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KBS and SBS war against piracy of copyrighted material

Post by OosakiNana707 » Feb 4th, '10, 02:52

Ok guys I think this notice concern to all of us here in D-addicts Forum, Why? Well because all of us here watch Korean Dramas. Today allkpop announced this note in its website, below I posted the entire information.

Have you been pirating and downloading your favorite dramas online? If so, this will perhaps be devastating for you.

KBS and SBS have revealed to the press on the 4th, that they have sent an official warning to 54 P2P websites, that have been illegally sharing their copyrighted materials.

The warning requests that distribution of illegal content be immediately ceased however, continued distribution of the content will be allowed if those websites agree to follow the copyright protection laws. In the case that the sites do not meet an agreement with KBS and SBS, legal action will be taken.

It’s about time.

source: allkpop

The huge question here is....
If this proceed. How we going to watch our Dramas now?

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Post by ayaseharukaftw » Feb 4th, '10, 03:12

If they take down every p2p site there's going to be some other place to get your fix. I'm thinking along the lines of a private IRC channels with XDCC bots :)

Anyway I think international fans can plea "fair use" since their product is not made available to us which implies they would never make a profit off us anyway. I guess they would rather force us to buy overpriced DVDs

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Post by bjharm » Feb 4th, '10, 03:37

Frankly its not the price of any DVD that is the worry so much but the quality of the English subs provided, at lest with fan subs you are pretty well certain of getting very good ones that both match what is said but also, and just as important, the meaning behind those words.

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Post by OosakiNana707 » Feb 4th, '10, 03:48

Well, yeah, DVD the will force us to buy expensive DVD's. And Im agree with Frankly, English Subs has a really bad quality, but thats no the only point, no all the people who watch Kdrama speaks English, thats why the fansubs translate them into their native language, and I dont think that KBS or SBS will release those DVD's in other languages like Spanish, Polish, French, Italian, or whatever language, so no only the US community, but the entire world.... Well just hope that they're just scare us a little....Because I dont know what I will do without Drama :P

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Post by aeo » Feb 21st, '10, 12:03

I agree. My friend bought Immortal Yi Soon Shin and Emperor of the Sea on Amazon.com and when we watched it, the subs were totally crap. It was then that I really appreciated all the hard work that these fan subbers do on all the dramas that I watch.

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Post by Riea » Feb 22nd, '10, 21:42

ayaseharukaftw wrote:If they take down every p2p site there's going to be some other place to get your fix. I'm thinking along the lines of a private IRC channels with XDCC bots :)

Anyway I think international fans can plea "fair use" since their product is not made available to us which implies they would never make a profit off us anyway. I guess they would rather force us to buy overpriced DVDs
While I'm unsure of every country's copyright laws.. to my understanding in accordance to s.107 of the US Copyright Law (title 17 of the US code).. "fair use" applies to research, teaching, news reporting, etc. Therefore, there is no "fair use" due to restricted availability.. in fact the defence of limited/restricted access only applies to distance education/learning...

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Post by Neliets » Feb 22nd, '10, 22:15

I`ve seen enough dramas. I`m not too consorned.

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Post by seirin » Feb 22nd, '10, 23:46

aeo wrote:I agree. My friend bought Immortal Yi Soon Shin and Emperor of the Sea on Amazon.com and when we watched it, the subs were totally crap. It was then that I really appreciated all the hard work that these fan subbers do on all the dramas that I watch.
If you bought it from amazon.com. Chances are, they're pirated DVDs and subbed by people from China or somewhere in Asia. Or they're stolen subs from fansubbers and sold there like ebay.

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Post by Ethlenn » Feb 23rd, '10, 00:05

Neliets wrote:I`ve seen enough dramas. I`m not too consorned.
Well, I'm still with my face towards the future. Every month I bikkuri sarete (sorry, I forgot the word) :mrgreen:
I'm still waiting for some more, and I guess that lies ahead on my path.

