[Discussion] Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu
[Discussion] Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu
Synopsis from Dramawiki:
Aoishi Hanae is set to turn 30. She works for a general trading company and has never taken a day off or been late for work. She dresses pleasantly plain and has zero dating experience.
She attends a company party and drinks with part-time employee Tanokura Yuto. He is a handsome university student. Through the evening, Hanae becomes drunk and passes out. When she wakes up, Hanae finds Yuto sleeping next to her and he is naked. She becomes confused about what happened and takes the day off from work for the first time. To come out of her shell, Hanae decides to date Yuto who is 9 years younger than her.
At this time Asao Yu, the CEO of a food company located in the same building as her company, begins to have feelings for Hanae.
Official Website
www.ntv.co.jp/yasumimasu
NTV, Wednesdays 10pm
English subs by nikid and zweihander11 here
Cast:
Ayase Haruka as Aoishi Hanae
Fukushi Sota as Tanokura Yuto
Tamaki Hiroshi as Asao Yu
Naka Riisa as Okawa Hitomi
Taguchi Junnosuke as Ooshiro So
Chiba Yudai as Kagami Tatsuo
Fukikoshi Mitsuru as Tachibana Takaaki
Asano Kazuyuki as Aoishi Iwao
Takahata Atsuko as Aoishi Mitsuyo
Hiraiwa Kami as Sasano Ichika
Taguchi Hiromasa as Bushizawa Yoshihiro
Mikami Kensei
Watanabe Kunito
Nakatsugawa Tomohiro
Igawa Tetsuya (井川哲也)
Kamino Naotaka (神農直隆)
Kinbara Yasunari (金原泰成)
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Is anyone watching this? I just finished the first episode and quite like it, mainly for the smouldering Tamaki Hiroshi, who looks really hot in this. Dang, serious second-lead syndrome here, and totally rooting for his Yu, so much manly sexy charisma. Ayase Haruka is pretty good so far as the inexperienced girl who's a bundle of nerves when it comes to romance. I am also liking Hanae's interactions with Yu, they have some subtle sexy tension going on...
Fukushi Sota is rather bland as Yuto, his expressions don't seem to change. Naka Riisa's Hitomi is a bit annoying, not every modern woman has to be man-hungry like she is. I do like Hanae's parents, they seem really nice.
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A couple of fansubbers are doing up English subs, so we'll just have to be patientGaussAlgorithmus wrote:Due to the lack of subtitles, I'm not watching it
Edit: subs are here!
Meanwhile, you can check out episode 1's recap here: http://koalasplayground.com/2014/10/17/ ... e-1-recap/
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I liked the first episode, it was quite decent. I'm looking forward to the story, though with romantic doramas I always fear that the story will get repetitive and the episodes become boring. But as a like the three main casts, I'm hoping for the best. It'S great to see Ayase Haruka again even though she looks like she lost weight... :/
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After watching ep 1 raw, I knew I had to get some serious Tamaki dosage because ep 1 tibits just weren't enough. So I went and re-watched Nodame Cantabile all over again. (My next stop would be deer man.) I'm watching this for my Hiroshi/Ayase ending. The boy just isn't hot enough so I don't care for him. If my OTP won't end up together, I will smash some potatoes.
In Nodame, I fell for Tamaki-chan for his scholar secshiness. In this drama, he makes me fall for him again with his mature business man secshiness. So charming. (I guess he has been traveling. He has this tan.)
In Nodame, I fell for Tamaki-chan for his scholar secshiness. In this drama, he makes me fall for him again with his mature business man secshiness. So charming. (I guess he has been traveling. He has this tan.)
Haha. Same here. I figured Jiken Kyuumei might do the trick.Hideaki_Ito wrote:After watching ep 1 raw, I knew I had to get some serious Tamaki dosage...
I saw the first ep and will probably give the series a try since I haven't seen any dramas of this genre lately. Is this based on a manga? Because I'm deathly afraid that it could go the way of Last Cinderella.... and could sure use a heads up. Might be best to go into this without any expectations.
GaussAlgorithmus: I know, right? It's really enjoyable so far, which makes the wait painful. I'm watching Top Caster for now, to stave off the wait - and to see a different side of Tamaki, he's a total goofball in there.
He and Ayase have an almost completely different vibe in Shikaotoko Aoniyoshi, but it's totally worth a watch too, so I hope you enjoy it! As for the tan, Tamaki has a travel programme currently airing in Japan that shows him visiting various cities and introducing their local culture and sights. It's on every Thursday night, so the lucky Japanese audience can watch him two days in a row!
Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu is based on a manga, which is not yet finished. As far as I know, the manga is more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto, but it seems the dorama has upped Yu's screentime, which is a good thing because I find Yuto pretty bland. So far it doesn't look like the horror that is Last Cinderella, Hanae is more likeable and not as disgusting as Sakura. I'm hoping for more fireworks between Hanae and Yu!
Mmm Nodame Cantabile. What an awesome drama all round. Love Tamaki as Chiaki senpai, he is unrivalled! Chiaki was so sexy in all those white shirts, and here, Yu is just slaying it again in his business suits. Yum!Hideaki_Ito wrote:After watching ep 1 raw, I knew I had to get some serious Tamaki dosage because ep 1 tibits just weren't enough. So I went and re-watched Nodame Cantabile all over again. (My next stop would be deer man.) I'm watching this for my Hiroshi/Ayase ending. The boy just isn't hot enough so I don't care for him. If my OTP won't end up together, I will smash some potatoes.
In Nodame, I fell for Tamaki-chan for his scholar secshiness. In this drama, he makes me fall for him again with his mature business man secshiness. So charming. (I guess he has been traveling. He has this tan.)
He and Ayase have an almost completely different vibe in Shikaotoko Aoniyoshi, but it's totally worth a watch too, so I hope you enjoy it! As for the tan, Tamaki has a travel programme currently airing in Japan that shows him visiting various cities and introducing their local culture and sights. It's on every Thursday night, so the lucky Japanese audience can watch him two days in a row!
I like Jiken Kyuumei, I think it's the first time Tamaki has portrayed a medical professional. I hope they do continue the series even though it's in tanpatsu format. There were things still left unresolved by the end of the second one.zooey wrote:Haha. Same here. I figured Jiken Kyuumei might do the trick.
I saw the first ep and will probably give the series a try since I haven't seen any dramas of this genre lately. Is this based on a manga? Because I'm deathly afraid that it could go the way of Last Cinderella.... and could sure use a heads up. Might be best to go into this without any expectations.
Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu is based on a manga, which is not yet finished. As far as I know, the manga is more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto, but it seems the dorama has upped Yu's screentime, which is a good thing because I find Yuto pretty bland. So far it doesn't look like the horror that is Last Cinderella, Hanae is more likeable and not as disgusting as Sakura. I'm hoping for more fireworks between Hanae and Yu!
I hope you're right about it not being the trainwreck that was Last Cinderella. Anyway, if all else fails, I'll just go rewatch "Love Shuffle" to supplement my Tamaki Hiroshi fix. It's quite hard to come by engaging romance dramas nowadays that will stand the test of time. They just don't make them like they used to (e.g. Love Generation, Kekkon Dekinai Otoko).kitty10 wrote:Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu is based on a manga, which is not yet finished. As far as I know, the manga is more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto, but it seems the dorama has upped Yu's screentime, which is a good thing because I find Yuto pretty bland. So far it doesn't look like the horror that is Last Cinderella, Hanae is more likeable and not as disgusting as Sakura. I'm hoping for more fireworks between Hanae and Yu!
I used to like Hotaru when it came out but when I tried watching it a second time to prepare for its second season, it just got on my nerves. I guess there really are shows that appeal only to a specific generation and then you outgrow them. Will keep my fingers crossed that Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu will have something better to offer.
Totally agree that they don't make rom-coms like they used to. Stupid lip-presses that are so bland and boring, who the heck kisses like that? Ayase has unfortunately done those lip-presses with both Tamaki and Fujiki Naohito, which aggravates me to no end - c'mon, you're kissing two hot guys and you just stand there stiff as a board? Mehhhh.zooey wrote:I hope you're right about it not being the trainwreck that was Last Cinderella. Anyway, if all else fails, I'll just go rewatch "Love Shuffle" to supplement my Tamaki Hiroshi fix. It's quite hard to come by engaging romance dramas nowadays that will stand the test of time. They just don't make them like they used to (e.g. Love Generation, Kekkon Dekinai Otoko).
I used to like Hotaru when it came out but when I tried watching it a second time to prepare for its second season, it just got on my nerves. I guess there really are shows that appeal only to a specific generation and then you outgrow them. Will keep my fingers crossed that Kyou wa Kaisha Yasumimasu will have something better to offer.
