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Post by Sorvaseven » Jan 25th, '12, 13:44

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Post by curlywurly » Jan 25th, '12, 13:46

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curlywurly wrote:I hope most of you realise that the whole hoopla surrounding SOPA/PIPA/ACTA, whilst drafted under the guise of copyright protection, has absolutely nothing to do with enforcing intellectual property.
... but rather with freedom of opinion, right? But copyright protection will be a alongside aspect ;-). This SOPA/PIPA/ACTA has a split tongue, i think most of us know it...
It's simple, control of the internet. Nothing more, nothing less. That is the primary objective, everything else is just icing on the cake. They didn't have the foresight to see the evolution of the internet into the monster it has become, and as a result, they didn't foresee the power that was bestowed to the public.

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Post by Luna14 » Jan 25th, '12, 13:58

TenguKing wrote:That I think goes hand-in-hand with Anonyupload right?
http://www.anonyupload.com/

It's created by that hacktivist group Anonymous thats been conducting those e-attacks on the govt.

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The Japanese have been doing the decentralized thing for AGES... the only problem is that its rather unreliable for dramas which is why I've got like 13-14 episodes missing from three different Taigas I'm still currently trying to download.

You have to be online the moment that the person who has the file you need is online and you have no way of asking them to logon or of knowing who or where they are.

You also don't really have a way of knowing whether there are any seeders or leechers and you basically just leave the damn program on hoping you'll get what you want. Usually you end up missing an ep or 2 but you do get most of what you want.

Please read this: http://www2.webpronews.com/anonymous-scam-2012-01

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Post by Luna14 » Jan 25th, '12, 14:42

You can download a copy of the indicment against megauploaad here:

http://www.webpronews.com/anonymous-glo ... ut-2012-01

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Post by moadeep » Jan 25th, '12, 15:48

[quote="Luna14"]You can download a copy of the indicment against megauploaad here:

http://www.webpronews.com/anonymous-glo ... ut-2012-01[/quote

There was a link posted to a copy of the indictment on Scribd too :)

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Post by Luna14 » Jan 25th, '12, 18:29

Understanding PIPA / SOPA & Why You Should Be Concerned

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Post by Sorvaseven » Jan 25th, '12, 19:27

TenguKing wrote:The Japanese have been doing the decentralized thing for AGES... the only problem is that its rather unreliable for dramas which is why I've got like 13-14 episodes missing from three different Taigas I'm still currently trying to download.

You have to be online the moment that the person who has the file you need is online and you have no way of asking them to logon or of knowing who or where they are.

You also don't really have a way of knowing whether there are any seeders or leechers and you basically just leave the damn program on hoping you'll get what you want. Usually you end up missing an ep or 2 but you do get most of what you want.
Hm, but while reading your text i thought "that's nearly the same as the current torrent system". And when the Japanese been doing this thing for ages, it can't be a bad thing i guess. Maybe it could be established at d-addicts, but i'm not a very technical person. I only see the big advantage to be more anonymous. A lot of filehoster uploaders of dramas are afraid of the current system, but with the Anonymous P2P even these person will be active on d-addicts i think.

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Post by Tyrea » Jan 25th, '12, 20:12

to all the people depressed over the signing of acta tomorrow
What stage are we at now?
Acta hangs on a vote from the European Parliament, which could take place as soon as 26 January. The treaty will still need to be ratified by the European Parliament and member states individually. If Acta is not ratified there it will get rejected in its entirety.
taken from wired.uk

it's not over yet.

on the other hand, for those who don't know, ot but not completely
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html
damn creepy. full text of the privacy policy

don't be logged in while surfing.

edit: forgot, yup orion that was the link! i follow two forums, daddicts and a gaming one which is where i saw that link, thus connecting it with games ^^;

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Post by moadeep » Jan 25th, '12, 20:37

I'm not familiar with the process in the EU, what can people do to voice their disagreement?

