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[Discussion] Nemureru Mori no Jukujo

Posted: Sep 13th, '12, 16:36
by lullabye
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Title: よる☆ドラ 眠れる森の熟女
Title (romaji): Nemureru Mori no Jukujo
Also known as: Sleeping Jukujo
Broadcast network: NHK
Broadcast start: 4 September 2012
Air time: Tuesdays, 10.55pm

Synopsis
One day, 46-year-old full-time housewife Aizawa Chinami is suddenly asked by her husband Hiroshi to give him a divorce because he wants to marry his classmate from junior high school days. This woman is his first love, Moriyama Haruko, now the editor of a popular female magazine. They had reconnected through social media and he wishes to start life over again. And so, Chinami loses everything that she has created as a housewife because of her husband’s infidelity. Then there is the issue of custody of thier son, Kakeru. While in the midst of a difficult divorce settlement, a depressed Chinami indulges in alcohol at a hotel where she has memories of happier times with Hiroshi and gets absolutely foxed. The next morning, the person who had tended to Chinami anonymously introduces her to a cleaning job at the hotel. This person is actually Takaoka Yusuke, the young general manager of the hotel. Almost two times younger than Chinami, Yusuke is the son of the owner of the global chain of hotels, Hotel Takaoka International, and goes by the nickname “Prince”. In front of hotel staff, he behaves like the perfect man, but he is at heart a warped, loathsome character … …-Jdramas Wordpress

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Is anyone else watching this? What do you think of the letters to the anonymous benefactor as the catalyst for Chinami and Yusuke's relationship?
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Posted: Sep 28th, '12, 09:43
by raven_frost
I've watched the first two episodes, and then the fourth. It sounded like an enjoyable premise, and also very like a Korean drama in the hint of an older woman-younger man romance and the possibility that his cold, dark heart gets thawed.
When I finally watched it I thought that Yusuke's character was overexaggerated as having a black heart. He just hides his true character and thoughts behind a very prim and gentlemanly demeanour and no one knows that he's a sad, lonely boy on the brink of a loveless marriage orchestrated to further his family's interests and about to be undermined by his calculating stepmother. I guess therein lies the lack of tension between the two characters which could have made the drama more interesting. The two leads are also relatively new to headlining a drama, and it shows. And despite its best efforts, I can't feel any chemistry between the two of them (he is old enough to be her son) so when the sparks are probably supposed to start flying in Ep 5, I think I'd be very skeptical.

Posted: Sep 28th, '12, 12:20
by lullabye
From the comments on the official site, a lot of viewers agree that it is like a Korean drama.

I've enjoyed the acting by all the performers, especially the leads, so I differ with you on that. But I also don't see the sparks flying. I think that has more to do with the pacing of the story rather than the acting. How it changes to a romantic one so quickly in episode 5 is something I'm curious to see. Apparently alcohol is involved? Ah, liquid plot device....

Posted: Sep 29th, '12, 08:22
by raven_frost
I think they get better as the show goes on. I liked the part where Chinami had an indirect confrontation with Haruko and how it rocked the two of them to their core. The portrayal of a woman having to start life again at 46 feels realistic and I enjoy seeing how spunky Chinami is despite having her world turned inside out.

Alcohol gets to make a reappearance as the handy plot device. First Chinami in Ep 1, now Yusuke. He's known her background all along, so I believe Ep 5 is where she gets to learn about his complicated family and why he is not open with people.

Re: Nemurero Mori no Jukujo

Posted: Sep 29th, '12, 08:48
by Ethlenn
lullabye wrote:Is anyone else watching this? What do you think of the letters to the anonymous benefactor as the catalyst for Chinami and Yusuke's relationship?
This is not exactly a drama description, is it?
Please take a look at any [Discussion] tagged thread here and make a proper introduction, OK? Thank you.

Re: Nemurero Mori no Jukujo

Posted: Sep 29th, '12, 16:12
by lullabye
Ethlenn wrote:
lullabye wrote:Is anyone else watching this? What do you think of the letters to the anonymous benefactor as the catalyst for Chinami and Yusuke's relationship?
This is not exactly a drama description, is it?
Please take a look at any [Discussion] tagged thread here and make a proper introduction, OK? Thank you.
OK, I think it's proper now. Thanks for the courteous reminder.

