
Im taking classes and started watching JDoramas cuz i was interested, but also because it helps me study Japanese... but now I'm hooked >.<
Yeah, reading can become really difficult. Oh, I forgot to mention. My class wasn't simply reading some easy texts but some newpaper articles dealing about economy and politics. Maybe that's why I found it so hard. I mean you can pick up the daily-use-Japanese quite fast, but vocabulary about politics or economy is a tottally different matter. It's hard enough to read and understand stuff about share markets, economic crisis etc in your own language but when you have to read it in a language such as Japanese with all the Kanjis...ilot wrote:I think if you are learning Japanese to communicate. I think it's not that difficult. But when it comes to read, it might be difficult like GIXO said the pronounciation of the words different depends on the sentence's context.
When I learn Japanese, I always translate it to my mother tongue then english. I found it easier to manipulate it that way.
but on the other hand, if ur not chinese and u have decent pronounciation, ALL chinese ppl will be completely freaked out and amazed and praise u to deathCrazy Penguin wrote:@gixo
On the list after this task... Korean. I won't bother with Chinese, a Chinese friend of mine always makes fun of me when I try to pronounce it. That's extremely discouraging! *POUT!*
What's with people who take French taking Japanese too. Personally I think that French was harder! The Japanese teachers are better. You actually speak in class too.AngelicLayer wrote:I have been studying Japanese by myself for one year now! I´m dissapointed, because it doesn´t work as I wanted to. I must admit that Japanese is the most difficult language I´ve ever learnd. Even French is much easier!:-) I´m also trying the Katana but I able to write only a few, maybe about 60 marks.
So, there´s not much I can improve my Japanese JDoramas with....maybe after a long stay in Japan and hard work...but I first of all have some other stuff to learn, namely maths for my school-leaving exams, so there´s not much time to learn Japanese. Maybe I should start searching for an pan-friend from Japan! Is anybody interested?
It's hard enough to read and understand stuff about share markets, economic crisis etc in your own language
I didn't intended to make it out to be that hard. And it really isn't that hard if you go for the daily use only but it can become hard if you are aiming for a higher-level Japanesethebazel wrote:I agree with the concensus that Japanese is not one of the easiest languages to learn, but it isn't as hard as some make it out to be. The comment about the difficulty of being able to read a Japanese business newspaper didn't make much sense to me. You either know the words written or you don't. Yes, kanji have different readings depending on the word they're used in, but it isn't a guessing game cycling through the readings till you get the right one. Sure, 人 is hito alone, but in 人工 it is jin and in 人間 it is nin. And by the way 間 is aida here, 間違う ma here, and 時間 kan here. How do you know? Because you know the word. Kanji shouldn't be studied connecting picture to phonetic sounds, but rather connecting kanji to words. So your reasoning doesn't really work. Yes, you can phonetically read Je m'appele in French because it is letters you understand, but if you don't know the meaning it isn't any different than reading jinkou like this or like 人工 this. Is it a lot more work than a roman language? Of course..but if you want to learn the language you persevere.
It's hard enough to read and understand stuff about share markets, economic crisis etc in your own language
And I won't even comment on this..
yeah, looking up words are terrible. I know that there is a radical system, thank heaven for it. But if you get a bad copy of a text, full of tiny, tiny Kanjis it's hard to look them up. I mean if you have seen the Kanji before it's no problem for you to look it up, but if you haven'tthebazel wrote: Again, you're making it sound as if kanji all have multiple readings from which you have to guess when you see a word you do not know.
From your last post I see your qualm is more with the difficulty of looking up a word you do not know because of having to look up the kanji without phonetic help. Hence why there is a radical system in place. Do you have to learn the radical system to use it properly? Of course, it takes effort, but once you do it is basically the same except with a lot more "letters".![]()
As for your comment on the difficulty of language pertaining to the topic, isn't that how language works? No matter what language, there are informal, casual, and formal versions of the language. Japanese definitely has a few more "versions", but again if you study the language, you learn that. Of course professional documents will utilize the full extent of the language, but that should be more of a motivation than a deterance to studying.
I know, i know, but that doesn't make it easier to learn, does it? At least for me it's really frustrating sometimes. Anyway, I am out of university. all I am reading now are Mangaminikui wrote: But gixo, the reason that there are so many different ways of pronouncing one kanji is all the fault of chinese and its many dialects (as is the fact that there are kanji anyway ) ;D Because japanese imported the chinese words from different dialects (of the different dynasties) and since in every dialect they pronounce a kanji a bit different, the japanese pronUnciation also changed more or less =)
And of course there are words using the corean or even english/french/portugese etc pronunciation (while most of them are now being written in katakana)
But you probably knew that already oO
u can help with japanese??? how cool..maybe u can give me some guide then..yoroshiku..camui_alexa wrote:Hello!
It's great to see that so many peolpe are trying to learn a foreign language.
I love languages and their study. My native language's spanish... leared english by myself, studied Japanese and now I'm beggining with Mandarin Chinese. Oh, by the way, I'm half Chinese born in Mexico
As I study my university career, I'm also working part time, and my part time job happens to be language teaching.
I've teaching English since I was 15 and it's been already a year since I started teaching Japanese classes. So, if anyone has any questions and I may be of help to those studying Japanese, don't hesitate to ask ^_~
hontouni arigatou gozaimashita...i might bothered u every single day..is da gonna be ok???hontouni..domou..camui_alexa wrote:Of course!!
Anytime!
BTW, I'm not sure if I can come to the forums very often once I start semester, but you can always reach me at my email. I check it everyday.
ash_biam@yahoo.com.mx
Sore ja!
Not neccessarily... I've taken Japanese classes for almost a decade/minored in University... aced all of the classes, and yet my Japanese is still crap... I can watch TV and get around alright in Japan, but it's not easy... I'm better at reading stuff than anything else... so, the memorizations of characters doesn't really help with the acutal use of the language.Lifo wrote:Japanese is not hard at all, if u try at least to learn it,
it'll turn out really easy and as vietxsweeti said, if U're good at memorizing characters, it's a peice of cake =) !!
same hereMitgott wrote:I started studying Japanese at university last year and came across JDoramas accidentally. First, I just watched them for fun but then I realized that it helped me great to get better in listening comprehension. ^^ I've come to understand a lot of things said in dramas in a short time. Now I'm watching because it's helpful for my studies and I'm addicted ^^;
rikki wrote:surrealistic-destiny: haha! Just what I used to do and am currently doing...
Bit of self taught during my latter high school years and now I am starting my semester of Uni and currently selecting Japanese as my language major (with Korean or Chinese as my secondary). Just a week away until my uni semester starts.
I am currently trying to self-teach myself the Elementary Kanji, but is gonna take me a long time to get thru it. Nearly on Grade 2 Kanji
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