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 25th, '12, 21:16

As for Google and it's unified services, this has been happening for a while. When I sign in to my blog, I am also signed in Youtube etc. A lot of services also give the option to sign in with Google. Like community support forums etc.
So, if you want to be searching for tentacle porn (although I hope there are no such creepy people here :P ), then you should maybe log out before Google starts sending you suggestions on the best S&M shops or something. XD

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Post by moadeep » Jan 25th, '12, 21:54

http://www.stopacta.info/
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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 25th, '12, 22:23

And moadeep, about the discussion we had on the PM, I'd like to answer here, since it's also relevant to that article here:

The Tech Industry Has Already Given Hollywood The Answer To Piracy; If Only It Would Listen

About the streaming we talked about, there is also the issue of quality. With streaming, you can only watch on the screen/device which has that connection established (unless you run a wire to your TV or have a TV that has internet functions).
But an average viewer has a normal connection and no such fancy stuff. People with more money would enjoy something streaming in High Definition (needs hell of a connection) and they would be able to watch it on their HDTVs, yes, but others?

Having a site with legal high definition files of series and movies to download, for a reasonable price, would be so easy if they got their heads out of their asses and did it.
With downloads, even users with bad connections can download HD. They can save the files and watch them through gaming consoles or transfer them to their televisions.

Or maybe they have no internet in some place they visit and still want their movies to watch. Downloaded files can be taken along. No one would pay good money for something they can't even have in their hard drives.
They pay in places like Dramacrazy now, because I don't think they pay much. They get what they pay for. But why not have more, when it's so easy? Make a legal Megaupload, with licensed movies and series, ffs.

The reason why, even though the means and technology are there, the television and film industries don't use them, is because they are delusional and think they can go back to the times when hard copies of everything existed and couldn't be pirated (which they DID; get pirated).
These industries are trying to run their work and content in today's world, using old methods and having ideals and wishes for systems and ways of an era that has passed. They should get with the program. If they just use the damn tools they have available, we'd all be happy.

They have the most powerful thing in the world, the internet and they are trying to stop it instead of seeing what's right in front of them. The potential to use it and make their works even more available worldwide, to willing buyers!
But I guess the US corporate world doesn't like that. Because in an open internet, a lot of non-US companies can get attention. If people watch movies from all over the world online, Hollywood and its analog-means empire would crumble.
The internet and good use of it by such companies would make the world more fair. More countries, industries, people would have power and they'd lose their monopoly. Their every-us-movie-in-every-cinema-and-dvd-rental-around-the-world empire.

And Koreans are making the same mistake, in general terms. They make DVDs with english subs, but they cost too much and people with non-Asian televisions can't even see the whole screen. We see 2/3 of the damn filmed material.
Imagine if they made portals which had Korean movies and series, to download, in HD, with each episode affordable? A 16-episode series costing 30 euros or 20 during some "sale" days or something. Or if you promoted it enough online.

30 euros in 2 months is affordable for a lot of people. They could even take it further, and charge depending on the country. If the country is one where the salary is 300 euros a month, they could make them cheaper for that country then.
Imagine how many people would actually buy content that way. I could pay my 30 euros, get a series in HD and watch it when I want, where I want, all safe in my hard-drive. So many people would pay to buy things then. It would be lovely.
Or maybe one doesn't have a good PC or a good connection? They could go to a library or school or somewhere and legally download their entertainment, save it to hard drives (those need to become affordable as well) and all is well.

Compared to how many people can afford such content now, a lot more would buy then. And they'd make money from the sheer volume of people, even if the products would cost less than the DVDs cost now. More people pay for less.

If only they priced things according to country, in realistic ways for the content to be affordable by and available to most people in that place. Plus, no sh*tloads of money would have to go on making DVDs and bluray and cases and shipping etc.

