Vietnamese D-Addicts

[jane]

@jane

Not agree at point 2+3. For me is point 2 only a theory. So if Socialism is a kind where ppl work with their ABILITY and receive what they WANT. So just one question: What has VN-people allready receive for their ability?
Point 3: wherever you go, there are good people and bad people. We also have rascist ppl in VN.

i dont know if you are living in VN now? They practicing Capitalism for Economic THanks God!!! Vietnam Goverment kind of mix now, Politic : Socialism with Economic : Capitalism...
Becuz, Vietnam Goverment are mixing now, they cant really handle everything, if you know how to do business there, u can earn hell a lots
Man i would never hate a Vietnamase, even you are mix, you are still my bros and sis. Do you know meaning of the words " Đồng bào"???

@lantis

sure, not every vietnamese is communist, but the government is...
and that is what i dont like about vietnam!

I dont like it either, but i cant do nothing to change it, so i dont support em. But VN itself, i CANT WALK AWAY from MoTher LanD, man!!!
Anyway, chicks are chicks, diff taste then

I know the meaning of 'Dong Bao'. And I know the situation in VN. But the rules for handling in VN is not safty, maybe it's safty for ppl in VN but not for us and some company in EU.
I also live in Germany but I haven't see rascist ppl around me except on the TV.
But you have to know why somebody hate someone else. Beside Asian ppl don't show their feeling like a European or an American.

[leetran]

I know the meaning of 'Dong Bao'. And I know the situation in VN. But the rules for handling in VN is not safty, maybe it's safty for ppl in VN but not for us and some company in EU.
I also live in Germany but I haven't see rascist ppl around me except on the TV.
But you have to know why somebody hate someone else. Beside Asian ppl don't show their feeling like a European or an American.

I agree.
Man, once u r out of the country u r on ur own. US reporters killed like hell, what can they do, NOTHING, juz only receiving the death body back. Althought US is a big country compare to VN, smaller than a province of China.
Reporters do their jobs, telling you the truth of what happened... Then you should look for the artilces one month ago "China Shoes Hurt EU Workers", because of that thousands of workers in UE are unemployed... I can assure u, u will hate me if i take away your job
Anyway, that's a good sign, Asia countries are growing again...
Asian ppl are implicit in General. But i dont feel it right, it's something like hiding something from u, lying to you. In US and Western case, they are explicit, more problems can be solved...

[jane]

I agree.
Man, once u r out of the country u r on ur own. US reporters killed like hell, what can they do, NOTHING, juz only receiving the death body back. Althought US is a big country compare to VN, smaller than a province of China.
Reporters do their jobs, telling you the truth of what happened... Then you should look for the artilces one month ago "China Shoes Hurt EU Workers", because of that thousands of workers in UE are unemployed... I can assure u, u will hate me if i take away your job
Anyway, that's a good sign, Asia countries are growing again...
Asian ppl are implicit in General. But i dont feel it right, it's something like hiding something from u, lying to you. In US and Western case, they are explicit, more problems can be solved...

I see you take advantage of telling all what you think when you are still in Malaysia
I like this side of you.
I hope our country will growing up like other states of Asia. But I think VN has not only to change in the Economy but also change in the Politics (maybe the Politics like Germany ) .

But you're right. Let's talk about the Korean serie. I think you like Song Hye Kyo huh?
I like her too. I've just finish Shining Day (Sunshine Of Love) in which Song Hye Kyo is the lead.
I know here some students from VN. They like Korean serie very much. But when they are here in Germany, there are no time more to watch serie. They work beside the study.

[NanYueh]

I also live in Germany but I haven't see rascist ppl around me except on the TV.
But you have to know why somebody hate someone else. Beside Asian ppl don't show their feeling like a European or an American.

I don't know what the situation in Germany is now, but just 10 years ago Germany was a really, really scary place for Vietnamese. The neo-Nazi skinheads used to go around looking FOB Viets and taunting them. I guess it's expected, Germans had a racist past.

[NanYueh]

im vietnamese too! was born in vietnam...but i moved to germany when i was about 3 years old.
although i do know how to write/read and speak vietnamese...im not very proud of it,
coz vietnam hasn't achieve anything yet...still communists...living-standard kinda sucks...and NO hot girls compared to other asian countries

Hey, Lantis... are you sure you're Viet? You don't sound like it. How would your parents react if you told them that you were ashamed of your own race? They'd disown you and forget you like the scum under their shoes.

Go ahead...tell a Korean, Chinese or Japanese guy, how ashamed you are that you're Vietnamese. Yeah like they'd care, those elitist snobs already look down on your culture, and especially those who are ashamed of their own culture, like yourself.

Go ahead and tell it to a white guy. Sure, he may be nice to you but he'll still treat you like a second class citizen. 'Cause deep down, you're still a little, yellow man to them.

The only friends you might end up are black people, but I would doubt they'd want to associate with someone as you.

MORAL OF THE STORY: THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU CAN TURN TO IS VIET PEOPLE! SO PLEASE DON'T DISRESPECT YOUR OWN PEOPLE !

[jane]

I also live in Germany but I haven't see rascist ppl around me except on the TV.
But you have to know why somebody hate someone else. Beside Asian ppl don't show their feeling like a European or an American.

I don't know what the situation in Germany is now, but just 10 years ago Germany was a really, really scary place for Vietnamese. The neo-Nazi skinheads used to go around looking FOB Viets and taunting them. I guess it's expected, Germans had a racist past.

I agree that Germans had a racist past. But not everyone is a racist like not every Viets is a communist
When you hear the news or have learned about the history, there are not only in Germany where racist ppl exist. In the USA there are also racist ppl, think about the Ku Klux Klan.
There are also rasict pll in the Russian Federation who hunt Vietnamese and African students. In Southern of France rasict ppl also exist...... Everywhere you go you'll see rasicm. So don't be afraid to visit Germany these rasict ppl are only 1% of the population.

[NanYueh]

I agree that Germans had a racist past. But not everyone is a racist like not every Viets is a communist
When you hear the news or have learned about the history, there are not only in Germany where racist ppl exist. In the USA there are also racist ppl, think about the Ku Klux Klan.
There are also rasict pll in the Russian Federation who hunt Vietnamese and African students. In Southern of France rasict ppl also exist...... Everywhere you go you'll see rasicm. So don't be afraid to visit Germany these rasict ppl are only 1% of the population.

The big difference is that Germany had systematic racism. As a result, 6 million Jews died.

[surrealistic-destiny]

I agree that Germans had a racist past. But not everyone is a racist like not every Viets is a communist
When you hear the news or have learned about the history, there are not only in Germany where racist ppl exist. In the USA there are also racist ppl, think about the Ku Klux Klan.
There are also rasict pll in the Russian Federation who hunt Vietnamese and African students. In Southern of France rasict ppl also exist...... Everywhere you go you'll see rasicm. So don't be afraid to visit Germany these rasict ppl are only 1% of the population.

Yeah, I have to agree. 'Sides I think regardless of country, there have been many acts of racism. I mean in terms of American with the Black Slavery and the forceful removal of Indians off their land. Australia is similar with the Aborningies. *didn't spell that right..>>;;* Germany does have a racist past however when you think of it weren't they rather brainwashed by AH? *don't like writing his name* It was only through his crazy schemes did everything fall into place. *studied Nazi Germany last year ^^;;*

Its sad that it still exists. I think it just reveals how some people can't let go of thier hate or are influenced by it ie. Neo-Nazis. Try reading Falling, it deals with such issues, pretty good I read it in year 11. Another thing like some people denying the Holcast, stupid really ie. Australian historian David Irving. How can you deny it? Ah sorry people I think I got off track...

this is a depressing topic but its better talking about it then denying it i guess.

[leetran]

@jane

I see you take advantage of telling all what you think when you are still in Malaysia
I like this side of you. thumright

That's how Ho Chi Minh did... he travlled around the world, to learn how to save his nation, his " DONG BAO"... On Espn they have " Do it like pro" teach you how to play sports like those professionals. Learning from the past, from how ppl success, it will help u get a way out may be...

I hope our country will growing up like other states of Asia. But I think VN has not only to change in the Economy but also change in the Politics (maybe the Politics like Germany Smile ) .

So far, there is a big question to everyone wanting VN to become a developed country...

But you're right. Let's talk about the Korean serie. I think you like Song Hye Kyo huh? Smile
I like her too. I've just finish Shining Day (Sunshine Of Love) in which Song Hye Kyo is the lead.

Man, the connection over here damn slow. It takes me 2 days to dl 700MB per Ep.
This is an accident, when i saw a gal here who look like SHK . i dont get a chance to get close to her...

