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[CDrama] Return Of The Condor Heroes (CCTV, 2006)

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Post by dan99 » Mar 17th, '06, 15:43

it's doubtful I'd get mine before anyone else since those in the US have a lower delivery time, not to mention the even faster delivery if you opted for it. We'll probably end up downloading a mainland rip before most of us get our copies delivered anyway.

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Post by auroragb » Mar 17th, '06, 16:28

dan99 wrote:it's doubtful I'd get mine before anyone else since those in the US have a lower delivery time, not to mention the even faster delivery if you opted for it. We'll probably end up downloading a mainland rip before most of us get our copies delivered anyway.
I'm still holding out :lol
My part 1 should arrive before your DVD's but your DVD should get there before I get part 2 ...

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Post by hogarth » Mar 17th, '06, 17:20

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They've corrected it now at the sensasian site probably due to customer's query:

ONLY Chinese subs!


http://www.sensasian.com/view/product.c ... ndor_hero/



English softsub of epi 01 (first 23 minutes) at Live-Evil by Binky & Ghostie:


http://forum.live-evil.org/index.php/to ... ,next.html


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Post by auroragb » Mar 17th, '06, 17:33

hogarth wrote:English softsub of epi 01 (first 23 minutes) at Live-Evil by Binky & Ghostie:
http://forum.live-evil.org/index.php/to ... ,next.html
I like their use of Scarlet Immortal, tho I'd personally prefer Scarlet Faery. Chi-Lian is literally fire-red-forged, but scarlet seems to carry some of the connotations that Chi-Lian does...

What do you think, Crazylife123?

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Post by ~shinigami~ » Mar 18th, '06, 05:43

Does anyone know the name and artist of the ROCH '06 theme?

If anyone has the full song or even just the theme version, can you please upload it. Pretty please. :)

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Post by collector » Mar 18th, '06, 14:32

I think if you've seen the anime version, you probably won't need english subs for the first few episodes. I've watched ep 1and2 already and it's pretty much similar to the cartoon.

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Post by of _the_fire_roots » Mar 18th, '06, 17:22

~shinigami~ wrote:Does anyone know the name and artist of the ROCH '06 theme?

If anyone has the full song or even just the theme version, can you please upload it. Pretty please. :)
no idea who the artist or what the song is called, but you can get it in my sig.

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Post by dan99 » Mar 18th, '06, 18:35

天下无双 by 张靓颖

just don't ask what that is in english.. cause.. I can't read.. sigh..

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Post by of _the_fire_roots » Mar 18th, '06, 18:59

dan99 wrote:天下无双 by 张靓颖

just don't ask what that is in english.. cause.. I can't read.. sigh..
dont be too sad. i dont know that much chinese either. :cry:

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Post by Calcifer » Mar 18th, '06, 19:12

天 = tian = Heaven/sky
下 = xia = below/down
无 = wu = no/none
双 = shuang = double

As the song goes, "this love (Yang Guo's and Xiao Long Nv's) has no double below heaven."

I've only watched the 1st ep, but it's bringing back some nice memories from She Diao Ying Xiong Zhuan. I'm liking the 1st ep better than I liked the 1st ep of the new TLBB and HSDS.

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Post by auroragb » Mar 18th, '06, 20:31

dan99 wrote:天下无双 by 张靓颖

just don't ask what that is in english.. cause.. I can't read.. sigh..
She's Zhang Jing Ying from the supergirl competition.
http://ent.sina.com.cn/s/m/f/zhangly/

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Post by ~shinigami~ » Mar 18th, '06, 23:38

of _the_fire_roots wrote:
~shinigami~ wrote:Does anyone know the name and artist of the ROCH '06 theme?

If anyone has the full song or even just the theme version, can you please upload it. Pretty please. :)
no idea who the artist or what the song is called, but you can get it in my sig.
Thanks, I've just dl'd it. :)

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Post by octane » Mar 19th, '06, 02:29

Since ROCH was my favorite novel and I love the character
小龙女, so this series become a "must watch" for me.

After watching it, I was surprise!!!
I love the way they develop 小龙女 characteristic in this version,
because in all of the old versions (eg. ROCH 83 and 95),
they focus on the cold side of 小龙女.
but from what I read in the novel,
小龙女 is just a teen who don't know and don't care
about the world, she is cold but an innocence way,
she smile and cry like any normal people
when she is facing someone she love (the only one she love).
I think this new one is pretty successful,
at least close to the 小龙女 in my mind.

