[Discussion] Byakuyakou

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How would you rate Byakuyakou?

Life-Altering (5)
43
41%
See it (4)
32
30%
Probably shouldn't miss it (3)
11
10%
Probably shouldn't miss it (3)
11
10%
Only if you have time (2)
6
6%
STAY AWAY (1)
3
3%
 
Total votes: 106

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[Discussion] Byakuyakou

Post by Hirococo » Jan 12th, '06, 14:44

I literally just finished watching the first episode on TBS several minutes ago. It seems very interesting so far! Too bad there were quite a bit of advanced vocabulary and one of the detectives (the main one of the series it seems) speaking heavy Kansai-ben, because that made it much harder to interpret. -_-

The first episode really didn't have much of Yamada Takayuki or Ayase Haruka's acting, since it dealt mostly with their characters when they were kids. Those 2 kids really know how to act. o_o

Everyone should give the series a shot!

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Post by darkflame21 » Jan 12th, '06, 14:54

Wow This was one fo the best dramas I've ever seen. I'm going to be thinking about how they lead to the first scene of the drama all week until I see next weeks ep to get any more clues to figure it out!! It was crazy i NEED more and its only been ove for about 15 minutes!!
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Post by Hirococo » Jan 12th, '06, 15:03

Wow Ibaraki-ken and near Mito city? You're not too far from where I am. I'm currently residing at one of Tsukuba University's dormitories. =P

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Post by cykeichan » Jan 12th, '06, 15:45

Byakuyakou...NICE! It's totally evil. Yamada Takayuki is his typically emotional cry-baby self, but hey it worked for him very well in SekaChuu. :P The kid actors, who actually formed the main cast for tonight's two-hour special, were quite good I thought. I can't really imagine acting out the scenes that the young Yukiho had to do, especially *that* kind of content. It was a bit disturbing.

The music style is straight out of SekaChuu, which is a good thing though parts of the BGM seemed like it was taken directly out of that previous drama.

I'll definitely keep watching this throughout the season (and hope it doesn't start sucking!) Though showing the end (?) of the drama at the very beginning of episode one is a plot device that has already been done before and is a bit old-hat.

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Post by Hirococo » Jan 12th, '06, 16:07

cykeichan wrote:Byakuyakou...NICE! It's totally evil. Yamada Takayuki is his typically emotional cry-baby self, but hey it worked for him very well in SekaChuu. :P The kid actors, who actually formed the main cast for tonight's two-hour special, were quite good I thought. I can't really imagine acting out the scenes that the young Yukiho had to do, especially *that* kind of content. It was a bit disturbing.

The music style is straight out of SekaChuu, which is a good thing though parts of the BGM seemed like it was taken directly out of that previous drama.

I'll definitely keep watching this throughout the season (and hope it doesn't start sucking!) Though showing the end (?) of the drama at the very beginning of episode one is a plot device that has already been done before and is a bit old-hat.

kev
Well, out of everything that I've seen of Yamada Takayuki's works, I've only noticed this to be true in Sekaichuu and Densha Otoko haha~ I've never seen Koi ga Shitai Koi ga Shitai Koi ga Shitai yet, so I can't judge his character there.

Speaking of kid actors and *that* kind of content such as the violence and child pornography, I cannot imagine this being passed at all for an American show. Disturbing indeed, and I'm very amazed at how well the kids pulled off their roles so well.

As for the part of possibly showing the last scene in the first episode, I've only seen Sekaichuu do it before, so it hasn't gotten old on me yet. =P In my perspective, I think Sekaichuu prospered even more in my eyes *because* it did that. Sekaichuu's execution proved to be even more amazing to me because I was still able to thoroughly enjoy that show even though I was "spoiled" at the very beginning what would happen in the end. Perhaps Byakuyakou will end up doing the same for me. =]

With most J-dramas that I have watched, a good majority of them seem to lag and become somewhat dull in the middle, until the last episode or so. Felt like those episodes were just there to fill in the gap to make the series 10-11 episodes in total. Hopefully this isn't the case with this drama. I have high hopes. ^_^

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Post by Y_T » Jan 12th, '06, 16:24

cykeichan wrote:of the drama at the very beginning of episode one is a plot device that has already been done before and is a bit old-hat.

kev
This is quite common in HK dramas!

So I'd say they haven't aired this scene yet heh?? :lol
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Post by Hirococo » Jan 12th, '06, 16:31

They kinda did, in the beginning when they "flashbacked." =P

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Post by kiwigloomy » Jan 13th, '06, 04:18

really shocked me the rating was only 14.2%!!!!!!!
and it's the first episode~!!!
oh my!, let's hope it will rise up again.....