I'm in poetic mood today, damn it! :salut:

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Post by melonyhappy » Feb 23rd, '10, 00:07

I'd probably stream. Or find bootlegs if I really liked it. But I tend to agree that fansubbers' english are usually better than what I can find off the street. I would get the legit stuff it didn't break my bank. American shows are a lot cheaper. I've bought a boxset of 8 seasons of an american series for $130 cdn (ok it was half off). Popular korean shows that are 16 episodes can hover around $100 off of yesasia.

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Post by OosakiNana707 » Feb 23rd, '10, 01:17

Yeahhh I know....... I was trying to buy Coffee Prince and You're Beautiful from yesasia, and you have to pay through the nose for them!!!..... I know they will be in better quality and that stuff, but really... I dont have the dough to pay for DVD's that might have terrible subtitles!!!

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Post by Riea » Feb 23rd, '10, 23:38

There isn't much I actually like enough to buy and generally imports are more expensive... but looking at the yesasia prices... (coffee prince since someone mentioned it) it's.... $39.99US.. which is.. like $2.50 per ep (is it 16 eps? I don't recall) or like putting $5 away for a week (8 days). I don't see how this price is really all that unreasonable... now if it was $200+ like the Japanese imports.. then yeah.. that would be slightly might be considered a bit much... but...

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Post by Ethlenn » Feb 24th, '10, 00:42

Coffee Prince: 17 eps+ Special. Anyway, plus shipping fees. I paid for some dramas and it was twice as much. 40$ isn't much, but it's a "raw" price, you have to include tax (yes), and fees. That will make around 60-70 $. Pricey as for me.

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Post by Riea » Feb 24th, '10, 23:52

Ethlenn wrote:Coffee Prince: 17 eps+ Special. Anyway, plus shipping fees. I paid for some dramas and it was twice as much. 40$ isn't much, but it's a "raw" price, you have to include tax (yes), and fees. That will make around 60-70 $. Pricey as for me.
I'm not saying it isn't pricey for some people... it was more just a reaction towards people claiming it was "bank breaking" or sounding like you had to sell organs to be able to afford these dvds. I used to save allowances for weeks to buy $150+tax+shipping anime box sets... so I totally understand. But this was many years ago... and after inflation.. even $150 isn't much these days.... continuing on with my point...

Yesasia has a $39+ = free shipping (its only $2.99+ 1.00 per item to ship anyway) to most locations setup for most discs I've looked at... for taxes (yesasia says I'm not charged taxes.. but if I were) in Toronto we pay 13%.. = $5.2.. that's $45.20... US to CDN dollar conversion rate (today's) means it costs $47.61 even with shipping.. that's $51.60). Night out at the movies for 2 or dinner with friends probably costs more then this. Since lunch costs me like $10 these days (damn inflation!).. that's a week of bringing lunch instead of buying... I'm still not seeing "bank breaking".

Course the subs could totally suck and the dvd quality crap... but that's a totally different reason...

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Post by Ethlenn » Feb 25th, '10, 00:02

I have some of my dramas on DVD, but comparing the prices and my wage - still not affordable. I buy only dramas I've seen, so that I know what I'm expecting. I wouldn't buy an unknown one. So, we return to the main point. I have to see before I buy? How can I see? By downloading. Sure, I pay for Clubbox, but I'm not sure money goes to artists, you know. And it would be OK with me if I had to pay, like for mp3, small amounts for downloading. Under one condition - money directly for the artist. It could be small amount, like 1$ for an episode, but still TV stations would have made millions.
I don't know why they're not doing this and instead they focus on targeting ordinary people who can't watch dramas in "legal" way and buy them.

