[Discussion] Keizoku 2: SPEC
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Ending & Mysteries
Going to put up some of my own views on the ending and some mysteries of this awesome series. Warning though, it's quite long.
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Keizoku 2 OST
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Heya, I'd just like to list a few scenarios/questions which I think are unanswered/unexplained, and some theories.
Arguments to support it would be marked by a (+), and counter-arguments by a (-).
Hope someone would be able to point out flaws in my post, and maybe shed some more light on the ending while doing so.
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Arguments to support it would be marked by a (+), and counter-arguments by a (-).
Hope someone would be able to point out flaws in my post, and maybe shed some more light on the ending while doing so.
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I want to think that Toma's brainpower is a SPEC.
Technically, something is defined as a SPEC if you are using more than 10% of your brain, and the use of the other 90% grants you some special ability.
If Toma's ability to "solve puzzles instantly", which allows her to:
- instantly know that a puzzle piece is missing from what seemed like thousands of puzzle pieces
- speed-read books that are flying through the air, and even notice the pattern of the publishing dates
and all that... if that's just 10% of her brain, then WOW.... and also, then it's not a SPEC (which would make her extremely "rigged" if she ever uses the other 90%).
I would like to believe though, that she uses the other 90% too, so it's "technically" a SPEC, even if her usage of it is just the normal use of a brain (i.e. thinking with it). But of course, there's no proof if she uses only 10% or also the other 90%, it's just my speculation.
And I think she does the paper-tearing thing to turn all the known facts into a "puzzle", which she can solve very easily (i.e. assemble the puzzle/facts, in her mind) once it is in that form. I sorta thought that because when she does that, the random japanese phrases/words that fly around in her head look to me like "puzzle pieces" that are being arranged to form/solve the whole puzzle.
Technically, something is defined as a SPEC if you are using more than 10% of your brain, and the use of the other 90% grants you some special ability.
If Toma's ability to "solve puzzles instantly", which allows her to:
- instantly know that a puzzle piece is missing from what seemed like thousands of puzzle pieces
- speed-read books that are flying through the air, and even notice the pattern of the publishing dates
and all that... if that's just 10% of her brain, then WOW.... and also, then it's not a SPEC (which would make her extremely "rigged" if she ever uses the other 90%).
I would like to believe though, that she uses the other 90% too, so it's "technically" a SPEC, even if her usage of it is just the normal use of a brain (i.e. thinking with it). But of course, there's no proof if she uses only 10% or also the other 90%, it's just my speculation.
And I think she does the paper-tearing thing to turn all the known facts into a "puzzle", which she can solve very easily (i.e. assemble the puzzle/facts, in her mind) once it is in that form. I sorta thought that because when she does that, the random japanese phrases/words that fly around in her head look to me like "puzzle pieces" that are being arranged to form/solve the whole puzzle.
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Again, to quote Toma; 'Well, my brain has always been sleeping, but the remaining 90% of my brain should be able to wake up if I want it to."
Well, that line seems to put any doubt of Toma's extraordinarily high IQ as being a SPEC to rest. The paper tearing is merely her way of enhancing her ability to think. Well, that's my conclusion. Many individuals with very high IQ tend to behave and think rather differently from the average person. Some people think best when they think differently, and the end result can be amazing. And that is complemented by the very acute sense of observation Toma has. The ability to speed read extraordinarily fast is not unknown, so I can't attribute that to a SPEC, but simply her extraordinarily powerful brain, that is very efficient and effective at using 10%, or perhaps sllightly more, to think better.
Anyway, with an IQ of 200, who knows what she's thinking? The people with highest average IQs in the world are from the two Asian island states of Singapore and Hong Kong, with an average of an IQ score 108. South Korea comes next at 106 and Japan, Taiwan, China round out the top three spots at 105. The first non-Asian country takes fourth spot, with the honour going to Italy at 102. Anyway, 200 is nearly double of these scores. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that perhaps we just don't understand the ways of a genius like Toma. I still stick with my argument of the paper tearing having nothing to do with any SPEC she may possibly have, dormant or not.