I usually go to Nodame Cantabile for my Tamaki fix, although Love Shuffle is awesome as well - I love that pool scene in ep 2 where Kei kicks everyone else's asses I adore Kei and Ai-ai, and love the quartet's camaraderie. All the panda jokes! The pyjama parties!
As for Hotaru... I'm glad they ended the franchise because the funnies were getting thin. I enjoyed the first season mainly because of Fujiki, and the young suitor bits were so boring. I did like season 2, but again I felt Mukai Osamu wasn't a strong enough rival even though I did like him. And Hotaru is not something I can rewatch without skipping parts - that'd be Nodame and Love Revolution.
As for Kaisha, if they keep upping Tamaki's screentime, I'm good. Otherwise I might toss someone across the room a la Chiaki.
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I think, there is a reason for this: Export. K-dramas are extremely popular outside of Korea, especially in muslim countries, simply because they are "virtous"...I don't really know how to call it. But let me rephrase it: If you have nudity, pre marriage sex or "hot" kissing scenes that are more then just "lip pressing", I guess the chances that your TV show will be bought and shown in a muslim country will sharply decline.kitty10 wrote:Totally agree that they don't make rom-coms like they used to. Stupid lip-presses that are so bland and boring, who the heck kisses like that? Ayase has unfortunately done those lip-presses with both Tamaki and Fujiki Naohito, which aggravates me to no end - c'mon, you're kissing two hot guys and you just stand there stiff as a board? Mehhhh.
Before the rise of K-dramas, Japanese producers couldn't care less about this, because they sold their dramas like hotcakes to other asian countries. There was hardly any competition. But with the popularity of Kdramas, that has changed.
This is the only explanaition I have, why Japanese dramas went back from real looking kisses to stiff lip pressing.
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I'm kinda in denial of the Last Cinderella possibility because it makes me angry. My only hope is that if Tamaki doesn't get the girl in the drama, at least he gets the girl in real life. This is the 3rd collab I saw between Tamaki and Ayase. I like them as a couple.zooey wrote: Haha. Same here. I figured Jiken Kyuumei might do the trick.
I saw the first ep and will probably give the series a try since I haven't seen any dramas of this genre lately. Is this based on a manga? Because I'm deathly afraid that it could go the way of Last Cinderella.... and could sure use a heads up. Might be best to go into this without any expectations.
I already saw deer man a while back (during my Tamaki craze right after Nodame Cantabile. I even bought a few versions of his "Waterboys." I also like Top Caster.) The story was kind of weird with deer man but I liked the fact that Tamaki got the girl.kitty10 wrote: Mmm Nodame Cantabile. What an awesome drama all round. Love Tamaki as Chiaki senpai, he is unrivalled! Chiaki was so sexy in all those white shirts, and here, Yu is just slaying it again in his business suits. Yum!
He and Ayase have an almost completely different vibe in Shikaotoko Aoniyoshi, but it's totally worth a watch too, so I hope you enjoy it! As for the tan, Tamaki has a travel programme currently airing in Japan that shows him visiting various cities and introducing their local culture and sights. It's on every Thursday night, so the lucky Japanese audience can watch him two days in a row!
Heck, it'll be hard to dig up that traveling program.
GaussAlgorithmus: If that's true, that's damn sad (actually I have more words for this, but they are not suitable for posting online).
I just don't want Yu anywhere near Hitomi, she annoys me.
Ayase is rumoured to be dating Osawa Takao, her co-star in JIN, while Tamaki reportedly has a non-celebrity girlfriend. Also, I'm not sure about a third collaboration... did you mean Princess Toyotomi?Hideaki_Ito wrote:I'm kinda in denial of the Last Cinderella possibility because it makes me angry. My only hope is that if Tamaki doesn't get the girl in the drama, at least he gets the girl in real life. This is the 3rd collab I saw between Tamaki and Ayase. I like them as a couple.
I just don't want Yu anywhere near Hitomi, she annoys me.
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Tamaki wasn't in Toyotomi if I remember correctly. I was talking about "River of first love." The thing is I don't remember what the ending was.kitty10 wrote:
Ayase is rumoured to be dating Osawa Takao, her co-star in JIN, while Tamaki reportedly has a non-celebrity girlfriend. Also, I'm not sure about a third collaboration... did you mean Princess Toyotomi?
I just don't want Yu anywhere near Hitomi, she annoys me.
I heard Ayase broke up with Osawa Takao or something. And Tamaki broke up so many times with his gf (celeb or non-celeb) that I lost count. I'm not following his dating status so I'm not sure but I hope he's not taken yet. I do ship Tamaki/Ayase. It's just another of my wishful thinking.
The more I think about it the more I feel I know where this is going. Yu should have taken the leap of faith and asked Hanae out before college boy made his move. However, Hanae lacks confidence in front of smexy Yu so she would probably reject him out of fear. As for college boy, she feels more confident or in a way superior toward him because she has the upper hand, older and supposedly wiser. I can't see how they would want Hanae to end up with Yu because it's against the rule in drama that smexy and successful man like Yu gets the girl. The girl usually choose the other guy who is the opposite of what the smexy and successful man like Yu stands for. I wouldn't mind that so much if Yu isn't Tamaki and that the other guy is actually hot. It's against my principal to root for such an ending.
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I have to disagree. I myself come from Islamic Country. If there is demand, TV stations will get the series - any excessive hot kissing scenes will just be cut should it is perceived as "too much".GaussAlgorithmus wrote:I think, there is a reason for this: Export. K-dramas are extremely popular outside of Korea, especially in muslim countries, simply because they are "virtous"...I don't really know how to call it. But let me rephrase it: If you have nudity, pre marriage sex or "hot" kissing scenes that are more then just "lip pressing", I guess the chances that your TV show will be bought and shown in a muslim country will sharply decline.kitty10 wrote:Totally agree that they don't make rom-coms like they used to. Stupid lip-presses that are so bland and boring, who the heck kisses like that? Ayase has unfortunately done those lip-presses with both Tamaki and Fujiki Naohito, which aggravates me to no end - c'mon, you're kissing two hot guys and you just stand there stiff as a board? Mehhhh.
Before the rise of K-dramas, Japanese producers couldn't care less about this, because they sold their dramas like hotcakes to other asian countries. There was hardly any competition. But with the popularity of Kdramas, that has changed.
This is the only explanaition I have, why Japanese dramas went back from real looking kisses to stiff lip pressing.
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Interesting. But maybe Malaysia is different from the countries in the middle east? I know from a friend (and have read it several times) that you find a lot of Kdrams on TV, even in Iran. But J-dramas? Nope. I wish I still had the link for the article, that based the popularity on the fact, that K-dramas are cheaper and are "ok" for countries like Iran even without having to cut scenes.emveea wrote:I have to disagree. I myself come from Islamic Country. If there is demand, TV stations will get the series - any excessive hot kissing scenes will just be cut should it is perceived as "too much".
Whatever the truth may be, it's stilll super funny in my eyes, that people take offense in a kissing scene. I mean, it's just kissing...
A small Edit:
Another reason, that gave me the idea to the theory is, that many dramas with extremely bad kissing look and feel like Kdramas, even when beeing Jdramas. "Last Cinderella" maybe the best example. The kissing, the story, the music, the camera angles, the pacing...sooooo Kdramaesque.
River of First Love? Gah, now I have to check that out. Oh, Tamaki was in Toyotomi, but in a very small role - man of takoyaki shopHideaki_Ito wrote:Tamaki wasn't in Toyotomi if I remember correctly. I was talking about "River of first love." The thing is I don't remember what the ending was.
I heard Ayase broke up with Osawa Takao or something. And Tamaki broke up so many times with his gf (celeb or non-celeb) that I lost count. I'm not following his dating status so I'm not sure but I hope he's not taken yet. I do ship Tamaki/Ayase. It's just another of my wishful thinking.
I didn't know Ayase and Osawa broke up (if they did)... well, they're too low-key and I haven't been following. Not sure about Tamaki either, admittely that girlfriend thing I heard was back in 2012. I quite like the Tamaki-Ayase combo, but I'm more partial towards Tamaki-Ueno Juri. I adore them in Nodame Cantabile.