And now I'll transfer all this into a blog post cause I'm pissed... Well, tomorrow. XD

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 00:02

the point is that the financial backing for the censorship needs to be taken away. Meaning that Hollywood, Bollywood and all the rest need to realize that they can profit *MORE* by adapting to the internet! I mean, seriously, not having to make dvds/brds, package,ship and cutting out the middleman?? They could be making a fortune if they got onboard with affordable digital copies. Heck, they could offer pacages "Digital Only", "DVD","bluray","bluray & DVD" etc. Disney's already making a similar package *work* for them. Just bump it up a notch and the mccarthys of today won't have the financial backing to make things happen!

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TenguKing wrote:However, in response to a solution to internet piracy... I say again THIS IS NOT ABOUT INTERNET PIRACY, THIS IS ABOUT INTERNET CENSORSHIP by ANY EXCUSE... The US govt is not looking for a solution to piracy other than the one that gives them overlordship of the internet... in reality they could give a flying crap about piracy...

DDL file sharing is just the vehicle, "wrapping paper" for their internet censorship push!
Exactly! :thumleft: The bigger picture is censorship. I don't want to turn to politics right now but anyone has been following the news in Arab countries recently? have any idea what an important role internet had in all these?
if the piracy was the main issue, you think they would have waited all these time to do something?
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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 01:03

Issy wrote:
TenguKing wrote:However, in response to a solution to internet piracy... I say again THIS IS NOT ABOUT INTERNET PIRACY, THIS IS ABOUT INTERNET CENSORSHIP by ANY EXCUSE... The US govt is not looking for a solution to piracy other than the one that gives them overlordship of the internet... in reality they could give a flying crap about piracy...

DDL file sharing is just the vehicle, "wrapping paper" for their internet censorship push!
Exactly! :thumleft: The bigger picture is censorship. I don't want to turn to politics right now but anyone has been following the news in Arab countries recently? have any idea what an important role internet had in all these?
if the piracy was the main issue, you think they would have waited all these time to do something?
They haven't waited, this is just the closest they've come to having it pass. There have been all kinds of groups trying to accomplish the same ends for years now. Nobody took them seriously enough, so they came very close to winning outright this last time around. It has *always* been about control, Arab Spring just brought home to the power brokers just how free we are through the internet. So the voices that have tried to censor and control for years are finally gaining some clout.

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Post by SHIN-RA » Jan 26th, '12, 04:19

Hello guys,
I have been reading this "hot" topics in daily basis and I have to appreciate every single soul here who posted wonderful opinion.
I might agree with everyone here, it is not just about piracy but more towards freedom of speech. Luckily, we do have our "champions" like wikipedia, youtube, (owned by google) and many other major corporations that are against this move. We should be grateful that this act is going to "kill" them right there on their own "farming fields"..
I have seen what the US government did about piracy. They have asked other countries to push intellectual rights protection of "microsoft windows" outside the US. If it were over just around movie or such things, then it wouldn't be much a problem too, right?
I think what they wanted to do was continuing their quest against wikileaks sort of thing. Remember wikileaks, and what they did back then...
I suppose my post wouldn't mean much in here, just because others might have said those points before.
I strongly wish d-addicts will still be around right now, tomorrow, and days after tomorrow. And if we remember back then about napster and audio galaxy sort of thing, I am sure there will be holes that people will be able to use.
Let's have faith that we will not see the day freedom of speech is taken from us,, brothers and sisters, because when there is a will, there is a way.
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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 07:11

TenguKing wrote:
moadeep wrote:the point is that the financial backing for the censorship needs to be taken away. Meaning that Hollywood, Bollywood and all the rest need to realize that they can profit *MORE* by adapting to the internet! I mean, seriously, not having to make dvds/brds, package,ship and cutting out the middleman?? They could be making a fortune if they got onboard with affordable digital copies. Heck, they could offer pacages "Digital Only", "DVD","bluray","bluray & DVD" etc. Disney's already making a similar package *work* for them. Just bump it up a notch and the mccarthys of today won't have the financial backing to make things happen!
You sound like a RED COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZER TO ME SIR!!! For shame!! For shame!!

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Darn. You're on to me. A damn pinko liberal, that's me!