Of course, as always, and I quote Tsuda here this time; "Doubt the truth in everything."
If I were to be strictly scientific though, IQ has nothing to do with how much of your brain you use, since all humans use 100% of the brain unless the brain is injured. Every part of the brain has a function, and processes different types of information. This also means a person developing a SPEC is impossible in reality, at least on the basis of having used more of your brain. You could argue evolution, but certainly not using more of the brain when all of it is already being used.
If anyone is interested, since this actually goes against popular belief, check the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth
Well, that line seems to put any doubt of Toma's extraordinarily high IQ as being a SPEC to rest. The paper tearing is merely her way of enhancing her ability to think. Well, that's my conclusion. Many individuals with very high IQ tend to behave and think rather differently from the average person. Some people think best when they think differently, and the end result can be amazing. And that is complemented by the very acute sense of observation Toma has. The ability to speed read extraordinarily fast is not unknown, so I can't attribute that to a SPEC, but simply her extraordinarily powerful brain, that is very efficient and effective at using 10%, or perhaps sllightly more, to think better.
Anyway, with an IQ of 200, who knows what she's thinking? The people with highest average IQs in the world are from the two Asian island states of Singapore and Hong Kong, with an average of an IQ score 108. South Korea comes next at 106 and Japan, Taiwan, China round out the top three spots at 105. The first non-Asian country takes fourth spot, with the honour going to Italy at 102. Anyway, 200 is nearly double of these scores. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that perhaps we just don't understand the ways of a genius like Toma. I still stick with my argument of the paper tearing having nothing to do with any SPEC she may possibly have, dormant or not.
Of course, as always, and I quote Tsuda here this time; "Doubt the truth in everything."
If I were to be strictly scientific though, IQ has nothing to do with how much of your brain you use, since all humans use 100% of the brain unless the brain is injured. Every part of the brain has a function, and processes different types of information. This also means a person developing a SPEC is impossible in reality, at least on the basis of having used more of your brain. You could argue evolution, but certainly not using more of the brain when all of it is already being used.
If anyone is interested, since this actually goes against popular belief, check the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth
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No offense, but you know that anyone can contribute to wikipedia and it is a source of information but not a reliable one, right?Kai Stormwind wrote:
If anyone is interested, since this actually goes against popular belief, check the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth
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True that. However, many Wikipedia articles cite sources and provide links. I never use Wikipedia articles to prove anything, until I have checked the sources and determined their credibility. In this case, I have determined the sources by which the Wikipedia article has been based on, and determined them to be credible. As such, there is no reason to why I shouldn't offer that link. And even without that article, which is for anyone interested in the topic, I've known for a while that all of the brain is used by humans. Not all 100% is used all the time, yes, but 10% is far too little. If you were to check the sources of the article, I think you'll find that my call was not wrong.
I've read/heard that so many times on a lot of discussion forums, that the 10% brain thing is only a myth, especially during ESP or telekinesis discussions, that I thought it was already common knowledge.
But the real world has no bearing on this discussion, what matters is what the show states, since it is established by the show that an ability is only a SPEC if it utilizes the other 90% of the brain (whether that is not true in the real world or not).
i.e. if a character in the show can fly, move at the speed of light, and shoot laser beams from his eyes, using only 10% of his brain, it is NOT a SPEC.
- But if a character in the show, by using the other 90% of his brain, has the ability to fart and burp at the same time, then it is considered a SPEC, no matter how useless the ability is.
It doesn't matter if in the real world, everyone uses 100% of their brain, what matters is how much they supposedly use in the show, because that is what defines a SPEC.
Based on this argument, we can never know if Toma's intellect is a SPEC or not since it is never stated directly in the show how much of her brain she supposedly uses for her superhuman feats (like recognizing the missing puzzle piece, or reading books flying in mid-air).