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Post by OosakiNana707 » Feb 25th, '10, 01:58

Thats right!!!!....... Im totally agree with u Ethlenn.... that will be a great Idea, tough.. a buck for a cap, it will be fine.. In the other hand, Me too I just want to buy Dramas that I really want to have like YAB or Coffee Prince, dramas that I know they're worth value to have them on DVD, thats what I used to do with the Japanese Anime and Manga... I bought them If the Anime or Manga was worth to have it, in the other way well no... And in that way I think is Ok..!! ^.^

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Post by Riea » Feb 25th, '10, 18:50

Ethlenn wrote:I have some of my dramas on DVD, but comparing the prices and my wage - still not affordable. I buy only dramas I've seen, so that I know what I'm expecting. I wouldn't buy an unknown one. So, we return to the main point. I have to see before I buy? How can I see? By downloading. Sure, I pay for Clubbox, but I'm not sure money goes to artists, you know. And it would be OK with me if I had to pay, like for mp3, small amounts for downloading. Under one condition - money directly for the artist. It could be small amount, like 1$ for an episode, but still TV stations would have made millions.
I don't know why they're not doing this and instead they focus on targeting ordinary people who can't watch dramas in "legal" way and buy them.
I understand your points and I agree some of the stuff could be priced less.. but its still not "bank breaking". You said you bought a few and unless you now can't even afford to eat.. you're still surviving.. I only used some examples you stated.. My intention wasn't to single you out intentionally. On to rest of the post...

Doubt clubbox payments go anywhere except themselves.. just like megaupload, etc.
Also.. sorry to say, but you, me, and everyone not within Korea or any other Asian country isn't the intended audience. Advertisers and investors (source of income) don't care about people they can't sell their products to.. and unless we as a community (like the anime subbing community) can prove that there IS a market for their media outside their country.. they will continue to work the way they do. It requires a company to step up and buy copyrights to change the current situation. And if these companies that do step up never make any money.. well.. you see where I'm headed...

Their focus is simply to protect their investments, investors, and legal rights to control the media they produced as well as trying to prevent other people from profiting off their media. Also, it is an attempt to (this is the RIAA's biggest argument really) prevent potential loss of revenue. Cause if someone in Korea can download a HQ version of the show.. even they MAY not buy the originals... We on the outside of their intended audience... they could care less since they never expected us to be interested in anyway. Just like Region Codes on DVDs.. its to prevent people outside the region from getting it. We just find ways around it is all....

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Post by Ethlenn » Feb 25th, '10, 19:12

You got some points here. Still, there is no relation, as for me, between banning downloading outside Korea and profiting from it. They should realize that we ( I mean the World) the huge marketplace where they can sell their stuff. I don't think they intentionally ban their products because they don't want it to become popular in the world. Big companies should be aware that more profit can be made by stretching the hand to the audience in the world. As I stated, it would be OK with me if I had to pay for downloading dramas, I have no problem with that. Now I'm waiting for my shipment that cost me almost 250 $, I'm not complaining, since I don't do it every month. But still, loss of revenue? They should allow to legally download for some payment, I'm sure their revenue would be bigger than from DVD only.

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Post by aNToK » Feb 25th, '10, 19:24

I'm sure many of you know me from being here and subbing over the past 6 years or so, and the whole reason I got involved in the first place was because the existing subs in most series..... Sucked.

The only E-subs on dvd sets that I've found to be consistently good in the US are the ones from YA Entertainment. I set up a discount site for distributing them a while back but haven't really advertised it.

I just got my new wholesale pricelist from them and will be revamping the site this weekend. The sale prices I have up advertised are over, but feel free to look around on the site and give me feedback on how to improve it. I won't be actively taking orders again until Monday though. It's at:

http://www.kdramarama.com

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Post by Riea » Feb 26th, '10, 00:02

Ethlenn wrote:You got some points here. Still, there is no relation, as for me, between banning downloading outside Korea and profiting from it. They should realize that we ( I mean the World) the huge marketplace where they can sell their stuff. I don't think they intentionally ban their products because they don't want it to become popular in the world. Big companies should be aware that more profit can be made by stretching the hand to the audience in the world. As I stated, it would be OK with me if I had to pay for downloading dramas, I have no problem with that. Now I'm waiting for my shipment that cost me almost 250 $, I'm not complaining, since I don't do it every month. But still, loss of revenue? They should allow to legally download for some payment, I'm sure their revenue would be bigger than from DVD only.
I approve of your business model... unfortunately, there are many many factors we don't know or understand. Cost of translations.. cost of hosting.. cost of maintenance.. etc.. some things just can't be ignored. The possible gain may not be as lucrative as we would like to believe. If it were... I would have assumed companies like HK's TVB would have such a model in place already.. since they completely monopolize the HK market and they setup rental and specialized TV stations abroad. Yet when you go to their site and you try to stream, it says this video stream can ONLY be streamed within HK.

