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by Ethlenn
Mar 26th, '13, 00:15
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

Peggy, you're right, Queen Insu was the mother of King Seongjong who had as wife Lady Yun. Lady Yun proved to be highly temperamental and poisoned few ladies around the King, so she was ordered to be poisoned by Queen Insu. However, some argue that it was just a stratagem totally made up by Insu Dae...
by Ethlenn
Mar 24th, '13, 10:51
Forum: Korean Culture & Entertainment
Topic: Korean names and there pronunciation
Replies: 36
Views: 21791

In Korea wife retains her maiden's name, while kids have father's name.
by Ethlenn
Mar 23rd, '13, 12:48
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

I'm waiting for SHINee on MUST show this Monday. I looooove YDH and his show, and having SHINee there is dream come true girl... whatever. Also now I agree with Ethlenn, that Jjong can't act too good. But he's still adorable :wub: Oww, you're still so kind. That b*tch can't act to save his life, dar...
by Ethlenn
Mar 20th, '13, 22:29
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

Get a copy of "Berenice". Teeth will never look the same after that. :mrgreen:
by Ethlenn
Mar 20th, '13, 20:18
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

I will believe when I see script reading pics.

But damn, why it has to be such a boring plot? He'll be awesome, I'm sure, but we'll run out of coffee.

Oh, Keiko, you read maybe too much of Poe, darling? :mrgreen:
by Ethlenn
Mar 20th, '13, 07:42
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

Oh man, what a horrible plot. Bad Guy had revenge too.

Who was happy? Not me that I had to do an extra work and merge it here because someone created weird topic :/
by Ethlenn
Mar 18th, '13, 22:26
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: The Moon that Embraces the Sun (MBC, 2012)
Replies: 33
Views: 20625

Then learn how to retime. There are few tutorials around (even on DA here).
Oh, and post in the right section. :glare:
by Ethlenn
Mar 17th, '13, 22:48
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

A tsunami of melted feminine emotions at his feet. I'd be there. And even thousands of kilometres away from his feet. I have nothing important to write, only that there will be released a photobook and DVD from his Japan fanmeetings. :whistling: The video is here Watch if you dare^^' BTW... weird I...
by Ethlenn
Mar 17th, '13, 17:05
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Kdrama 2013: April - June
Replies: 22
Views: 8849

Since no one claimed The End of The World, I upped first ep, but by all means, if you want, don't hesitate.
by Ethlenn
Mar 17th, '13, 10:42
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: IRIS2 (KBS2, 2013)
Replies: 48
Views: 17498

I sense someone has problems with reading.
by Ethlenn
Mar 17th, '13, 08:35
Forum: Kpop
Topic: INFINITE
Replies: 894
Views: 200069

Not that I neglected mah boys, ekhem, teasers:

Sungjong:
The cuteness on paws plus maknae
Dongwoo :mrgreen:
There's some nuna in his book
Woohyun:
Namgrease harrasses teddy bear
Sungyeol:
Some cooking is here
by Ethlenn
Mar 16th, '13, 20:27
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Are there any "gay" dramas?
Replies: 233
Views: 210659

I don't know what you define as "new", did you watch Boy Meets Boy, The Day He Arrives ? Both quite recent Kmovies. In Kdrama Hyena there is also fairly strong gay plot.
by Ethlenn
Mar 15th, '13, 11:11
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Need help to identify a Kdrama? Ask here!
Replies: 530
Views: 192467

I'd never recommend Dr. Jin, not even to an enemy!! Don't watch it, it's a crap.
by Ethlenn
Mar 14th, '13, 12:13
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Need help to identify a Kdrama? Ask here!
Replies: 530
Views: 192467

Well, Dr. Jin IS set in Joseon, but if it's character that is Christian, I have only Jung Yak Yong in mind (both the drama Jung Yak Yong and in Sungkyungwan Scandal there were elements of it).
by Ethlenn
Mar 13th, '13, 09:57
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Kdrama 2013: April - June
Replies: 22
Views: 8849