Anyway, to me, her dialogue about "being able to wake up her SPEC if she wants/needs to", I thought that she meant that "I can figure out anything if I want to" and that "waking up her SPEC" meant that she would go on her paper-tearing ritual. Or go into the "state" that she is in when she looked at the said puzzle pieces, or when she stopped to read the books in mid-air. i.e. that she meant in her dialogue that she can do that anytime, and when she does that, no one can beat her.
Also, she compared her brain usage to Satori's, as well as their brain usage weaknesses, so comparing her brain usage to a SPEC user somehow reinforces to me that her intellect is a SPEC, despite that she only uses her brain to think and has no extraordinary "superpowers" from it.
And I doubt that an IQ of 200 would be so high that you can instantly recognize a missing puzzle piece in thousands, or that you can read books flying in mid-air. I myself have been rated to have a high IQ (around 160... I'm not sure why that does not fit in with your provided IQ scale of the supposed high scores) when I was a kid, which is an official rating since it's by the DOST in the Philippines. They had put me in the Gifted Children program, and granted me scholarship for life. My school even recommended me to join Mensa, since they require a minimum of 130-140 IQ. But I don't really see that much of a difference. If anything, I'm more of a scatter-brain than everyone I know. No superhuman stuff.
I think Marilyn vos Savant has the highest recorded IQ with around 230 when she was 10 years old. She should trump Toma by a bit. Let's see if she can read books flying in mid-air .
But anyway, I don't really want to discuss Toma's paper-tearing, it's not really an issue for me if people are convinced it's an IQ thing and not a SPEC, what I REALLY want to discuss is the ending. After all, in my earlier post, I pointed out some things that weren't even mentioned before, like:
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But anyway, I've found another angle regarding the ending, while discussing this show with a friend.
Therefore, the following theory is not too far-off:
I am quite convinced this is very close to what had really happened.
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And then there's also this:
But I really loathe this theory, so I hope it's not true.
(although it seems more pieces of this theory fit into the story than the other theories >.<)
Can anyone confirm if Chii's name (or "Tsuda Sukehiro") appears in the ending credits, and if it is red or black?
But the real world has no bearing on this discussion, what matters is what the show states, since it is established by the show that an ability is only a SPEC if it utilizes the other 90% of the brain (whether that is not true in the real world or not).
i.e. if a character in the show can fly, move at the speed of light, and shoot laser beams from his eyes, using only 10% of his brain, it is NOT a SPEC.
- But if a character in the show, by using the other 90% of his brain, has the ability to fart and burp at the same time, then it is considered a SPEC, no matter how useless the ability is.
It doesn't matter if in the real world, everyone uses 100% of their brain, what matters is how much they supposedly use in the show, because that is what defines a SPEC.
Based on this argument, we can never know if Toma's intellect is a SPEC or not since it is never stated directly in the show how much of her brain she supposedly uses for her superhuman feats (like recognizing the missing puzzle piece, or reading books flying in mid-air).
Anyway, to me, her dialogue about "being able to wake up her SPEC if she wants/needs to", I thought that she meant that "I can figure out anything if I want to" and that "waking up her SPEC" meant that she would go on her paper-tearing ritual. Or go into the "state" that she is in when she looked at the said puzzle pieces, or when she stopped to read the books in mid-air. i.e. that she meant in her dialogue that she can do that anytime, and when she does that, no one can beat her.
Also, she compared her brain usage to Satori's, as well as their brain usage weaknesses, so comparing her brain usage to a SPEC user somehow reinforces to me that her intellect is a SPEC, despite that she only uses her brain to think and has no extraordinary "superpowers" from it.