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 07:34

TenguKing wrote:Knowing what I know from having worked (albeit briefly) in Washington I am fairly certain that the fight there is hopeless... however the more moadeep's idea stewed in my brain the better it kept sounding, so I felt the need to post... again.

It is not by attacking/protesting at the politician level that we will win... its by attacking and getting at the financial backers of the pro-SOPA movement... While there is no hope in winning a victory in Washington we MIGHT have [some] hope by proving to the corporations that they have much more to gain through copyright infringment (in sales) than they do in attacking infringment. If we can somehow... show the COMPANIES that this will ultimately HURT their large pocketbooks and not help them... well we just might win...

I would be very open to hearing proposals about how we might go forward along these lines...
It's less about getting them to back off on copyright infringement (to my mind anyways) than to redirect them. We need to prove to them that a free and open internet is better for their bottom line than one that is censored and controlled. The fact is that I don't know if we could *get* all the financial information to prove to them that copyright infringement and p2p has spread their product to a wider crowd than otherwise would have obtained it. There are too many companies and proving something like that definitively would probably take years of research by number crunching geniuses.
That said, I think that we (we being the internet population ;) ) could convince them by offering such ideas as Ori put forth. The first thing that springs to mind is mass emailing/letter writing campaign. Thinking of a gimmick to go along with it might not be a bad idea, but I'm not sure what. I mean, gimmicky write-ins have saved a few shows for another season because they attract attention. If we could think of some sort of gimmick to coincide with a letter writing campaign...that part is only a vague thought in my head. However, I have been trying to figure out what a letter for that type of campaign would look like. The important thing to impress upon them is that we are the consumer, we're aware of it and we have no problem with it. Show them concrete ways they can make money. Perhaps use an example like...Baen's ebooks and how they manage things. I'm not sure.
"Hello, I'm a consumer. Like a lot of consumers, the recent financial backing of such items as PIPA, SOPA and/or ACTA has caused me a lot of anger. I'm not an anarchist, I fully support your right to make a profit off of your goods. I just don't think you're thinking things through. The fact is that most of us *want* to support our favourite artists, be they musicians, actors, writers, directors or what have you. We *want* you to succeed. The problem is both access and cost. Having a global market means that your consumers are often outside your borders, and ordering internationally from anywhere can be prohibitive. That doesn't even get into format issues and so on. We the consumers have a few thoughts and ideas for you." That's all i've come up with so far because I don't have a concrete idea of what should be said. I mean, we want them to provide content manageably for us. I think we also want fansubbing to continue to be accessible. I mean, DF uses fansubbers and that works out really well for *everybody* IMHO.
Yeah, I'm kind of floundering here with a vague idea of "hey, maybe this would work. or...uhhh...maybe this??" We need to pool our brains together to create... SUPER FAN! 8)

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 08:57

I think I still have an old forum at delphiforums. I'm just not sure I can remember how to invite people to it. heh.

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Post by Ethlenn » Jan 26th, '12, 09:01

Wil Wheaton Says Chris Dodd Is Lying About Lost Jobs; Says MPAA Accounting Creates More Losses Than Piracy

D-A will never be any trampoline for political wars. It will, and is, however, the most liberal place of exchanging views and opinions.

If 'authorities' shut down trackers, all trackers, D-A as we know it will be also gone.
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Post by Sorvaseven » Jan 26th, '12, 09:22

Ethlenn wrote:D-A will never be any trampoline for political wars. It will, and is, however, the most liberal place of exchanging views and opinions.
And please remember what jholic wrote in the FAQ 2005:

"D-Addicts Mission Statement - To help people find and enjoy asian dramas and to help spread the joy of asian dramas to people all over the world."

or Ruroshin in the "Licensed Dramas To Be Removed" thread 2007

"D-Addicts goal was and is to spread the joy of asian dramas to as many people as possible."