Kdrama 2013: April - June

Our uploaders family: The Chaos esmer86 semi-fly sinecure Ethlenn March dramas: Gu-am Heo Joon Title: 구암 허준 / Guam Heo Joon Genre: Historical Episodes: 120 Broadcast network: MBC Broadcast period: 2013-Mar-18 to 2013-???-?? Air time: Monday to Friday 20:50 The life story about a commoner who rose up...
by Ethlenn
Mar 10th, '13, 11:03
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Kdrama 2013: January - March
Replies: 25
Views: 9168

I think esmer put the first eps up^^
by Ethlenn
Mar 6th, '13, 18:09
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

Well if Nam Gil does not give us his presence soon I will lose a little respect for him. Oh I will still like him and admire him and even spread roses around his feet... but the petals will be a bit withered if there is no drama coming up in the very near future. Otherwise I shall just press on reg...
by Ethlenn
Mar 6th, '13, 18:06
Forum: Tech Support
Topic: how do i delete my account?
Replies: 16
Views: 5088

I nominated you for account removal, don't worry.
by Ethlenn
Mar 5th, '13, 18:16
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

Quietly finished Flower Boy Neighbour (sadly not mine) and enjoying now That Winter The Wind Blows (cause I need tears, drama, tragedy, door-smashing!) and Cheer Up, Mr. Kim . Dropped every other drama I tried. If Kim Namgil-nim doesn't appear in any drama this year, oh boy, that will be a hard year...
by Ethlenn
Mar 3rd, '13, 19:32
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: RECOMMENDED/FAVORITE KDRAMAS (ask for suggestions here)
Replies: 3570
Views: 1301891

Marriage Plot (Wedding Scheme), The Thousandth Man, Dalja's Spring...
by Ethlenn
Mar 3rd, '13, 16:30
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Need help to identify a Kdrama? Ask here!
Replies: 530
Views: 192467

Can i ask what movie is this. A boy student is with a relationship with her teacher but it is only a secret they are living in one house. As I remember the first episode of this movie is they are sleeping with each other then the boy woke up for he is going to go to school he's just using a skate b...
by Ethlenn
Mar 1st, '13, 17:41
Forum: Tech Support
Topic: Trackers disabled
Replies: 3
Views: 3498

Enable DHT (right under the rectangle) and maybe add some new trackers.
by Ethlenn
Feb 28th, '13, 09:53
Forum: Kpop
Topic: K.R.Y
Replies: 112
Views: 43227

130224 K.R.Y. Special Winter Concert - Your Eyes (Wook on the piano) +

Ryeowook... :faint: :heart:

You can watch other parts as well. I just hate one song and even Wook can't change it: baby baby baby...
But they sing so effortlessly, so perfect^^'
by Ethlenn
Feb 24th, '13, 16:45
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: IRIS2 (KBS2, 2013)
Replies: 48
Views: 17498

The link is right, but requires some reading as stated:
Everything moved to twitter @ADSkingofbeer
by Ethlenn
Feb 21st, '13, 20:43
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

Peggy, I knew you were my soulmate, but now I'm sure of it. Somehow I can't force myself to finish any recent kdrama ( Happy Ending and Mushin were last year and I watched HE without subs anyway). I partially blame TWdramas and TWentertainment, plus stress. I'm still going slowly through That Winter...
by Ethlenn
Feb 21st, '13, 18:06
Forum: Japanese Culture & Entertainment
Topic: RECOMMEND AN ANIME/MANGA FOR A LIVE DRAMA
Replies: 29
Views: 12711

I know Evangelion is beyond any dream, but would love to see Toji.

X-Clamp, I bet certain fandoms would pay for production cost. :whistling:
by Ethlenn
Feb 21st, '13, 15:27
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Flower Boy Ramyun Shop (tvN,2011)
Replies: 59
Views: 22262

@noobs: I will have to ask you to stop posting few words only so your signature can appear or else you'll get banned. None of your posts make sense.
by Ethlenn
Feb 21st, '13, 15:13
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

by Ethlenn
Feb 21st, '13, 13:07
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

creidesca wrote:
Then you definitely need to check out mvibo. They also have Happy Ending with e-subs.
Those are probably the best words I have heard lately. Really?? :wub:
by Ethlenn
Feb 20th, '13, 14:01
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