Well, Last Cinderella went against that "smexy guy gets the girl" rule - I found Miura Haruma so dull to watch, not to mention he was so pale and sickly, it felt like he'd been starving himself for three months. Then again, I was glad his character ended up with disgusting Sakura, they deserve each other.Hideaki_Ito wrote:The more I think about it the more I feel I know where this is going. Yu should have taken the leap of faith and asked Hanae out before college boy made his move. However, Hanae lacks confidence in front of smexy Yu so she would probably reject him out of fear. As for college boy, she feels more confident or in a way superior toward him because she has the upper hand, older and supposedly wiser. I can't see how they would want Hanae to end up with Yu because it's against the rule in drama that smexy and successful man like Yu gets the girl. The girl usually choose the other guy who is the opposite of what the smexy and successful man like Yu stands for. I wouldn't mind that so much if Yu isn't Tamaki and that the other guy is actually hot. It's against my principal to root for such an ending.
Yu is interested, but I think he probably wants to suss her out more before he makes his move (if any). It'd suck if she turned out to be another Hitomi beneath her meek exterior. And yes, Hanae would outright reject Yu given how she's behaved towards him so far - she can't even take a bit of teasing. Even if Yu doesn't end up with Hanae, I just hope they do his character justice - please don't make him into some jealous, backstabbing second lead or make him end up with mehhh people like Hitomi.
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GaussAlgorithmus wrote:I just watched the second episode, and Jesus Christ, Hanae is so cute!
The good:
Hitomi, on the other hand, continues to annoy me big time. I am very glad
The preview of ep 3 with Tamaki in a white shirt and bowling
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I do hope we learn more about Yuto otherwise it won't be much of a competition with people favoring Yu---dare I say because he's played by Tamaki? Tamaki Hiroshi sure knows how to make use of his limited screen time.kitty10 wrote: Yuto... ehh. Marginally improved, Still don't see his appeal, but he's less annoying than Hitomi.
Plus, I'm looking forward to how the relationship will develop between Hanae and Yuto considering it's a secret for now. I wonder how it'll be received by the people around them, if and when it gets out.
Right now Hanae reminds me more of a reserved, toned down and school marmy version of Hotaru in terms of her inexperience and hesitance to get into a relationship (sorry for the needless comparison). It's still an enjoyable watch, though I have no freakin idea where it's going.
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It is precisely so I mean, man vs boy? No contest, the man wins. Especially since he's played by Tamaki Hiroshi, who's so sexy in this.zooey wrote:I do hope we learn more about Yuto otherwise it won't be much of a competition with people favoring Yu---dare I say because he's played by Tamaki? Tamaki Hiroshi sure knows how to make use of his limited screen time.
My problem with Yuto now is that I don't know why he's interested in Hanae, and why he'd take her to a hotel if he even sensed that she's inexperienced. Also, Fukushi Sota has just two expressions - bland and bug-eyed.
I understand the comparisons with Hotaru, since it's Ayase in both roles, which are somewhat similar. I just hope Hanae becomes less school-marmish and more relaxed as the drama goes on, otherwise it might get boring.
Exactly. As of now, we have no idea what made him stay with her, much less take her to a hotel. And we're supposed to just accept that he's serious about her? Well, I'm sure there's a back story to it. We'll just have to wait and see. At least with Yu, we're quite sure that he's fairly amused with Hanae since she's so different from the girls that he usually interacts with.kitty10 wrote:My problem with Yuto now is that I don't know why he's interested in Hanae, and why he'd take her to a hotel if he even sensed that she's inexperienced. Also, Fukushi Sota has just two expressions - bland and bug-eyed.
Have to agree that Fukushi Sota (aside from his height) isn't particularly striking. Saw him in Yowakutemo Katemasu and he pretty much has the same limited set of expressions. To be fair, it's just episode 2, he might still grow into his role.
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Uso! Tamaki had a small role in Toyotomi? You sure have sharp eyes. I don't recall seeing him. Did he interact with Ayase? I recall the 3 main leads went to Osaka and to a few eateries. Heck, it was a super boring and forgettable movie.kitty10 wrote: River of First Love? Gah, now I have to check that out. Oh, Tamaki was in Toyotomi, but in a very small role - man of takoyaki shop
I re-watched River of first love and Shikaotoko. I enjoyed them both the 2nd time around. Tamaki had such wild hair in River of first love (2004). They were so cute then. As for Shikaotoko, I really like the screen time between Tamaki and Ayase. I thought it was weird the first time but now I enjoy it.
Haha, who wouldn't fall in love with Tamaki/Ueno combo after watching Nodame Cantabile. I loved them too but that didn't happen. I recall at both times they appeared on Smap Bistro, Nakai kept asking Juri to consider going out with Tamaki.I didn't know Ayase and Osawa broke up (if they did)... well, they're too low-key and I haven't been following. Not sure about Tamaki either, admittely that girlfriend thing I heard was back in 2012. I quite like the Tamaki-Ayase combo, but I'm more partial towards Tamaki-Ueno Juri. I adore them in Nodame Cantabile.
Well, Last Cinderella went against that "smexy guy gets the girl" rule - I found Miura Haruma so dull to watch, not to mention he was so pale and sickly, it felt like he'd been starving himself for three months. Then again, I was glad his character ended up with disgusting Sakura, they deserve each other.
Yu is interested, but I think he probably wants to suss her out more before he makes his move (if any). It'd suck if she turned out to be another Hitomi beneath her meek exterior. And yes, Hanae would outright reject Yu given how she's behaved towards him so far - she can't even take a bit of teasing. Even if Yu doesn't end up with Hanae, I just hope they do his character justice - please don't make him into some jealous, backstabbing second lead or make him end up with mehhh people like Hitomi.
You know I've only watched ep 2 raw so far and I don't feel like watching it again with the subs. It's becoming more like a combo of Hotaru and Last Cinderella. So now Hanae is falling for college boy and feels somewhat comfortable enough to bicker with secshy CEO Yu who takes interest in her but still gives her love advice. At this rate, I fear that Yu's role will be like buchou in Hotaru but the ending will be Last Cinderella reborn. Oh goodie....
The one thing this drama successfully has done for me is making me re-watch Tamaki dramas (like Nodame Cantabile) and Tamaki/Ayase dramas like Shikaotoko. As far as I'm concern, you don't go casting Ayase and Tamaki in the same drama and throw a mediocre looking boy in there hogging up any screen time between them. It makes me angry.
zooey: To be honest, I'm also kinda scratching my head wondering what Hanae saw in Yuto as well. I mean, just because he's pretty much the first one in the last 10 years to explicitly show any sort of interest in her? And of course, doing the nice stuff for her birthday and whatnot... but that doesn't warrant her going to a hotel with him or something...
This last bit from Toyotomi made me giggle:
Sorry, it's so LQ, I streamed the movie online.
I remember the SMAP Bistros with Juri and Hiroshi! They were hilarious, especially how those two ate and the teasing. Ahhh, the good times.
I think it will probably be an open ending because the Kaisha manga is not finished and I don't think the drama will go so far as to decide on the mangaka's behalf who Hanae should end up with. Fukushi Sota is bland, but unfortunately the manga is really more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto...
I skipped to the Tamaki parts in Toyotomi, and got a good giggle every time he appeared. He was really the takoyaki shop guy, haha, with a towel wrapped around his head and totally looked the part of a summer beach guy. He appeared about four brief times, twice with Ayase - once, when he gave her the takoyaki she ordered and warned her not to drop it (she did), and towards the end when she went to buy takoyaki from him and they chatted while waiting for the takoyaki to be cooked.Hideaki_Ito wrote: Uso! Tamaki had a small role in Toyotomi? You sure have sharp eyes. I don't recall seeing him. Did he interact with Ayase? I recall the 3 main leads went to Osaka and to a few eateries. Heck, it was a super boring and forgettable movie.
This last bit from Toyotomi made me giggle:
Sorry, it's so LQ, I streamed the movie online.
I remember the SMAP Bistros with Juri and Hiroshi! They were hilarious, especially how those two ate and the teasing. Ahhh, the good times.
I think it will probably be an open ending because the Kaisha manga is not finished and I don't think the drama will go so far as to decide on the mangaka's behalf who Hanae should end up with. Fukushi Sota is bland, but unfortunately the manga is really more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto...