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Post by Y_T » Jan 13th, '06, 04:24

kiwigloomy wrote:really shocked me the rating was only 14.2%!!!!!!!
and it's the first episode~!!!
oh my!, let's hope it will rise up again.....
The time slot it is allocated will affect it, as compared to other dramas that don't have

competition :O

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Post by TG3 » Jan 15th, '06, 01:34

That sucks that it didn't get higher ratings. Hopefully word of mouth will make people tune into it more. This series is amazing. From the story, to the music, to the acting. The scene with the scissors and the kids (you know which one) was so heartbreaking, I kind of cried.

BTW, no one does the sad, wistful voiceover better than Takayuki Yamada.

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Post by kiwigloomy » Jan 15th, '06, 05:39

TG3 wrote:That sucks that it didn't get higher ratings. Hopefully word of mouth will make people tune into it more. This series is amazing. From the story, to the music, to the acting. The scene with the scissors and the kids (you know which one) was so heartbreaking, I kind of cried.

BTW, no one does the sad, wistful voiceover better than Takayuki Yamada.
yeah, sux that it doesn't have a higher rating...
But so far, this drama is DEFINITELY the best so far that i've seen this season..
The story is REALLLLLLLY good, the actors are great too.

Regardless of the rating, i still think this drama is the best this season even thou there are other drama like Sayuki or Rondo...

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Post by TG3 » Jan 15th, '06, 05:53

I think Rondo is the only one that will probably come close in terms of serious acting. Sayuuki is more of a fun drama for the family. BTW, did anyone else here come close to tears when watching this episode?

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Post by Y_T » Jan 15th, '06, 06:14

TG3 wrote: BTW, no one does the sad, wistful voiceover better than Takayuki Yamada.
Hit the nail on the head :P


Thursday nights are always fierce battle, given that 90% of the screen time

was allocated to those 2 kids it still did well....

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Post by TG3 » Jan 15th, '06, 17:16

The kids were great. Even if you were/are a Yamada/Ayase fan, I don't think you could get mad for the kids getting the screen time during this episode. Both their performances were some of the best acting I've seen, period! They acted so natural, and nothing seemed forced. 2 parts stood out for me the most, the "scissors scene" and the one where he's running for the train. I loved those!

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Post by Hirococo » Jan 15th, '06, 18:34

TG3 wrote:The kids were great. Even if you were/are a Yamada/Ayase fan, I don't think you could get mad for the kids getting the screen time during this episode. Both their performances were some of the best acting I've seen, period! They acted so natural, and nothing seemed forced. 2 parts stood out for me the most, the "scissors scene" and the one where he's running for the train. I loved those!
I wholeheartedly agree with you. =]

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Post by Kssk » Jan 15th, '06, 19:46

I was really happy to see they used Fukuda Mayuko (who already played like a queen in "Joou no Kyoushitsu") as the little girl, because i think she was the best person they could find for this hard role. Little boy's not so bad too, but nothing like the girl who outstands everything. I hope to see more of her in the future, she'll become a star for sure.

I even feel sorry i won't be able to see more of her acting in this show.
Hoy producers ! Find a good drama for this girl to shine in :)

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Post by albertoavena » Jan 16th, '06, 06:38

umm..I know this isn't the best time for saying this, since so many of you have seen it and really into it but..are there subtitles in the works? so sorry... If there are, I apologize..Just wondering if there will be..
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Post by littleblue » Jan 16th, '06, 06:59

Yes there are subtitles in the works. I know because I have just finished translating episode 1 for eltinator :D

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Post by albertoavena » Jan 17th, '06, 09:56

Great! Thanks! I'll watch out for them. No hurry or anything :D
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Post by skrhgh3b » Jan 17th, '06, 10:05

What an intense story! I had no idea what this drama was about before I watched it, and I must say the first several minutes was excruciating to watch. I kept thinking to myself, "Is this what's going to happen to me when I fall on a pair of scissors in Tokyo?" But by the end, I had barely noticed how much time had went by, and now I'm hooked. This episode kept me on the verge of tears throughout. I'm not that impressed with the directon or music so far, but the story and acting was solid.

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Post by MissMonika » Jan 19th, '06, 04:06

i just watched the first episode. even though i couldn't understand what they were saying, it's still very intense. wow, such a change from sekai no chuusin

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Post by cykeichan » Jan 19th, '06, 13:46

Crap! I forgot about the drama tonight and tuned in about 15 minutes late. But it seems like so much happened in those 15 minutes! Compared with last week it seemed like Yukiho was suddenly getting bullied a lot more than before (was this explained a bit in the beginning?) And what was up with the flashback (?) scene of the guy with the photos saying "100 man yen!" What photos were they?

Can anyone "spoil" the first 15 minutes for me? :lol

Thanks!