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Post by Ethlenn » Jan 26th, '12, 09:30

Except for Cyprus, Estonia, Slovakia, Germany and Netherlands, all countries signed ACTA in Tokyo. Germany and Netherlands will sign later though.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 09:33

It's hard to say. But living in the future is nowhere near as awesome as I thought it would be. :cry:

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Post by Ethlenn » Jan 26th, '12, 10:59

No thanks, I'd rather shoot some others.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 11:20

So my question would have to be: as a broke person who doesn't live in an EU country...is there anything I can do to help? I looked through the site, but I don't see anything that says.

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moadeep wrote:So my question would have to be: as a broke person who doesn't live in an EU country...is there anything I can do to help? I looked through the site, but I don't see anything that says.
No, you can't. Acta will be signed by US too.
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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 26th, '12, 11:24

You can keep bitching about it with us, moa. :salut: Keep talking about it, letting people know, anything we can all do, despite being broke and seemingly powerless. We're one voice, but we can add to the many, even in small ways.

It's voted, but if people show we kinda mind, it can still be taken off the table or then not enforced. Finland has strict laws too, but we're still free as birdies because people take no sh*t here and they don't allow such laws to be enforced.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 11:37

Just have to say that Equilibrium is one my fave films of all time...It's like The Giver with guns!

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 26th, '12, 11:44

Tengu, I live in Finland but I am Greek. So, technically...
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Post by Aquariia » Jan 26th, '12, 11:51

ACTA is already signed by USA. USA is among the countries who started the ACTA.
According to Wikipedia:

The final text (of ACTA) was released on 15 November 2010,with English, French, and Spanish published on April 15, 2011. A signing ceremony was held on 1 October 2011 in Tokyo, with the United States, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea signing the treaty. The European Union, Mexico, and Switzerland attended but did not sign, professing support and saying they will do so in the future. Article 39 of ACTA states countries can sign the treaty until 31 March 2013. European Parliament reportedly has the final decision over whether the treaty is dismissed or enacted.

Europe joined today. (not all countries)

I can't believe the government of my country signed ACTA, despite of protest on the Internet and demonstration in about 55 bigger cities (+ many smaller ones). Another proof that our governments don't care about us.

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Post by Ethlenn » Jan 26th, '12, 12:03

If you want

Let's have a grim play now, list all movies with totalitarism as the topic and Big Brother that is watching you.
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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 26th, '12, 12:18

I've managed to miss Equilibrium. Need to watch. The funny thing is, these are mostly Hollywood movies... Oh the irony...

Oh my God! William Fichtner! ORIGASM!!! Gah, why do I need to leave for a course, damn it! XD

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Post by Ethlenn » Jan 26th, '12, 12:22

Please, try to keep pics under spoilers, OK?

Oh yes, the irony, when not detected, ceases to be ironic. I guess this is what happened with Hollycrap.
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Post by trunterzx » Jan 26th, '12, 13:30

Sorry guys if this is already posted but do those who signed up for the megaupload premium get refunded?

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Post by Issy » Jan 26th, '12, 13:55

trunterzx wrote:Sorry guys if this is already posted but do those who signed up for the megaupload premium get refunded?
I think we should say good bye to our money. It has gone for good. :x
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Post by Sorvaseven » Jan 26th, '12, 20:05

Today, January 26 2012, 22 from 27 staates of the european union signs ACTA in Tokyo:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom
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The other five staates of the european union will sign ACTA soon. Australia, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore and the United States signed the ACTA already on 1 Oct 2011.

Source: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 26th, '12, 20:31

Finland too, eh? Lovely...

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 20:36

sucktastic. Sounds like we need to start project "hey, look over there! something shiny!"

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 26th, '12, 20:39

We have more or less till June 10th. For now, ACTA has no effect. By June 10th, it will be voted and applied. We need to raise some hell by then.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 26th, '12, 21:18

So, I *think* I've managed to revamp my old forum for the purpose of political talk and such. http://forums.delphiforums.com/lefae . Delphi does require a (free)membership to participate. Hoping this works. Let me know if it doesn't.