And I doubt that an IQ of 200 would be so high that you can instantly recognize a missing puzzle piece in thousands, or that you can read books flying in mid-air. I myself have been rated to have a high IQ (around 160... I'm not sure why that does not fit in with your provided IQ scale of the supposed high scores) when I was a kid, which is an official rating since it's by the DOST in the Philippines. They had put me in the Gifted Children program, and granted me scholarship for life. My school even recommended me to join Mensa, since they require a minimum of 130-140 IQ. But I don't really see that much of a difference. If anything, I'm more of a scatter-brain than everyone I know. No superhuman stuff.
I think Marilyn vos Savant has the highest recorded IQ with around 230 when she was 10 years old. She should trump Toma by a bit. Let's see if she can read books flying in mid-air .
But anyway, I don't really want to discuss Toma's paper-tearing, it's not really an issue for me if people are convinced it's an IQ thing and not a SPEC, what I REALLY want to discuss is the ending. After all, in my earlier post, I pointed out some things that weren't even mentioned before, like:
But anyway, I've found another angle regarding the ending, while discussing this show with a friend.
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And then there's also this:
(although it seems more pieces of this theory fit into the story than the other theories >.<)
Can anyone confirm if Chii's name (or "Tsuda Sukehiro") appears in the ending credits, and if it is red or black?
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I used average scores, and if you're around 160, that's really high. I'm around 120 myself. And you're most likely right about 200 not being able to read books flying through the air instantly, but as you yourself mention, it may be different in the fictional world that this drama takes place in. Perhaps not in reality, but maybe in this alternate reality created by the drama's writers, 200 is enough to do that. Or maybe Toma's ability to do so is not the result of either a SPEC or IQ, but simply a skill she picked up from someone or someplace. Regardless, it's not too important I suppose. I highly doubt the writers spent too much time thinking about what someone with an IQ of 200 could possibly do in reality. About your theories...
I just started watching this series and I think it's great. Love the directing in particular. I have a question though, because I don't speak or read japanese. When Toma starts the process of solving the crime by painting on large sheets of paper, is she making kanji characters. Like I say, I don't know Japanese so can anyone help? Thanks!
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I agree with this theory. :3ailuros wrote:i don't know kanji either but seem her hand writing is terrible, isn't it?
I'm with this theory-:
hope they have sequal or at least SP
Also, there is this talk of SPEC 0...
I cannot understand this though~
http://keizoku.cocolog-nifty.com/spec/2 ... -8916.html
but I think... SPEC 0 is someone whom Toma & Sebumi hasn't met before...
Hopefully the next season airs this Fall~ *crosses fingers*
Chii's name is red, "Tsuda"'s name is black with bracketsbundat wrote: Can anyone confirm if Chii's name (or "Tsuda Sukehiro") appears in the ending credits, and if it is red or black?
Ninomae is red.
Some says Ninomae's name change from red to black but I think its just reflections. The other red names also change from red to black at some point.
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spec 0
---> totally_obsessed
The SPEC 0 they are talking about is not about a character, but about a prequel to Keizoku 2. The article said SPEC 0 would show things like why Toma joined Mishou, Sebumi's life as a new commanding officer, when Toma met Chii, as well as some attacks that Toma had with Ninomae ... basically things that happened just before the series Keizoku 2 ... a prequel, thus the title "SPEC 0."Also, there is this talk of SPEC 0...
I cannot understand this though~
http://keizoku.cocolog-nifty.com/spec/2 ... -8916.html
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Yes, the kanji words are related to the case. Sorry for replying late.prestoli wrote:Thanks! So do those characters make sense with the case, or are they just random thoughts of hers? Sorry to keep asking but they weren't subtitled so I have no idea what they mean.noshadow31 wrote:Yes those are kanji characters and sometimes she made mistakes and wrote them wrongly.
SPEC 0!! It's a trend to make prequels or what? but i'm not complaining
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Can't wait for the SP and movie!!!
I finished this series in 2 days. Each episode just kept me wanting for more.
I love the chemistry that exists between Toma & Sebumi! Hehe.
They are so cute together, despite their violent fights with one another.