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Thanks for the caps mate. I really was sleeping while watching it. I have no recollection of him looking like this. But anyways, after digging a bit, I found out Ayase and Hiroshi seemed to know each other since teen age years or something and she gave him the nick "otama-chin". She called him "otama-chin" or "tama-chin" or "tama-chan." So I guess River of first love (10 years ago) wasn't their first meet. There's another drama they starred as lovers. It's "Akai Unmei." So now there are 4 dramas they play lovers that I know of. River of first love-2004 (where they ended up eloping.) Akai Unmei-2005 (where Hiroshi's char confessed first. Don't know the ending 'cause I didn't watch.) Shikaotoko-2008 (where Ayase's char pursued and confessed. Hiroshi's char was going to propose.) And now Kaisha-2014 (where Tamaki's char will be torch carrying the whole way without getting the girl. My heart bleeds.)kitty10 wrote: I skipped to the Tamaki parts in Toyotomi, and got a good giggle every time he appeared. He was really the takoyaki shop guy, haha, with a towel wrapped around his head and totally looked the part of a summer beach guy. He appeared about four brief times, twice with Ayase - once, when he gave her the takoyaki she ordered and warned her not to drop it (she did), and towards the end when she went to buy takoyaki from him and they chatted while waiting for the takoyaki to be cooked.
This last bit from Toyotomi made me giggle:
Sorry, it's so LQ, I streamed the movie online.
I think it will probably be an open ending because the Kaisha manga is not finished and I don't think the drama will go so far as to decide on the mangaka's behalf who Hanae should end up with. Fukushi Sota is bland, but unfortunately the manga is really more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto...
Since the story is about Hanae and Yuto so naturally Hanae would end up with Yuto. That's why my heart bleeds. My feelings are completely in contradiction. On one hand, I'm so happy to see Tamaki and Ayase together in a drama for a long time. On the other hand, the drama flaunts them in front of my face but they don't play lovers. That's wrong. Now I wish they come out with a different Tamaki/Ayase drama instead and have some random two playing Hanae or Yu. But oh well, I will have to deal with my broken hearto.
I think it was a number of factors. For one, she just turned 30 and birthdays do have that weird power to make people either reflect on life and/or impulsively do stuff. She was no doubt touched by his kind gesture and when he asked if he could spend the night with her, she was probably hit by a strong sense of déjà vu and thought about lost opportunities and figured, "heck, why not? carpe diem". I think she was ready to let it go as a one nightstand---which is why she was so embarrassed, thinking that it was reckless of her to have done it with a co-worker---but when Yuto said that he was serious about her, that changed everything.kitty10 wrote:zooey: To be honest, I'm also kinda scratching my head wondering what Hanae saw in Yuto as well. I mean, just because he's pretty much the first one in the last 10 years to explicitly show any sort of interest in her? And of course, doing the nice stuff for her birthday and whatnot... but that doesn't warrant her going to a hotel with him or something...
And yes, I think Hanae's interested in Yuto because he's pretty much the only person who's paid attention to her in a super long time. Older women tend to think that they only have a limited number of choices so when something or someone comes along, they often think, "this is it".
There should be a law against doing adaptations of manga that are yet to be finished. It just throws viewers for a loop. But you know, maybe the screenwriters won't follow the manga to a tee and come up with its own ending. It's not unheard of, depends on what rights were secured in making the series. Here's to wishful thinkingkitty10 wrote:I think it will probably be an open ending because the Kaisha manga is not finished and I don't think the drama will go so far as to decide on the mangaka's behalf who Hanae should end up with. Fukushi Sota is bland, but unfortunately the manga is really more about the romance between Hanae and Yuto...
Hideaki_Ito: Wow, you're a diehard Tamaki-Ayase fan! I didn't know their friendship goes way back, but that'd explain why Tamaki and Ayase keep getting projects together. Now I really need to hunt down River of First Love and Akai Unmei!
Well, don't feel sad yet. The manga is not finished, so it may be that Hanae won't end up with Yuto (not that it means she'll end up with Yu). The dorama seems to be deviating a fair bit from the manga, so maybe it will surprise us, in a good way hopefully, concerning this love triangle. I do hope whatever it is, Yu remains awesome all the way till the end, Tamaki deserves at least that for being so sexy in this!
Ehhh, but Yu also paid attention to Hanae. Why didn't she respond to him instead of giving him the brush-off? I get that she doesn't know how to deal with good-looking men like Yu, but c'mon, he was just trying to make conversation with her. I think she's really overreacting towards him, when all he's done is really to help her. It gets a bit annoying, to be honest (yes, I'm totally letting my bias for Tamaki Hiroshi show )
And well, if there were such a law (against adaptations before manga is finished), Nodame Cantabile and Liar Game wouldn't have been filmed at the time they did, heh. I can't believe the Liar Game manga still isn't finished!
Well, don't feel sad yet. The manga is not finished, so it may be that Hanae won't end up with Yuto (not that it means she'll end up with Yu). The dorama seems to be deviating a fair bit from the manga, so maybe it will surprise us, in a good way hopefully, concerning this love triangle. I do hope whatever it is, Yu remains awesome all the way till the end, Tamaki deserves at least that for being so sexy in this!
Yes, you're right, I'd forgotten Hanae's regret over that incident with her senpai - but eh, it was good she didn't get to do it with him since he was clearly just out for sex. I just don't buy Yuto being serious about her after barely interacting with her in the office. I blame it entirely on Fukushi's one-note face!zooey wrote:I think it was a number of factors. For one, she just turned 30 and birthdays do have that weird power to make people either reflect on life and/or impulsively do stuff. She was no doubt touched by his kind gesture and when he asked if he could spend the night with her, she was probably hit by a strong sense of déjà vu and thought about lost opportunities and figured, "heck, why not? carpe diem". I think she was ready to let it go as a one nightstand---which is why she was so embarrassed, thinking that it was reckless of her to have done it with a co-worker---but when Yuto said that he was serious about her, that changed everything.
And yes, I think Hanae's interested in Yuto because he's pretty much the only person who's paid attention to her in a super long time. Older women tend to think that they only have a limited number of choices so when something or someone comes along, they often think, "this is it".
Ehhh, but Yu also paid attention to Hanae. Why didn't she respond to him instead of giving him the brush-off? I get that she doesn't know how to deal with good-looking men like Yu, but c'mon, he was just trying to make conversation with her. I think she's really overreacting towards him, when all he's done is really to help her. It gets a bit annoying, to be honest (yes, I'm totally letting my bias for Tamaki Hiroshi show )
Yes, here's to hoping *crosses fingers* At the very least, I would like Hanae to be open to a relationship with Yu and to see just how awesome he is. Date him and kiss him! Surely Yu is a better kisser than that boy... I just can't believe Hanae can look at Yu without thinking she'd like to sleep with him at least once. That'd just be defying the laws of logic and common sense.zooey wrote:There should be a law against doing adaptations of manga that are yet to be finished. It just throws viewers for a loop. But you know, maybe the screenwriters won't follow the manga to a tee and come up with its own ending. It's not unheard of, depends on what rights were secured in making the series. Here's to wishful thinking
And well, if there were such a law (against adaptations before manga is finished), Nodame Cantabile and Liar Game wouldn't have been filmed at the time they did, heh. I can't believe the Liar Game manga still isn't finished!
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The two factors presented that I saw were: 1. Friend texted and asked if she was still a virgin in which she responded yes. Friend then said she didn't have many 20s left or something. 2. Past rejection of one night stand lead to no relationship. However, Hanae seemed so reserved, it's hard for me to think those two factors would easily make her take the leap of faith. I think what may make the impulse more convincing would be her physical attraction to him, the urge to jump him that was sleeping dormant in her inner consciousness or something. I did not get the impression she was feeling that way about him.zooey wrote: I think it was a number of factors. For one, she just turned 30 and birthdays do have that weird power to make people either reflect on life and/or impulsively do stuff. She was no doubt touched by his kind gesture and when he asked if he could spend the night with her, she was probably hit by a strong sense of déjà vu and thought about lost opportunities and figured, "heck, why not? carpe diem". I think she was ready to let it go as a one nightstand---which is why she was so embarrassed, thinking that it was reckless of her to have done it with a co-worker---but when Yuto said that he was serious about her, that changed everything.
Indeed. She's inexperience with relationships so she's easily taken by the sign of interest by any party. A lot of it comes from the logic of "beggars can't be choosers." Then there's the natural reaction from being courted the first time, feeling wanted for the first time.And yes, I think Hanae's interested in Yuto because he's pretty much the only person who's paid attention to her in a super long time. Older women tend to think that they only have a limited number of choices so when something or someone comes along, they often think, "this is it"
Well, so far there are only two adaptation that I like, Hotaru and NC. Jin, I hate how they changed the story. But anyways, I don't find this story all that interesting since it has been done a gazillion times before. If not for Ayase or Tamaki, I would have just dropped it and moved on. I felt like they chose to adapt it because Ayase would be right to play Hanae therefore it's the perfect drama for her return. I mean, what's so special about this story?There should be a law against doing adaptations of manga that are yet to be finished. It just throws viewers for a loop. But you know, maybe the screenwriters won't follow the manga to a tee and come up with its own ending. It's not unheard of, depends on what rights were secured in making the series. Here's to wishful thinking
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Actually I was never a die hard Tamaki/Ayase fan until this drama came along. I watched their dramas before but I wasn't in love with them until I came back to re-watch them after Kaisha. You know I've forgotten about Tamaki after a while but this re-kindled my love for him and my love for Tamaki/Ayase pair. And it all happened after ep 1. How strange was that.kitty10 wrote:Hideaki_Ito: Wow, you're a diehard Tamaki-Ayase fan! I didn't know their friendship goes way back, but that'd explain why Tamaki and Ayase keep getting projects together. Now I really need to hunt down River of First Love and Akai Unmei!