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Post by nikid » Jan 26th, '12, 21:18

Update "The treaty could be on rocky ground -- a French MEP who was designated as responsible for the treaty has quit in protest at how the agreement has passed through the European parliament. Kader Arif issued a statement calling the process "a charade", and denouncing a lack of transparency."

MEP quits ACTA 'charade' in protest at EU signing

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Post by Ethlenn » Jan 26th, '12, 21:40

"Then the first thing will be to establish a censorship of the writers of fiction, and let the censors receive any tale of fiction which is good, and reject the bad; and we will desire mothers and nurses to tell their children the authorized ones only."
Plato, The Republic, book II.
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Post by Luna14 » Jan 26th, '12, 22:47

FUNNY! :lol

Members of the Polish Parliament opposing ACTA:
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Post by Tyrea » Jan 26th, '12, 22:57

lol @ the polish parliament :D

I am absolutely, completely ignorant when it comes to law.

"On 24 November 2011, the EU Court of Justice decided that ISPs cannot be forced to filter Internet traffic to fight intellectual property violations."
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Is this invalidated with acta, or it could be used in some way against parts of acta?

@ethlenn - sounds like kdramaland, doesn't it? oh, if you're interested, i think it was one of the themes in kino no tabi (which had a few episodes dealing with dystopian ideas)

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 26th, '12, 23:15

Is this Polish parliament picture legitimate? Damn, I'd hug and kiss every one of those guys for being so damn cool. XD Ahaha.

Edit: Or rather, bro-fist them.
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Luna, spreading this around, if you don't mind. There's still hope if even politicians are getting so pissed and rad. XD

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Post by Issy » Jan 26th, '12, 23:27

Luna14 wrote:FUNNY! :lol

Members of the Polish Parliament opposing ACTA:
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they should be careful not to get sued by the comic creator or the publisher. :whistling:
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Post by TenguKing » Jan 27th, '12, 00:18

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Post by moadeep » Jan 27th, '12, 00:40

TenguKing wrote:Japan really needs to stop being everyones biatch and get back to its roots...
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What? oppressive government engaging in brainwashing and suicide dive bombing?

Edited to say that I'm being facetious. Because tone and facial expression does not communicate over the net without help! :thumright:

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 27th, '12, 01:04

For crying out loud, can we stop suggesting murderers, fascists and cruel personalities, systems and times as a solution to this problem? Tengu, man, you're kinda overdoing it now.
You're angry, we get it. We all are, love. But the things you post are just images and ideas that are long since gone. This is the modern world and we need modern thinking and solutions.

Pasting pictures of such vile and sad people and situations no longer inspires anyone. Frankly, I am thankful. While the way people react today is a bit too lazy and unmotivated, I prefer it to violence and death as the answer to everything.

This is not a political thread. We have linked this to Twitter and many drama fans could be seeing this. If you think it's helping this cause and our fight to post pictures filled with violence and half-assed "Let's revolt" ideas from eras long gone, then know it will do more harm than good.
So please, if you respect us here, stop posting such things and just focus on the NOW, the problem and how we can solve it without propaganda, violence and kamikaze missions. Monsters did those things or ordered people to do them. We SHOULD and MUST be better than that.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 27th, '12, 01:25

It has been stated before that discussing things in this thread is okay, but I thought that we'd established that anything beyond discussion of the news needed to be done elsewhere. If you don't like delphiforums, I would be glad to participate elsewhere. I only suggested it because I already had a forum that could be used for the purpose. http://forums.delphiforums.com/lefae . I don't have money, but I do have time and a brain which I am perfectly willing to use to fight censorship and all that follows along with it. If someone would prefer a different forum or what have you, then speak up and I'll go participate there. I am not a hacktivist, but I have a strong aversion to censorship and will fight it they way I feel is best for me.
This thread and forum are an invaluable source of information, but it is not the place for politics, so let's move it elsewhere.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 27th, '12, 01:26

Oh, and I am *perfectly* aware of the history behind the kamikaze.

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Post by HypnoSurf22 » Jan 27th, '12, 01:31

Any Ron Paul supporters on here? He just may be the last hope for the USA. I'm voting for him.