Posted: Sep 30th, '12, 03:49
by lullabye
raven_frost wrote:I think they get better as the show goes on. I liked the part where Chinami had an indirect confrontation with Haruko and how it rocked the two of them to their core. The portrayal of a woman having to start life again at 46 feels realistic and I enjoy seeing how spunky Chinami is despite having her world turned inside out.
Chinami's situation is surprisingly realistic! It makes her character very sympathetic, because she acts like a woman who has been betrayed but is determined to make the best of a bad situation. The confrontation with Haruko...the attention to the shoes made my heart pound with sympathy. And the lipstick-stained tissue! These details put me right in Chinami's position, feeling the same sense of defeat and humiliation.
Alcohol gets to make a reappearance as the handy plot device. First Chinami in Ep 1, now Yusuke. He's known her background all along, so I believe Ep 5 is where she gets to learn about his complicated family and why he is not open with people.
I hadn't thought of that! You are right. It's interesting how Chinami and Yusuke, though seemingly very different, have a kind of balance. I'm beginning to see how they could have a fling despite the age difference, though I'm still not convinced either of them would be happy about it the next day.

Posted: Oct 9th, '12, 23:46
by raven_frost
The lift and letter cliffhanger!

The last two episodes solidified my perception of Yusuke as a poor little lost boy craving for affection and a soft touch deep down.
- His relationship with his dad is frigid, an heir and a spare (what age is this now?)
- His fiancee acts like she doesn't care, but has been putting on a show about the other man in her life
- His mother was dumped by his father and died a tragic death in an accident
- His stepbrother could have been his good friend, but has been cast as the rival by the parents
- His mentor is probably the only one remotely like a caring paternal figure to him
This reads like a Korean soap opera! And his m.o. appears to be cut losses before he sinks in deep. Everything around him is rather transactional. The drama has been entertaining.

On the other hand, Chinami's husband deserves a couple of kicks but so does Haruko for their selfishness.

Posted: Oct 10th, '12, 02:10
by lullabye
Yusuke just breaks my heart. I really don't see how he can get a good ending in this, but maybe the scriptwriter has a trick up his sleeve. If it keeps following a K-drama pattern, then all bets are off.

Episode 6 spoiler:
I loved the kitchen confrontation between the women, and cheating scum's call being put on handsfree.
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Posted: Oct 13th, '12, 01:25
by hey9
Does anyone know where to find Japanese subs of this? I'm really interested in watching this, even if I have to use google translate for the subtitles.

Posted: Oct 13th, '12, 03:17
by lullabye
hey9 wrote:Does anyone know where to find Japanese subs of this? I'm really interested in watching this, even if I have to use google translate for the subtitles.
I wish I knew! I've been reading Japanese bloggers in order to figure out the parts I'm not understanding. I'm half tempted to buy the book of the story in hopes of being able to read the letters exchange.

Posted: Oct 15th, '12, 04:37
by hey9
lullabye wrote:
hey9 wrote:Does anyone know where to find Japanese subs of this? I'm really interested in watching this, even if I have to use google translate for the subtitles.
I wish I knew! I've been reading Japanese bloggers in order to figure out the parts I'm not understanding. I'm half tempted to buy the book of the story in hopes of being able to read the letters exchange.
Is there a particular site where they post episode summaries? This isn' the typical drama I usually watch, and I don't know any of the actors, but I am interested in trying something different. The acting I've seen has been really good.

Posted: Oct 15th, '12, 06:47
by lullabye
hey9 wrote:
lullabye wrote:
hey9 wrote:Does anyone know where to find Japanese subs of this? I'm really interested in watching this, even if I have to use google translate for the subtitles.
I wish I knew! I've been reading Japanese bloggers in order to figure out the parts I'm not understanding. I'm half tempted to buy the book of the story in hopes of being able to read the letters exchange.
Is there a particular site where they post episode summaries? This isn' the typical drama I usually watch, and I don't know any of the actors, but I am interested in trying something different. The acting I've seen has been really good.
If you don't mind trying to figure out Japanese blog entries, my favorite so far has been http://ncc1701.jugem.jp/ . Scroll down for the links to each entry.