1. spoiler
이번 앨범 전체를
아우르는 곡으로, 샤이니의 새로운 음악 세계의 시작을 알리는 정규 3집의 overture. 멤버 종현이 직접 작사, 이번 앨범 수록곡의 제목들을
엮어 만든 위트 있는 가사가 제목처럼 샤이니 정규 3집에 대한 내용을 담은 스포일러로 색다른 재미를 선사한다.
What's most important is in bold. Jjong made it. :salut:
by Ethlenn
Feb 19th, '13, 18:25
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Actually when I stopped caring anymore, they came back with less generic than usual music. Waiting patiently for 떠나지 못해 rendering because this song sounds amazing. Like Viande said, music is tad too loud, which I found a funny coincidence as I was listening today to 蕭敬騰 (Jam Hsiao) album and despite...
by Ethlenn
Feb 18th, '13, 12:54
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Viande wrote: [NYLON TV KOREA] 샤이니 shineeBoys and a beast... you don't even need to guess who. :mrgreen:
:whistling: :whistling: :heart:
by Ethlenn
Feb 16th, '13, 17:05
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Viande wrote: Lets hope this is true:
Taemin described the album as one where each member's individuality shines through their voices.
Will clutch to this like to some life buoy on stormy sea. I'll forgive dumb concept if songs are good. Only then. :cussing:

although Minho's voice... well, nevermind...
by Ethlenn
Feb 15th, '13, 12:18
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Same for me, I like the music/vocal not the genre. But people like to classify and I had a huge brawl with a person on some music forum long time ago when I said I don't care about the genre. The guy said I probably listen to some trash music not worthy to be called music, because genres are importa...
by Ethlenn
Feb 14th, '13, 20:01
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

The title... 'The Misconceptions of Me‘... tis OK, SMEnt, he had that plenty we could write a book...

It's good to be broke again I guess... bai bai monies T^T...
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 23:47
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

mcromance wrote: And I want Jonghyun sooooooo much to be casted !!!! Whatever it will be I will watch it
My love for this one doesn't blind me to the fact b*tch absolutely can't act to save his life. But maybe I could be proven wrong.
As Viande said, whole bunch shouldn't be casted.
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 23:36
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: JYJ: Jaejung-Yucheon-Junsu
Replies: 222
Views: 81844

But keep them under spoiler OK? Users have slow PCs and it takes a lot of bandwidth to load that^^ (the mod in me says that).

Oh well, I hate this concept, same as Junsu's Tarantallegra, but whatever. No one cares about my opinion anyway (myself included).
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 23:33
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

I pray Jjong will never be casted in any drama :wub: :mrgreen:

That description of poor Mint though :rofl: :rofl:
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 21:23
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: JYJ: Jaejung-Yucheon-Junsu
Replies: 222
Views: 81844

Viande posted this on twitter but it's too good to not share the dorkiness:
Valentine wishes made by JYJ
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 19:21
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: Kdrama 2013: January - March
Replies: 25
Views: 9168

February: Gu Family Book Title: 구가의서 (九家의 書) / Gugaeuiseo Also known as: Ancient Medical Book / The Writings of Nine Houses / Book of the House of Gu Genre: Human, Melodrama, Historial, Fantasy Episodes: 24 Broadcast network: MBC Broadcast period: April 2013 Air time: Monday & Tuesday 21:55 Your Wo...
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 17:15
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

I actually always liked acid jazz, also liked plain funk, this 70-80's style.
Not sure however how this "acid" goes with electrofunk (and yes, that video was plain crap).

We have to wait few more days for either pour acid on anyone responsible for that or "make it funky now".
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 14:40
Forum: Kpop
Topic: K.R.Y
Replies: 112
Views: 43227

by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 14:32
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

OK, so I did some small research and from all I know "acid" is usually used with "jazz", which is a nice combo in all chillout sessions. Electrofunk (should be written together, yes) is some sub-category of electro (or funk). Samples: One song is here listed as electrofunk The whole playlist called ...
by Ethlenn
Feb 13th, '13, 12:20
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

If I read "funk" alone, I'd be happy, the rest makes me go
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by Ethlenn
Feb 12th, '13, 19:08
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

Yes, I'm rarely modest :mrgreen:

BTW. Some new pictures of Walking Perfection are here.
by Ethlenn
Feb 12th, '13, 16:02
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