I prefer him being dorky and get full screen time than being sexy and having a few minutes of screen time. Whatever the case may be, a couple minutes of Yu or Yu/Hanae is killing me inside. This is cruel.Well, don't feel sad yet. The manga is not finished, so it may be that Hanae won't end up with Yuto (not that it means she'll end up with Yu). The dorama seems to be deviating a fair bit from the manga, so maybe it will surprise us, in a good way hopefully, concerning this love triangle. I do hope whatever it is, Yu remains awesome all the way till the end, Tamaki deserves at least that for being so sexy in this!
She's playing hard to get. Maybe that's why he's interested in her. No woman has ever brushed him off I imagine.Ehhh, but Yu also paid attention to Hanae. Why didn't she respond to him instead of giving him the brush-off? I get that she doesn't know how to deal with good-looking men like Yu, but c'mon, he was just trying to make conversation with her. I think she's really overreacting towards him, when all he's done is really to help her. It gets a bit annoying, to be honest (yes, I'm totally letting my bias for Tamaki Hiroshi show )
Not strange at all. I was in a similar situation - Tamaki was always on the back of my drama-watching radar, but it wasn't until Nodame Cantabile (and I was pretty late to it) that it exploded into full-on love within the first five minutes. Then in his first couple of scenes with Ueno Juri, I was completely sold on their chemistry - this was not even halfway through the first episode!.Hideaki_Ito wrote:Actually I was never a die hard Tamaki/Ayase fan until this drama came along. I watched their dramas before but I wasn't in love with them until I came back to re-watch them after Kaisha. You know I've forgotten about Tamaki after a while but this re-kindled my love for him and my love for Tamaki/Ayase pair. And it all happened after ep 1. How strange was that.
Even if they don't get too much screentime together, Tamaki and Ayase's chemistry trumps that of the lacklustre one between her and the boy.
LOL. I actually dunno about that. I'd totally love more Tamaki screen time, but I also want him to be hot and sexy at the same time. He's done a fair number of dorky, silly, unassuming, almost loser-type roles (Top Caster Shikaotoko, Kekkon Shinai etc), which was why Chiaki was a breath of fresh air because he could be a real ass. But even Chiaki was a study geek. So I actually like Tamaki being suave and confident because he can totally turn on the charm and he's really working that suit!Hideaki_Ito wrote:I prefer him being dorky and get full screen time than being sexy and having a few minutes of screen time. Whatever the case may be, a couple minutes of Yu or Yu/Hanae is killing me inside. This is cruel.
Tonight, we'll have this!
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haha, I think most would feel that way. Hey, are you a veteran member from spcnet? You remind me of a member there.kitty10 wrote: Not strange at all. I was in a similar situation - Tamaki was always on the back of my drama-watching radar, but it wasn't until Nodame Cantabile (and I was pretty late to it) that it exploded into full-on love within the first five minutes. Then in his first couple of scenes with Ueno Juri, I was completely sold on their chemistry - this was not even halfway through the first episode!.
T'is true. I liked the scene when he came and sat opposite of her in the noodle place then at the party, they had the back and forth. So short yet so secshy.Even if they don't get too much screentime together, Tamaki and Ayase's chemistry trumps that of the lacklustre one between her and the boy.
You already watched that? That looks secshy but don't tell it lasts like 1 minute. You're completely right about suave and confident Tamaki. This is the first time I saw him like this and seriously I cracked up when he appeared because I didn't expect him to have the secshy image. But he was convincing and so I fell. That's why I feel that it's such a waste of sechiness when he only shows up 3 times 2-3 minutes each. Someone is conspiring against me I see.LOL. I actually dunno about that. I'd totally love more Tamaki screen time, but I also want him to be hot and sexy at the same time. He's done a fair number of dorky, silly, unassuming, almost loser-type roles (Top Caster Shikaotoko, Kekkon Shinai etc), which was why Chiaki was a breath of fresh air because he could be a real ass. But even Chiaki was a study geek. So I actually like Tamaki being suave and confident because he can totally turn on the charm and he's really working that suit!
Tonight, we'll have this!
Really? Who? Yes, I am a member there, but don't really visit often these days.Hideaki_Ito wrote:haha, I think most would feel that way. Hey, are you a veteran member from spcnet? You remind me of a member there.
LOL. No, I haven't seen ep 3, that pic is from the preview of ep 3 that came at the end of ep 2. Tamaki was bowling there and he looked hot! And in a white shirt too! Brought back some Chiaki memories and plenty of doki doki. If there is a pool scene somewhere down the road, that'd be totally awesome I totally loved the one in Love Shuffle where Kei kicked everyone's asses.Hideaki_Ito wrote:You already watched that? That looks secshy but don't tell it lasts like 1 minute. You're completely right about suave and confident Tamaki. This is the first time I saw him like this and seriously I cracked up when he appeared because I didn't expect him to have the secshy image. But he was convincing and so I fell. That's why I feel that it's such a waste of sechiness when he only shows up 3 times 2-3 minutes each. Someone is conspiring against me I see.
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I was there many many years ago. I had lots of fun with jade during the NC craze. Haven't been there for a long while. I'm talking about a member with the name start with a "j" and end with "y".kitty10 wrote: Really? Who? Yes, I am a member there, but don't really visit often these days.
Ah, the bowling scene. I was thinking of a bar scene. Love shuffle I didn't watch. I'm kind of specific on which girl I want Tamaki to co-star with. He's hot so I want a hot enough girl for him.LOL. No, I haven't seen ep 3, that pic is from the preview of ep 3 that came at the end of ep 2. Tamaki was bowling there and he looked hot! And in a white shirt too! Brought back some Chiaki memories and plenty of doki doki. If there is a pool scene somewhere down the road, that'd be totally awesome I totally loved the one in Love Shuffle where Kei kicked everyone's asses.
That would sound like me, yes I wonder what gave it away? I still visit Jade's blog regularly for J-drama news.Hideaki_Ito wrote:I was there many many years ago. I had lots of fun with jade during the NC craze. Haven't been there for a long while. I'm talking about a member with the name start with a "j" and end with "y".
I totally recommend Love Shuffle if you haven't seen it! Pretty awesome on the whole, and Karina's character is pretty kick-ass. You'll love all the puns, the pyjama parties and the great friendships!
Just finished episode 3 and still really liking the drama. Tamaki Hiroshi's getting a bit more screentime this episode, so I'm happy! Him in a white shirt is sooooo hot, not to mention he looks like a pretty good bowler
Things I enjoyed from this ep:
Next episode should prove interesting!
Meanwhile, sexy Tamaki:
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Hi everyone! I just wanted to share my opinion so far.
After 3 episodes I consider it's a wonderful dorama. In spite of all the constant references and similarities to Hotaru no Hikari (intentional or not as the case may be), I find it to be an entertaining plot with complex characters played by talented actors.
It's just worth watching. It has funny moments and a modest dose of melodrama for those who like it.
Personally I enjoy the love triangle because it's so unusual and I'm sure people can feel identified in either character since the age difference is very large (from 20 to 30 to 40).
Thank you for posting those pictures. Since I'm a guy I won't be saying Tamaki is hot but I do have to admit I'd like to look like him when I am his age.
Read you around!
After 3 episodes I consider it's a wonderful dorama. In spite of all the constant references and similarities to Hotaru no Hikari (intentional or not as the case may be), I find it to be an entertaining plot with complex characters played by talented actors.
It's just worth watching. It has funny moments and a modest dose of melodrama for those who like it.
Personally I enjoy the love triangle because it's so unusual and I'm sure people can feel identified in either character since the age difference is very large (from 20 to 30 to 40).
Thank you for posting those pictures. Since I'm a guy I won't be saying Tamaki is hot but I do have to admit I'd like to look like him when I am his age.
Read you around!