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Post by Hirococo » Jan 19th, '06, 16:24

Not much, really. It just shows Ryouji going to the library everyday, and every so often to the train station, only to find no one there. Yukiho was already getting bullied from the start. You really didn't miss much at all. All of the important cruel things that happened started after the point you started watching.

This series is literally the most cruel series I've ever watched. So much more than Sekaichuu, and that drama is number 1 on my list. o_o

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Post by Y_T » Jan 19th, '06, 16:37

can't wait for next ep, just saw previews for ep 3 on official.

It's getting creepy and exiting! :whistling:

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Post by rubychan » Jan 20th, '06, 03:26

http://www.youtube.com/?v=ehaeT_3rlU0 Byakuyakou ED

I'm thinking whether I should watch this, it seems to be a sad series. Guess I'll wait for the sub or hardsub ver.

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Post by cRaZY MiKi » Jan 24th, '06, 14:24

Yeah!! Glad to see Yamada Takayuki & Ayase Haruka working together again!! :D

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Post by mizune » Jan 25th, '06, 04:53

I have to say that I'm enjoying this series more than I thought I would when I heard Yamada and Ayase were going to be in it...even though it really is milking the Sekachuu production notes for all they can get out of it :roll...
(Same stars, same opening gimmick of knowing it's going to be a tragedy with one person ending up dead, same retelling and narration from the present looking back, same BGM style, singer for the closing theme, same style of ending credits with the grainy-antiquey feel...am I missing anything???)

But yeah, those kids were amazing! Fukuda Mayuko swings between the cute and cold so well, and it's creepy how she smiles just like Ayase does... :blink:

So did anybody find it funny when Yuki-chan pushed Ryo-kun in front of the bus to re-enact the "I won't die!" scene from 101st Proposal (since Takeda Tetsuya stars in this as well)? That and the Chage and Aska reference? Hahaha... makes you wonder if the casting affected the final script or vice versa... :lol

Observations on the opening sequence based on the first couple eps:
In the opening sequence, the inspector seems to be yelling "Idiot!", which most likely means that Ryo intentionally committed suicide to free Yukiho of the last piece of evidence connecting her to any crime (himself) -- the same way she tried to commit suicide to protect Ryoji when they were children by shifting the blame to herself and her mother. Since he pointed and told her to go as he was dying seems to back that up, since it's what she did before too...

Or maybe he did it to eliminate the last source of darkness in her life. After all, it looks like he's on the road to commit any number of crimes to help maintain their cover, which would always be a shadow following them, and he seems pretty bent on giving her true happiness. Plus, as she was walking away from him in the opening sequence, she was saying how everything was bright (probably trying to reassure herself or him, that it was for the best). Those kids were waaaay too pragmatic, even as children... What 11 yr old would plan their own suicide to cover up another killing? :crazy:

Obviously, the R&Y logo signifies the two of them, and if I were to venture a guess, I would say that it looks like Yukiho just had a successful show or exhibition - fashion or jewelry design maybe. The ring she wears obviously carries some significance, like a promise/engagement ring of some sort possibly, but the meaning of the snowflake falling and melting on it is beyond me right now. Something light and pure (white snow) overcoming something dark (the stone setting)?

Yukiho is a fan of "Gone With the Wind" and of Scarlett O'Hara in partiular. I never read the book (and saw the movie only once when I was younger and the only thought in my head was "when would it end!? :|"), so I wonder how much of that Scarlett personality eventually influences her character. I don't know how she got placed with the older lady after she killed her mother, but obviously her social status greatly improved after the accident. Plus she's got a good dual public/private persona working for her...
Ehhhh... I could ramble on about this becasue there's just so much there, but time for me to hit the hay, so.... Hopefully the subs come out soon so I don't end up talking to myself about all this here... :fear:
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Post by cRaZY MiKi » Jan 25th, '06, 09:53

Nice observation there!! I'd wanna hear more of your rambles haha

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Post by Hirococo » Jan 26th, '06, 14:17

Today's episode was okay I guess. Nothing as dramatic as the first 2 episodes. It might not have been too smart fo the director to not add in any kind of real cliffhanger for this episode if he intended for people to stay interested in the series.

However, the episode preview for episode 4 seems a bit interesting. Looking forward to see the next episode. =]

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Post by Y_T » Jan 26th, '06, 14:23

can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??

I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but

it didn't really explain why he was giving money...

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Post by vtx » Jan 26th, '06, 16:45

Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??

I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but

it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
He probably did that so that Isamu won't suspect him as the person who actually killed his father. One thing bothers me in the first episode... no one helped Ryouji when he is stabbed, struggling in a pool of blood... bit wierd. Passerbys just stared.. :blink

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Post by kiwigloomy » Jan 27th, '06, 06:08

vtx wrote:
Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??