I just love Toma (& Erika!), her character is so awkwardly adorable haha.
Speaking about Toma...
That last episode definitely left a lot of cliffhangers floating...
Hopefully they'll be properly answered in the upcoming SP & movie!
Can't wait to see the two again! And of course Chief Nonomura too (I really love his character, minus the extramarital relationship he has going on with Miyabi-chan... that is just not right)
On a random note, I know some people feel that Toda Erika's acting is over-the-top, but really, I think she executes her roles really well. I don't think it's her acting that's over-the-top, it's the characters that are over-the-top (if you get what I mean). Besides, I love the comedy Toma brings to the series, it sure gives it a tint of light-heartedness despite the mystery and tension that exists throughout the series
I finished this series in 2 days. Each episode just kept me wanting for more.
I love the chemistry that exists between Toma & Sebumi! Hehe.
They are so cute together, despite their violent fights with one another.
I just love Toma (& Erika!), her character is so awkwardly adorable haha.
Speaking about Toma...
Hopefully they'll be properly answered in the upcoming SP & movie!
Can't wait to see the two again! And of course Chief Nonomura too (I really love his character, minus the extramarital relationship he has going on with Miyabi-chan... that is just not right)
On a random note, I know some people feel that Toda Erika's acting is over-the-top, but really, I think she executes her roles really well. I don't think it's her acting that's over-the-top, it's the characters that are over-the-top (if you get what I mean). Besides, I love the comedy Toma brings to the series, it sure gives it a tint of light-heartedness despite the mystery and tension that exists throughout the series
Really!! Thanks a lot for the info. Can't waitailuros wrote:Confirmed SP and Movie!!!
Yay!!
http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/07/toda-e ... a-special/
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that's pretty confusing... lol.. so the one who died at the last episode was the real "Tsuda" and the Tsuda we saw eating at the end of the final episode is "Ninomae"?
Actually, I first though it more like Chii is kind of "demoted" from Tsuda-position, that will explain why none of SPEC help him at the end. However, it's also possibility that Tsuda killed Tsuda coz there was conversation between two man, both voiced by actor who played Tsuda. (not sure which episode but it about not shame Nakano)
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hmm... I really think that Ninomae is alive at the end...
and the Tsuda we saw at the end helped him fake his death by the help of the other spec holders... so maybe there was some sort of deal between them like "Help me kill Chii!Tsuda and I'll help you save Toma and Sebumi." something like that.
Anyway, was it stated that the SP was going to be a prequel or something?
I'm really curious with Ninomae & Toma's first encounter... I mean how the two of them got there in the first place.
Also Chiaki Kuriyama was casted in the movie~ As if it can't get any more flawless~
and the Tsuda we saw at the end helped him fake his death by the help of the other spec holders... so maybe there was some sort of deal between them like "Help me kill Chii!Tsuda and I'll help you save Toma and Sebumi." something like that.
Anyway, was it stated that the SP was going to be a prequel or something?
I'm really curious with Ninomae & Toma's first encounter... I mean how the two of them got there in the first place.
Also Chiaki Kuriyama was casted in the movie~ As if it can't get any more flawless~
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I'm with this theory~
Thus, I don't think the new Tsuda is Toma or Ninomae. I believe the big boss Tsuda is still alive.
Some production pics from the Spec movie *contains spoiler
http://imgur.com/vHZe7
ailuros wrote:
However, it's also possibility that Tsuda killed Tsuda coz there was conversation between two man, both voiced by actor who played Tsuda. (not sure which episode but it about not shame Nakano)
Thus, I don't think the new Tsuda is Toma or Ninomae. I believe the big boss Tsuda is still alive.
Some production pics from the Spec movie *contains spoiler
http://imgur.com/vHZe7
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totally_0bsessed wrote:Movie news!!! :DDDD
http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/3113662.html
ITS CONFIRMED!!! HE'S ALIVE!
yay!! I love to see him!!!!
thanks for info
btw, in poster, Toma have very nice hair
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I'm late to the party and just watched the first episode. I was not impressed.