The scenery are unbelievble,
make me want to visit China.
Some of the fighting scenes are great and interesting,
although some people said that there are too much gc,
but I can accept it,
since ROCH have be remake like 6 times eversince the first version,
therefore must add something new, right!
and the main meat of ROCH is LOVE, so
fighting scene is just an extra spice!

o yea, one more thing,
I don't know why everyone keep sayng that
Crystal's 小龙女 is too young for the role,
but to those that read the novel (like me),
小龙女 is suppose to look like 16-17 years old,
even when she is over 20 and look like 20 years old at age of 40.

highly recommanded,
(at least for the first half I watched, hope the second half wouldn't disappoint me)
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Post by dan99 » Mar 19th, '06, 02:57

I never understood the complaint about a 18 year old playing the role of.... surprise.. an 18 year old.. I mean.. if they complained about HXM being too old to play YG, then at least I could attempt to understand that.

Actually I was quite happy to find LESS cg effects in these fights (first half anyway) as compared to the numerous other series as of recent (from Taiwan and HK) where most of those series consisted of battles where characters simply stood facing each other (most of Twin of Brothers consisted of these types of battles) and waiting for the cg to resolve the battle for them... wire work.. I don't mind.. but at least show me something physical. I liked the fight in ep 22 (VCD or 18 in the DVD).. it was rather nicely choreo'ed, wire work.. but little cg.. hope to see more like that..

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Post by octane » Mar 19th, '06, 03:02

dan99 wrote:I never understood the complaint about a 18 year old playing the role of.... surprise.. an 18 year old.. I mean.. if they complained about HXM being too old to play YG, then at least I could attempt to understand that.

Actually I was quite happy to find LESS cg effects in these fights (first half anyway) as compared to the numerous other series as of recent (from Taiwan and HK) where most of those series consisted of battles where characters simply stood facing each other (most of Twin of Brothers consisted of these types of battles) and waiting for the cg to resolve the battle for them... wire work.. I don't mind.. but at least show me something physical. I liked the fight in ep 22 (VCD or 18 in the DVD).. it was rather nicely choreo'ed, wire work.. but little cg.. hope to see more like that..
same here.
I can accept the fighting scenes here,
because ROCH is not a Wong fei hung type story.
Flying and adding cg is ok with me,
I agree with you, I hate those type of cg, where the person just stand around
but at least this one is not and I am surprise that Crystal is pretty flexible (don't know her before ROCH)
Before watching it, I thought I am going to get those standing around type fighting scene,
because i don't usually watch China production series, and some of those that I watched are like that..
I really like this one, I have alway like the 83 ROCH, but now this one
may have just replace it.
its like a movie more than a series.

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 01:18

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 01:23

thanks for the pix!

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Post by Calcifer » Mar 20th, '06, 05:08

Wish I had more time to enjoy this, but with what I've managed to see so far, I'm really happy for Liu Yi Fei. She's doing great as Xiao Long Nv and she's got a good chance of stopping up people's mouths about her inadequacy with this performance here. I also think it's funny that people complain she's so young...like...the age that the character is. :lol Can't wait to watch more and get an opinion on Huang Xiao Ming's acting.

CG is not as polished as it could be, but it's not bad. Especially with Xiao Long Nv's nice sleeves. Young Yang Guo's Ha Ma Gong was hilarious and he's very endearing, unlike the young Yang Guo from the '83 version, whom I hardly remember.

The plot is also doing a relatively good job of recapping and telling backstory. Hope they keep it up throughout.

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 05:25

Calcifer wrote:Wish I had more time to enjoy this, but with what I've managed to see so far, I'm really happy for Liu Yi Fei. She's doing great as Xiao Long Nv and she's got a good chance of stopping up people's mouths about her inadequacy with this performance here. I also think it's funny that people complain she's so young...like...the age that the character is. :lol Can't wait to watch more and get an opinion on Huang Xiao Ming's acting.

CG is not as polished as it could be, but it's not bad. Especially with Xiao Long Nv's nice sleeves. Young Yang Guo's Ha Ma Gong was hilarious and he's very endearing, unlike the young Yang Guo from the '83 version, whom I hardly remember.

The plot is also doing a relatively good job of recapping and telling backstory. Hope they keep it up throughout.
too bad some people aren't willing to let go of the past series...they bad mouth this series and lyf no matter what... :glare:

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 05:37

crazylife123 wrote:
Calcifer wrote:Wish I had more time to enjoy this, but with what I've managed to see so far, I'm really happy for Liu Yi Fei. She's doing great as Xiao Long Nv and she's got a good chance of stopping up people's mouths about her inadequacy with this performance here. I also think it's funny that people complain she's so young...like...the age that the character is. :lol Can't wait to watch more and get an opinion on Huang Xiao Ming's acting.

CG is not as polished as it could be, but it's not bad. Especially with Xiao Long Nv's nice sleeves. Young Yang Guo's Ha Ma Gong was hilarious and he's very endearing, unlike the young Yang Guo from the '83 version, whom I hardly remember.