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Haha, I never talked to you in spcnet but I know your name for a while and I also saw your name at jade's blog. I was like "ah, so she got into jdrama now" because I remember you didn't care for jdrama before. Anyways.kitty10 wrote: That would sound like me, yes I wonder what gave it away? I still visit Jade's blog regularly for J-drama news.
Me no like Karina. I'm kind of picky on the actress too. Somehow, I have to like both the actor and actress to enjoy the drama.I totally recommend Love Shuffle if you haven't seen it! Pretty awesome on the whole, and Karina's character is pretty kick-ass. You'll love all the puns, the pyjama parties and the great friendships!
Thanks for the secshy Tamaki. What can I say after ep 3. Mou ii ya, tsukareta. Koi ga maroboshi desu, broken my hearto. I'm not feeling this at all because I can't stand looking at college boy getting the girl. It's plucking my nerve so now I'm moving this drama into skimming stage. I don't even look forward to the next ep and may drop this soon. (It's not like there are other dramas out there that interest me neither.)Just finished episode 3 and still really liking the drama. Tamaki Hiroshi's getting a bit more screentime this episode, so I'm happy! Him in a white shirt is sooooo hot, not to mention he looks like a pretty good bowler
Things I enjoyed from this ep:Hitomi is really getting on my nerves. Really. I am just itching to slap her to Timbuctoo. I don't understand why Yu even bothers to be nice to her, but I guess he's a gentleman like that. Yuto continues to be bland as heck, I really don't understand what Hanae sees in him.
Next episode should prove interesting!
Meanwhile, sexy Tamaki:
Didn't like Karina before but she wasn't so bad in Love Shuffle. I implore you to reconsider.Hideaki_Ito wrote:Me no like Karina. I'm kind of picky on the actress too. Somehow, I have to like both the actor and actress to enjoy the drama.
What can I say after ep 3. Mou ii ya, tsukareta. Koi ga maroboshi desu, broken my hearto. I'm not feeling this at all because I can't stand looking at college boy getting the girl. It's plucking my nerve so now I'm moving this drama into skimming stage. I don't even look forward to the next ep and may drop this soon. (It's not like there are other dramas out there that interest me neither.)
Hahaha, same here. Might watch it over one weekend once it's finished. I'm not quite sure it's possible to get a dramatic turnaround for our man-bet. It could end up like the kdrama My Sweet Seoul where the lead's relationship with the two men is split evenly with the first half focusing on the young man and the second half attributed to the mature one---that's the best case scenario (and again, wishful thinking on my part). But alas, the spectre of Last Cinderalla still haunts me to this day. I wouldn't mind it so much if the Yuto character was a bit more engaging... unfortunately, that isn't so. Don't even want to think about where this show is going.
Awww guys Do still drop by from time to time. Do you want me to do summaries of the episodes so we can still discuss? The Chinese subs seem to come out faster, so I can get a summary up by the weekend (although I don't know how many of you can read Chinese as well?). I'll post some pics too so we can still get some smexy Tamaki here and there. Lemme know what I can do to keep the discussion going
Hideaki_Ito: Well, I've always liked J-dramas. I grew up on HK dramas, so that's like my comfort food, but have been a Fujiki Naohito fan for yonks, haha, and have a super soft spot for Tamaki as well. Just not as intense as Jade, and had a brief fling with kdramas but that's over and back on the J-drama train. And I agree Karina was decent in Love Shuffle, do watch it!
zooey: You know, I wish the drama's more like Hotaru, but it's not. Sigh. I was watching Ayase last night in Shikaotoko and really liked her character there, she was so lively. I still do like her Hanae, but a little spunk goes a long way.
Hideaki_Ito: Well, I've always liked J-dramas. I grew up on HK dramas, so that's like my comfort food, but have been a Fujiki Naohito fan for yonks, haha, and have a super soft spot for Tamaki as well. Just not as intense as Jade, and had a brief fling with kdramas but that's over and back on the J-drama train. And I agree Karina was decent in Love Shuffle, do watch it!
zooey: You know, I wish the drama's more like Hotaru, but it's not. Sigh. I was watching Ayase last night in Shikaotoko and really liked her character there, she was so lively. I still do like her Hanae, but a little spunk goes a long way.
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zooey wrote: Didn't like Karina before but she wasn't so bad in Love Shuffle. I implore you to reconsider.
How I feel about Karina is like how I feel about Yuto of this drama.
I'm already beginning to see this as Last Cinderella with different cast. I'm not sure why Tamaki took the role. I hate it when they treat him like a decoration piece here.Hahaha, same here. Might watch it over one weekend once it's finished. I'm not quite sure it's possible to get a dramatic turnaround for our man-bet. It could end up like the kdrama My Sweet Seoul where the lead's relationship with the two men is split evenly with the first half focusing on the young man and the second half attributed to the mature one---that's the best case scenario (and again, wishful thinking on my part). But alas, the spectre of Last Cinderalla still haunts me to this day. I wouldn't mind it so much if the Yuto character was a bit more engaging... unfortunately, that isn't so. Don't even want to think about where this show is going.
kitty10 wrote: Hideaki_Ito: Well, I've always liked J-dramas. I grew up on HK dramas, so that's like my comfort food, but have been a Fujiki Naohito fan for yonks, haha, and have a super soft spot for Tamaki as well. Just not as intense as Jade, and had a brief fling with kdramas but that's over and back on the J-drama train. And I agree Karina was decent in Love Shuffle, do watch it!
Hey, I started watching HK dramas first as well. In fact, I watched more HK dramas than any other dramas. It's just that the golden 80s of TVB has come and gone. But I do re-watch some old stuff once in a while (like Adam Cheng's Final Verdict or Tony Leung's Grand Canal or even Lam Ching Ying's Vampire Expert.) I started watching HK dramas a decade before JP dramas and the first JP drama I watched was "Yasha" starring Hideaki Ito (reason for the nick. I've forgotten about him since though.) I also do watch TWdrama, Kdrama, Thai, and others. I find old HK dramas to be more realistic and comfortable. Script and story were good (and I especially like Final Verdict. I love the summary done by the defense lawyer. So good.)
Jdramas are more different, short and sweet and at the same time refreshing and fun. The thing is the good ones can be really good and the bad ones can be really bad. I find that Jdramas are good with comedy and inspirational theme (like NC, Hotaru, Kekkon dekinai otoko).
I also watched quite a few old TW dramas. There is some nostalgic quality about but I don't recall any favorite. Actually, there is one, "dream behind curtain." Script is poetic in a cheesy way but I like it. I also like the new idol TW dramas as they're so light and fluffy. There are some decent ones (like My Queen and Office Girls.)
I didn't get into the Kdrama craze. Kdramas to me are like modernized derivatives from old weepy TW dramas which I find myself fast forwarding most of them. But the medical historical stuff is good (like DJG and Hur Jun). Thai dramas are like derivatives from Kdramas but even more unrealistic and over the top in a bad cheesy way. Sometimes they're just so cheesy I had to laugh but they're still enjoyable to watch due to the eye candies. ;)
For now, this drama is still in skimming stage to I still watch portions of it.
Mmm... just finished episode 4 and it confirms the drama is going in the one direction I loathe most - pushing Yu to Hitomi. This pisses me off completely.
Anyway, a summary of what transpired in ep 4:
Um... what the heck is with that last scene?! My poor Yu... I don't like what they're doing with him if Hitomi is the end game. Even though she has improved a smidgen, I still can't see Yu getting with her. And Hanae is kind of losing me a bit - if there was one thing Hitomi did right, it's to point out that Hanae's own ideas about love are really archaic (Meiji era, as Hitomi says).
I need some conflict, and preferably not of the kind brought about by Hanae's own 15th century ideas on love and relationships. This drama seriously needs some progress between Hanae and Yu...
Anyway, pix:
Anyway, a summary of what transpired in ep 4:
I need some conflict, and preferably not of the kind brought about by Hanae's own 15th century ideas on love and relationships. This drama seriously needs some progress between Hanae and Yu...
Anyway, pix:
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Finally mustered up enough interest to watch episode 3. I still think the show's giving us an incomplete picture since we only see things from the point of view of Hanae when it comes to the relationship.
So far, I've gathered that Yuto is kind and gentle, what's more he just gave a girl he's been seeing for a few weeks a key to his apartment even though: (1) they're not living together (so I guess it's an open invite for more sleepovers); and (2) he hasn't thought that far ahead about marriage or where this relationship is going, being a university student. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yu is right, it might be all good for now but what about the future? Or is this one of those just-live-for-the-moment scenarios which is in total contrast to Hitomi's perspective on marriage?