The human brain uses only 10 % of its capacity, and evolution gives people special powers. The writer really thought these cliches were still acceptable in 2010. They're overused, they're boring, they're stupid. Just say some people have special powers, and leave it at that; nothing of value will be lost, and now your super genius character won't sound like an idiot when she says humans only use 10 % of their brain.
The villain's SPEC was superfluous to the story, because a normal human could have easily gotten away with the same crime. It's like they repurposed a script left over from another crime drama, instead of finding a creative use for the SPEC. Indeed, it's like the show itself is just a repurposed crime drama, as evidenced by its standard formula of a detective having an epiphany, confronting the suspect, and explaining everything. Except Toma's epiphany is based on very little deduction, information gathering, or investigative work. I don't see how she could have deduced that a SPEC was involved, let alone what kind of SPEC. Or does Toma herself have a SPEC that lets her magically solve any crime? If so, it's incredibly boring.
The story is riddled with small problems, oversights, and plot holes, and the characters behave strangely (not Satoshi Miki strange, just "what the hell is wrong with them" strange). Toma is a pretty fun character, but Sebumi is too tightly wound and keeps yelling for no reason.
The humor misses more often than it hits, and is at odds with the darker undertones of the story. The opening scenes have a very sinister feel to them, but the rest is mostly just oddball characters acting zany. Disappointing.
And the end of the episode:I'll keep watching, but I don't have high hopes. I am, however, interested in the SP, since it guest stars Mitsuki Tanimura.
The human brain uses only 10 % of its capacity, and evolution gives people special powers. The writer really thought these cliches were still acceptable in 2010. They're overused, they're boring, they're stupid. Just say some people have special powers, and leave it at that; nothing of value will be lost, and now your super genius character won't sound like an idiot when she says humans only use 10 % of their brain.
The villain's SPEC was superfluous to the story, because a normal human could have easily gotten away with the same crime. It's like they repurposed a script left over from another crime drama, instead of finding a creative use for the SPEC. Indeed, it's like the show itself is just a repurposed crime drama, as evidenced by its standard formula of a detective having an epiphany, confronting the suspect, and explaining everything. Except Toma's epiphany is based on very little deduction, information gathering, or investigative work. I don't see how she could have deduced that a SPEC was involved, let alone what kind of SPEC. Or does Toma herself have a SPEC that lets her magically solve any crime? If so, it's incredibly boring.
The story is riddled with small problems, oversights, and plot holes, and the characters behave strangely (not Satoshi Miki strange, just "what the hell is wrong with them" strange). Toma is a pretty fun character, but Sebumi is too tightly wound and keeps yelling for no reason.
The humor misses more often than it hits, and is at odds with the darker undertones of the story. The opening scenes have a very sinister feel to them, but the rest is mostly just oddball characters acting zany. Disappointing.
And the end of the episode:
Hey lollercopter,
Seeing that you will keep watching, I am very interested in your point of view (actually more interested in if your pov will change or not).
I watched the first and second episode and (thinking like you,) dropped the series thinking I wont watch any more.. After some time I heard about the movie and decided to give it another try.
Towards the end I was pleasantly surprised. I still cant sat that this was a brilliantly made, incredibly good series but it was not as bad as I thought it would be. in fact I had fun trying to decide/decipher some things (saying more would be spoiler...)
Seeing that you will keep watching, I am very interested in your point of view (actually more interested in if your pov will change or not).
I watched the first and second episode and (thinking like you,) dropped the series thinking I wont watch any more.. After some time I heard about the movie and decided to give it another try.
Towards the end I was pleasantly surprised. I still cant sat that this was a brilliantly made, incredibly good series but it was not as bad as I thought it would be. in fact I had fun trying to decide/decipher some things (saying more would be spoiler...)