I know here some students from VN. They like Korean serie very much. But when they are here in Germany, there are no time more to watch serie. Smile They work beside the study. Smile

Hahaha i'm in finall year, ma parents do not allow me to work anymore. i have to spend all day long study in the lib, at home. Then i found Kdrama to ease me from stress.
Internatinal Students are not allow to works parttime or fulltime freely here in Malaysia. If you got caught, he will be forever gone

@NanYueh,surrealistic-destiny
I found u guys interested in HIStory same as me. Keep up the good works. Pls share me more story u guys have. THx

[jane]

@NanYeuh, I don't know where you live, but if you live in Germany you will see that not every Germans is a rasict. Why do all Germans have to pay thing what Hitler and his government had done? While the II. World War there were many Germans resistance groups, so you can see that not every one liked what Hitler did. Beside Hitler is from Austria. So why don't you hate Austrian?

@surrealistic-destiny, yes it's sad that some Germans don't learn anything about the past. But the government try to forbidden all Neo-Nazis party in Germany.
I've heard about David Irving last days I can't believe that historian can tell something stupid like that.

[jane]

That's how Ho Chi Minh did... he travlled around the world, to learn how to save his nation, his " DONG BAO"... On Espn they have " Do it like pro" teach you how to play sports like those professionals. Learning from the past, from how ppl success, it will help u get a way out may be...

I hope you learn something better than Ho Chi Minh
His people had graved land owner lively (you know about to\a a/n nha^n da^n?) and killed alot of Vietnamese in Hue (1968) without reason. (I've seen that in a documentary)

Man, the connection over here damn slow. It takes me 2 days to dl 700MB per Ep.
This is an accident, when i saw a gal here who look like SHK . i dont get a chance to get close to her...

Maybe it's Song Hye Kyo
Are you living in a student house? Some student house in Germany you are not allow to use Bittorent.

Hahaha i'm in finall year, ma parents do not allow me to work anymore. i have to spend all day long study in the lib, at home. Then i found Kdrama to ease me from stress.
Internatinal Students are not allow to works parttime or fulltime freely here in Malaysia. If you got caught, he will be forever gone

I don't know that Malaysia don't allow international student to work. That's bad. Don't they allow int. student to work in university as assistent too?

[leetran]

I hope you learn something better than Ho Chi Minh Smile
His people had graved land owner lively (you know about to\a a/n nha^n da^n?) and killed alot of Vietnamese in Hue (1968) without reason. (I've seen that in a documentary)

If you have, can you share me that stuff in private? I cant tell u anything now, have to see it first.

Maybe it's Song Hye Kyo Big Smile
Are you living in a student house? Some student house in Germany you are not allow to use Bittorent.

I always wish is her, my SHK
Man, nearly 60% of Asian households are using a pirate version of Windows. Bittorent means nothing here

I don't know that Malaysia don't allow international student to work. That's bad. Don't they allow int. student to work in university as assistent too?

Yes, now they change a lil. We have to pay 10RM per year to get a working pass. It's so complicated to get that as well. Wow Assistent is sux man. Nothing much to do, to learn... u'd better spend sometime to read book or something...

[photaibo]

Everywhere you go you'll see rasicm. So don't be afraid to visit Germany these rasict ppl are only 1% of the population.

hehe.. it is much less than 1 %... 1 % would mean 800.000 Neonazis in Germany, but actually, they're only about 50.000.... and they dont do nothing, when they r alone... like most idiots, they can only act with a bunch of ppl around them...

[jane]

If you have, can you share me that stuff in private? I cant tell u anything now, have to see it first.

I understand you, it sounds very incredible for you. I'll try to get the documentary for you. But here's some information I've found in the internet:

http://ngothelinh.tripod.com/Hue.html
http://moderntimes.vcdh.virginia.edu/HI ... s/hue.html

Man, nearly 60% of Asian households are using a pirate version of Windows. Bittorent means nothing here

I don't mean so. Because use Bittorent you have to leech. You can dl but not ul.

Wow Assistent is sux man. Nothing much to do, to learn... u'd better spend sometime to read book or something...

I think to work as an assistent is better than to work at a shop.
In which town of Malaysia do you study? Why don't you choose Europe, Australia or Amerika as your study-town


@photaibo, I think nobody will believe us that the Neo-Nazis is smaller than our little finger. Germans have a bad past like Japan.

[leetran]

@jane
Check out this guy: Hoang Minh Chinh
http://www.hdvnbtdt.org/article.php3?id_article=94
he's ma friend's granddad...

This is i hate about those ppl the most. When they critisize u, take it as your mistake from ppl point of view, as something you have to improve improve on, but then they dont take it that way... In my opinion, he is a whistle blower!!!
Hey, i think we have to stop here and now. I will tell u more if i'm no longer holding a vietnam rep. socialist passport hahahah!!!

Bittorrent, man if i was the president of US. i will ban this stuff. This is the fastest way to share a DVD through out the whole world hahaha....

Different places, different situations.
Now we are in the globalization age. I can purchase an UK degree with 1/3 price, here . I think i will do ma Master and MBA online .

[NanYueh]

@jane
Check out this guy: Hoang Minh Chinh
http://www.hdvnbtdt.org/article.php3?id_article=94
he's ma friend's granddad...

This is i hate about those ppl the most. When they critisize u, take it as your mistake from ppl point of view, as something you have to improve improve on, but then they dont take it that way... In my opinion, he is a whistle blower!!!

To you, he's a whistle blower but to many others, he's a hero (anh hu`ng). Why? 'Cause he has the courage to speak out for those who don't dare, even though he is risking the safety of his family and himself. That takes courage. Courage of a real hero.

[NanYueh]

@NanYeuh, I don't know where you live, but if you live in Germany you will see that not every Germans is a rasict. Why do all Germans have to pay thing what Hitler and his government had done? While the II. World War there were many Germans resistance groups, so you can see that not every one liked what Hitler did. Beside Hitler is from Austria. So why don't you hate Austrian?

@surrealistic-destiny, yes it's sad that some Germans don't learn anything about the past. But the government try to forbidden all Neo-Nazis party in Germany.
I've heard about David Irving last days I can't believe that historian can tell something stupid like that.

(Opps! I hope I didn't strike a tense nerve there, Jane. Don't mean to put a negative picture on your country or anything, I'm just trying to be objective).

Isn't it so much easier to blame it on a scapegoat for all the world's problems. But who were the top officials in the SS? Germans or Austrians? Didn't Germans put Hitler in power or did he force his way into power? You see, it's all in the public conscience. You just need another Hitler-wanna-be and the Fourth Reich raises to power. There's nothing in German's consitution like there is in Japan's.

Anyway, why we're talking about this at all in beyond me. If you feel safe being in German, I'm happy for ya.

[leetran]

@NanYueh
It's juz my OPINION. He's a hero may be, but a crazy one. See how HCM did against French... If you dont know how to be a great one, ur life sacrified for nothing!!!

He he he's an expert in Marxism-Leninism, been studying for 30++. So he can straight away tell u what's wrong with that shiet :p. For e.g: I used and studied about computers for 10years. If your computer has problem, give me 5mins i will tell u what's wrong with your computer
EVERY SYSTEM HAS ITS ERROR!!!
Those Doctrines are theory. Theory may not fit into the pratical Because Theory is other people's idea, not yours, not your people's.
I read in a book about Socialism, "Socialism is the highest level of human society" but "Socialism is the Utopian". Let's See, they might kill emselves if they are continue following this Crazy, Impossible Dream!!!

I'm a neutralist, whoever win the game, i dont lose anything... hahaha

[NanYueh]

@NanYueh
It's juz my OPINION. He's a hero may be, but a crazy one. See how HCM did against French... If you dont know how to be a great one, ur life sacrified for nothing!!!

Yup, that's *your* opinion and you're entitled to it since you're temporarily on soil which allows freedom of speech. Sadly, I wouldn't get the same privilege if I were in Vietnam right now.

Crazy hero? That's the same thing they said about HCM he tried to rebelled against the French, and then went to Hong Kong to ask for help from the Chinese communists. What did they do to him? Jailed him like a common thug!! So it's a matter of perspective, my friend.

I've heard all the arguments about the "hero" HCM. And I'm still unconvinced he is one. During WII, the French had mobilized most of their troops to fight against the Germans. When Japan left Vietnam immediately after an unconditional surrender to the Americans, it left a tremendous power gap in which the Viet Minh took over power by default. French moved its forces back to its colonies and fighting resumed but by then French forces were tremendously weakened by losses against the Germans. Vietnam was split into 2 countries by Geneva accord. And the rest is history. But HCM never spoke for me. My family never asked to be rescued. None of the "Southern brothers" were in dire need of rescuing. In fact, we were living well, much better than our "Northern brothers", well fed and enjoying good economic times. This "need of rescuing" was all a figment of the imagination turned into propaganda by one Communist leader in the North.