The plot is also doing a relatively good job of recapping and telling backstory. Hope they keep it up throughout.
too bad some people aren't willing to let go of the past series...they bad mouth this series and lyf no matter what... :glare:
I agree, especially those chinese bbs, they are "crazy", basically they can pick on anything in the series.
If lyf have facial expression, they say her character was not suppose to do that.
If she don't, they say she act like a wood

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Post by liltennisdudexx » Mar 20th, '06, 05:46

I certanly think LYF already did a great job in the first half of this serie. Somehow i feel she even acts better than those pervious XLNs in some sence, especially in loveless valley and when DG was still a child.
Well CG sence is a draw back imo, but the acting makes uo for it nicely .
I am quite satisfied with what has been shown till now , and I hope it will continue this trend through out the second half.

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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 05:47

i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98 )
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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 05:51

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
lacks of grace? some people say she had too much...LoL

in fight scenes she looks really good...better than past XLN. she has the advantage over the others since she has dance background...and she super flexible...LoL...as you can see from the above pix...

btw...i think you're talking about fann wong...not too many people are fond of that XLN. People either like Idy or Carmen.
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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 05:51

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
singapore version...hmm..... :scratch:

o...范文芳 right?

I saw that version too. (since I kinda crazy of ROCH, so basically I watch all the versions,
including the weird taiwan version back in 98).

I know some people like 范文芳 version,
but personally, I find her too mature for the role
(since like I said before, little dragon girl suppose to look like 15-16)
other than that, I thought her character development was similar to this
new one, less cold!
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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 05:55

crazylife123 wrote:
Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
lacks of grace? some people say she had too much...LoL

in fight scenes she looks really good...better than past XLN. she has the advantage over the others since she has dance background...and she super flexible...LoL...as you can see from the above pix...

btw...i think you're talking about fann wong...not too many people are fond of that XLN. People either like Idy or Carmen.
do you have a pic of fann wong??

and i'm sure ppl who say she has too much grace are all guys ^.^
but seriously, she is definetly not the XLN i pictured when i read the book. To me, her facial features just don't quite fit into the picture :/
i don't think she did a very good job in Xian Jian, however, her Jin Fen Shi Jia was pretty good..
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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 05:57

Orase_Yanagi wrote:
crazylife123 wrote:
Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
lacks of grace? some people say she had too much...LoL

in fight scenes she looks really good...better than past XLN. she has the advantage over the others since she has dance background...and she super flexible...LoL...as you can see from the above pix...

btw...i think you're talking about fann wong...not too many people are fond of that XLN. People either like Idy or Carmen.
do you have a pic??
what pix are you referring to?

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Post by Calcifer » Mar 20th, '06, 05:57

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
Yeah, that would be Fann Wang/Wong. I like her too from seeing her in other series, but compared to Liu Yi Fei's overall stage presence, hers can be a bit severe (she has a formidable glare). LYF has the right mix of innocence, command and elegance that works for me so far.

I do agree that Shen Diao Xia Lv '06 almost is going overboard with LYF's dance-like pivots and turns of the head and flicks of the sleeves and wrists. I don't know how you can get more graceful and still have bones.

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 05:59

Orase_Yanagi wrote:
crazylife123 wrote:
Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
lacks of grace? some people say she had too much...LoL

in fight scenes she looks really good...better than past XLN. she has the advantage over the others since she has dance background...and she super flexible...LoL...as you can see from the above pix...

btw...i think you're talking about fann wong...not too many people are fond of that XLN. People either like Idy or Carmen.
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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 06:00

hehe thanks :D
dat's the one.. i really liked that one

hey how much on 10 would u guys give to ROCH 06?

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 06:03

Orase_Yanagi wrote:hehe thanks :D
dat's the one.. i really liked that one

hey how much on 10 would u guys give to ROCH 06?
I haven't watch the second half, but the first half, I give it 8.5.

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 06:04

Calcifer wrote:
Orase_Yanagi wrote:i find that Liu Yi Fei lacks of grace unlike the person playing in the singapour version of Condor Heroes (unfortunately i don't know her name... i think it was made in 98)
Yeah, that would be Fann Wang/Wong. I like her too from seeing her in other series, but compared to Liu Yi Fei's overall stage presence, hers can be a bit severe (she has a formidable glare). LYF has the right mix of innocence, command and elegance that works for me so far.

I do agree that Shen Diao Xia Lv '06 almost is going overboard with LYF's dance-like pivots and turns of the head and flicks of the sleeves and wrists. I don't know how you can get more graceful and still have bones.
Calcifer...people aren't use to the young XLN. Some people still think XLN suppose to look older than Yang Guo. They're used to the old series.

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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 06:07

i have to agree...
the last few Wu Xia series that mainland china made turned out to be a disaster. I just hope that the second part is comaprable to the first
92k ppl currently dling ROCH 06!!!!