@mcromance: don't make promises you won't be able to keep, kkk. One thing you should know about us, old grumpy ladies here, is that we can deviate ANY topic into some weird teritories :mrgreen:

Oh, Vi, you described it perfectly " It's like poking beehive", wahahaha!! :twisted: :twisted:
by Ethlenn
Feb 12th, '13, 14:12
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Oh you're young... :cry: Sorry to insult Yamapi but for me he's perfect "dead fish eyes" face and looks like Jjong was modeled after him. Well, you know, after crate of beer that pyjama flowered mess could be even entertaining... And funny thing, you really can't say it's a bad concept because those...
by Ethlenn
Feb 12th, '13, 11:58
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

Oh no, that's really nothing. Some people do much more than me^^~~
by Ethlenn
Feb 12th, '13, 11:57
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

I'm not going to tumblr till full album is out. Period. WTF is this sh*t?? Anyone of us even high on anything could come up with a better concept. Jjong is stoned or he's channeling korean Yamapi, I dunno... f*ck... :cussing:
by Ethlenn
Feb 11th, '13, 22:14
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: RECOMMENDED/FAVORITE KDRAMAS (ask for suggestions here)
Replies: 3570
Views: 1301891

@Xiel: if you like daeha/sageuk so much, watch Mushin (Soldier/God of War). :salut:
by Ethlenn
Feb 11th, '13, 14:46
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

@mcromance: spanking for not knowing who Viande is!! Just look who's writing in this thread!
You should join the twitter madness, yessss...

Jjong's pics in hanbok are already on tumblr, but I don't find them ridiculous. Silly, yes, but...
Image
by Ethlenn
Feb 11th, '13, 14:10
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Always glad to help any normal blinger (there ain't that many of us) :mrgreen:

On the second thought, why majority of ppl I like have dogs? Why only Heechul (*a moment to bow down*), Viande and Junsu have cats?? Why??
by Ethlenn
Feb 11th, '13, 13:04
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Learning Hangeul will take you maybe 2 days, and then all you need is twitter account to follow this puppy: @realjonghyun90 or this random guy 이진기onew

This you may find handy:
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by Ethlenn
Feb 11th, '13, 10:34
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Oh honey, that's why books were invented. You can buy, download, I can scan and send to you even... There are online courses, talk To Me In Korean website... really LOT of possibilities. :whistling:

Dino mostly posts nonsense, like pics of dogs... :blink
by Ethlenn
Feb 11th, '13, 09:51
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

That's not a dream, that's a nightmare, someone should explain that subtle difference to ppl responsible for styling in SM. Let's hope this will have nothing to do with actual album because I had enough of SHINee generic, horrible, cheesy music, OK? As for tweets, yes, I follow that idiot on twitter...
by Ethlenn
Feb 10th, '13, 13:39
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Oh Lucifer and ripped pants... those days are long gone...
I have no hopes for Onew whatsoever.

Anyway, uploaded SHINee's Wonderful day when they looked normal still. If anyone needs .tp format, let me know.
by Ethlenn
Feb 10th, '13, 12:17
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Quote from what I wrote on twitter:
Oh, I know, new SHINee concept is "padded palace full of blanked-out retards". That's it...
:pale:
by Ethlenn
Feb 9th, '13, 19:03
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

It's OK, hon, no need for that, really^^ :pale:
by Ethlenn
Feb 9th, '13, 18:55
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

No need to edit, thanks hon, it was really unconvenient to read *__*
besides, we mods use green font while editing posts of users, so...


And since Viande put that on twitter:
Caw caw caw
by Ethlenn
Feb 9th, '13, 18:20
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Yeah, like Maypole, normal stuff.
As for artistic... well, Duchamp also though his work was art and everybody though to soo.