I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but

it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
He probably did that so that Isamu won't suspect him as the person who actually killed his father. One thing bothers me in the first episode... no one helped Ryouji when he is stabbed, struggling in a pool of blood... bit wierd. Passerbys just stared.. :blink
well, i'm just guessing... Since he is wearing Santa Suit, so it MUST be Christmas!!!
Christmas??? That means it's after that expiry date???
So, they are legally free, so i guess that police is just jealous they got free, so he stabbed him... Haha, sounds weird... but, yeah, can't wait till they tell us what REALLY happen that day...

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Post by kiwigloomy » Jan 27th, '06, 06:12

speaking of which, 3rd episode rating has just came out,
Byakuyakou rating dropped AGAIN!!! drop to 11.0 now~~!!

As much as i love Byakuyakou, but just gotta give credits to kemonomichi
they did a really good job winning the battle....
they were able to keep it 16+rating for all three episode

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Post by sesshu.kotoyumu » Jan 27th, '06, 06:30

Oh wow, that bites 11.0~~it just seems like it has alot of potential. Cult Classic in the making, all the greatest get late starts.
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Post by mizune » Jan 27th, '06, 08:35

Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??

I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but

it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
When did he give him money? :scratch:
The only scene I recall with money was in the 2nd ep when Matsuura was waving around a few bills, but I don't think he was given the money. He seems to have a gambling problem, so that's probably where he got it. Matsuura probably borrowed the money from Ryouji though, which is why he gave him half before he left...

EDIT: never mind... Ryoujii is helping Matsuura with a brothel/prostitution ring, so Matsuura was probably picking up the earnings...
kiwigloomy wrote: well, i'm just guessing... Since he is wearing Santa Suit, so it MUST be Christmas!!!
Christmas??? That means it's after that expiry date???
So, they are legally free, so i guess that police is just jealous they got free, so he stabbed him... Haha, sounds weird... but, yeah, can't wait till they tell us what REALLY happen that day...
The first ep pegs it as 12/24/05. The cutout note for their reunion had a date of 11/11/06 (the 15th anniversary of the accident)... so they never make that date...
Anyhow, I'm not really sure about Japan's legal system, but I don't think there's a statue of limitations on murder... so there would be no expiration date on the crime.... :unsure:

Looking forward to the 3rd ep, but now I'm curious aboutt Kemono michi... :)

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Post by kiwigloomy » Jan 27th, '06, 20:17

mizune wrote: well, i'm just guessing... Since he is wearing Santa Suit, so it MUST be Christmas!!!
Christmas??? That means it's after that expiry date???
So, they are legally free, so i guess that police is just jealous they got free, so he stabbed him... Haha, sounds weird... but, yeah, can't wait till they tell us what REALLY happen that day...
The first ep pegs it as 12/24/05. The cutout note for their reunion had a date of 11/11/06 (the 15th anniversary of the accident)... so they never make that date...
Anyhow, I'm not really sure about Japan's legal system, but I don't think there's a statue of limitations on murder... so there would be no expiration date on the crime.... :unsure:

Looking forward to the 3rd ep, but now I'm curious aboutt Kemono michi... :)[/quote]

oh, hahaha~~~ it's 06!!!!! i thought it was 05... so nevermind =.=
and there is a limitation on murder...just like the other dorama this season(Jikou Keisatsu)
Joe found the "killer", but it's after the date, so they don't have to go to jail, they are free...

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Post by jho » Jan 27th, '06, 22:00

Are their subtitles for this series? I really, really wanna see it.

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Post by Jenden » Jan 27th, '06, 22:06

jho wrote:Are their subtitles for this series? I really, really wanna see it.
I believe it is... It'll either be released by Studio Oto or SARS (depending on if its before or after the merger) I think.

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Post by shirahime » Jan 28th, '06, 12:22

What did he do or do to the dead woman with tatue and why does ryo need to pretend to be dead?
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Post by theenigma411 » Jan 28th, '06, 18:58

Does anyone know where I could find the theme song? It's called Kage and it's sang by Shibasaki Kou. Thanks in advance.

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Post by diOdio » Jan 28th, '06, 19:30

Jenden wrote:
jho wrote:Are their subtitles for this series? I really, really wanna see it.
I believe it is... It'll either be released by Studio Oto or SARS (depending on if its before or after the merger) I think.
downloading episode 1 from sars...YAY!