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 06:14

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i have to agree...
the last few Wu Xia series that mainland china made turned out to be a disaster. I just hope that the second part is comaprable to the first
92k ppl currently dling ROCH 06!!!!
actually, people say that the mainland verison of
天龙八部 is the best.
since I haven't watch it, so can't comment on it.
but from this ROCH, I really can see the improvement in
mainland production, and why I give up on the tvb
production from Hong Kong on the first place :P

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 06:16

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i have to agree...
the last few Wu Xia series that mainland china made turned out to be a disaster. I just hope that the second part is comaprable to the first
92k ppl currently dling ROCH 06!!!!
Mainland China? Are you sure? I'm positive it was HK instead. Jin Yong banned HK's productions from using his work.

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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 06:17

i havent seen any other Tian Long so i can't compare
i only read the book.

i think Hu Jun was really good along with Chen Hao. As for everyone else... really nothing special

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 06:20

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i havent seen any other Tian Long so i can't compare
i only read the book.

i think Hu Jun was really good along with Chen Hao. As for everyone else... really nothing special
I personally don't really like the story (even from the original novel), that's way I didn't
bother dling it in the first place :P

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 06:20

Orase_Yanagi wrote:i havent seen any other Tian Long so i can't compare
i only read the book.

i think Hu Jun was really good along with Chen Hao. As for everyone else... really nothing special
so old does XLN suppose to look like from the novel?

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Post by Calcifer » Mar 20th, '06, 06:20

I watched the Idy/Andy version of ROCH so I know how that version portrayed Xiao Long Nv (only saw a bit of the Fann version so I can't comment) but the way the story was told in the 83 make didn't interest me much. I had no sympathy for either character and felt Idy was very icy and hard to like. Guess I was still too intrigued with Yang Kang at the time to care about his son's story. :P

Mainland's Lian Cheng Jue was very enjoyable, faithful or not to the original story. I hear TLBB was also considered a success in the general population and many people adore Mainland's Xiao Ao Jiang Hu as well.

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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 06:21

heh i like Tian Long..
the biggest disaster was Xian Jian tho... i was really sad since i grew up with that game that i played a countless number of times and the serie just ruined it for me

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 06:22

Calcifer wrote:I watched the Idy/Andy version of ROCH so I know how that version portrayed Xiao Long Nv (only saw a bit of the Fann version so I can't comment) but the way the story was told in the 83 make didn't interest me much. I had no sympathy for either character and felt Idy was very icy and hard to like. Guess I was still too intrigued with Yang Kang at the time to care about his son's story. :P

Mainland's Lian Cheng Jue was very enjoyable, faithful or not to the original story. I hear TLBB was also considered a success in the general population and many people adore Mainland's Xiao Ao Jiang Hu as well.
I believe ROCH '83 and '95 followed the 1st edition and '98 and '06 followed the 3rd edition. however, i could be wrong with '98...not sure when the 3rd editon was published.

XLN is much more warmer in the 3rd. Jin Yong didnt want her to be a robot with no emotions...

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Post by Orase_Yanagi » Mar 20th, '06, 06:23

Calcifer wrote:I watched the Idy/Andy version of ROCH so I know how that version portrayed Xiao Long Nv (only saw a bit of the Fann version so I can't comment) but the way the story was told in the 83 make didn't interest me much. I had no sympathy for either character and felt Idy was very icy and hard to like. Guess I was still too intrigued with Yang Kang at the time to care about his son's story. :P

Mainland's Lian Cheng Jue was very enjoyable, faithful or not to the original story. I hear TLBB was also considered a success in the general population and many people adore Mainland's Xiao Ao Jiang Hu as well.
that's odd... when i went back to china all i heard was bad things... i find it that it pleases ppl outside of china much more
i didn't have any major issues with TLBB nor XAJH
i did hate Yi Tian Tu Long, Shen Diao, Xian Jian

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 06:29

crazylife123 wrote:
Calcifer wrote:I watched the Idy/Andy version of ROCH so I know how that version portrayed Xiao Long Nv (only saw a bit of the Fann version so I can't comment) but the way the story was told in the 83 make didn't interest me much. I had no sympathy for either character and felt Idy was very icy and hard to like. Guess I was still too intrigued with Yang Kang at the time to care about his son's story. :P

Mainland's Lian Cheng Jue was very enjoyable, faithful or not to the original story. I hear TLBB was also considered a success in the general population and many people adore Mainland's Xiao Ao Jiang Hu as well.
I believe ROCH '83 and '95 followed the 1st edition and '98 and '06 followed the 3rd edition. however, i could be wrong with '98...not sure when the 3rd editon was published.