And @mcromance, personal ask, can you please use usual black font? For people with some eye problems this is really hard.
by Ethlenn
Feb 9th, '13, 16:56
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

I filled for separation from SMEnt. I can't divorce them, but still... I'm so enormously p*ssed!! Like we talked about that, what's wrong with putting men who don't need any enhancement on a chair and take a pic of that?? I'm a raging idiot right now but that's not teh reality I wanted. I was fine w...
by Ethlenn
Feb 9th, '13, 16:51
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

No no no!!!
I just have lots on my hands and have no time to reply sometimes!! You always make me smile, my dear!! I will repent, I promise!
by Ethlenn
Feb 9th, '13, 16:47
Forum: JDrama Discussions
Topic: RECOMMENDED/FAVORITE JDRAMAS (ask for suggestions here)
Replies: 4470
Views: 1469075

How about asking in the right place instead of creating rec. topic?
by Ethlenn
Feb 8th, '13, 00:59
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

I want to see more!! Oh, and I think Jjong gives that aplenty :whistling: As I wrote, Jjong's concept will be whorish Jurassic Park... Although Vi's concept is also nice... Oh, and AsianFreak17JH, listen to the whole SJ-M album, they have better songs there than "Break Down", trust me. Plus EXO... ...
by Ethlenn
Feb 7th, '13, 16:15
Forum: Kpop
Topic: INFINITE
Replies: 894
Views: 200069

Just because it's Grease King Birthday:
Just look at this :wub:

...and then there's Dongwoo...
by Ethlenn
Feb 7th, '13, 14:55
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

You know SHINee & rest don't go together... One can hope, right? :P As for f(x) concept, I found it usual to the point of banality. Because this "horse head" was a meme already all over the internet so SM didn't have to look for anything. I believe there are some unused and fresh concepts, and afte...
by Ethlenn
Feb 7th, '13, 14:30
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

Let's hope they can rest for a bit too... I have some unsettling feelings regarding Key's pic. Will that be "puppet theatre" concept? All looks normal (for SMEnt, SHINee and Key's standards), yet I expect some bomb like Taemin was in Sherlock p0rn pics... But full album... now, how to save some moni...
by Ethlenn
Feb 7th, '13, 13:21
Forum: Kpop
Topic: SHINee
Replies: 441
Views: 104531

SHINee's back! Back back back back... Let's hope Dino will pen a song as well, or maybe I'm asking for way too much? And since I read "SPY", I'm sold as well, since I loved that track. One question remains, will it be album or mini? Korean media always confuse those, but since it's listed as third,...
by Ethlenn
Feb 6th, '13, 10:33
Forum: Korean Actors & Actresses
Topic: Kim Nam Gil
Replies: 604
Views: 186596

Oh, I was ready to pull it back and seed. Glad you got that, one nice interview.
Glad I could make you smile (actually The Man himself)^^
by Ethlenn
Feb 4th, '13, 15:58
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

Peggy wrote:Hi E.

Are you speaking astronomically re Sirius. I can no longer focus on constellations.
Wish I am^^ I do have problems with that too.

But drama nicely played the astronomical fact of Sirius being in fact a binary system^^
by Ethlenn
Feb 2nd, '13, 18:20
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: What kdrama are you currently watching? (Part 2)
Replies: 730
Views: 180659

Sajen16 wrote:I half expect Park Shi Hoo do a Cha Seung Jo and be crazy.
He's crazy here, but on subtler and more deep level, with better script, actors and filmography.

Watch Sirius, people, watch it!!!! :cheers:
by Ethlenn
Jan 30th, '13, 00:38
Forum: KDrama Discussions
Topic: My Flower Boy Neighbor (tvN 2013)
Replies: 26
Views: 15204

Park Shinhye is not half as annoying as I feared she would be and YSY is growing some muscles on arms, KJH is yummy as always. I jumped into the bandwagon.
For the story, ofkors.

But technical aspects (filming) are really nice too. OST, however, could be better.


P.S. Sham you biyatch!! :pale:
by Ethlenn
Jan 28th, '13, 19:31
Forum: Kpop
Topic: INFINITE
Replies: 894
Views: 200069

Just wondering how drunk I must have been to NOT remember the link I posted previously... :blink

Anyway:
IS2 with INFINITE H as mp3 dl here
by Ethlenn
Jan 28th, '13, 17:53
Forum: Kpop
Topic: K.R.Y
Replies: 112
Views: 43227

Ryeowook was tweeting pics from Japan concerts with staff. Kid is golden, I swear.

Let's hope KRY's fanbase petition to SMEnt will be read at least.