They don't ban their shows... they have simply found that the potential profits and interests aren't high enough to inject large amounts of income into a project which could potentially fail. Not only are they fully aware of the potential.. they have certain data we don't have at all. This includes potential viewership and information regarding past viewership numbers (I've pulled information like this for cases so I know they exist). Once those numbers are factored in and then costs are.. they make their decisions based off this. Revenue isn't the problem.. Revenue minus Costs equal Profit.. therefore.. Profit is the problem. Vocal groups of internet fans and subbers don't necessarily mean large viewer base willing to pay for shows.

Even stuff as mainstream and widespread as anime.. say Bleach for example... it still sells on DVD for like $24.95 MSRP.. for what.. 4 eps.. that's $6.25 per ep.. more then the $2.50 price I found for Coffee Prince.. and if it was $70 / 16 eps.. that's $4.38 an ep.

Also.. if you check ratings for some of these countries.. some shows are so low they're practically at a loss already... would you throw more money into a show that has such low ratings within its own country in hopes that somehow 10 times that number of people would be interested in buying it online?. I would.. if I needed a tax write off...

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Post by Keiko1981 » Feb 27th, '10, 18:18

Random thought:
Could it be that they don't let other countries buy the rights and air the dramas (both Korean and Japanese) since they earn more money out of selling expensive DVDs (box sets)?

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Post by Ethlenn » Feb 27th, '10, 18:27

I was wondering about the same thing. In Europe there are few countries (very, very few) which air Jdramas (from what I know). Kdramas are completely left out. But they are eating their own tail with that policy. Selling the rights to air the drama means more people would be interested in purchasing DVD set.

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Post by Riea » Feb 27th, '10, 23:23

Keiko1981 wrote:Random thought:
Could it be that they don't let other countries buy the rights and air the dramas (both Korean and Japanese) since they earn more money out of selling expensive DVDs (box sets)?
Entirely possible.. obviously without certain info nothing is for certain. Such as exactly how many broadcast companies outside their country had offered to purchase rights and what those offers were. I do notice quite a bit of Korean dramas on fairchild tv (TVB's own broadcast station here in Canada, which is specialized and only shows Asian entertainment)... so them not selling rights at all may not be entirely accurate. However, I've only seen kor/jp dramas on that channel.. no public channels have ever shown any as far as I know. Is it because the rest aren't interested enough? Were they denied? Price too steep? Who knows.....

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Post by Hyun Jun » Mar 6th, '10, 00:39

i kinda think that its unfair for all of us that isn't in Korea, Japan and every asian country that is airing all beautiful, adorable and sooo really sweet dramas..

Cause we can't have it unless we pay an kinda high price or learn the language then buy the channel for the tv..

I really think its great that fan subbers supports us with really good quality subs for the drama series..

i also think that the television companys should recruit them and pay them for their hard work :)
and also make us buy it BUT not for a so high price like today.

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Post by lenrasoon » Mar 6th, '10, 02:22

i wouldn't know or even buy Korean dramas if it wasn't subbed and shared in the first place, so yeah i didn't just leech but i actually bought their dvds and it's damn expensive and hard to get since i live in Brazil.

i think it's "easier" if you live in the US and Canada, because you have other options like dramafever and viikii (they'd bought the copyright of Korean dramas), but unfortunately where i live i'm not allowed to watch in those sites.

all i know is that i wouldn't buy something i didn't watch in the first place so if they really go on with the closing/blocking p2p spree i will have to say "bye bye" to Korean dramas :/

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Post by madmanout » Mar 9th, '10, 07:26

They should have considered the Korean drama fans who cannot subscribe to their channel in any possible way. And yeah. I would have to agree that fan subs are way better. Plus the DVD prices are just way too overboard. And I wouldn't want to wait a couple of months or until the drama finishes to be able to watch it.

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