Posted: Oct 15th, '12, 15:24
by raven_frost
lullabye wrote:Yusuke just breaks my heart. I really don't see how he can get a good ending in this, but maybe the scriptwriter has a trick up his sleeve. If it keeps following a K-drama pattern, then all bets are off.

Episode 6 spoiler:
I loved the kitchen confrontation between the women, and cheating scum's call being put on handsfree.
Loved the scene too. But I couldn't hear the conversations clearly or even the expressions because the real-time screen quality is bad. Wouldn't it be funny if the women became good friends?

I don't think there'll be happy ever after. It seems too little time to deliver that with just 3 eps to go unless Chinami discovers that her letter writer is Yusuke in ep 7 and not some old man as everyone seems to think. Maybe a new state of self by the end of the drama?

Posted: Oct 16th, '12, 14:39
by raven_frost
I loved the scenes with Chinami and Haruko today.

I'm wondering if Yusuke's issues are going to end up conveniently forgotten, seeing how Ep 7 has developed. The big reveal looks like it will be next week and they still need to tie up the other ends.

Posted: Oct 19th, '12, 03:30
by hey9
@lullabye - thanks for the blog rec! I am using that and the official website episode summaries to scrape by lol. Kind of weird that Google translates the title to "Sleeping MILF" XD

Language aside, Yusuke and Chinami have really great chemistry. Usually with these older female younger male dramas, the female is someone like Ryoko Shinohara, and um, who isn't gonna fall in love with her? But Chinami isn't particularly beautiful or confident, but nor do I feel like she is "lucky" that Yusuke has fallen for her. It's refreshing.

Posted: Oct 19th, '12, 14:04
by lullabye
hey9 wrote:@lullabye - thanks for the blog rec! I am using that and the official website episode summaries to scrape by lol. Kind of weird that Google translates the title to "Sleeping MILF" XD
Yeah, first time I saw that, I was like :blink . Oh, Google, always translating Japanese into porn. It's really my main inspiration for taking Japanese classes, because I somehow never believed that a recipe should be translated to include steps that require handcuffs.
Language aside, Yusuke and Chinami have really great chemistry. Usually with these older female younger male dramas, the female is someone like Ryoko Shinohara, and um, who isn't gonna fall in love with her? But Chinami isn't particularly beautiful or confident, but nor do I feel like she is "lucky" that Yusuke has fallen for her. It's refreshing.
Yeah, I love that Chinami is so normal! And her reaction to Yusuke is also very normal. Sure, he's handsome, rich, and socially gracious, but he's a child compared to her, and his attentions seem very displaced. She's not one to ditch a man-child for an actual child.

Posted: Oct 27th, '12, 15:34
by lontong.stroong
NHK's drama has become more refreshing than ever, sadly no one is willing to put his/her efforts to sub these gems. Just look at Tsurukame Josanin's thread, it seems the only d-addicts' member commented there just doing monologues :cry:. There's even no thread related to Makete Katsu

After doing some skimmings (ep.1 only), I think this drama is really promising. Looking forward to watch this drama after the subs are available

Posted: Oct 28th, '12, 03:29
by lullabye
lontong.stroong wrote:NHK's drama has become more refreshing than ever, sadly no one is willing to put his/her efforts to sub these gems. Just look at Tsurukame Josanin's thread, it seems the only d-addicts' member commented there just doing monologues :cry:. There's even no thread related to Makete Katsu

After doing some skimmings (ep.1 only), I think this drama is really promising. Looking forward to watch this drama after the subs are available
Even without subs, this drama is great. The relationships are easy to follow if you know who the characters are, and the actors all have to ability to convey complexity without someone having to actually say what emotions they are conveying. Oh, thank you, excellent actors!

