[Discussion] LIAR GAME (All Seasons)

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[Discussion] LIAR GAME (All Seasons)

Postby haruna_hamasaki » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:47 am

Info taken from DramaWiki.

Synopsis:
Based on the manga series of the same name, Toda Erika plays an honest college student, Kanzaki Nao, who receives a million dollars one day, along with a card saying she has been chosen to take part in the "Liar Game". The aim of the game is to trick the other players out of their one million dollars. At the end, the winner gets one million dollars and the loser is one million dollars in debt. Horrified, Nao tries to contact the game organizers to give them their money back. Her old high school teacher offers to help, but it turns out he actually is her opponent in the game, and easily tricks her out of her million dollars. Coincedentally, Nao notices a newspaper article one day regarding an ex-swindler named Akiyama Shinichi. Desperate, she contacts him for help.

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Toda Erika as Kanzaki Nao
Matsuda Shota as Akiyama Shinichi
Kitamura Soichiro
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Postby christaluvsdrama » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:10 pm

OOOOO I like the plot I can't wait to see the drama. When does it come out?
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Postby christaluvsdrama » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:14 pm

ahhhhh Its Sojiro and that evil Umi-chan from HYD2 hahaha I will watch this for sure. This is the only way I will no longer dislike her. To see her in a new light
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Postby Christabel » Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:22 pm

Im looking forward to watch this drama too =)
I think this new season we'll have a lot of drama to watch! ne?
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Postby T-chan » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:19 pm

Oooh! really looking forward to this! I don't know why, but I really really like Shota! He's a good actor, must take after his brother (whom I also adore, he did a great job as Ren in NANA)!

Also; the plot sounds interesting and it will be nice to see him have a more central role. Not to mention that Erika plays here too, and she's great!
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Postby malljclay » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:26 pm

ouuuu
sounds good
i wanna see : )
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Postby rikki » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:16 am

I also want to see :D
The plot reminds me of Kurosagi to an extent.
I can't wait!

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Postby notimeforfairytales » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:50 am

I'm excited about this one. I wasn't initially, but now I am! It looks really good.

And now that I don't really dislike Toda Erika anymore (I did after seeing her as Umi in HYD2.. but then I saw Nobuta and THnK and kinda liked her in those dramas.. so my burning hate died.. lol), I'm looking forward to seeing her in a new drama. Same goes for Shota. I'm not a big fan of his, but he's an interesting actor.
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Postby kawaiigarden » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:09 pm

Me too I'm really excited about that one.I can't wait to see it.There'll be such great doramas in april, as Bambino (Jun hot), Proposal daisakusen (Yamapi cute) and Liar Game with Shota and Toda, I'm so excited to see them after HYD2.
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Postby Ryv X » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:05 am

I saw how Shotas character looks in the drama..his hair looks weird. It still sounds like a good dorama. Does anybody know if any groups are going to sub it?

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Postby Puppet Princess » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:34 am

I've been waiting for about a month for someone to announce they were subbing this and I still haven't heard anything. I want to see this so badly though. I love Shota so much.

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Postby xdieselx » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:01 am

S-projects already announced that they're going to sub this drama. :D

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Postby T-chan » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:10 pm

Yay! Then with someone subbing it, that means it's really time to really start looking forward for it to come!

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Postby minnilu » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:54 pm

....awww ...definitely watching xD~ >.< ... so s-projects is subbing it? ...yay ^.^
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Postby loveWG » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:03 pm

Yay! Looking forward to this ;)

S-Projects, thanks in advance.

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Postby sheep11 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:17 am

it comes out on april 14! can't wait to see it! the plot looks good, and i like both leads!
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Postby kawaiigarden » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:18 am

Yes S-Project thank you so much.Liar Game is a good goog choice.
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Postby tianj » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:28 am

Sorry to tell everyone this, but siantut, due to copyright laws in Japan(she lives in Japan), won't be subbing any jdramas from now on since consequences of subbing is a bit drastic in Japan.

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Postby kawaiigarden » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:31 am

Oh My God, so we'll not have subs for this drama.OH they're so strict in Japan.Can they think about drama fan all over the world.

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Subtitling and the Market Forces

Postby dragonpoetry » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:09 pm

No, they don't think of fansubbing all over the world. In fact, they'd really like to stamp it out if they could.

I do think that the companies putting the production money into these dramas are not well-served by then hiring Joe's Subtitling & Ura Video Shack to do the "official" translations and subtitles. There is nothing to turn off a potential fan (and market!) faster than subtitles that make little or no sense in the target language. ("Backstroke of the West" comes to mind --that's the translated title for a bad Revenge of the Sith translation copy)

Yet, if they could spend very little extra and get decent translations for the videos from people who speak the language idiomatically in both the original language and the target, they'd grow a market.

What they worry about is quite obviously NOT the translation. No, what they are worried about is the loss of revenue due to file sharing. I argue that if they'd just give us clever translations and then make it available to download for a price, they'd have serious bank rolling in.

Just think about the ability to pick and choose from ANY asian/foreign drama with subtitles done on the quality level that amrayu and company did for Hana Yori Dango (have I said thank you for that? Thank you!). Gives me chills of pleasure just thinking about being able to get that without feeling like I'm a customer at a Speakeasy*.

I hope that Liar Game DOES get translated. I am SO looking forward to that one.

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*Speakeasy - in the 1920's in the USA, alcohol was outlawed through federal laws. After alcohol was made illegal, small private clubs sprang up to offer alcohol to the masses for a price. Police would often raid these clubs as they found them. You'd have to know someone who was a member to get access to the club, and then they were found in back alleys and required special passwords and knowledge to get in. When Prohibition was repealed, the clubs vanished.

Of course, now we have the Pot Runners that maintain databases and pin codes and use runners to deliver your weed to your home. I kid you not.

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Postby cantiara » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:23 pm

tianj wrote:Sorry to tell everyone this, but siantut, due to copyright laws in Japan(she lives in Japan), won't be subbing any jdramas from now on since consequences of subbing is a bit drastic in Japan.


Aww, that's too bad indeed. I also read in siantut's forum that she especially called the TV Network just to confirm their stand on the issue; I really appreciate her for doing that. I just hope that another fansubber who doesn't live in Japan will pick this up, since it seems like a quite interesting drama.
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Postby 8thSin » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:36 pm

Toda Erica is really H.O.T lately! I can't wait to see her in starring role this time :thumleft:

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Postby novemberbaby » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:00 am

Can't wait to see this since I love psychological thrillers. Not to mention that Toda Erika is in this as well as Shota. Hope to see some improvement in acting.

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Postby foxhana » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:27 pm

can someone post pics of this? so that i know what it is.. :)

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Postby iloveoki » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:01 pm

Well, about copyright laws...

I heard that siantut is going to write detailed reports about the episodes on her website. The thing about fansubs is that you are producing your own work off of copyrighted material. (at least in Japan...) I think that siantut is doing a really smart thing. I wouldn't mind watching episodes raw and then reading about the pieces I didn't understand. Whenever I read subs, I can get distracted and its hard to enjoy. I am actually looking forward to siantut's reviews.

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Postby blackstarjr » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:07 pm

Toda Erika :wub: ..The only reason plus plot or kinda interesting since deja vu to kurosagi kinda..cannot wait to watch it
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Postby orichan » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:53 pm

Hi all.

I am joinning this forum for this series. I am super excited about it because I have read the manga since day one. It's too bad the manga is not translated into English cause even though the art is kind of sucky, it's really quite good.

I am just wondering if anyone here can translate the psychology lesson on the LiarGame website. It looks very interesting.

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If anyone know Chinese, then they don't have to worry about subbing cause a group already announced the project.

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Postby avexdevil » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:51 pm

all i know this is gonna be like another kurosagi, which i personally did not enjoy...

i'm watching this just for toda erika ^_^.

phew lucky someone is subbing this in chinese! i've been getting most of my drama fixes from btpig or clubbox anyway, english subs take too long to be released...

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Postby orichan » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:14 am

Personally, I think LiarGame is very different from an episodic show like Kurosagi. But that's for you to decide when you do watch the show.

I wrote a long post detailing some of the differences, but the reply system ate the post up. :cussing:

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Postby aeris0729 » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:50 am

i hate UMI!! i dont think that my first impression on her will change because of this new drama.. i dont want her to be with shota..though there are rumors that the two of them are dating..and i hate that!!!GGGRRR!!

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Postby nagaioyasumi » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:44 am

aeris0729 wrote:i hate UMI!! i dont think that my first impression on her will change because of this new drama.. i dont want her to be with shota..though there are rumors that the two of them are dating..and i hate that!!!GGGRRR!!


For the love of God, the actress's name is Toda Erika! Umi is just the name of the character she played in HYD2. There is a difference between the two!

That said, I'm really looking forward to Liar Game tonight. I can't wait to see Matsuda Shota in a role other than Soujirou - even though he looked absolutely horrid on the Iitomo Spring SP. If done well, this drama can be really good. I hope it doesn't turn out like the cheesy mess that was Kurosagi.

ETA: To the people who have read the manga, is there any romance between the two leads?
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Postby gemtsoi » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:51 am

^ Exactly. Her name is Toda Erika. She wasn't born Umi, intent on destroying Domyouji and Makino's relationship. LOL...and why should you 'hate' it if they were together? :blink

I'm really looking forward to Liar Game, since Toda Erika and Matsuda Shota are two of my favourites :) It's good that there will be Chinese subs, but even so, they're sometimes very inaccurate cause they go in for speed instead of accuracy, and I would really like someone to pick this up for English subs... so I'll keep on hoping!

As for Japan's copyright laws, I agree with dragonpoetry that it would work if Japan would only see the benefits of hiring good people (possibly fansubbers) to work on their TV serials and produce high-quality subtitles that can be bought legally, but, as usual, the industry isn't half as smart as the viewers...so...we'll just have to wait and hope they wise up soon ;)

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Postby minnilu » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:10 am

neee you shouldn'r hate Erika toda just because she played Umi in HanaDan2 >-< did you watch Tatta hitotsu no koi? ...if not you should ^.^
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Postby kiwigloomy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:34 am

The plot sound interesting, so it cant be too bad
i'm looking forward to this drama~~(Mainly Because of Toda)
First notice her in Engine, but she was great in Gal Circle & Death Note...
But the cast seems kinda weak...I mean just having Erika in it...

Same thing happen to "Akane" with just Maki Horikita starring in it, a horrible 8.72 rating, but the main reason is probably becos of the boring plot(even thou that was also based off a manga)

Even thou, dont really like shota, but i am really looking forward to see him wearing that funny wig~! =D

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Postby vivaldi » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:08 pm

Just saw it on Tv,

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It watches likes kurosagi, but with weirder lighting and ambience. The shows flow is a little weird, but okay. After the first ep, I am on the fence on this one, gonna have to see where it goes from here, but yeah, feels like something done before. [/spoiler]

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Postby orichan » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:38 pm

First game is your very normal swindling that we are all used to and that you see in Kurosagi, but when you get to game 2 and game 3, the games become very unique and intersting. Game 1 << game 2 and game 3.

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Game 2 is a minority game (people vote, minority votes win, people who voted with majority loses).

Game 3 is a majority game (odd number of people has 5 votes each, after 10 rounds, all people win except for the person with least votes, oh you get a check book too to buy and sell things).

Winners have to go into the next round. Losers... well they are in heavy debt. You have to pay half of what you won to get out of the game, if you want.

The process of winning is what's fun to watch. Lots of psychology. Lots of teaming up. Lots of betrayals.
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Postby 8thSin » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:32 pm

I just saw the first ep too... It has very low-budget feel to it (and probably is because it's at 11PM), and acting was very bad.

Kind of interesting story though, I'll keep watching just for Toda Erika :lol

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Postby avexdevil » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:42 pm

yea...personally, I did just rename it to the Toda Erika Show or something along those lines. Take her out of the equation, I'm guessing viewership will drop by 90% lol.

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Postby SummerLoveRemix » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:12 pm

^ Haha, maybe. Some people still might want to watch it for Matsuda Shota
I'm waiting for ep 01 to finish downloading

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Postby furransu » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:24 am

do they use the same puppet as in the english movie SAW?? lol..

i think this movie has some "SAW" elements in it.. in SAW some random people are put in the game where they have to try survice.. in Liar Game.. erika randomly gets money and plays a game... also the puppets are similar!!

what do you think??

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Postby kiwigloomy » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:27 am

First episode's rating : 12.3....

And yeah, the puppet and the video, lol

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Postby BOGCHI » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:40 am

I saw the first episode.. and I thought it was pretty good.. :scratch: :thumleft:

It did have that Kurosagi feel to it (which I stopped watching after the first episode), but I thought it was a lot better and I'm looking forward to watching the next episode.

and I liked the camera effects used.

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Postby LiarLiar » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:55 am

I just finish watching the first episode. It was much better than I thought it would be. I was only watching this for Erika Toda, but the story is quite engaging. The show is pretty low-budget, but the story make up for it. The show is very fast and doesn't waste too much time on details which might be a problem later on, but for now it's good. Hopefully we will get full 45 minutes from here on out. Good start.

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Postby 8thSin » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:03 am

12.3% is an incredibly high rating. This show was aired on 11:10PM on 45 min new timeslot. Not the hottest time for getting ratings. Go Toda Erika! :notworthy:

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Postby kiwigloomy » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:19 am

8thSin wrote:12.3% is an incredibly high rating. This show was aired on 11:10PM on 45 min new timeslot. Not the hottest time for getting ratings. Go Toda Erika! :notworthy:


Hmm, not that incredibly high... (Afterall Saturday, is a new time slot for Fuji drama)
But its definitely not a bad rating at all(since its at 11)~
Hope the rating will be raising~

btw, joudan jyanai got 19.4 =.= Was a little disappointed, expected higher...

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Postby japysia » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:20 am

Yeah, the rating is pretty high.On that time slot, you need some nudity to boost rating like Tokumei Kakarichou Tadano Hitoshi series.
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Postby gemtsoi » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:06 am

I've finished the first episode. It held my interest throughout, which is good, and Matsuda Shota looked hot, which is even better :D That said, I love the opening credits with the two sofas, and the camera effects and all didn't affect me at all. Currently it seems rather simplistic, but I'm sure it'll get more interesting later on, so I'll keep watching :)

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Postby avexdevil » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:23 pm

quite the budget show...considering there are hardly any 'extras' in the film at all. if you notice, u only always see toda erika and one another character she is interacting with in the shoot...

as for the first episode, i'm not overly impressed, shouta's plan to get back the money sounds rather stupid if u ask me. So he is intimidating the old man to return the $$, couldn't anyone have thought of that?

I personally wouldn't stay to watch the show because of the storyline. But everytime I see toda erika pulling a sad face or smile, it just really makes the whole thing worth it :).

And in response to someone's comment about nudity - no way! Erika is only 19 :O...

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Postby airskape » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:01 pm

just watched first ep too. average drama so far, but the cast is too good to just drop it from the first ep lol
is it just me or does toda erika get prettier each time she appears in a new drama? :whistling:

but i wonder what the storyline will be like once she gets her money back from the guy. is it going to be another kurosagi where a new game player appears and she has to steal money from them again? (i NEVER watch the trailers at the end of the episode because i think they give away WAY too much information/spoilers)

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Postby fishy » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:05 am

yes true, nothing to impress much about this first episode. But I love the cinematography and special effects of this drama. I find it different from others. I love to see how the storyline goes.

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Postby foofeh » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:18 am

I thought it was average too. It was a really typical plot but for some reason I liked it a lot. Maybe it's because I love the genre (I love love love Kurosagi....) and the cast. :D I will definitely continue to watch! Erika does get prettier! And I noticed...the colors are really saturated in this drama!

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Postby Dare_Devil09 » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:13 am

Does any1 know where I can download the series? It not on Torrent yet??

Will there also be a love story in this series?
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Postby foofeh » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:15 am

It is on torrent. :O Raw+softsubs, and a hardsub is out too. Just search and you'll find it.

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Postby Bodhi » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:26 am

Dare_Devil09 wrote:Does any1 know where I can download the series? It not on Torrent yet??


Download the bit torrent for the hardsub here

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Postby Dare_Devil09 » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:27 am

Ok thanx found it now
I spell Liar wrong hihi silly me.
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Postby loveWG » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:13 am

Didn't realize the show airs on a late time slot!

Low budget feel, but I honestly enjoyed the episode. It might not have been mind blowing, but it would be interesting to see how the rest of the game would be played. I am expecting to see more consequences to their actions.

I really liked the opening credits. I liked the background and the contrast between black and red. :)

Not so crazy about Shota's hair though.

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Postby Fishii » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:31 am

loveWG wrote:Didn't realize the show airs on a late time slot!

Low budget feel, but I honestly enjoyed the episode. It might not have been mind blowing, but it would be interesting to see how the rest of the game would be played. I am expecting to see more consequences to their actions.

I really liked the opening credits. I liked the background and the contrast between black and red. :)

Not so crazy about Shota's hair though.


I agree! I enjoyed the episode, I think it's quite different from other shows I've watched so far, and I'm really impatiently waiting for the next episode!

