Naito and Riiko. In a sense that, they had to keep the fans happy, or at least less sad, with that crummy im home/im back ending. Instead of a wedding scene or a make out scene of Soshi and Riiko. That would make the Naito fans "really" sad.

PERSONALLY, I believe that is why Soshi turned out to be such a weak character here. If they made him more assertive, people would want Riiko to end up with Soshi instead of Naito. So I guess they exaggerated a little on all of the characters- Naito, Soshi and Riiko.

not here to prove anything, just purely to say how i felt bout this drama.

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Post by ParadiseLost » Mar 30th, '09, 08:56

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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Mar 30th, '09, 14:10

Ehhhh... I wish I had seen the streaming link days ago... Ah well...
I still haven't catch the SP yet, been living in real life lol...
But I've seen about five minutes of it... lol
I quite enjoy it though =D
Since my Japanese pretty much sucks...
I gotta wait for SARS-Sub before I can comment too much...
Oh well...

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Post by colyn7 » Apr 1st, '09, 11:27

Is the SP already released here on the net?

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Post by wickedvampiregirl » Apr 1st, '09, 11:38

@colyn

You can download the RAW version on d-addicts torrent. There seemed to be some seeder left.
But, for sub, you still gotta wait for SARS

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Post by avieamber » Apr 19th, '09, 13:39

is there going to be soft subs for the SP? (i know the hardsubbed is out but I have the RAW vers already....)

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