@ kitty10 - Thanks for the recap for episode 4. Since Yuto has met the parents, I guess that gives their relationship a semblance of legitimacy. Although, if I were Hanae's dad, I'd object it, too, thinking my spinster daughter has gone all crazy-lovestruck.
That being said, I wonder when they'll break the news to their officemates....
Still don't know what they plan on doing with Yu's character at this point. He's sadly underutilized as a would-be love interest, he hasn't even made a dent. So it's hardly a love triangle. He might indeed be pushed off to Hitomi since he's not making any progress with Hanae. Also, what other reason could there be to cast actors like Tamaki Hiroshi and Naka Riisa in bit parts if they're not going to get together? Hahaha, perish the thought.
So far, I've gathered that Yuto is kind and gentle, what's more he just gave a girl he's been seeing for a few weeks a key to his apartment even though: (1) they're not living together (so I guess it's an open invite for more sleepovers); and (2) he hasn't thought that far ahead about marriage or where this relationship is going, being a university student. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yu is right, it might be all good for now but what about the future? Or is this one of those just-live-for-the-moment scenarios which is in total contrast to Hitomi's perspective on marriage?
@ kitty10 - Thanks for the recap for episode 4. Since Yuto has met the parents, I guess that gives their relationship a semblance of legitimacy. Although, if I were Hanae's dad, I'd object it, too, thinking my spinster daughter has gone all crazy-lovestruck.
That being said, I wonder when they'll break the news to their officemates....
Still don't know what they plan on doing with Yu's character at this point. He's sadly underutilized as a would-be love interest, he hasn't even made a dent. So it's hardly a love triangle. He might indeed be pushed off to Hitomi since he's not making any progress with Hanae. Also, what other reason could there be to cast actors like Tamaki Hiroshi and Naka Riisa in bit parts if they're not going to get together? Hahaha, perish the thought.
Funny thing is, at the start of ep 4, Hanae says it's not even 2 weeks since she started dating Yuto. Which makes me think Yuto is really jumping the gun here, he barely knows her and already he is giving her a key to his place.zooey wrote:So far, I've gathered that Yuto is kind and gentle, what's more he just gave a girl he's been seeing for a few weeks a key to his apartment even though: (1) they're not living together (so I guess it's an open invite for more sleepovers); and (2) he hasn't thought that far ahead about marriage or where this relationship is going, being a university student. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yu is right, it might be all good for now but what about the future? Or is this one of those just-live-for-the-moment scenarios which is in total contrast to Hitomi's perspective on marriage?
I didn't list out everything in the parents meeting (dad said a fair bit more), but I think it's worth watching ep 4 for the parents. And there's the bit where Hanae is about to rush off after Yuto, she encounters her dad in the hallway and he demands to know what the heck she's doing when she's already 30 years old. Hanae can't even muster a response except to look upset. I found that very telling.
Eventually, her parents (more of dad) relented because dad felt he had not done right by Hanae by having raised her too strictly and she had not once complained, so mom had asked him to be a bit more understanding. I really felt for the parents in this ep, and I don't often like parental units in dramas because they tend to get hysterical. But this was also the episode where Hanae is beginning to lose me and it's through no fault of Ayase Haruka. I read comments somewhere that said we should be respecting Hanae's choice of Yuto even if we the audience prefer Yu (and that Yu doesn't really understand Hanae all that well), which I agree with to some extent. But the problem is now that I do not understand either what Hanae sees in Yuto - is it just cuz he's kind and gentle, and doesn't do much except to beam at her and cook breakfast for her? I don't know if I'm missing something in the narrative. Granted, Yu probably is a bit overwhelming for Hanae right now, but I find her behaviour towards him puzzling and illogical.
I'm not very happy with what they're doing to Tamaki Hiroshi and Yu. At this point I'm beginning to think he's doing this drama only because of his friendship with Ayase Haruka. Although actors should do roles to gain experience and not for the size of it, a drama also needs to know how to utilise its actors, as you've pointed out. Tamaki is criminally underused and we know he can do so much more. I hope episode 5 will shed more light on what is going on with Yu.zooey wrote:Still don't know what they plan on doing with Yu's character at this point. He's sadly underutilized as a would-be love interest, he hasn't even made a dent. So it's hardly a love triangle. He might indeed be pushed off to Hitomi since he's not making any progress with Hanae. Also, what other reason could there be to cast actors like Tamaki Hiroshi and Naka Riisa in bit parts if they're not going to get together? Hahaha, perish the thought.
I haven't seen Naka Riisa in anything, so this first introduction to her is not a very good one. But she seems like a passable actress - certainly, she's emoting more than Fukushi Sota and in her quieter beats (during the dinner with Yu), she's actually decent. But unless they vastly improve Hitomi, I still loathe the idea of pairing her with Yu. He is too awesome to need a consolation chick.
Mmm... episode 5 picks up a little! There's a lovely segment of Yu and Hanae that should definitely be watched!
Summary of episode 5 (I've gone into a bit of detail):
Fwah... I am quite happy with this episode because it's got such an adorable segment of Yu and Hanae! It's so great to see Yu back to his smiley self, all relaxed and bantering with Hanae again. I love their dynamic and feel they have got a bit of that old married couple vibe, love how he teases her and she can snap and gripe at him and give him the stink-eye. And Tamaki Hiroshi looks great in casual wear
As for Yuto... bleh. I kind of get where he's coming from, but
Anyway, some pix!
Summary of episode 5 (I've gone into a bit of detail):
As for Yuto... bleh. I kind of get where he's coming from, but
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I agree with you. I think Hanae is more relaxed and is more of herself when she is with Asao. I begin to sense some problem in her relationship with Yuto, when she referred Yuto as God in Ep 5. That thought itself, put her in an unbalanced scale in the r/s. Well of course I can't blame Hanae because she hasn't had a lot of love experience. At the age of 30, it is really an embarrassing age and to have someone show love interest in her, I guess it's normal for her to be blinded by love. And it doesn't help that I still can't really see the seriousness of Yuto in this relationship. He doesn't reply her message when they quarrelled. He is the one who asked to cool down. I am starting to dislike him... That, I don't know to blame the actor, or the writer. I really hope there are more scenes showing his inner thoughts so that we can see from his perspective.Fwah... I am quite happy with this episode because it's got such an adorable segment of Yu and Hanae! It's so great to see Yu back to his smiley self, all relaxed and bantering with Hanae again. I love their dynamic and feel they have got a bit of that old married couple vibe, love how he teases her and she can snap and gripe at him and give him the stink-eye. And Tamaki Hiroshi looks great in casual wear
As for Yuto... bleh. I kind of get where he's coming from, but
And oh, if you have read the manga, you will know that
Well, I think it's both the writing and the actor, but probably more of the actor in this case. Fukushi Sota is really one-note and I don't like his acting or Yuto. I feel he hasn't really bothered to get to know Hanae and you're right, he doesn't take the initiative to patch things up with her when they quarrel.akiyu wrote:I agree with you. I think Hanae is more relaxed and is more of herself when she is with Asao. I begin to sense some problem in her relationship with Yuto, when she referred Yuto as God in Ep 5. That thought itself, put her in an unbalanced scale in the r/s. Well of course I can't blame Hanae because she hasn't had a lot of love experience. At the age of 30, it is really an embarrassing age and to have someone show love interest in her, I guess it's normal for her to be blinded by love. And it doesn't help that I still can't really see the seriousness of Yuto in this relationship. He doesn't reply her message when they quarrelled. He is the one who asked to cool down. I am starting to dislike him... That, I don't know to blame the actor, or the writer. I really hope there are more scenes showing his inner thoughts so that we can see from his perspective.
Noooooooooo!!! Why must Yu do that? I knew there was something a bit off about that scene. Will things improve? I wonder if the drama will change that, but I guess not. I just feel it's not in Yu's character to do something like that, and I don't like that he did it. Bah, it's just not fair that you put Tamaki Hiroshi in the role and not have him end up with the girl!akiyu wrote:And oh, if you have read the manga, you will know that
Edit: I went to check out the manga. Poor Yu, he didn't really mean any harm, I don't think Hanae should be that upset with him. And somehow, Yuto and Hanae were sweeter in the manga, but Yu in the drama is much better though.
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Yes, I actually like manga Yuto better. At least he appears to care more about Hanae than portrayed in the drama. I guess it all really has to do with the poor acting. :/Edit: I went to check out the manga. Poor Yu, he didn't really mean any harm, I don't think Hanae should be that upset with him. And somehow, Yuto and Hanae were sweeter in the manga, but Yu in the drama is much better though.
Well, good thing is, the writer hasn't been following closely to the manga, and in some scenes he did write better than the manga itself. So fingers crossing that Asao will get to have better chances in the drama! [/quote]
You're welcome! I didn't summarise everything (left out the blah ones like Hitomi), but let me know if you think it should be more detailed.dramafan9102 wrote:@kitty10 Thank you for summarizing Episode 4-5. My Japanese isn't good enough yet to understand everything but reading your summaries before watching the RAWs have been very helpful!!
Yes, I hope the drama takes the opportunity to develop Yu more, and give Tamaki more screentime! Yu is so much more interesting Yuto at this point, really want to see more of him. I doubt Yu and Hanae will be end game, though their scenes in ep 5 were so awesome.akiyu wrote:Yes, I actually like manga Yuto better. At least he appears to care more about Hanae than portrayed in the drama. I guess it all really has to do with the poor acting. :/
Well, good thing is, the writer hasn't been following closely to the manga, and in some scenes he did write better than the manga itself. So fingers crossing that Asao will get to have better chances in the drama!
And it seems manga Hanae is less uptight than in the drama?
Yu is so awesome! I'm glad the drama kept him this way. Screentime is woefully short as usual, but Tamaki Hiroshi is just so yummy as Yu
Here's a summary of ep 6:
Well, well. I didn't expect this. Yu really only
Couple of pics:
Here's a summary of ep 6:
Well, well. I didn't expect this. Yu really only
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Okay, keeping the summary for Ep 7 fairly short, since the best thing about the drama, Tamaki Hiroshi's Yu, continues to have so little screentime and everyone else is just getting boring. There are still funny bits, but I find my attention straying when Tamaki is not on screen.
Finally Yuto grows a smidgen of brains, but again that is thanks to Yu's reminder. Seriously, Yu should start charging for his advice.
Couple of pix:
Couple of pix:
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man how much i love tamaki in this even i'm a man 100% man i fall in love with him
how can hanae still with that kid story just so stupid and it drag every ep just about
how kid yuuto be and how blind hanae
if yuuto a girl is sure cute for girl that alway want you all the time
but god damn it he a man 21 years old not middile school kid i just cant stand
how this drama alway carry on for this kid it so unreal how can woman
still love guy who it just a kid if he 21 year sold but mature that make sense but
he so immature that even hirono-chan it feel more mature than him
hanae sury blind in love i don't think she really love him that much lately she just
want to have boyfriend that all an try everything not to lose him it like take care for
some host
and i do sub this show in my country only thing that can keep me go on is tamaki
he just beat all cool guy in all drama this year only Yutaka that came close
i hope it just end at this ep or don't be 11 or 12 ep i just feel like i can't sub this stupid
couple anymore or give real great woman for tamaki to show hanae that how dump she is.
sry for my eng
how can hanae still with that kid story just so stupid and it drag every ep just about
how kid yuuto be and how blind hanae
if yuuto a girl is sure cute for girl that alway want you all the time
but god damn it he a man 21 years old not middile school kid i just cant stand
how this drama alway carry on for this kid it so unreal how can woman
still love guy who it just a kid if he 21 year sold but mature that make sense but
he so immature that even hirono-chan it feel more mature than him
hanae sury blind in love i don't think she really love him that much lately she just
want to have boyfriend that all an try everything not to lose him it like take care for
some host
and i do sub this show in my country only thing that can keep me go on is tamaki
he just beat all cool guy in all drama this year only Yutaka that came close
i hope it just end at this ep or don't be 11 or 12 ep i just feel like i can't sub this stupid
couple anymore or give real great woman for tamaki to show hanae that how dump she is.
sry for my eng
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GaussAlgorithmus wrote: After a promising start, this drama nosedived HARD. It's Shitsuren Chocolatier all over again! I really hope, that the show will make a comeback
Awww, I hated Shitsuren Chocolatier with a fire of a thousand suns. I dropped this series after episode 3 but couldn't resist checking in on this thread to see if there's any progress in it. There's just something so juvenile about Hanae and Yuto's relationship which really tried my patience. I laughed so hard reading your comment about the two of them seeing each other at the office everyday even if they decided to take a break.
I still hope that the show will have an acceptable ending, however it looks and sounds bleak. Might give it another shot once the subs are complete depending on how well the feedback is from the viewers who followed it weekly.
The following pattern has been repeating from ep 2:
- Hanae and Yuto run into problems
- Hanae panics and decides to give up/doesn't know what to do, while Yuto mopes/sulks
- Yu offers advice to Hanae
- Hanae takes initiative to patch up with Yuto
Episode 7 had a slight change in that Yu now gives Yuto advice, which Yuto doesn't like but reluctantly sees the logic of, and then fixes the problem. But overall it still follows the same pattern. Which is really tiring.
zooey is right about how juvenile Hanae's relationship with Yuto is, which is why I no longer feel as strongly that she is the right woman for Yu. He is definitely the right man for her, but she needs a strong dose of growing up. I guess Yu sees that, which is why he's just withdrawn to giving advice instead of pursuing her. He has bigger things to deal with. I dislike how Hanae almost always has to apologise, and she does it as though she's committed a grave sin.
Also, Yuto is really annoying. His manga counterpart seemed nicer and more affectionate, but drama Yuto is stunted by both the writing and the acting. Fukushi Sota needs acting classes, stat.
- Hanae and Yuto run into problems
- Hanae panics and decides to give up/doesn't know what to do, while Yuto mopes/sulks
- Yu offers advice to Hanae
- Hanae takes initiative to patch up with Yuto
Episode 7 had a slight change in that Yu now gives Yuto advice, which Yuto doesn't like but reluctantly sees the logic of, and then fixes the problem. But overall it still follows the same pattern. Which is really tiring.
zooey is right about how juvenile Hanae's relationship with Yuto is, which is why I no longer feel as strongly that she is the right woman for Yu. He is definitely the right man for her, but she needs a strong dose of growing up. I guess Yu sees that, which is why he's just withdrawn to giving advice instead of pursuing her. He has bigger things to deal with. I dislike how Hanae almost always has to apologise, and she does it as though she's committed a grave sin.
Also, Yuto is really annoying. His manga counterpart seemed nicer and more affectionate, but drama Yuto is stunted by both the writing and the acting. Fukushi Sota needs acting classes, stat.
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I like it a lot too. In spite of a few bad things I find it really entertaining. (Althought I agree the last 2 episodes were almost like )ladyofshalott wrote:Thank you for the recaps
I love this drama
I also like the secondary characters. Her collegues are nice ( I hated the collegues in Anego)
I wouldn't mind Hitomi ending up with Yu. She has a goal, she wants a successful man, but she is not using unethical means to get him.
Thanks for that! That kind of reinforces how I feel about Yu, that he doesn't seem the kind to let things like that tie him down. But yes, context is important, I hope the story won't make Yu do something stupid... As for Hanae and Yuto, I'd wondered when it'd come since it was already 7 episodes in, so I'm glad it happened after all. Judging from the preview, the reaction wasn't too badzweihander11 wrote:
Not sure if things will improve, doubt it. I wonder how many episodes this drama will have, the wiki sites don't seem to say. And I wonder if they're planning a season 2 since the manga isn't finished and the drama looks to be heading towards an open ending...
Okay, here we go, episode 8 summary:
Um... wtf? Sorry, I can't understand this leap in logic. All episode long, Yuto has
Seriously, only Ayase Haruka is selling this relationship, but even that is wearing thin. The writing for Yuto is odd and maybe a better actor might have been able to make it more believable, but Fukushi Sota just makes Yuto really...
As for Yu and Hanae, finally some miniscule movement, but I don't think it'll last. Oh well, it's not like they're end game anyway.
As for Yu and Hanae, finally some miniscule movement, but I don't think it'll last. Oh well, it's not like they're end game anyway.
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Oh man! can this show be more ridiculous ?
story just random jump in the way of yuuto and i just can't see any good
in that kind of story sure i'm not seek reality in drama but atleast dont
make it so random ridiculous like this
well this show still safe for me cuz tamaki story and hitomi really hit me
i dont know they will and up together or not but they story feel really good
it feel like a drama not mannga well Hanae love story not even fit in manga if you ask me
and rating really sink by the way i still look forward this show
cuz tamaki story really good[/spoiler]
story just random jump in the way of yuuto and i just can't see any good
in that kind of story sure i'm not seek reality in drama but atleast dont
make it so random ridiculous like this
well this show still safe for me cuz tamaki story and hitomi really hit me
i dont know they will and up together or not but they story feel really good
it feel like a drama not mannga well Hanae love story not even fit in manga if you ask me
cuz tamaki story really good[/spoiler]
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