@leetran, if you seek the truth then NOW is your opportunity. Get both sides of the story while you're still outside of Vietnam, not just what you've been told in your Viet school.

[leetran]

Yup, that's *your* opinion and you're entitled to it since you're temporarily on soil which allows freedom of speech. Sadly, I wouldn't get the same privilege if I were in Vietnam right now.

Crazy hero? That's the same thing they said about HCM he tried to rebelled against the French, and then went to Hong Kong to ask for help from the Chinese communists. What did they do to him? Jailed him like a common thug!! So it's a matter of perspective, my friend.

I've heard all the arguments about the "hero" HCM. And I'm still unconvinced he is one. During WII, the French had mobilized most of their troops to fight against the Germans. When Japan left Vietnam immediately after an unconditional surrender to the Americans, it left a tremendous power gap in which the Viet Minh took over power by default. French moved its forces back to its colonies and fighting resumed but by then French forces were tremendously weakened by losses against the Germans. Vietnam was split into 2 countries by Geneva accord. And the rest is history. But HCM never spoke for me. My family never asked to be rescued. None of the "Southern brothers" were in dire need of rescuing. In fact, we were living well, much better than our "Northern brothers", well fed and enjoying good economic times. This "need of rescuing" was all a figment of the imagination turned into propaganda by one Communist leader in the North.

@leetran, if you seek the truth then NOW is your opportunity. Get both sides of the story while you're still outside of Vietnam, not just what you've been told in your Viet school.

U know the story but u dont get the point. The point is HCM was waitting in patient and rising like a star in the sky at the right moment. HMC did the wrong one, fight with em when they are strong... Nothing more than Suicide... In the Sun Tzu's Asian Art of War: 36 Strategies. Run away is the best of the best strategy .
Ha ha History is the story telling by the different ppl, I dont choose to trust anyone. I studied in a International School, luckly i dont have to listen to all that. All ma knowlegde is through reading by myself. I read about the bad side of Socialism and Capitalism... I dont like BOTH.
Cac cu. ngay xua noi, "Thang lam vua, thua lam giac". At that moment of time, the whole world in a mess. Y dont someone on the "Southern Side" stand up and fight. Y dont you guys let HCM win?
I like HISTORY only, but something relate to POLITIC, sorry I DONT CARE!!!

[NanYueh]

@leetran, wanna know what a real hero is? Look up Mahatma Gandhi.

Gandhi led his people's struggle for independence from British rule through *non-violent resistance* and without sacrificing 4-5 million of his ddo^`ng ba`o (countrymen) like HCM did.

Gandhi was a great teacher, pacifist and leader, empowering millions of his own countrymen and other colonial peoples to fight for their independence through non-violent means. You should really read about him and learn what a *real* hero is all about.

[NanYueh]

U know the story but u dont get the point. The point is HCM was waitting in patient and rising like a star in the sky at the right moment. HMC did the wrong one, fight with em when they are strong... Nothing more than Suicide... In the Sun Tzu's Asian Art of War: 36 Strategies. Run away is the best of the best strategy .
Ha ha History is the story telling by the different ppl, I dont choose to trust anyone. I studied in a International School, luckly i dont have to listen to all that. All ma knowlegde is through reading by myself. I read about the bad side of Socialism and Capitalism... I dont like BOTH.
Cac cu. ngay xua noi, "Thang lam vua, thua lam giac". At that moment of time, the whole world in a mess. Y dont someone on the "Southern Side" stand up and fight. Y dont you guys let HCM win?
I like HISTORY only, but something relate to POLITIC, sorry I DONT CARE!!!

You don't make sense at all. You say you don't care about politics, but you're the one who bought up HCM and how great he is because he lead the Viet people. That's not politics? And you're missing the whole point, you see he was not a great military strategist as you think. He had plenty of help, especially from the likes of Vo Nguyen Giap.

"Southern Side" stand up and fight? Ha ha... and more people die for nothing? Especially now Vietnam is kissing US ass? Ho is probably turning over his grave right now because those 4-5 million dong bao died in vain.

ANYWAY, let's just talk about dramas and leave it as it is...Peace!

[kaisha8]

hi,
was just wondering if this site have viet dubbed series

[leetran]

Dont know then. Juz forget about that Freaking HISTORY!!!
Ve viec cua HMC la vo bo. Trong cai thoi dai nay, toi phai modify la cau noi cua Uncle HO: Khong co viec gi kho', chi so tien khong nhieu, dao nui va lap bien, khong lam duoc thi THUE.
Strategy chinh cua US trong chuong trinh toan cau la chinh sach " Cay Gay va cu Carrot"... Vua Danh vua Xoa... Dung Gay de danh, Dung cu Carrot (money) de bit mieng neu phan doi!!! Dau tranh nhu vay khong con phu hop cho the ky 21 nay nua!!!

Anyway,Enjoy our Drama first!!!

@kaisha8
I dont think they have vietnamese Version yet:D

[jane]

@leetran,
I've read this site you've give to me. I admire this person, because he has courage to criticize the government. The government does wrong by resting him in a jail though he hasn't kill someone or destroy something.
You know I live here in Germany where many party exist. The government of German is built of two or more party (because they must reach over 50% of the parliament to build a government). The rest of the parliament is call as the opposition, who always criticize the government. Do you know why? You see if there is only an opinion so that is no problem to solute something, but if you hear criticize you have to think 'what have we do wrong?' so you have to change.
In VN the government doesn't let people to criticize him. That's bad because it's like a dictatorship or a monarchy.

Sometime I really miss VN but I don't want to live in VN when I can't tell thing I like to tell.
In Germany a lot of people criticize and write literatures to criticize the government but they aren't arrested into jail.

If you've read something about the history of Europe you'll know that 'oppinion liberty' isn't appear by it self. People had to fight to get this oppinion liberty.

@NahYeuh,
AH had used the right time to get the government. I don't like him too cause he killed so many innocent people. I was one time in KFZ Buchenwald at the concentrate camp. In the house where the Nazis had killed his prisoner and burned them, there I still smelt the corps and I got cold.
I live in western of Germany maybe that why I don't meet any Neo-Nazis.

[leetran]

@Jane
It's not possible to change like that!!!
If we dont have Mr.HCM, not only VN the whole SouthEastAsia will be another Middle East now! VN will be a another Military base like SouthKorea, they will use VN as Israel now to control 9 countries around and to take care of Big China above.
Check out this OIL BASINS map, u will know y i call another Middle East in SEA!!! At least 6 Countries are fighting for this OIL BASINS, include VN and China...

If HMC wins, what will be change? US will take part in, there is another Iraq in SEA... There is a party supported by US created, others Communist will do everything to get back what they lost... But then what can we change???
This is a game and theory stuff created by US. Vietnamese in General are victims!!!
I dont wanna see VN go thru another war again...!!! They will use VN ppl against VN ppl again. They give some money to support that party but they benefit lots from it!!! US becomes richer after every single war....
Changing takes time, not in a eye blink!!!

[NanYueh]

@leetran, your argument that VN and SEA would have been another Middle East is pure speculation and without proof. It's exactly what someone who is anti-US would say.

Let me ask you something, didn't we go through a war that is 1000 times worst than the Middle East because of HCM??

The fact of the matter is VN did not need HCM. He is not someone great as you may think he is. Why?

1) At the end of WII, most of the colony powers were giving independence back to their colonies. Colonialism was soon becoming a thing of the past. Just look at India. Gandhi won India's independence through non-violent resistance, without the need to go to war and killing 4-5 million of his countrymen like HCM did. Gandhi did all that without bloodshed and families being destroyed. HCM is responsible for needlessly bringing 4-5 million people to their deaths because VN could have gained independence without going to war.

2) Gandhi taught his people in so many ways that violence is not the key, whereas HCM taught his people that violence is the only means to a resolution. HCM was never a good diplomat, a key ingredient for being a great leader, and that's why war was the only option for him.

So if you were ask again who is a real hero, I'd say Gandhi is a real hero and HCM is not.

It's funny you talk about Korea. You see how Korea has prospered as an economic power? And this is under US influence. Even if the US has a military base in Korea, it was to offset the power imbalance of China and North Korea in the area and to stop the spread of Communism, just like in South Vietnam. They weren't a colony power like the French was. They just wanted to stop Communism!

On the subject of about Korea, what about Hong Kong. Hong Kong was a British colony, did its citizens ever complain about being British rule while enjoying great economic prosperity? No, they complained and protested when they were being returned to Red China.