I haven't looked at Tsurukame Josanin yet. I'll have to give it a try. I am liking the NHK doramas I've seen so much this past year. There's so many I want to go back and watch, too! I want to see all the Drama 10s and the Yoru Dramas and the drama specials! If only I had more time!

Posted: Oct 28th, '12, 15:48
by chrissyllee
The soundtrack for this drama is so nice and i wish I knew where i can download it. I have the full theme song but I want the rest..

Posted: Oct 30th, '12, 14:24
by lullabye
chrissyllee wrote:The soundtrack for this drama is so nice and i wish I knew where i can download it. I have the full theme song but I want the rest..
NHK is always so slow to capitalize on these things. There are so many requests for the soundtrack and for a DVD for this series. If they would release a DVD with even just Japanese subs, I would be parting with my money.

Posted: Nov 2nd, '12, 02:41
by Samshikmomo
This drama's OST is available on Amazon USA's MP3 Store. Search "Nemureru mori no jukujo" on Amazon dot com and you'll see the album OST and each tune/song.

Posted: Nov 2nd, '12, 03:27
by lullabye
Samshikmomo wrote:This drama's OST is available on Amazon USA's MP3 Store. Search "Nemureru mori no jukujo" on Amazon dot com and you'll see the album OST and each tune/song.
OMG! I didn't expect that at all! I will definitely get it.

Posted: Nov 2nd, '12, 06:53
by lullabye
Well! That ending!

I've enjoyed this story so much. I suppose that I'd be disappointed with any kind of sequel, but I can't help wishing to follow the story longer.

Posted: Nov 2nd, '12, 07:43
by lontong.stroong
Somehow I can't find the x264 version of the second episode. Can someone help me to find the missing one?

Posted: Nov 11th, '12, 14:31
by Pantheria
This looks like such an interesting Drama. It really is a shame no one seems able to sub it. :(

Posted: Nov 11th, '12, 14:39
by lullabye
Pantheria wrote:This looks like such an interesting Drama. It really is a shame no one seems able to sub it. :(
I agree! I'd be happy even to get Japanese subs. I wonder if there are any?

Posted: Nov 11th, '12, 14:52
by Pantheria
I had a look around but couldn't find anything but I don't really know where to even look for Japanese subs. Not that they would help me LOL. I have the RAWS of this & it really does look super interesting.

Posted: Nov 11th, '12, 15:09
by lullabye
Pantheria wrote:I had a look around but couldn't find anything but I don't really know where to even look for Japanese subs. Not that they would help me LOL. I have the RAWS of this & it really does look super interesting.
Between the raws and doing my best to read the Japanese bloggers' summaries, I've mostly been able to figure out what happens. It helps that the acting is so good, and that there are a lot of scenes where the meaning is transmitted through expressions rather than words. I think I've watch each episode three times now, and plan to watch them all again. Someday, maybe I will be able to catch most of what is said!

Posted: Dec 21st, '12, 17:46
by koitsu
So I decided to sub episode 1 http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_125613.htm. I'll try to keep going though my pace won't be that great. Work and all. Just thought I'd keep you guys updated.

Posted: Dec 21st, '12, 18:00
by lullabye
koitsu wrote:So I decided to sub episode 1 http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_125613.htm. I'll try to keep going though my pace won't be that great. Work and all. Just thought I'd keep you guys updated.
Oh, thank you! Even slow, it's very appreciated!

Posted: Jul 4th, '14, 06:42
by hey9
Final episode:
I watched the raws when they originally came out, and have spent the past two years thinking Chinami and Yusuke's relationship ended with that letter. I had no idea Yusuke told her they could continue writing letters, or that she told him she fell in love with him :blink The power of subs...

Posted: Jul 11th, '14, 06:55
by lullabye
hey9 wrote:Final episode:
I watched the raws when they originally came out, and have spent the past two years thinking Chinami and Yusuke's relationship ended with that letter. I had no idea Yusuke told her they could continue writing letters, or that she told him she fell in love with him :blink The power of subs...
Definitely! It's a much more satisfying ending with the subs! :wub: