MoerkJ wrote:1) BT is seeding and leeching
2) Clubbox is mostly leeching only (see below)
3) Fserve is uploading (only) and such a hard competition to BT-seeding
Clearly, you didn't for even one second catch my actual issue. My issue is basically one technology stealing opportunities
from other technologies. Let me address each of the three you listed:
sure, I got your point. You want all ppl using the same P2P technology with the hope that it may work better (for you). But that isn't necessarily the ultimate solution. Not everybody can use every technology due to networking limitations, software incompatibilities, or personal preferences. So a variety of P2P technologies generally helps. You get often different files through different distribution methods. Every distribution method has its pro and cons. Bittorrent is far from perfect.
groink wrote:1) BT is the heart of D-Addicts. The survival of each torrent is the seeding part, and that the seeding should be the primary focus of D-Addicts' administrators, moderators, and members.
D-Addicts has become much more than just Bittorrent. Things have changed quite a bit the last 11 months since your "departure". Also we have lots of services to revieve old torrents, like SotW, KSotM, CSotM, VSS for example. Maybe somebody comes up with another good idea to improve the filesharing. Members can always ask for reseeds in the request forum or in the shoutbox. But they are on their own. They must help eachother. We cannot force anybody to use the tracker and to seed. The "D" in D-Addicts still stands for drama, not for dictatorship. Also there is no way we can keep alive all torrents forever. A lot of torrents die soon. Mostly because of a lack of interest. There are so many torrents. If a good series deserves to be revived it will happen sooner or later.
groink wrote:2) Each time one person downloads from Clubbox, it steals a seeder from D-Addicts. This is the argument that both JTV and jem made when people were creating new D-Addicts torrents for certain files of theirs. I know that Clubbox users also upload as well as download, but that's the point. The point is that this exact type of activity can happen on the D-Addicts tracker.
This is only true if the same files are available on clubboxes which isn't the general case. Also it steels rather a leecher than a seeder. And with 'leecher' I mean a downloading peer that probably isn't interested in sharing files at d-addicts anyway and thus never becomes a seeder. How do you think, some peers have low share ratios of 10% or less? I think if we loose some non-contributing leechers and have maybe only 400 instead of 500 finished downloads for a torrent it improves the ratio of dedicated users vs. leech-and-run users greatly. I think this is rather a benefit for the overall tracker performance. Since a lot of members have a bandwidth limit or a monthly volume limit the will decide on their own what is best for them.
Aren't you a bit overdramatizing that whole thing a little? I doubt that many files will be moved from the tracker to clubboxes so that the tracker will be neglected. That would be stupid, IMO, because it obviously doesn't work in the long term as long as the files get uploaded to small individual clubboxes. A lot of memebers will realize that very soon. Remember that the files get deleted from the clubboxes after a short time and the clubboxes might get demoted to bronze sooner or later due to a low box score. In three weeks most of the new clubbox owners will have had their inspection and things will be calmed down again... I hope. Most members use clubboxes to download what they don't get here (e.g. movies, or new dramas). Nobody wants to turn d-addicts into a giant clubbox. That would be the end. After all, it seems only a limited number of our members use the clubbox service anyway.
Besides a number of original fansubbed and self-captured files the d-addicts tracker works generally the way that users download files from newsgroups, ed2k, and clubboxes and upload them then on the tracker, not the other way around. You know that. The clubbox files that affect d-addicts mostly at the moment are new raw kdrama TVRips. But those have a lower priority here anyway. Raw kdramas don't need to be uploaded immediately on the tracker when they are released as long as they are available on clubboxes.
Of course all our files should be shared mainly through BT and stay where they are. And I believe this will happen in the long term. But what if the original creators/encoders/capturers decides to move their files to another place, can we stop them? Interestingly, both JTV and Jem have opened their own clubboxes this week. It may work out good for them because they offer original files and their boxes will probably easily reach gold status. We will see if this will affect their BT distrubution significantly in the near future. No need to push the panic button, IMHO.
groink wrote:3) IRC is the same thing as Clubbox purely on the basis of stealing seeding opportunities from D-Addicts. I don't know where you were at the time some of us moderators discussed the fserve issue on #d-addicts in the moderators forum, but the stealing of possible seeders by fserve was an issue with the mods, causing fserves from being banned from the channel.
IRC fserve is not the same as clubbox. Btw, I see everything from the seeder's viewpoint. An IRC fserve dedicates all his upload
capacity to the dcc/xdcc protocol and can barely use any other distribution methods. Clubbox users are rarely uploading. They are basically leeching from clubboxes because they don't want to or cannot share. But who knows, perhaps they will upload here what they downloaded from a clubbox (which is very likely for new kdramas for example).
Yes, we decided not to support fserves so all users can dedicate their upload bandwidth on Bittorent seeding. Another reason was that it would only interfere with the chat in a bad way. (There are still some ppl joining the channel looking for fserves every week.) It's a nice side effect that users are automatically forced to use BT and to share at least a little. And yes, I took part in the discussion from the very beginning and decided against fserves.
groink wrote:MoerkJ, as a moderator, shouldn't you have D-Addicts' torrents as your primary interest, rather than defending other P2P technologies? I'm beginning to believe you don't see P2P technologies competing with each other. To allow other P2P techologies to be promoted on D-Addicts is one thing, and I'm totally okay with that. But not acknowledging the fact that other P2P technologies steal opportunities from D-Addicts torrents is irresponsible. And it's clear one of the moderators believe in the conflict, regarding BT-Slut's link for Friends 2002 being removed.
No, torrents are not my primary interest. I use different technologies to obtain files not just P2P services. The last series I uploaded here was obviously not leeched from the D-Addicts tracker.
Different technologies are rather complementing each other as only few users are able to use them all. D-Addicts is not only BT-freaks. Here are also ppl who discuss drama topics besides the P2P-world, who ask for help related to all kinds of problems, or doing other important drama related things like fansubbing etc. All this has to be managed by the moderator team. And there is no way that a single moderator can have an eye on all these things. It is very possible that something was moderated in my absence. Sometimes I have also this little ugly something called a life.