I'm not crazy about Shota in general... hahaha~ And I agree, his hair's just not that great. But I still loooove Erika ^^

I caan't wait =( Someone spare meeeeee

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Postby Maz0r » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:22 pm

Not impressed also,
I'm afraid the plot won't be that interesting, I feel the main interest is going to be how smart/cool he is and how cute/innocent she is, well anyway I'm not going to drop it right now, I've been waiting too long for it ^o^v

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Postby cherrypieandmore » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:40 pm

This actually looks pretty interesting. At least the first episode managed to keep my interest alive. Here's hoping that the pacing picks up. -crosses fingers-

Toda Erika looked so gorgeous in that red dress!

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Postby cindai » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:05 am

I like this kind of drama and i'm looking forward to another challenge for next episode. nice to have shota and erika pairing up and shota look so cool in this drama.

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Postby mimmi » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:17 pm

furransu wrote:do they use the same puppet as in the english movie SAW?? lol..

i think this movie has some "SAW" elements in it.. in SAW some random people are put in the game where they have to try survice.. in Liar Game.. erika randomly gets money and plays a game... also the puppets are similar!!

what do you think??


yeah, looks like the same puppet on "Saw", which kept making me flash back to "Saw Three" that I watched 3 months ago, so it makes episode one end up not so interesting for me and I think because of that darn puppet....so I just decided not to watch it anymore

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Postby starcrumbs » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:35 pm

I actually don't like the lead female...what's her name? Toda Erika? Anyways, I think it must be from HYD2 plus I don't really think she can act, she does the same thing in all the movies/dramas I see her in. I'm gonna give this drama some more time though, I think it's too early to judge just from the first episode.

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Postby kurodreams » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:42 pm

is the hardsubs out for episode 1 & 2? if it did, i cant find them o.O since i think the story line sounds okay. and the lead male role(not the father) is really cute =P from kattun.

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Postby Lady Zhuge » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:08 am

kurodreams wrote:is the hardsubs out for episode 1 & 2? if it did, i cant find them o.O since i think the story line sounds okay. and the lead male role(not the father) is really cute =P from kattun.


Episode 2 hasn't even aired yet, but episode 1's already been hardsubbed and released. Talk about record speed, lol. I think this series is okay so far. They seemed to cram a lot into the first episode, but it didn't feel very exciting or as interesting as it could have been. Hopefully it gets better.

Matsuda Shota isn't part of KAT-TUN, but yeah, he's a looker.

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Postby yck » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:20 am

The manga is up to ep. 34 (or 35), just about 4 volumes. The 1st episode already covered half of vol. 1; at this rate, the drama may have to come up w/ original material after about ep. 8. As someone has already pointed out, the 1st 'game' is not very interesting but gets much better with subsequent ones, w/ quite a bit more logic and psychology involved.

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Postby KawaiiD » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:46 am

this drama is cool =] can't wait for episode 2 =DD

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Postby shui chan » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:55 pm

I LOVED it!
It was so cool~ :thumright:
The plot is really good and intresting and the music and the atmosphere was really suitable.

And of course Toda Erika and Matsuda Shota played very good as well.
I was so sad that the ep was shorter than usuall a I wait impatiencely to the next ep!~ :cheers:
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Postby smartasien » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:10 am

wow this is just as retarded as gyarusa. jeez... :glare:

the music doesn't fit at all and erikas acting in this drama is bad too....

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Postby Felguard » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:30 am

Thought it'd be really good because of the actors, but the storyline is so easy to predict. I've probably guess about 10 things that were going to happen before they did in episode one and I got them all right.

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Postby snowbug » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:21 am

Eh.

Since when has being honest meant being ridiculously gullible?

Other than that, this seems interesting enough.

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Postby Lady Zhuge » Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:57 am

snowbug wrote:Eh.

Since when has being honest meant being ridiculously gullible?


Seriously! And I think you're putting it kindly. "Stupid" is the word I would have used.

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Postby lilxchinesegrl » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:38 am

the first episodes pretty interesting.. hmm.. maybe im looking too much into it.. but what if Akiyama Shinichi turned out to be the person who started the whole game??

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Postby crimmy » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:52 am

The first ep wasnt as impressive as I thought it would be... but after reading some comments saying it would be better... i guess i'll continue it =P

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Postby malljclay » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:58 pm

I didnt know that guy from HYD was going to be in here.
But hes HOT!
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their fame is overwhelming

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Postby orichan » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:33 pm

Lady Zhuge wrote:Seriously! And I think you're putting it kindly. "Stupid" is the word I would have used.


She is baka shoujiki for good reasons.

That's why in my opinion, translating it as too honest for her own good is an understatement. No, no she is stupidly/idiotically honest (in my version of the sub -- http://download.yousendit.com/0731B93858475A33
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