XLN is much more warmer in the 3rd. Jin Yong didnt want her to be a robot with no emotions...
actually, Little dragon girl was suppose to look like 15-16 even in the first editions. the newest edition, they lowered the different between Little Dragon and Yang to two years compare to before 4 years different (the new one, the authro cutted out some paragraph that describe how young Little dragon girl look like).

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Post by octane » Mar 20th, '06, 06:32

Orase_Yanagi wrote:
Calcifer wrote:I watched the Idy/Andy version of ROCH so I know how that version portrayed Xiao Long Nv (only saw a bit of the Fann version so I can't comment) but the way the story was told in the 83 make didn't interest me much. I had no sympathy for either character and felt Idy was very icy and hard to like. Guess I was still too intrigued with Yang Kang at the time to care about his son's story. :P

Mainland's Lian Cheng Jue was very enjoyable, faithful or not to the original story. I hear TLBB was also considered a success in the general population and many people adore Mainland's Xiao Ao Jiang Hu as well.
that's odd... when i went back to china all i heard was bad things... i find it that it pleases ppl outside of china much more
i didn't have any major issues with TLBB nor XAJH
i did hate Yi Tian Tu Long, Shen Diao, Xian Jian
its like that in china, even before the series came out, people are already giving bad comment about the artists and actor, director etc. But now as the series come out, those kind of voice are becoming less. At least I know people that are fans of the novel, not the fans of old version, mostly like it.

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Post by Calcifer » Mar 20th, '06, 06:55

Orase_Yanagi wrote:heh i like Tian Long..
the biggest disaster was Xian Jian tho... i was really sad since i grew up with that game that i played a countless number of times and the serie just ruined it for me
To me, Xian Jian can't be considered with these series. That's like comparing movies like The Promise or Legend of Zu with Duel to the Death or Shaolin Temple. All fiction, yes, but I'm sure you know why I'd think of the 1st two as separate from the 2nd two. Xian Jian's pretty much straight fantasy/magic/神话, but when I watch something that calls itself wuxia, I expect a background in reality.

Also, people often forget that an adaptation is just that: an adaptation. It's meant to stand alone, to be judged with other series, otherwise why bother taking the story to a new medium if you just want a carbon copy of the original story? I think that for any series adaptation, if it can make someone who doesn't already know the story understand the plot, know the characters and fall into the story without completely butchering the spirit/gist of the original (here I'm talking about adaptations like the horrific Quest for the Sutra that destroys the Xi You Ji plot), that's the biggest success it can be.

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Post by auroragb » Mar 20th, '06, 07:27

octane wrote:Some behind the scene pictures:
anyone notice, in the reading pic that the script looked like it was in english? If so, getting that would solve our subbing problems :lol

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 20th, '06, 07:29

auroragb wrote:
octane wrote:Some behind the scene pictures:
anyone notice, in the reading pic that the script looked like it was in english? If so, getting that would solve our subbing problems :lol
LoL...that would help a lot!

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Post by dan99 » Mar 20th, '06, 08:19

I give it an 8.5 for the first half.. don't get me wrong.. I like it better then every other version.. it's just that I'm nitpicky and I saw a number of minor goofs and problems.. also wish they had a bigger budget for cg.. some I can accept.. some I couldn't.. much love on some of those fight scenes though...

watch Love of May if you want to see LYF stretch and her flexibility.. and I liked her in the role of XLN.. I saw improvements in acting compared to when she did her first series.. understandable though since she had zero experience then.. and I can't stand the idea of complaining about her age cause she's playing someone of the same age.. go complain about YG looking too old (though he does later in the story anyway) or that the older versions had women too old to play the character.. sheesh...

Older versions of this story were far less emotional.. the 83.. oh how I struggled to like it... but the wooden acting just ruined it for me.. except the top 5.. those guys knew their stuff.. I remember watching the wedding scene... totally emotionless... talking about her rape... heck.. she didn't really seem to care that it happened... 95 was better in this department over the 83... I just felt the 95 version lacked nice fights.. and above all else.. character and relationship development.. I didn't really see why they were so attached to each other cause they sure didn't have any intimate scenes together...

LYF's first series.. didn't like the era.. skimmed it and passed on it..
xian jian, cute stuff through first part.. hated the plot though..
TLBB.. I liked... some stuff could have been improved upon.. but again.. nitpicking..

sorry, long post, and yes.. I'm bored again..

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Post by dan99 » Mar 20th, '06, 15:46

http://www.jm558.com/Software/Catalog59/8698.html

DVD ep 21, avi format.. oddly cut into 7 smaller files, downloaded the first file and it's real. Haven't seen the other eps as of yet though.

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Post by xuantocdo » Mar 21st, '06, 02:08

Any clubboxes out there that has this series?