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I finished watching the whole thing.
The first half is an ordinary Japanese detective drama with paranormal stuff tacked on as an afterthought, except for the episode with the possession SPEC (which wasn't as exciting as it could have been). Some intriguing moments, but all in all not very interesting.
Things get better when the SPEC of the Week formula is dropped, and the overarching story takes over. However, the story wanders aimlessly from one plot development to another, and keeps introducing characters, factions, conspiracies and twists only to forget about them soon after. And where did that final twist (at the docks) even come from? For a 10 episode drama written by one person, the script is incredibly unfocused, and the writing is very careless and lazy in general.
The drama and comedy don't work together, because they seem like they come from two different shows, and because the transitions between them are arbitrary and jarring. Much of the comedy should have been removed altogether, mainly the idiotic subplot with the chief.
Aside from the cliches I mentioned in my previous post, the basic premise of the show is good, and many individual scenes are good. I particularly like that each SPEC requires some strange ritual or gesture to work (the vuvuzela men are amazingly weird).
I also watched the special.
It's pretty good. Because it's somewhat self-contained, it's more coherent and focused than the second half of the show, and seems to have fewer problems (edit: well, the Nozomi story is self-contained, and occupies most of the running time). The battle near the end has the sort of bizarre humor and surrealism that fits the serious and foreboding parts of the show quite well, and it's too bad the show wasn't like that from the start. I really love Tanimura's performance as Nozomi, and it looks like everyone must have had a lot of fun shooting that scene.
The ovearching story is still boring and confusing. Convoluted yet underdeveloped.
The first half is an ordinary Japanese detective drama with paranormal stuff tacked on as an afterthought, except for the episode with the possession SPEC (which wasn't as exciting as it could have been). Some intriguing moments, but all in all not very interesting.
Things get better when the SPEC of the Week formula is dropped, and the overarching story takes over. However, the story wanders aimlessly from one plot development to another, and keeps introducing characters, factions, conspiracies and twists only to forget about them soon after. And where did that final twist (at the docks) even come from? For a 10 episode drama written by one person, the script is incredibly unfocused, and the writing is very careless and lazy in general.
The drama and comedy don't work together, because they seem like they come from two different shows, and because the transitions between them are arbitrary and jarring. Much of the comedy should have been removed altogether, mainly the idiotic subplot with the chief.
Aside from the cliches I mentioned in my previous post, the basic premise of the show is good, and many individual scenes are good. I particularly like that each SPEC requires some strange ritual or gesture to work (the vuvuzela men are amazingly weird).
I also watched the special.
It's pretty good. Because it's somewhat self-contained, it's more coherent and focused than the second half of the show, and seems to have fewer problems (edit: well, the Nozomi story is self-contained, and occupies most of the running time). The battle near the end has the sort of bizarre humor and surrealism that fits the serious and foreboding parts of the show quite well, and it's too bad the show wasn't like that from the start. I really love Tanimura's performance as Nozomi, and it looks like everyone must have had a lot of fun shooting that scene.
The ovearching story is still boring and confusing. Convoluted yet underdeveloped.
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So yesterday I went back and watch all the episodes, SP and movie again.
My mind still can't fathom about all those unexplained things at the end of the movie.
Then I found out about these info:
http://asianwiki.com/SPEC_Zero_SP
http://asianwiki.com/SPEC:_Close~Progress_Version
My mind still can't fathom about all those unexplained things at the end of the movie.
Then I found out about these info:
http://asianwiki.com/SPEC_Zero_SP
http://asianwiki.com/SPEC:_Close~Crisscross_Version"SPEC Zero SP" depicts how Saya Toma (Erika Toda) lost her left hand.
http://asianwiki.com/SPEC:_Close~Progress_Version
So basically, the writers want to explain whatever they left out from the movie in this new movie/drama ? Which is a good thing btw.Mysteries are revealed like the words "Simple Plan," "Third Secret of Fatima" and also the mysterious white man which are all mentioned in the movie "SPEC: Heaven".