We've all seen the Korean and Hong Kong dramas and we know these two countries enjoy much better living standards than Vietnam, but we forget these two countries are about the same or smaller in area and have less natural resources than Vietnam. So it's my opinion that If HCM didn't bring the war, Vietnam would have been an economic tiger much like Korea or Hong Kong today and millions of our countrymen would not have died in vain.

[babigrl]

wha's the point of arguing about these issues? it's been over and done with...and i'm sure whatever those ppl did they did it for a reason and i'm grateful so u guys chill

[Lantis]

im vietnamese too! was born in vietnam...but i moved to germany when i was about 3 years old.
although i do know how to write/read and speak vietnamese...im not very proud of it,
coz vietnam hasn't achieve anything yet...still communists...living-standard kinda sucks...and NO hot girls compared to other asian countries

Hey, Lantis... are you sure you're Viet? You don't sound like it. How would your parents react if you told them that you were ashamed of your own race? They'd disown you and forget you like the scum under their shoes.

Go ahead...tell a Korean, Chinese or Japanese guy, how ashamed you are that you're Vietnamese. Yeah like they'd care, those elitist snobs already look down on your culture, and especially those who are ashamed of their own culture, like yourself.

Go ahead and tell it to a white guy. Sure, he may be nice to you but he'll still treat you like a second class citizen. 'Cause deep down, you're still a little, yellow man to them.

The only friends you might end up are black people, but I would doubt they'd want to associate with someone as you.

MORAL OF THE STORY: THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU CAN TURN TO IS VIET PEOPLE! SO PLEASE DON'T DISRESPECT YOUR OWN PEOPLE !

dont know where u live, but i like it here in germany!
NO one in my area treats me as an immigrant or something like that.
and there are a lot of people who admire me because i have more talents then the most of them and that i have a multi-lingual education. so if u dont what u write ,then just keep quiet,k? i know that prejudices exist..but im very glad that i dont experience them.

and yes i told my parents, that i dont like the COUNTRY,not the people, vietnam how it is now! and guess why my parents moved to germany???

and yes, i like other asians more...if u dont like...tell it your friends..coz i dont care,k?^^

[leetran]

NanYueh
Check out urs and mine formal president... http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dummies ... -1655.html
̣Uncle Ho Vs Ngo Dinh Diem President
I juz dont want other peole to settle vietnamese ppl problems.
I dont support Communist, and same for you guys too... If i had a chance, i will stand in the middle to settle this shiet. That's what US always do, see people quarrel and fight. You guys are all dumb: Communist is Conservative and backward thinking, Southern VN people are Corward and living with A long-standing feud. I have to remind, you are not Vietnamese Citizens, anything you do against other country is not allowed by international law. You cant claim anything once your people ran away from your motherland, communist they were fight for it... the winner takes it all.
I know the story of the Ambassador of Replic of VN who works in Malaysia 1975. After he knew that RVN is lost in the war, right away he hang himself. Samurai's Spirit... That's called a hero man...
Our red flag yellow star is recorgnized by all over the world, How many people remember and know about you yellow colors with 3 red lines?

You dont need to know y i know and how i know or i dont need to prove anything. I had a chance to see some "good stuff" not all the normal ppl can see... If you want to see what they want to do for us, you have to think like a real American, you are V-A living with feud against Communist, you cant see anything at all.
VN Goverment juz have to give up a new discovered OIL Basin to US, because they want to join WTO, who benefit here? U, me, or US?
So if you think u guys had back SAIGON, does those ppl wanna live under u guys control? SAIGON now is a main economical city, communist wont give it up, man... People dont like the situation right now, but they also dont want a big change man. So you want to go back to SAIGON to build night clubs, prositute, military base,... more than what communist do now by building school, higher educational institue, hospital...???
U want to increase the standard of living, wana VN to be a asian dragon, y dont you guys invest to VN. FDI are welcome, y you must have it back the country? Keep on dreaming...
U said u dont want war, then i have to repeat, if HMC wins, there is another war. Between VN ppl against VNppl...
Man, that's your uneducated point of view. They considered Gandhi and HCM as two heroes of the world. Billions people on earth cant be wrong... If you are right prove it for the rest of the world, if you can hahaha... Only by talking to me does make anything change at all...
Read this dude, you will know y Replic of Vietnam and US lost... http://www.vietquoc.com/whylost.htm.
You guy only good at talking, you guy juz cant do anything at all. The past showed plus i can see it from the present ppl right now.
Honestly, I'm very dissappointed of u all, communist and southern VN...

[jane]

@leetran,
you said VN try to get better in economy. So there are many investors from Europe, Australia, Amerika, Korea and Japan in VN know. Is this not another form of colonialism?
But colonialism in economy
Many western employers come to VN because they gain more money in a development area than in an industrial area. I think it's good so for VN because VN economy will get better if we have investors of western. Besides we will learn more how to plan, how to produce,...
But this form of mutual learning already exicted in Southern VN before 1975. HCM only though the Southern Vietnamese had suffered by the USA colonialism and wanted to drive the USA away from VN.

I don't really understand the VN government at present... because at first they drived the France, Australia, Japan, USA away and now the let them all in...

But there is a point I can't forgive the government of VN at present. I don't remember that any king had given land to China or any country. They all fought for our freedom and our land. But at year 2002 I have read a report in the BBC News. I was very angry. You know Lang Son is a famous 'town' of Vietnam. Where ever I read it describe that our map begins from Lang Son to Ca Mau. But the VN government at present decided to give Lang Son to China. What do you think about that?
Although South Vietnamese let the USA based in Vietnam but they didn't sold land and didn't give up land to every country. The VN government at present always called South Vietnamese are traitors, but now who's the traitor?

For your information: this is a photoshot of the BBC-News.

@babgirl, we only exchange our oppinion like civilian ppl. We don't fight like ppl in a war.
Besides as a Vietnamese you have to discuss about Vietnam. Vietnam war is over that's right, but to understand each other you have to discuss.

[jane]

NanYueh
Check out urs and mine formal president... http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dummies ... -1655.html
̣Uncle Ho Vs Ngo Dinh Diem President
I juz dont want other peole to settle vietnamese ppl problems.
I dont support Communist, and same for you guys too... If i had a chance, i will stand in the middle to settle this shiet. That's what US always do, see people quarrel and fight. You guys are all dumb: Communist is Conservative and backward thinking, Southern VN people are Corward and living with A long-standing feud. I have to remind, you are not Vietnamese Citizens, anything you do against other country is not allowed by international law. You cant claim anything once your people ran away from your motherland, communist they were fight for it... the winner takes it all.
I know the story of the Ambassador of Replic of VN who works in Malaysia 1975. After he knew that RVN is lost in the war, right away he hang himself. Samurai's Spirit... That's called a hero man...
Our red flag yellow star is recorgnized by all over the world, How many people remember and know about you yellow colors with 3 red lines?

You dont need to know y i know and how i know or i dont need to prove anything. I had a chance to see some "good stuff" not all the normal ppl can see... If you want to see what they want to do for us, you have to think like a real American, you are V-A living with feud against Communist, you cant see anything at all.
VN Goverment juz have to give up a new discovered OIL Basin to US, because they want to join WTO, who benefit here? U, me, or US?
So if you think u guys had back SAIGON, does those ppl wanna live under u guys control? SAIGON now is a main economical city, communist wont give it up, man... People dont like the situation right now, but they also dont want a big change man. So you want to go back to SAIGON to build night clubs, prositute, military base,... more than what communist do now by building school, higher educational institue, hospital...???
U want to increase the standard of living, wana VN to be a asian dragon, y dont you guys invest to VN. FDI are welcome, y you must have it back the country? Keep on dreaming...
U said u dont want war, then i have to repeat, if HMC wins, there is another war. Between VN ppl against VNppl...
Man, that's your uneducated point of view. They considered Gandhi and HCM as two heroes of the world. Billions people on earth cant be wrong... If you are right prove it for the rest of the world, if you can hahaha... Only by talking to me does make anything change at all...
Read this dude, you will know y Replic of Vietnam and US lost... http://www.vietquoc.com/whylost.htm.
You guy only good at talking, you guy juz cant do anything at all. The past showed plus i can see it from the present ppl right now.
Honestly, I'm very dissappointed of u all, communist and southern VN...

Wow, I was very astonished to see what you've written. I don't understand anything more...
what do you mean with you guys? who's only talking? after all what you written why are you very dissappointed of communist and southern VN?... explain nearly

[leetran]

Jane. U dont have to understand...