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Post by octane » Mar 21st, '06, 06:26

dan99 wrote:http://www.jm558.com/Software/Catalog59/8698.html

DVD ep 21, avi format.. oddly cut into 7 smaller files, downloaded the first file and it's real. Haven't seen the other eps as of yet though.
22 is out too.
the person who's seeding is LYF fans.

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Post by LiarLiar » Mar 21st, '06, 07:42

Can you show me the link of 22, Thank.

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Post by octane » Mar 21st, '06, 07:47

LiarLiar wrote:Can you show me the link of 22, Thank.
is LYF's fans website, in chinese
the video that rip directly from the DVD, both file avi,
21 don't have subtitle, 22 have traditional chinese subtitle

http://www.liuyifei.org/bbs/index.asp?boardid=6

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PS> 25 to 28 (I think vcd-rip) is out too...dling

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Post by dan99 » Mar 21st, '06, 08:58

octane wrote:
LiarLiar wrote:Can you show me the link of 22, Thank.
is LYF's fans website, in chinese
the video that rip directly from the DVD, both file avi,
21 don't have subtitle, 22 have traditional chinese subtitle

http://www.liuyifei.org/bbs/index.asp?boardid=6

(need to register)

PS> 25 to 28 (I think vcd-rip) is out too...dling
Got it.. thanks for the heads up though.. :salut:

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Post by dan99 » Mar 21st, '06, 11:28

up to 37 now..

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Post by nothingisimpossible » Mar 21st, '06, 13:58

Hey Guys i really need some help here....anybody knows when will part 2 of ROCH come out?If its already out please put the link here or PM me...thx

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Post by dan99 » Mar 21st, '06, 14:50

it's out.. there's not enough to confirm if it's real or not.. but at least it goes up to 48.. I'll let people know when I can confirm

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Post by extraminion » Mar 21st, '06, 15:24

any idea when english sub will be release ?

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Post by auroragb » Mar 21st, '06, 19:47

I'm happy to report that I've finally received part one of the Zoke ROCH DVDs. Below are my impression of the set. This is strictly a review of the media, NOT of the actual drama.

Specs:
20 episodes / 7 DVD-5's / ~4-6Mbps VBR / 720x576 / Chinese hardsubs / 384 kbps 6 ch audio
Apparently the info on the web site that there are 24 episodes spread across 7 DVDs was incorrect. Like the Taiseng DVDs, there are 41 episodes on the DVD (matching the broadcast length). The first half has 20 episodes spread across 7 disks. The episodes across the disks are 1-2/3-5/6-8/9-11/12-14/15-17/18-20. Presumably, the second half will have 21 episodes with 3 episodes / disks.

Packaging: 4/10
The box is WAY too big for the contents. It is one of the type of boxes for the old style VCD sets and could have easily fit 20-30 VCD/DVDs. It is contained in another paper box with essentially the same graphics as the content. A bit redundant, would have been nice if they used some different graphics. The graphics were nice tho.

Inside, the DVD's are held in one of the same kind of flimsy DVD holders that were used for VCDs. As there were only 7 DVDs, it fit nicely into one page. But since the material was flimsy, the DVDs were falling out of the pages. I decided to take one of my own DVD binder pages and use that instead.

Video quality: 8/10
Tho the video was 720x576, the video is actually letterboxed, so the actual video is about 720x400. For some reason, the video was hard subbed with the Chinese subtitles. Thankfully, the subs were in the black part of the screen, so were easy to ignore. Zoke used a high bit-rate for encoding. In fact, it's among the highest bit-rate that I've ever seen for a series. However, the picture quality wasn't quite as high as I would have thought that such a high bit rate would provide.

For example, comparing it with the series I purchased from ETTV, I think it's quality was actually a bit lower. When I zoom a ETTV DVD to full screen, the image is smooth, but it was not the case with this. Maybe it's a matter of aspect ratio, ETTV probably uses a 4:3 ratio, where as this was 5:4. On the other hand, my monitor is 1280x1024, so the aspect ratio should be easier... I spent about half an hour trying various players, powerDVD, mpc, etc, but the result was fairly consistant. At least I did not notice any serious artifacts in fast motion, so that's good. So, the video quality was good, but not great.

The audio was 6 channel, but I didn't have a set-up to properly take advantage of it, so I can't say much more than that it sounded more like a movie disk than a usual TV disk. Which was kinda weird because I knew I was watching a TV show, but the audio was "different".

I've noticed that the version on the net is 640x400, this is a strange video aspect as the content should probably be 720x400, I wonder if they cropped the side of the video or something. Maybe I'll download an episode and find out ...

Menus/extras: 6/10
One thing I always like about Chinese DVDs is that they are more hassle-free than American DVDs. American DVD producer have the belief that: "Since I spent the $$$$ to make the menus, you'd better watch it"; often making it so that you can't skip directly to the content. Whereas, on Chinese DVDs, the menus are skipped if you just play the DVD, after about 2 minutes of commercials, it goes to the show. This is a Good Thing, especially for the elderly, who just want to pop it in and have it work. I always have to play the role of the human remote control in my house, and that is just annoying.