Since there isn't a season 1 discussion i thought this was the best place to post this. Anyone else really disappointed with the fact the quality wasn't consistently.
Sometimes Keizoku was fantastic and sometimes it was really bad/strange.
What was going on with Asakura? i found the plot-twist where Asakura was the police chief quite clever.
But then all of a sudden the writers decided they wanted to continue Keizoku and they recreate Asakura in something else entirely. The saddest part is from the movie where he's a suicidal demon. The movie has a lot more problems. Aya dies for NO reason at all. How she made it to the island alive (only to die) is never mentioned either.
The story line of Nonomura doesn't goes anywhere, the lieutenant is beheaded for (again) no reason at all, Yabe Kenzo's role is so small that it's almost insulting. What was the point of introducing him in the special only to completely neglect him in the movie?
The special has problems as well, the first 110 minutes are fantastic, to bad Asakura completely ruins the last ten minutes.
I hope the quality of season 2 is more consistent.
Sometimes Keizoku was fantastic and sometimes it was really bad/strange.
What was going on with Asakura? i found the plot-twist where Asakura was the police chief quite clever.
But then all of a sudden the writers decided they wanted to continue Keizoku and they recreate Asakura in something else entirely. The saddest part is from the movie where he's a suicidal demon. The movie has a lot more problems. Aya dies for NO reason at all. How she made it to the island alive (only to die) is never mentioned either.
The story line of Nonomura doesn't goes anywhere, the lieutenant is beheaded for (again) no reason at all, Yabe Kenzo's role is so small that it's almost insulting. What was the point of introducing him in the special only to completely neglect him in the movie?
The special has problems as well, the first 110 minutes are fantastic, to bad Asakura completely ruins the last ten minutes.
I hope the quality of season 2 is more consistent.
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same complaints for me as well for keizoku.Hercule wrote:Since there isn't a season 1 discussion i thought this was the best place to post this. Anyone else really disappointed with the fact the quality wasn't consistently.
Sometimes Keizoku was fantastic and sometimes it was really bad/strange.
What was going on with Asakura? i found the plot-twist where Asakura was the police chief quite clever.
But then all of a sudden the writers decided they wanted to continue Keizoku and they recreate Asakura in something else entirely. The saddest part is from the movie where he's a suicidal demon. The movie has a lot more problems. Aya dies for NO reason at all. How she made it to the island alive (only to die) is never mentioned either.
The story line of Nonomura doesn't goes anywhere, the lieutenant is beheaded for (again) no reason at all, Yabe Kenzo's role is so small that it's almost insulting. What was the point of introducing him in the special only to completely neglect him in the movie?
The special has problems as well, the first 110 minutes are fantastic, to bad Asakura completely ruins the last ten minutes.
I hope the quality of season 2 is more consistent.
i think for me wat asakura does is he is a serial killer that brain washes people and imprints his memories/personalities into them and making them into serial killers that think they are asakura.
also im assuming you havent seen keizoku spec yet? the only thing that connects both series is chief nonomura being in it....tats about it lol. so no we never get a resolution on asakura from the original series.
spec is a totally different show and focuses on beings with superpowers doing crimes and it being solved by a pair of detectives.
its had 2 specials and 3 movies already.
in the most recent prequel special there was another thread conneting the 2 series in that shibata sent a letter to nonomura introducing toda erikes character to nonomura. also its been mentioned that mayama died in the line of duty.... and thats it lol.
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Hi, I was wondering if anybody has done the subs for the Director's Cut of SPEC - SHOU which is about half an hour longer than the standard version. If not, does anybody out there would be intersed to do it. I would really appreciate. It is really a great drama with the serie Keizoku and Spec - Ten. Really excellent drama/movie. I hope somebody will do it. However, if the subs have been done for the director's cut I would like to know where to find them. Thanks alot
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