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Post by HypnoSurf22 » Jan 27th, '12, 01:49

TenguKing wrote:@HypnoSurf22

So now we're promoting "political" candidates in the "non-political" thread?
Where does it say on this thread not to mention a political candidate? Is it wrong to suggest a candidate that is very much opposed to legislation like SOPA. Its a course of action americans on here of voting age might want to consider.

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Post by moadeep » Jan 27th, '12, 02:04

HypnoSurf22 wrote:
TenguKing wrote:@HypnoSurf22

So now we're promoting "political" candidates in the "non-political" thread?
Where does it say on this thread not to mention a political candidate? Is it wrong to suggest a candidate that is very much opposed to legislation like SOPA. Its a course of action americans on here of voting age might want to consider.
We're trying to discuss politics without getting too political. Because this is a forum for kdrama. Informing people about what's going on is what is supposed to be going on in this thread.

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Post by TenguKing » Jan 27th, '12, 02:46

For the record,

I'm just like everyone else... I'd like SOPA to stop so that I can keep watching the shows I like... so long as I don't have to inconvenience myself very much to get that to happen.

I would be willing to spend a few hours typing some keys into a keyboard, but thats really the extent of my commitment.

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Post by TenguKing » Jan 27th, '12, 03:48

Well then, on a more productive note...

I stand by what I earlier said about ACTA... as far as the wording goes it seems to say the the jurisdiciton of the treaty will NOT supersede that of respective countries, explicitly in terms of privacy, which was what was ruled on by the EU court apparently in favor of privacy protection for ISPs. Meaning that ISP giving away info about users is out... for now... I assume that this is a small victory?

Pretty sure that the ISP giving away info is how they got this Japanese guy for BitTorrent back in 2010:
http://www.japanator.com/japanese-bitto ... 5839.phtml

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 27th, '12, 03:56

It's a small victory indeed and it's a good start. Politicians are quite pressured now. They need the backing of these big corporations, but they also can't afford to anger their voters too badly.
I guess that we should hope and keep pushing and showing and voicing our objections to politicians, because they are the ones who are caught between people and companies, it feels.

There are many sites and petitions and articles and comments. It takes a lot of googling and such threads to find all that material. We've been looking and looking for days, and posting here. It would be good if one big site on ACTA and the rest were made, where anything relevant is posted.
I guess what we could do would be to send links about all these things (articles, comments, tweets etc) to this La Quadrature Du Net page or some other, and maybe give them some buzz to post. I think this buzz everywhere online is important. And it's important that people know it's happening.

We here see it's happening, but mainstream media does not cover it. So, it's not as widely known as other such events or protests or complaints. I think that all of this information gathered would be very useful for everyone.
So, pick a page you find is dealing with this well and send them anything you can find. Tweet about them, tweet about the page, write about them, make posts to blogs and link to all you have found. Create this valuable buzz.

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Post by amrayu » Jan 27th, '12, 03:56

@TenguKing and Orion1986: Can you guys stay on topic? I don't think this is the right area to throw shots at each other. You're making the thread longer than it needs to be. This could be taken offline.

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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 27th, '12, 03:59

Don't worry. I apologize for our bickering and we've already called a truce. I have already notified the mod to erase all our irrelevant comments and keep this going normally. No worries.

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Post by amrayu » Jan 27th, '12, 04:00

Orion1986 wrote:Don't worry. I apologize for our bickering and we've already called a truce. I have already notified the mod to erase all our irrelevant comments and keep this going normally. No worries.
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Post by Orion1986 » Jan 27th, '12, 04:01

Well, I notified Ethlenn, but you can do it for us then. Or maybe you already did? If not, go right ahead. We both don't seem to mind. It's best for the thread.

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Post by amrayu » Jan 27th, '12, 04:08

I've only deleted posts by Tengu which he marked as Deleted by Author. There's a lot of back and forth between you two, so I'm just leaving everything else as is.

Let's try to keep this peaceful. :salut:
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