Also, there did not seem to be 20 minutes of commercials that you'd find in the beginning of some shows. Tian Wai Fei Xian comes to mind. The first episode of each disk always has 20+ minutes of trailers, so you have to fast forward thru it (can't chapter skip, because the chapter marker is on the next episode :cussing: ). There was about a couple minutes of stuff and went to the show.

As is standard on DVD's there is a chapter navigator (yes, I know, many Chinese budget ones don't). However, I did not like that they split each episode onto it's own menu page. It's not as if there are 20 episodes on the disk, just two or three! So, it could have easily been put on one menu page. Instead, if you want to go to the second chapter of the third ep, you'll have to navigate to the page that the third episode's chapters are on and navigate to the chapter, quite annoying. It's probably faster to just use the chapter skip function on your DVD player.

Overall value: 6/10
Now to the rant, I think that it was a poor choice to use 14 DVD5's as opposed to 8 DVD9s, looking at the size of the content and bit-rate used, it could easily have fit on 8 DVD9s, as Taiseng did (from what I hear). So if that is true, then the Taiseng version is the better deal ($40 in stores $48.99 on yesasia) because it's fewer disks and you don't have to split and wait for the 2nd half. I probably would have given a 7/10, but there seems to be a clearly better version from Taiseng for about the same price, so I dropped it to 6.

Keep in mind, that this is a review and rating of the media ONLY, not including the content

Now I have to wait 2 more weeks to get the second half!! :cussing: :cussing:

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Post by hogarth » Mar 21st, '06, 19:59

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Yeahhhhh, the VCD rip of epi 25-48 can be found here:


http://bbs.ysyn.org/read.php?tid=184&fpage=1

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Post by Kumaxell » Mar 22nd, '06, 15:12

I can't believe it. I'm actually reading the book. This drama is so good, it makes me read a wuxia novel. A wuxia! I never thought this day would happen. Seriously, I have no imagination and no grand delusion of being a daxia. But this drama has me paging through 4 volumes of "ROCH." (Kind of reminded me of my obsessed days for Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.)

I just bought the US version DVD. Now, I just have to wait a month before it gets to me.

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Post by auroragb » Mar 22nd, '06, 15:16

Kumaxell wrote:I can't believe it. I'm actually reading the book. This drama is so good, it makes me read a wuxia novel. A wuxia! I never thought this day would happen. Seriously, I have no imagination and no grand delusion of being a daxia. But this drama has me paging through 4 volumes of "ROCH." (Kind of reminded me of my obsessed days for Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.)

I just bought the US version DVD. Now, I just have to wait a month before it gets to me.
You shoulda just gone to Chinatown, would have been faster and cheaper :lol

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Post by octane » Mar 23rd, '06, 03:21

I finish watching the second half..
I find the biggest flaw was that some of the cut was kinda weird,
as a result, some part of the story doesn't link and seem to be jumping around.

Since, personally, I don't really like the part after 16 years,
even in the novel, so don't want to comment about it, or else,
I may be bias.

I think they can do a better job especially on the part where
they finally meet each other after 16 years and fix up some of the small
details.

Overall, I like this version ROCH, although there are some parts
that they can do better, but I sitll like this version the most, really hope
they'll release an uncut version, because I heard they the initial verison is
52 episodes, and now they cut down to 44 ep.

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 23rd, '06, 03:24

octane wrote:I finish watching the second half..
I find the biggest flaw was that the
some of the cut was kinda weird,
as a result, the some part of the story doesn't link.
Since, personally, I don' really like the part after 16 years,
even in the novel, so don't want to comment about it, or else,
I may be bias.

I think they can do a better job especially on the part where
they finally meet each other after 16 years.

overall, I like this version ROCH, although there are some part
that they can do better, but I sitll like this version the most, really hope
they'll release an uncut version, because I heard they the initial verison is
52 episodes, and now they cut to 44 ep.
Yeah, a lot of scenes were cut. Jin Yong is the only one has the uncut version right now. Hopefully, he'll make it into a special edition. most likely, they'll do it later on this year...they did it with Tian Long Ba Bu.

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Post by octane » Mar 23rd, '06, 03:55

crazylife123 wrote:
octane wrote:I finish watching the second half..
I find the biggest flaw was that the
some of the cut was kinda weird,
as a result, the some part of the story doesn't link.
Since, personally, I don' really like the part after 16 years,
even in the novel, so don't want to comment about it, or else,
I may be bias.