You should read more history about the past. Centuries ago, about how VN fight against China colonization time. After every single time we win the war against China. U know what those ppl did? They have to collect pretty gals, treasures and all to give to China. Juz for them to not disturb us anymore. That's small country strategy.
Man, for your information, VN gives up land to China, Oil basin to US, juz because we want to go in WTO. We will have more chance for development.
We are grow on our OWN FEET, we dont have to base 100̀ percent on US Aids and Army Forces like what Replic of VṆ... Vietnam Cong Hoa... did last time... The history proved that's wrong, the RVN died young, 1945-1975, after US lost too much in the war. Army forces went back home, no more aids. They are nothing, they cant do anything, juz run away... www.vietquoc.com/whylost.htm.
One more reason because VN is supported by the whole Communist Bloc last time.

Now even better, We have many countries investment, so if US dont want to invest anymore we r still servive. And it related to economic benefit. All of them, they wont give up... That's i know for sure... US cant do anything themselves, cuz VN is supporting by many countries. If anything happen to us, CHina, EU and SEA and UN will raise a voice for us.

I don't really understand the VN government at present... because at first they drived the France, Australia, Japan, USA away and now the let them all in... --->>> Foreign Direct Investment...
We are not in a hardcore war like last time. If it's a war, we lost for sure. The US's war technology now is much more advanced than the old day, 1945-1975. But we are in the economy war, not cold war, a peaceful but deathly war, they juz own it temporary. All the INTERNATIONAL Contracts only lasted for 20 years. Us, you and me, we are the one who should take that all back one day. That's how all the SEA countries did...


ALL OF THEM, Communist and Republic of VN now. They are freaking SELFISH, They only fight for POWER. They DONT CARE ABOUT FUTURE, THE PIONEERs, THE YOUNGSTERs OF THE NATION... WE ARE FUTURE... WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OURSELVES...
I ALWAYS HOPE ONE DAY, PPL FORGET THE PAST, HAND IN HAND TOGETHER WORK SOMETHING OUT FOR FUTURE...

[babigrl]

haha after seeing all these hot topics i'm worked up too! i not ashamed to be vietnamese but i feel ashamed that my country right now is a hell hole...i went back there last year and wow were they just making problems to take my money !! bastards...

[leetran]

I think we better leave that shiet to the ppl in charge...
But last but not leat!!!
Pls Make Love, Create Peace, Dont Bring up War!!!
Peace!!!
God Bless U all!!!

[babigrl]

what war?

[K.T.Tran]

haha after seeing all these hot topics i'm worked up too! i not ashamed to be vietnamese but i feel ashamed that my country right now is a hell hole...i went back there last year and wow were they just making problems to take my money !! bastards...

Vietnam a hell hole huh.......

I'm going to be going to vietnam in December. Going to be first time....not sure whether I'm excited or not, but I hope I'll have fun
Will get to see how many cute girls there are there

[becu]

shouldn't we speak Vietnamese in here?
This is not a place to show off your understanding on politics...this is other people's job. Your job here is to connect all Viets.
Why so many Viets youth outside of Viet Nam tried to show off their knowledge and chiptalks about politics? What for? Are you gonna make a CHANGE? You want U.S. bring troops visit VN again? And i'm sure if this happend there's gonna be no Viet Nam on the world map! Sh!t !
How much do you actually know about Viet Nam besides all the stuff u've been brain-washed by your parents? Đừng có quơ đũa cả nắm!!!! Bad people are everywhere, not just those who try to bribe you in Viet Nam. There are 80 millions people in Viet Nam, those are just a very small fraction!!! Please acknowledge that! Besides, who do you think you are? Bill Gates? You got nothing!
This is a drama website. We all have the same interest here. Please put aside stuff that are not related. Thank you. You can have more time to enjoy life rather than try to show how much you know.

[surrealistic-destiny]

Whoa....political talk

I think I'm the only one lost here. I'm a newbie at Asian history as opposed to Western History.

leetran kool another history lover XDD i'm glad I'm not alone. Story? ??? u mean ideas thier not that great. <<;;

jane *nods grimly* But at least their are doing something, I guess. I mean instead of ignoring the fact that they do EXIST. Yes, Hitler was from Austria although no one cares to remember that which is sad. I think its because no one wants to claim responsiblity for him. Its just like with 09/11 attack although it was done by a certain GROUP Muslims around the world especially in the Western coutries were targeted. For what reason? So I kinda understand the situation with Hitler and the present Germany.

Its like the saying "its always the children who end up paying for their parent's sins"

This is true in terms if we look at Vietnam today. I mean who cares if your VC or non VC since at the end of the day we all human and Viet. So rather then condemning others just be happy that we're are no longer at war. I mean I rather have Vietnam the way it is then have the war to be restarted. Since its always the innocent who have to pay, the sad thing is the government doesn't realise that.

ahh sorrry people. I didn't mean to rant.

[becu]

haha after seeing all these hot topics i'm worked up too! i not ashamed to be vietnamese but i feel ashamed that my country right now is a hell hole...i went back there last year and wow were they just making problems to take my money !! bastards...

Vietnam a hell hole huh.......

I'm going to be going to vietnam in December. Going to be first time....not sure whether I'm excited or not, but I hope I'll have fun
Will get to see how many cute girls there are there

bring lots of money my friend. Many people thought Viet Nam is cheap. ..a place where U.S currency is really big.. ..you will see it wrong once you get there. you will use up all your money within a few days if not careful
Have fun. I hope i have a chance to visit Viet Nam some day

[surrealistic-destiny]

shouldn't we speak Vietnamese in here?
This is not a place to show off your understanding on politics...this is other people's job. Your job here is to connect all Viets.
Why so many Viets youth outside of Viet Nam tried to show off their knowledge and chiptalks about politics? What for? Are you gonna make a CHANGE? You want U.S. bring troops visit VN again? And i'm sure if this happend there's gonna be no Viet Nam on the world map! Sh!t !
How much do you actually know about Viet Nam besides all the stuff u've been brain-washed by your parents? Đừng có quơ đũa cả nắm!!!! Bad people are everywhere, not just those who try to bribe you in Viet Nam. There are 80 millions people in Viet Nam, those are just a very small fraction!!! Please acknowledge that! Besides, who do you think you are? Bill Gates? You got nothing!
This is a drama website. We all have the same interest here. Please put aside stuff that are not related. Thank you. You can have more time to enjoy life rather than try to show how much you know.

*claps* yup yup
as much as I like to discuss
this is not the place to talk about it. Vietnamese huh? my Vietnamese isn't really good.
Mac du, toi hoc mon tieng Viet cho lop muoi hai. Me nghi toi noi tieng viet giong nguoi Uc.

[becu]

and about Hanoi Bride, our Viet Korean Fan sub is now making Viet Sub for it. I will share it to you guys once it done!

Have fun!

[leetran]

@K.T.Tran
Ya man. Brigh lots of money and enjoy your trip.

@becu
NOthing much!!!
Brain Washed? wow HOw do u do that?
Juz a small discussion, about two side of an objection.
Chill out, man!!!
Hanoi Bride, it's on.Cool, bro.

[jane]

shouldn't we speak Vietnamese in here?
This is not a place to show off your understanding on politics...this is other people's job. Your job here is to connect all Viets.
Why so many Viets youth outside of Viet Nam tried to show off their knowledge and chiptalks about politics? What for? Are you gonna make a CHANGE? You want U.S. bring troops visit VN again? And i'm sure if this happend there's gonna be no Viet Nam on the world map! Sh!t !
How much do you actually know about Viet Nam besides all the stuff u've been brain-washed by your parents? Đừng có quơ đũa cả nắm!!!! Bad people are everywhere, not just those who try to bribe you in Viet Nam. There are 80 millions people in Viet Nam, those are just a very small fraction!!! Please acknowledge that! Besides, who do you think you are? Bill Gates? You got nothing!
This is a drama website. We all have the same interest here. Please put aside stuff that are not related. Thank you. You can have more time to enjoy life rather than try to show how much you know.

Sorry, but who don't have own oppinion? Who have brained wash? If you live outside of VN you must know the words LIBERTY and FREEDOM and you have to understand what it mean? Didn't you learn anything from western like making a discuss and building self oppinion? If you parents say kill him you'll do it?

I don't think I'm Bill Gates. I don't know to which school you go but I don't think you have read about history and newspaper? What is VN now? Read Newspaper you'll will see. Besides have I ever call you as a communist or a capitalist, why do you feel to be addressed?

@surrealistic-destiny, yes "its always the children who end up paying for their parent's sins" .
Like you said begin a new step. We youth don't talk only. If you interest at VN you will see there are a lot of young people in the USA, Australia or Europe try to help people in VN (like giving lessons, help to build school, ...)

Beside I don't forget these two ca dao:
- Bau oi thuong lay bi cung. Tuy rang khac giong nhung chung mot gian
+ "Bau"(it's a sort of vegetable) love me/"Bi"(also a sort of vegetable) too. We are not from a same family but we climb on the same climbing frame.
- Nhieu dieu phu lay gia guong. Nguoi trong mot nuoc phai thuong nhau cung.
+ A silk considers a picture frame. People in the same country should love each other.

It's a big different between WAR and DISCUSSION.

@leetran, I like to stop here too. Although we have other politics interest but we are all Vietnamese. We all want the best for Vietnam.

EDIT: @becu, I think you are in VN. Sorry, just let you know some informations. In Germany every 18 years old Germans can sign a contract without asking your parents They can choose a party to represent him. As a Vietnamese German, I could choose a party for me too. So don't think we are depent on our parents. School in Germany not only teach you math, language, sciene,... but also teach you to build your own oppinion, let you make contra and pro, let you speak out what you think, let you learn how to love the world... Don't think I'm allways put my oppinion for the USA. And don't think I'm blind to not see what the motive of the USA to set down in Iraq.
On the news VN is one of that country which the internet is been control by the government. Right? What do you think about that? They should control or they shouldn't meddle in my privat life?

[NanYueh]

@leetran, stop sniffing glue, man. You can't even handle one topic and you start opening another. What medication are you taking, man? You're talk non-sense all over the place and no-one can understand you.

I only made one point about Ho: that he wasn't all that great as you were taught in Viet school, now you spill it over to the entire war?

Seriously man, don't open a can of worms that you can't handle. You seriously haven't studied the war enough to start making such outrageous claims. Stick to watching dramas for everyone's sake.

Peace!

[NanYueh]

@jane, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Seriously, in VN schools they're all taught "Ba'c Ho^` Vi~ DDa.i"...protect the Communist Party and never question it at all. If you question it, then you're a traitor to the motherland...blah...blah... But what happens the Communist Party sells you out to China...who is the real traitor?

Anyway, my whole point was to question the validity of "Bac Ho Vi Dai"...is he really great? In my opinion no. War could have been avoided (see Gandhi). But now it's history (and yes, this discussion is about history not politics since we are talking about the PAST) so let's end it on that note.

Thank you and now back to your regular drama viewing.

[dana]

haha after seeing all these hot topics i'm worked up too! i not ashamed to be vietnamese but i feel ashamed that my country right now is a hell hole...i went back there last year and wow were they just making problems to take my money !! bastards...

Vietnam a hell hole huh.......

I'm going to be going to vietnam in December. Going to be first time....not sure whether I'm excited or not, but I hope I'll have fun
Will get to see how many cute girls there are there

Yes, i also when back in the summer. Words of advice be careful about your wallet, always asked the price of money before buy or eats, and bring something to protect yourself from bugs to get near you. And one last important advice be SURE to have emergency money and don't spend on anything (even the cute girls) until you save back in Home. Cause you never know what might happen to you

[pyre]

Hey guys!

I am Viet (duh) and was born and raised in Aussieland!!! (Australia).

I can read and write viet and listen.speak it too..currently I am (re)teaching myself cos I have stopped going to viet skool ummmm 2 yrs ago? haha..i like knowing another language, its cool!

[K.T.Tran]

Thanks for the heads up

I'll try to enjoy every minute of it

[NanYueh]

shouldn't we speak Vietnamese in here?
This is not a place to show off your understanding on politics...this is other people's job. Your job here is to connect all Viets.
Why so many Viets youth outside of Viet Nam tried to show off their knowledge and chiptalks about politics? What for? Are you gonna make a CHANGE? You want U.S. bring troops visit VN again? And i'm sure if this happend there's gonna be no Viet Nam on the world map! Sh!t !
How much do you actually know about Viet Nam besides all the stuff u've been brain-washed by your parents? Đừng có quơ đũa cả nắm!!!! Bad people are everywhere, not just those who try to bribe you in Viet Nam. There are 80 millions people in Viet Nam, those are just a very small fraction!!! Please acknowledge that! Besides, who do you think you are? Bill Gates? You got nothing!
This is a drama website. We all have the same interest here. Please put aside stuff that are not related. Thank you. You can have more time to enjoy life rather than try to show how much you know.

Have some respect for the people who were not born in Vietnam or went overseas at a young age. Though some of us can't write or speak the language, we are all Vietnamese because we have roots from the same country. You shouldn't discriminate.

Why can't we talk about this? This is an issue related to Viet people, so there is nothing wrong about discussing it here. Many other forums here are about dramas, but this is the only one about Viet community and Viet issues. If you want to talk about dramas in here that's fine too, no-one is stopping you. But it doesn't make you the moderator here.

Sure, we may not make a BIG change in VN, but at least we can start the conversation for a SMALL change at home. Do you believe the officials at the top to always have the best interest of the people in their hands? If you think this, you're crazy. They only have their hands in their pocketbook$. If every single person in VN has a small voice, then the officials at the top will hear a ROAR. Only then change arrive. Money does not bring change. Money only corrupts people and it easily corrupts communist officials (see Nam Cam). Criticism hurts the ears. But if you don't receive criticism, how do you know you're wrong?

[becu]

ok, we will let you talk as much as you like. A wanna be politician.. ..haha.. ..but please take care of yourself, your family first.. ..don't just sit here, always use "Võ mồm".. ..and everyday.. ..đi xin foodstamp.. ..để tụi nó chửi vào mặt hơn cả chó mà suốt ngày bày đặt đi lo cho người khác.
Don't u see ppl start ignoring you in this thread now?
The Term "VC" is an old old old term, please update your dictionary.
Hey, i guess you really really want to see communist corrupt right? So then shut up, let it corrupts, chống cổ lên xem when they gonna corrupt. haha.. ..maybe in the 29th generation of your family, it will happen. YAY.. ..how fun.. ..haha.. ..

ok, i don't wanna talk about this Sh!t no more. I have a life to worry, a family to take care of.

Man...can't wait for ep.2 Hanoi Bride.

Edit:
@NanYueh: look at your own posts. Above you said let's stop here now you brought it up again. Guess you have nothing else to do beside show off huh?
Let me make it a little clearer, not only you have been brain-washed. I, myself, is brain-washed too. Ok, so who's right? who's wrong? I've been taught by my community, you've been taught by your community. Did you know that education is biased especially history? Everybody always tried to cover their own butt. Yeah, i've been to the US a few years now. What did U.S government explain about their withdraw from Viet Nam? We did not lose, but.. ..yeah, right. In Viet Nam, they simply said that the U.S lost the war. That's it. You read lots of history? I'm admired... ..i'm not that good at reading. But did you know your book? my book? the stuff that u've been taught or i've been taught are all biased? Internet? Media? Please, get out there and see with your own eyes. Don't let others tell you what you should know. It's over. Let it go man.. ..can you change the past?
Why are there so many topics about this stuff? Because there're 2 sides, 1 in Viet Nam, the other 1 ran away from Viet Nam ( i guess they use a better term for themselves rather than 'ran away'). Who's right? who's wrong? BUT the ran away side always brought up these little conversations while the other side don't really care.

This is really funny since in every war or fight.. ..the winner gets the talk, but here, losers and runners always blah blah blah? Hopeless....and what they got out of that? Ran away losers... .haha.. ..Mother never kick her own child out, country never kick her own citizens.. ..always the citizens themselves decided to leave.

One little funny story, nowadays, singers from Viet Nam came to the U.S. to perform for ppl overseas.. ..did you know what some of the Viet ppl near my house did? They demonstrated.. ..yeah... ..and what happened after all? Singers still did their show.. ..and demonstrators...finally.. ..ai về nhà nấy, đói bụng quá.. ..có đứng la ó cũng chả ai thèm ngó ngàng tới. ...

[surrealistic-destiny]

Hey guys!

I am Viet (duh) and was born and raised in Aussieland!!! (Australia).

I can read and write viet and listen.speak it too..currently I am (re)teaching myself cos I have stopped going to viet skool ummmm 2 yrs ago? haha..i like knowing another language, its cool!

Hey another Australian! heyyyy! *waves*

I just finished viet skool this year since I did it for year 12. You teaching yourself? thats great! i'm trying to learn Japanese though..

[K.T.Tran]

So......what is all this talk about Vietnam....change....communism??????? -_____- but yea.....only read a bit bout it from those who posted the comment on it, didn't catch my interest so i didn't read it all the way through.



@surrealistic-destiny: Trying to learn Japanese, thats great. I'm taking Japanese classes right now. Its really fun It is kind of hard to learn on your own. Hope you got some tomodachi to help you out

[becu]

did you guys watch the love to kill? hehe.. ..i'm one of the Crazy Fan Sub members.. ..hehe.. ..today is ep.7.. ..wow.. ..Bi's acting skill is soooooooooooo good.. ...wow.. ..this guy.. ..haha.. ..
any comment?

[surrealistic-destiny]

[quote="K.T.Tran"]So......what is all this talk about Vietnam....change....communism??????? -_____- but yea.....only read a bit bout it from those who posted the comment on it, didn't catch my interest so i didn't read it all the way through.

K.T.Tran: don't worry your not the only one lost here. I mean even for me who studied the Chinese Revolution this year Communism is pretty annoying...i mean its twisted since they twisted it to suit their own ideals. as Martx and Engels had defined it has being where everyone would live in peace or in other words a 'workers paradise'

Yeah, I been teaching myself lol for the last three years I think. oh u learning too? thats great!

tomodachi? is that food?

who could have thought the talk about poltics would take another page? *awe*

[NanYueh]

Who said I wanted to be a politican? Just because I have an opinion (y kien) means I wanna be a politican? You musta failed primary school or you're just plain stupid. Food stamps? Haha.. you are a joke man, are you one of those FOB? That's way you are so intimate about foodstamps, ah.. it figures. Like the saying goes, "it takes one to know one". You don't care about the world except yourself, then leave but don't let the door hit you from behind, ok! Ai hoi y kien cua you vay?? Ko thich thi dung co nghe vao nghen? If you don't care for the future of VN, then leave, it never needed you! Go take care of your sorry ass and family!!

[K.T.Tran]

So......what is all this talk about Vietnam....change....communism??????? -_____- but yea.....only read a bit bout it from those who posted the comment on it, didn't catch my interest so i didn't read it all the way through.

K.T.Tran: don't worry your not the only one lost here. I mean even for me who studied the Chinese Revolution this year Communism is pretty annoying...i mean its twisted since they twisted it to suit their own ideals. as Martx and Engels had defined it has being where everyone would live in peace or in other words a 'workers paradise'

Yeah, I been teaching myself lol for the last three years I think. oh u learning too? thats great!

tomodachi? is that food?

who could have thought the talk about poltics would take another page? *awe*

I'm not stressing it that much. Though history is important, and it is good to know about the government in VN, but still I don't care much bout it.

Teaching yourself for 3 years. WOW!!!!!!!! thats amazing. I would've gotten a bit lost.
Tomodachi = friend
Politics....all I get from it, bunch of people who gather to talk a lot of BS about this and that, lies, but some good still comes out of it. Somehow

[becu]

I came to the U.S for education. not for working at a low salary. abt food stamps.. ..my friends told me about ppl in CA.. ..haha.. ..they really make Viets communities proud.. ..haha.. ..and just to let you know. I have the highest score in High School Transfer in Viet Nam . don't tell me i'm stupid cuz i'm pretty proud of myself. i'm an ESL student? So what? haha.. ..
let's talk about the real stuff.. ..how much do you make per hour? What are you doing right now? I can tell you right now. I'm in college at Highline, WA. I owned a Website (see my location). Making $10.50/math grading. Making money as a webmaster ah.. ..not yet but it's coming ..haha.. ..May I know your status, Well-educated person? I already said that everything is biased, but i guess you always want to show that you're right. ...and those who not agree with you are all wrong. ok. Your opinion. cool. Maybe this new topic will be a bit interesting .. ..didn't you see that ppl are tired of your knowledge?

[whiterose_nt]

hey yall,
Mi`nh thich trang web nay nhat luon. Phim nao cung hay, chat luong lai tot. Lai co ca mot nhom nguoi Viet dong vui the nay. Yes, i'm so so glad to be ur friend. Viet Pride!!!!!

[NanYueh]

Your friend is wrong. Not everyone is like that. But hey, if they need it they're entitled to it. That's why it's a called a Social net. Yeah, life is so good here, that's why everyone wants to come here. Hehehe.. Nghe trai o VN dang e qua troi!! Maybe you too, eh?

Well, let's see.... myself? Graduated from university with honours less than a year ago, never needed any financial assistance from my parents - worked at various jobs being an intern......currently earning MUCH, MUCH more than $10.50/h. Would tell you how much, but then you'd say I'm showing off. What else?

I knew from the start that you were an overseas student. It's easy to pick them out when making a comment about "Ba'c Ho^`" like that It's just my opinion...I never wanted to start talking about the war until leetran started. We're all entitled to our opinions, you don't imprison someone for voicing their opinion, got it? ;)

So, may I ask which part of the Vietnamese government body does you parents belong to? How long have you been a party member? Just curious, you know. ;) Not just anyone can go overseas to study, especially considering that a visa student pays 3-4 times the cost of a regular one PER TERM. The people who went overseas, who I knew at universities, were mostly from high ranking or well-off families.

[jane]

ok, we will let you talk as much as you like. A wanna be politician.. ..haha.. ..but please take care of yourself, your family first.. ..don't just sit here, always use "Võ mồm".. ..and everyday.. ..đi xin foodstamp.. ..để tụi nó chửi vào mặt hơn cả chó mà suốt ngày bày đặt đi lo cho người khác.
Don't u see ppl start ignoring you in this thread now?
The Term "VC" is an old old old term, please update your dictionary.
Hey, i guess you really really want to see communist corrupt right? So then shut up, let it corrupts, chống cổ lên xem when they gonna corrupt. haha.. ..maybe in the 29th generation of your family, it will happen. YAY.. ..how fun.. ..haha.. ..

ok, i don't wanna talk about this Sh!t no more. I have a life to worry, a family to take care of.

Man...can't wait for ep.2 Hanoi Bride.

Edit:
@NanYueh: look at your own posts. Above you said let's stop here now you brought it up again. Guess you have nothing else to do beside show off huh?
Let me make it a little clearer, not only you have been brain-washed. I, myself, is brain-washed too. Ok, so who's right? who's wrong? I've been taught by my community, you've been taught by your community. Did you know that education is biased especially history? Everybody always tried to cover their own butt. Yeah, i've been to the US a few years now. What did U.S government explain about their withdraw from Viet Nam? We did not lose, but.. ..yeah, right. In Viet Nam, they simply said that the U.S lost the war. That's it. You read lots of history? I'm admired... ..i'm not that good at reading. But did you know your book? my book? the stuff that u've been taught or i've been taught are all biased? Internet? Media? Please, get out there and see with your own eyes. Don't let others tell you what you should know. It's over. Let it go man.. ..can you change the past?
Why are there so many topics about this stuff? Because there're 2 sides, 1 in Viet Nam, the other 1 ran away from Viet Nam ( i guess they use a better term for themselves rather than 'ran away'). Who's right? who's wrong? BUT the ran away side always brought up these little conversations while the other side don't really care.

This is really funny since in every war or fight.. ..the winner gets the talk, but here, losers and runners always blah blah blah? Hopeless....and what they got out of that? Ran away losers... .haha.. ..Mother never kick her own child out, country never kick her own citizens.. ..always the citizens themselves decided to leave.

One little funny story, nowadays, singers from Viet Nam came to the U.S. to perform for ppl overseas.. ..did you know what some of the Viet ppl near my house did? They demonstrated.. ..yeah... ..and what happened after all? Singers still did their show.. ..and demonstrators...finally.. ..ai về nhà nấy, đói bụng quá.. ..có đứng la ó cũng chả ai thèm ngó ngàng tới. ...

Like you said talk what you want No times to talk with you now, I've to go to the office

[leetran]

@Becu
I finish Hanoi bride Ep1. When EP2 Come out man?

Check this out!!!
"Đại sứ Hoa Kỳ trả lời báo Việt Kiều"
This mtf said : "Tôi không nghĩ rằng Hà Nội coi chính phủ Hoa Kỳ là thù địch" Đại sứ Michael Marine. US Embassador in VN
VN dont hate em, we r welcome US. But that f*** US take VN into black list. So they hate VN, dont they?
And is f*kcing unfair... Vietnamese from VN in general cant US join Green Card Lottery...
http://www.us-green-card-lottery.org/
But to a Malaysian is possible. Malaysia which US called the Terrorist Trainning Institue... (http://www.cia.gov/)Not in Public!!!
F*** US .!. That mtf is 2 faces b***ch!!!

@NanYeuh...
Dude we go to college, to get some education is to become something?
Y you always have to support US, follow US?
Ask your self if EU grow up have to follow US?
They have everything on their own man!!!
EU living standard is higher than US.
U cant change History, do something for future, man ha ha ha

@K.T.Tran wrote:
So......what is all this talk about Vietnam....change....communism???????

That's the great idea. But then CHANGE is Impossible. We can Upgrade it hahahaha

[elusive2]

Hahaha watch this video guys, really funny.
Just click on the link next to the guy with a white apron.
Hope you'll enjoy.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/272711

[NanYueh]

@leetran, the green card lottery is based on the quota system. When there's too many Viets in the US, they won't let more Viets people in. And Vietnam is on the Most Concerned List is because it has abused many political and religious leaders. They don't hate Vietnam. If they hate Vietnam, they'd still be embargoing it just like Cuba. They just want VN to change its ways. Like I said, criticism hurts...but how do you change if you don't know?

Who says I follow the US? Just because I say the things I do, doesn't mean I follow the US. Do you follow the Communists? No? I thought so.

@becu, the comment you made about the child leaving the Mother? Ha ha, do you even know it was like after 1975, it was worst than hell on earth. Many people died in re-education camps, most former SVN teachers, professionals, gov. officials, people with money, religous people, merchants, just about everyone in SVN were constantly harassed and thier lives were threatened by communist officials. It's well documented, don't say I made these things up. See http://www.vietmemorial.org/myweb/thelist.html

South Vietnam: Yes, there was actually a South Vietnam, even HCM recognized it after signing the cease-fire with the French, but VN educators today say there was no SVN country and no civil war. You see, they are trying to re-write history. Them bast**ds.

[petit alexander]

Communists = Liars
HCM couldn't do anything if there had been no such liars supported him.
I tell you, Vietnam can't prosper. It doesn't deserve to prosper because there are so many stupid, selfish and greedy people in Vietnam!

[leetran]

@NanYueh
There are more than 4 millions Vietnamese around the world?
How many people are there in US?

[petit alexander]

Y you always have to support US, follow US?
Ask your self if EU grow up have to follow US?
They have everything on their own man!!!
EU living standard is higher than US.

1. Are you sure EU doesn't follow US?
2. Even if it doesn't, EU used to be the superpower even before the US were born. They had everything at the time US and Asia had nothing. How can you compare it with VN?

[leetran]

@petit alexander
Dude, u got me wrong...
I compared US with EU... not VN.
US before was the land of UK and other European countries, dont you remember?
They lost US, they lost alot of benefits...
Are u sure US doesnt have anything? They earned hell lots of money after world war II dude. About hundreds of billions DOLLAR. Read more history pls!!! US is the main weapons suppliers all over the world, Legal + illegal!!! They become richer after every each and single war... The 1st and only time, they ran out of resources such as weapons, money, and all is the VN war...
Now, US and EU is the two big bosses of the world. But US's ambition is to own the whole world. They did scare one day Asia become another EU so it's harder for them to make the dream of being central of the world, come true...

[NanYueh]

@petit alexander
Dude, u got me wrong...
I compared US with EU... not VN.
US before was the land of UK and other European countries, dont you remember?
They lost US, they lost alot of benefits...
Are u sure US dont have anything? They earned hell lots of money after world war II dude. Count can be hundreds of billions DOLLAR. Read more history pls!!! US is the main weapons suppliers all over the world, Legal + illegal!!! They become richer after every each single war... The 1st and only time they run out of resources such as weapons, money, and all is the VN war...
Now, US and EU is the two big boss of the world. But US's ambition is to own the whole world. They are scared one day Asia become another EU so it's harder for them to make the dream of being central of the world, come true...

Dude, so is China, Russia, IRAN and possibly N. Korea. They're all selling arms, even during peacetime. Don't count the US as the only player. Vietnam is possibly selling old, beat-down Russian tanks to Cuba right now.

The lottery system is determined by # of Viets compared to entire US population, not by the number of Viets around the world. But why the need to know? You seem to hate the US but you want to live and study with them? Makes no sense at all. Nothing you say makes sense. I have difficulty reading your poor English as it is, let alone decipher what the heck you're trying to say. I give up!!!

[leetran]

@nanYeuh. Thanks for your compliment... I didnt careful with ma words...
[Dude, so is China, Russia, IRAN and possibly N. Korea. They're all selling arms, even during peacetime. Don't count the US as the only player. Vietnam is possibly selling old, beat-down Russian tanks to Cuba right now.]
selling old, beat-down Russian tanks... juz old stuff you wannna get rid of your house like garage sales. Not like US, Trading weapons is a Main National Income...

[The lottery system is determined by # of Viets compared to entire US population, not by the number of Viets around the world. But why the need to know? You seem to hate the US but you want to live and study with them? Makes no sense at all.]
Thank you for your info about lottery stuff.
I only wanna ask you how many Vietnamese are there in US? Understand?
I hate em cuz they want too much...
I wanna live and study with em, cuz i want to learn how to make money... I need money, we all need money...

[Nothing you say makes sense. I have difficulty reading your poor English as it is, let alone decipher what the heck you're trying to say. I give up!!!]

I'm asking u in a very Simple Enlgish, no scientific vocabulary at all, you still dont understand??? or I have you use American English to talk to you, MTF???
Man, this is free topic discussion, nonprofit forum, so you dont have to fight for anything or give up anything.
Once again, thanks for all information and stories you have shared...

Bay gio the nay nhe', noi mai noi hoai khong hieu danh noi TV vay? De hieu hon ve moi viec gioing nhu ban da noi voi minh "@leetran, if you seek the truth then NOW is your opportunity. Get both sides of the story while you're still outside of Vietnam, not just what you've been told in your Viet school."

NanYeuh Co the noi cho minh biet o My ban duoc hoc nhung gi ve cuoc chien tranh o VN? Co mot dieu toi dam chac rang, ho se khong bao gio day ban ve the nao la chu nghia THUC DAN va cac nuoc thuoc dia. Do' la mot vet nho cua chu nghia TB. Cai do nguoi ta goi la " Khong ai vach ao cho nguoi xem lung"

Sau do ban anh tim tren Internet, dung tim trong sach vo day o My, tra loi mot so cau hoi rat don gian. Ban se hieu tai sao co HO CHI MINH:)
1) Tai sao My lai den Vietnam, 1945?
2) My da tha bao nhieu TAN bon tren khap dat nuoc VN?
Bao nhieu Gallons chat doc mau da cam xuong VN?
3) Bao nhieu dong bao vo toi da chet (phu nu, tre em, nguoi gia, khong ke bo doi) vi bomb cua My?
4) Tai sao My lai lap nen cai goi la VIetnam Cong Hoa?
5) Bao nhieu nguoi ung ho cuoc chien tranh cua My o VN va bao nhieu nguoi phan doi?

Day la website cua mot so nha nghien cuu chau Au
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/vietnam.html

P/S: Neu ban hoc rong, tai cao... ban co the viet mot cuon sach lich su noi ve Mien Nam VN dc khong? Neu ban viet duoc mot quyen sach duoc moi nguoi cong nhan, duoc xuat ban, minh se la nguoi dau tien mua quyen sach ay, I swear!!!

[photaibo]

funny..
on each vietnamese forum in this world u can c people discussing politics or this fukkin war... are we that poor? People who dont know this country would probably think that it has a poor culture since its people has to talk about politics and war all the time... HOW SAD!!!

[leetran]

Man, this is history, i read about VN history on the Communist side. And now i want to hear the story from Western and US side...
You know, they will teach u only good things in school.
It's really a good chance to know the Truth like what ma friend NanYeuh said...
It's pretty fun man, see how people "cover their ass"... LOL
For e.g : Japanese even re-write the whole History about what they did to Korean people...

[K.T.Tran]

funny..
on each vietnamese forum in this world u can c people discussing politics or this fukkin war... are we that poor? People who dont know this country would probably think that it has a poor culture since its people has to talk about politics and war all the time... HOW SAD!!!

hmm.......can't be all that surprising right?
Vietnam War is an important part of our history and our life was really effected by it.
I think its good that other forums talk about it.

but yea.....i would've put the word "fukkin" in front of politics instead of war. Politics by far worse then war in my opinion.

[K.T.Tran]

Man, this is history, i read about VN history on the Communist side. And now i want to hear the story from Western and US side...
You know, they will teach u only good things in school

What I remember so far.....U.S sent troops to Vietnam to help, then slowly withdrew the troops from Vietnam. The troops sometimes couldn't the VC (the bad guys) from regular vietnamese people who didn't support communism and Ho.

Weren't the U.S also responsible for the death of the Southern Leader/President????
I don't quite remember..........

[leetran]

I dont know.
Western people tell another story.
After WWII, US came to help the vietnamese goverment supported by Frech in the South. But then they took over and turned it into " Vietnam Veteran Of America".
Then they lost against Communist, they ran away, betrayed Vietname people there...
They even asked emselves, how people gonna trust us again!!!
Check out this side u will learn more
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... wforum=181
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/vietnam.html