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Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??
I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but
it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
The way I read it, it's because Matsuura knows that Ryouji is a murderer and is using it to get Ryouji and the other guys to be part of the gigolo ring. The income Matsuura earns as a pimp is why he is able to live the high life with his mink coat, etc.
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Post by seneschal » Jan 29th, '06, 07:29

shirahime wrote:What did he do or do to the dead woman with tatue and why does ryo need to pretend to be dead?
It was kinda confusing for me too, but I think Yukiho wanted him to have sex, i.e. ejaculate inside the dead woman, that's why he cringed at first. She put him through a guilt trip (at the Catholic church), so he agreed to it. I think the plan is so that all the blame for both the murder of his father, the suicide of the mother, and the tattooed woman's death would get pinned on him, leaving Yukiho to be an innocent bystander. He conspired to fake his death at sea so that the detective would fall off his trail and thus saving his beloved Yukiho. Anyway, that's my take after watching it distracted with a bunch of other things this morning... :goggle:
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Post by Y_T » Jan 29th, '06, 11:15

now it makes a lot of sense!! But it still doesn't explain why the women died and why Ryouji

has to step in for the other guy (Sonomura Tomohiko)...

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Post by shirahime » Jan 29th, '06, 21:22

seneschal wrote:
shirahime wrote:What did he do or do to the dead woman with tatue and why does ryo need to pretend to be dead?
It was kinda confusing for me too, but I think Yukiho wanted him to have sex, i.e. ejaculate inside the dead woman, that's why he cringed at first. She put him through a guilt trip (at the Catholic church), so he agreed to it. I think the plan is so that all the blame for both the murder of his father, the suicide of the mother, and the tattooed woman's death would get pinned on him, leaving Yukiho to be an innocent bystander. He conspired to fake his death at sea so that the detective would fall off his trail and thus saving his beloved Yukiho. Anyway, that's my take after watching it distracted with a bunch of other things this morning... :goggle:
it's still weird. Why does ryo has to take the blame for the dead woman? I mean they could have erase the traces in another way. yukiho loves ryo a lot so why would she wants to put all the blame on him? if putting all the blame on ryo is her intention then why did she cried when she red the letter in the library? She should have known he had to disapear if she put all the blame on him right?
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Post by rdoll » Jan 29th, '06, 21:50

Man, can you guys use a spoiler tag when u want to discuss the storyline of the episode. I'm watching the Sars fansubs version so i'm quit behind in it. Thanks in advance.

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Post by seneschal » Jan 30th, '06, 02:34

shirahime wrote:it's still weird. Why does ryo has to take the blame for the dead woman? I mean they could have erase the traces in another way. yukiho loves ryo a lot so why would she wants to put all the blame on him? if putting all the blame on ryo is her intention then why did she cried when she red the letter in the library? She should have known he had to disapear if she put all the blame on him right?

Yeah, I agree it's pretty weird.
I think that explains why the ratings dropped so much on third episode! They kinda skipped a lot of plot development and threw the kitchen sink in the third episode. :blink

A lot of it I think is going to foreshadow that Yukiho is not a pure sweet girl we expect her to be, but a dark twisted mind that got that way through child abuse. I think they threw in something about the priest or another ecclesiastical figure sexually exploiting her AFTER she killed her mom and got sent to the Catholic home.

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Post by vtx » Jan 30th, '06, 09:01

shirahime wrote:it's still weird. Why does ryo has to take the blame for the dead woman? I mean they could have erase the traces in another way. yukiho loves ryo a lot so why would she wants to put all the blame on him? if putting all the blame on ryo is her intention then why did she cried when she read the letter in the library? She should have known he had to disapear if she put all the blame on him right?
After ep 3, my speculations so far... :)
I believed Ryo had to take the blame for that dead woman as Matsuura told him to take care of it. Don't forget Matsuura knows Ryo's secret. And if Matsuura gets into trouble, he will bring Ryo down with him, telling the police his secret. (same reason why Ryo is forced to work in his gigolo business). This will in turn get Yukiho involved as that pesky kansai-accent detective is still finding the chance to reopen the murder case of Ryo's father 7 years ago. Both Yukiho and Ryo must have knew they have come too far and suffered too long to let this possibility happen.

Perhaps there were other ways to get rid of the body without getting Ryo involved, but ultimately the police will link it to Matsuura's gigolo business or the deceased woman's husband (yakuza) would probably find trouble with Matsuura. Hence, Ryo decides to bare all the blame and creating false evidence.

With all the crimes committed by Ryo(im sure there's more to come),which are burdened with him for the rest of the next 8 years, there probably isn't any true happiness for Ryo anymore. He has given up his path of light, all for the sake of protecting Yukiho. She cried upon reading the letter as she was touched by his sacrifice and love for her...And this sacrifice meant throwing away any shred of human decency left in him whatsoever.
Eagerly awaiting ep 4 this week... :cheers:
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Post by shirahime » Jan 30th, '06, 18:15

vtx wrote: After ep 3, my speculations so far... :)
I believed Ryo had to take the blame for that dead woman as Matsuura told him to take care of it. Don't forget Matsuura knows Ryo's secret. And if Matsuura gets into trouble, he will bring Ryo down with him, telling the police his secret. (same reason why Ryo is forced to work in his gigolo business). This will in turn get Yukiho involved as that pesky kansai-accent detective is still finding the chance to reopen the murder case of Ryo's father 7 years ago. Both Yukiho and Ryo must have knew they have come too far and suffered too long to let this possibility happen.

Perhaps there were other ways to get rid of the body without getting Ryo involved, but ultimately the police will link it to Matsuura's gigolo business or the deceased woman's husband (yakuza) would probably find trouble with Matsuura. Hence, Ryo decides to bare all the blame and creating false evidence.

With all the crimes committed by Ryo(im sure there's more to come),which are burdened with him for the rest of the next 8 years, there probably isn't any true happiness for Ryo anymore. He has given up his path of light, all for the sake of protecting Yukiho. She cried upon reading the letter as she was touched by his sacrifice and love for her...And this sacrifice meant throwing away any shred of human decency left in him whatsoever.

Eagerly awaiting ep 4 this week... :cheers:

I see, I'm more satisfied with this explaination, thanx
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Post by b3ho1d » Jan 31st, '06, 00:17

I honestly think this series is the best. Honestly i don't think there is such story like this. Unlike GTO and gokusen and stuff...

I think the plot is well written. At first i thought it was just any love story, but it was so complicated and intense. I really like this. I'm surprised at how well the story is portrayed and also the story plot... it's very very well written. I must say, the author/writer must have a very complicated mind, or just thinks too much. But Byakuyakou is very unpredictable and outta my believe at least. =op I'm hooked... keke

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Post by TG3 » Jan 31st, '06, 05:41

That sucks that the ratings went back down. Maybe this is just too dark for the audiences?! :cry: Yeah, it seems like he's heading down a seriously dark path to save her.

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Post by mizune » Jan 31st, '06, 06:40

Hmm... I don't really think it's jusst that he wants to save her....
Yeah, he's pretty obsessed with her, but at the same time he's burdened with a lot of guilt that all the pain and hurt in her life was caused by him and his father. His father for obvious reasons, and himself because he ran away and left her to take the blame for his father's death. She wanted to save Ryouji. Although Yukiho was an innocent victim of the first crime perpetuated by elder Kirihara, she ended up committed an equally terrible crime by murdering her mother to create a scapegoat for the killing of the father.

In a sense, what Yukiho did in order to protect Ryouji is a bigger crime than what he did. There's really no arguing the fact that what happened b/w Ryouji and his father was an accident. One could possibly even argue that it was justified. On the other hand, Yukiho deliberately orchestrated and executed the murder of her mother.... the only flaw in her original plan was that she survived... (Of course, if the accident never happened in the first place, I would say that there is still a high probabliity that the outcome of Yukiho trying to kill her mother and herself would still occur...)

Ryouji isn't completely stupid, and after the past 7 yrs of refelection, he knows that the outcome would have been better for everybody if he had just confessed to his crime... Instead, he ran...and I think the guilt of what happened in the aftermath weighs more heavily on him that killing his father. After 7 yrs, that guilt is really only becoming a problem now b/c of the pressure being applied since the return of the detective (Sasagaki) who already knows it was them, but just hasn't been able tot prove it yet. In contrast, Yukiho spent the last 7 yrs looking for some sort of peace or salvation from the crimes that were both inflicted on her and committed by her.

Anyhow, what I'm driving at is that the question of who is trying desperately to save who, and for what reason isn't really very clear-cut. Yukiho was indebted to Ryouji for freeing her fromher misery, and even before then, for giving a glimmer of happiness and fun that was missing from her existence. I think that glimmer could possibly have been the only thing that could stay Yukiho from murdering her mother or Ryouji's father, and ultimately committing suicide herself. What happened gave her the hope of a normal life, and she owes that to Ryouji... (once that pesky 15yr statute expires)

Ehhhh.... I have to get up at 4am to catch a plane in the morning, but there're a lot more thoughts that aren't really organized in my head yet...maybe later this week I'll babble to myself some more... ^_^;;;
BTW as for this being a dark drama = bad ratings, the competition, Kemono michi (from what I saw in the first ep) is equally dark and mysterious...
I guess it's just one of those nights.... O_o;;;

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Post by vtx » Jan 31st, '06, 07:15

Hmm, i feel Byakuyakou has a much more disturbing, darker theme then Kemono michi. I mean cmon, 11 year old kids committing murder, acts of child pornography, prostitution and other heinous crimes. Parents would probably think twice to let their young kids to watch this drama..let alone watching together with them. That's probably why ratings start to go downhill after the first ep...

Or another reason maybe the drama wasn't faithful enough to the original novel? It happens... :whistling:
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Post by seneschal » Jan 31st, '06, 23:24

Hey, do you think it's necessary to hide this entire thread in spoilers?
After all, the topic is very clear, talking about an ongoing drama.
If we don't discuss the plot, what can we discuss?!?!
Anyway...

Does anyone know what the penalty in Japan is for murder when you're 11 years old? I'm sure at the most you'd do a few years in juvenile detention, especially if you catch your father doing a crime?!?

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Post by Y_T » Feb 2nd, '06, 11:58

I think no need to place in spoilers, just put a huge warning on the first post since we're all discussing the plot!

Btw, if anyone can give a brief summary of this clip
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Post by Kssk » Feb 3rd, '06, 18:08

think the plot is well written. At first i thought it was just any love story, but it was so complicated and intense. I really like this. I'm surprised at how well the story is portrayed and also the story plot... it's very very well written. I must say, the author/writer must have a very complicated mind, or just thinks too much. But Byakuyakou is very unpredictable and outta my believe at least. =op I'm hooked... keke
Bought the novel (not reading it yet, have others to finish before) - 503 pages, little characters XD - it will be even more complicated than the drama for sure XD

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Post by mizune » Feb 4th, '06, 17:47

I was thinking of buying the novel a few months back because it was so popular... Maybe I'll pick it up later...
Still reading through "Fight" right now j(ust finished book 2 and I wanna see the drama now. Nice story/plotline! No wonder groink keeps glowing about it!)

Hmm.... still haven't had a chance to watch ep 4 of this yet though...

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Post by MissMonika » Feb 5th, '06, 03:35

i really like this show. even though it's really dark, the story is fascinating. sux bout the ratings though. i wonder why they're so low

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Post by seneschal » Feb 5th, '06, 05:27

MissMonika wrote:i really like this show. even though it's really dark, the story is fascinating. sux bout the ratings though. i wonder why they're so low
Episode 4 helps resolve a lot of things.
But I think because it's so dark the ratings are sure to drop more. The subject matters are not pleasant (necrophilia!?!)

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Post by kyosak » Feb 6th, '06, 06:25

God, I'm so desparate to watch more... But, I'll wait for the quality SARS release instead of looking for those horrible Korean soft subs... :X

BTW my friend told me a spoiler the other day :-( and I've been wondering if it's BIG or not... I was kind of pissed because the series seemed very promising from episode 1, so I'm hoping it isn't something major.
The fact that Yukiho gets married to some other guy.
I was wondering if someone could tell me with a simple answer. I don't really want to spoil anything else. :lol Thanks.
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Post by flcia » Feb 6th, '06, 14:44

okay...so far i'm still wandering: can this drama be passed off as dramatic? or tear-jerker by any chance?

i've got the sars version somewhere in my hard drive n tryin 2 decide whether 2 start or not...
i was actually expectin this drama 2 b lk sekachuu (cuz i enjoyed that) bt readin from the posts above it doesnt seem at all like that...hmmm...

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Post by Hirococo » Feb 6th, '06, 16:08

It's dramatic, but not exactly like the Sekachuu way. This drama is pretty dark and cruel. It's something you have to watch to see how it is pretty different from Sekachuu when it comes to plot and character-wise.

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Post by hchan » Feb 6th, '06, 16:23

Dear kyosak,
Yukiho will be married to Takamiya (her partner in the social dance club) according to the original novel. It seems to be true also in the drama as seen from the official website.

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Post by jaycee05 » Feb 6th, '06, 19:27

flcia wrote:okay...so far i'm still wandering: can this drama be passed off as dramatic? or tear-jerker by any chance?

i've got the sars version somewhere in my hard drive n tryin 2 decide whether 2 start or not...
i was actually expectin this drama 2 b lk sekachuu (cuz i enjoyed that) bt readin from the posts above it doesnt seem at all like that...hmmm...
It's dramatic. It could also passed as a tear-jerker, since my tears were welling up like water in a dike throughout the first episode. But this drama is black as sekachu is white. There are many similarities, but most of them is just the packaging as mizune mentioned far back in this thread. Mannnnnnnnn, I've never seen a drama like this for a long time. I was like giggling in horror and shock while seeing the plot unfolds in front of me.


Ep01 spoiler
The part after the detective ask the little boy, "you seem different than before." And the boy answered, "i'm getting used to it...that my father is dead." The dialogues arent exact, but the fact that he flashed a smile after saying those wrods. Creepy, isn't it? There is also a parallel scene for the young Yukiho...at the hospital, just before she said "I'm all alone now." She had the same expression as the boy.
"You couldn't kill for yourself, but you're capable of killing hundreds for others." Again, it's not exact, but that line is stuck in my head until now.

I watch the 1st ep with my friend and sister. We paused the video a few times coz we were arguing and discussing furiously about the turn of events. MOst of the time, I watch a drama and forget about it after I leave my seat. A few I take with me and daydream about like a silly girl. But this one got me lying on my bed, wide awake, thinking about what those kids have done.

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Post by kyosak » Feb 6th, '06, 23:58

hchan wrote:Dear kyosak,
Yukiho will be married to Takamiya (her partner in the social dance club) according to the original novel. It seems to be true also in the drama as seen from the official website.
Oh, I see. I guess it isn't such a big deal if it was shown in the official site. Thanks for the info.~! :P
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Post by Prince of Moles » Feb 7th, '06, 01:09

vtx wrote:Hmm, i feel Byakuyakou has a much more disturbing, darker theme then Kemono michi. I mean cmon, 11 year old kids committing murder, acts of child pornography, prostitution and other heinous crimes. Parents would probably think twice to let their young kids to watch this drama..let alone watching together with them. That's probably why ratings start to go downhill after the first ep...

Or another reason maybe the drama wasn't faithful enough to the original novel? It happens... :whistling:
Yeah I don't know why the rating are falling as well. But I agree with you, I think Byakuyakou is far darker than Kemonomichi (though I doubt any parent would let their young ones watch Kemonomichi either...).

Take your pick. Premeditated murders for money and power in Kemonomichi or the betrayals of trust and envy/jealousy in Byakuyako.

Or watch both, lol.

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Post by TG3 » Feb 7th, '06, 05:26

Byakuyakou is awesome! I agree with the sentiments above. It's hard to characterize this drama one way or another. On the one hand, it does have "Jun Ai" elements. On the other hand, it has a crime/mystery vibe to it. I can see why some fans of Sekachuu may be turned off from this, but I happen to really like this series. It's horrifying and tragic at the same time.

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Post by seneschal » Feb 7th, '06, 05:41

kyosak wrote:
The fact that Yukiho gets married to some other guy.
I was wonder if someone could tell me with a simple answer. I don't really want to spoil anything else. :lol Thanks.
I don't know any more than you, but I have a feeling it's true.
Episode 4 seems to foretell this with the guy who comes back from abroad.

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Post by vtx » Feb 7th, '06, 15:37

To Yukiho, her fake sun is Ryoji and her real sun is K.S, interesting metaphor. But to whom does Yukiho's heart really belong to? It's interesting to watch as the story unfolds. I would recommend Byakuyakou to those who wants a break from the generic romance dramas which involves the rich , the terminally ill, the sassy girl and so on and on...
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Post by suparstarx » Feb 8th, '06, 21:32

Blah.. I don't know japanese. Any chance someone can put up soft-subs? I had downloaded 2,3,4 RAWs. :(

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Post by Demiwing » Feb 9th, '06, 02:24

great drama, i watched 2 3 and 4 in Chinese soft subs, the plot is getting confusing because my chinese sucks. But finally i can find a place to discuss the plot! spoil away!

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Post by Demiwing » Feb 9th, '06, 02:27

who was that woman that has to help Ryouji and Matsaara in that bank thing? And why does she have to help her?
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Post by seneschal » Feb 9th, '06, 06:56

Demiwing wrote:
who was that woman that has to help Ryouji and Matsaara in that bank thing? And why does she have to help her?
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It was a woman who got conned into attending the gigolo party Matsuura had put together with Ryouji (I think it was in episode 2). She got disgusted at the party and left in the middle, dropping her business card by accident. Ryouji picked it up and realized that it would be useful in the ATM scam that he devised later. Since he had this evidence, he threatened her with exposure to her family so she succumbs and conspires with his little gang to make all the fake ATM magnetic strips an pins.
When Ryouji realized that she would give them up in the end, he sacrificed her to the yakuza by telling her he had arranged for her safe passage when in fact he alerted the gangsters to go to the hotel and do her in.
Hope I got everything right?

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Post by flcia » Feb 9th, '06, 12:25

I know i'm like a little behind but i've just finished the episode 1...
its completely creepy...
there's a deep meaning hidden behind every dialogue, every smile, every expressions...
just like jaycee05 pointed out above, the scene in the hospital when the little girl "half-smiled" when she was told that her mother was dead...its scary
when i think about it, the whole theme creeps me out...
but i have to say i find it a bit unbelievable how two 11-year olds will be able to live on the sin...
they two seem to be completely, even toooooo mature beyond their age
i think this drama really portrays human at their most evil level...all the evil sides of the characters were shown in one way or another...
i was awfully tense throughout the whole episode...it felt as if the two kids were being chased by their lies and one day (which will probably come soon) the truth will catch up and expose them out to the light...its like turning your head around and your beggest fear has appeared out of nowhere and before u know it, it has totally consumed u...
the thought is just disturbing...this is going to be one drama that is hard to watch...

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Post by Hirococo » Feb 9th, '06, 16:01

Holy crap. Ep 5 just made the series even darker than it already is. I honestly don't think I'll see another j-drama (tv series) as dark as this one for a long time (or ever)...

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