I think they can do a better job especially on the part where
they finally meet each other after 16 years.

overall, I like this version ROCH, although there are some part
that they can do better, but I sitll like this version the most, really hope
they'll release an uncut version, because I heard they the initial verison is
52 episodes, and now they cut to 44 ep.
Yeah, a lot of scenes were cut. Jin Yong is the only one has the uncut version right now. Hopefully, he'll make it into a special edition. most likely, they'll do it later on this year...they did it with Tian Long Ba Bu.
really?
let's cross our finger for it.

tian long ba bu is cut too?
I really didn't know ..thanks for telling.....

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 23rd, '06, 04:04

octane wrote:
crazylife123 wrote:
octane wrote:I finish watching the second half..
I find the biggest flaw was that the
some of the cut was kinda weird,
as a result, the some part of the story doesn't link.
Since, personally, I don' really like the part after 16 years,
even in the novel, so don't want to comment about it, or else,
I may be bias.

I think they can do a better job especially on the part where
they finally meet each other after 16 years.

overall, I like this version ROCH, although there are some part
that they can do better, but I sitll like this version the most, really hope
they'll release an uncut version, because I heard they the initial verison is
52 episodes, and now they cut to 44 ep.
Yeah, a lot of scenes were cut. Jin Yong is the only one has the uncut version right now. Hopefully, he'll make it into a special edition. most likely, they'll do it later on this year...they did it with Tian Long Ba Bu.
really?
let's cross our finger for it.

tian long ba bu is cut too?
I really didn't know ..thanks for telling.....
on the snowy mountain where yang guo met the beggar sect leader and his god father...did you see a scene where yang guo and the beggar sect leader ate centipedes?

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Post by octane » Mar 23rd, '06, 04:53

crazylife123 wrote:
octane wrote:
crazylife123 wrote:
Yeah, a lot of scenes were cut. Jin Yong is the only one has the uncut version right now. Hopefully, he'll make it into a special edition. most likely, they'll do it later on this year...they did it with Tian Long Ba Bu.
really?
let's cross our finger for it.

tian long ba bu is cut too?
I really didn't know ..thanks for telling.....
on the snowy mountain where yang guo met the beggar sect leader and his god father...did you see a scene where yang guo and the beggar sect leader ate centipedes?
nope...

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Post by octane » Mar 23rd, '06, 05:20

I think the part where little dragon girl suppose to fight the
7 guys + the golden wheel king, got cutted.
because can't really tell how she got hurt, and I
was really looking forward to that, because suppose to be
a climate...

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Post by crazylife123 » Mar 23rd, '06, 05:36

octane wrote:I think the part where little dragon girl suppose to fight the
7 guys + the golden wheel king, got cutted.
because can't really tell how she got hurt, and I
was really looking forward to that, because suppose to be
a climate...
have you watch that clip? I have it. they uploaded the clip on the official website...they took that out as well...there are so many clips that are missing.

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Post by octane » Mar 23rd, '06, 05:58

crazylife123 wrote:
octane wrote:I think the part where little dragon girl suppose to fight the
7 guys + the golden wheel king, got cutted.
because can't really tell how she got hurt, and I
was really looking forward to that, because suppose to be
a climate...
have you watch that clip? I have it. they uploaded the clip on the official website...they took that out as well...there are so many clips that are missing.
really...can I have please@@

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Post by skachild » Mar 23rd, '06, 12:33

agree with u all.. alot of the scene have been cut..!!!! :cussing:
but never mind.. really enjoy this drama.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
one of the best ROCH i have seen(if u compare with the other ROCH ver) :P :P

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Post by neotrix » Mar 23rd, '06, 14:24

someone upload that clip pls/.

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Post by Kumaxell » Mar 23rd, '06, 15:04

Yeah, the editing was way off.
At one point, YG was calling SLN "Long'Er," and another, he was again calling her "gugu." When I was watching it, I didn't understand why he would ever call her "Long'Er." Then, the wedding scene put everything in perspective. It was bad editing. They probably took a clip from a later scene and planted in the earlier part of the story.

Their first part (ep 1-24) was great over all. I don't understand how the second part got so crappy (editing wise).

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Post by octane » Mar 23rd, '06, 16:50

Kumaxell wrote:Yeah, the editing was way off.
At one point, YG was calling SLN "Long'Er," and another, he was again calling her "gugu." When I was watching it, I didn't understand why he would ever call her "Long'Er." Then, the wedding scene put everything in perspective. It was bad editing. They probably took a clip from a later scene and planted in the earlier part of the story.

Their first part (ep 1-24) was great over all. I don't understand how the second part got so crappy (editing wise).
heard they have to shorten the series to around 40 episodes
because of a new law in mainland.
they initially had 52 episodes.
I think that's the second part,
the cuttings are off.

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audio songs?

Post by Freedom87 » Mar 23rd, '06, 16:56

do anyone know where do i get the ending song for ROCH ?
i liked the song:D

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