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Postby jojodellis » Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:08 am

phatster wrote:I was never a fan of torrent. It takes forever for just 1 episode, if there are seeders it mights take 30-45 mins for 1 episode which is usually 200mb. If there's no seeder wow. 1 hour. LOL. As for ddl it only takes 5 mins. For those that complained cant access ddl or too much advertisements, i suggest you buy an account dont be cheap. I mean i respect the Mod's decision. I guess we just got to go somewhere else to get the ddl link. Just that this is my first stop b4 going else where if i cant find the link here. Torrent died because it takes forever to finish dl., sometime for older series it just get stuck at 92% for days because there are no seeder. Why use an old technology when there are new. why buy a new computer when your old computer still running? Because its much faster! Now korean drama are usually 700mb. Imagine how long that would take for torrent. 2-3 hours? Well for ddl it only takes 15-20 mins for megaupload. Greatly appreciated and thanksful for the uploader like rockk, verifone and many others. You guys saved me like $100+ per month for membership at the chinese video store. I was still paying it till ddl came out. LOL.. thats how much i hate torrent!!

Oh noes, not 60 whole minutes for a download!

*world crashes down*

it's not about being cheap - I think it's silly to pay for something I can have for free in a hour or so. No big deal to me; I have lots of other things to keep me occupied.

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Postby cadburyho » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:55 am

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cadburyho wrote:Foremost, I must say that it comes as a shock that DDL will be taken out with effect from March 2009. Bit Torrent is really problematic especially if we are downloading through a Server/Router. Not many of us are proficient with Bit Torrent. Sendspace and Megaupload have been instrumental and extremely easy to use. With these taken away, how are we going to download and have our daily dose of TVB drama ?

By using one of the other dozens of sites that do have DDLs for TVB shows?

I am sure a lot of readers will agree with me, D-Addict is more user friendly than other sites.
I may not have the statistics, but I am pretty sure that many TVB fans are downloading from D-Addict using non-torrent. Perhaps you can conduct a poll to determine the truth.You have a really great site, well established with a good market share.. It is mind bogging why you are driving away non-torrent downloaders from your site due to some irresponsible acts conducted by certain individuals. Would it not be better to create a download section for non-torrent downloaders and keep your market share? I will definitely miss this site if there are no DDL.

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Postby abcd99 » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:00 pm

As an uploader of many Chinese torrents, I understand that seeding a Chinese torrent can be both daunting and disappointing due to many leechers. Chinese torrents are not like Japanese or Korean torrents, where generous seeders seem to be aplenty. The statistics that I gathered for my own torrents is as follows. 50% of those who have finished downloading the torrent will stop immediately after finished downloading and 95% will stop within 24 hours. And that statistics is for English subbed torrents. For non-English subbed torrents or less popular English-subbed torrents, the statistics is even worse: 95% of the leechers are hit-and-runners. Yet, some that actually seed can be very reliable and can seed for an extended period of time. However, those long time seeders are also long-standing members of D-A who also participated in SotMs.

Nevertheless, this is still not a valid excuse for a DDL. DDLs are notoriously unreliable due to frequent and seemingly random deletion. I've been flooded with DDL requests in the past which I rightfully ignore. I think DDL will only encourage leeching, not sharing--which is the spirit of D-Addicts. Also, lately with profiteering moves of many DDL uploaders with some of which are blatantly stealing links, I see DDLs as unethical.

This is also why I had proposed to do a generous ratio-based scheme: to encourage sharing and discourage hit-and-run. But this proposal has been shot down for so many times. I think Ruro and other mods are biased towards Japanese / Korean drama torrents and claimed that such scheme is unnecessary. To be honest, this move discouraged me from sharing more.

I was tempted to do profiteering on DDL uploads, but I decided not to since it discourages sharing. I thought at least I got paid for my DDL uploads and did away with chronic leeching problems. Firstly, it's a lot of work due to reuploading deleted movies. Secondly, I'm not sure that the profiting URL forwarders will pay me and perform their work ethically.

My suspicion turned out to be correct. Some of the URL forwarders are actually spreading malwares. This is not a good route for anyone in D-A.

But the question that still demands an answer is: How can we encourage more sharing in Chinese dramas in the face of chronic leeching disease? If mods strongly believe that ratio-based torrent is not an answer, then what else?

I love sharing my stuff here in D-A. I have A LOT of English-subbed (and raw) Wuxia drama that is not available any torrent sites. But I'm reluctant to do so due to leechers. Right now I have really fat bandwidth so I can foot the seeding for a while. But with my planning to find a new job and possibly relocate this year, I'm not so sure whether I can do the same later.

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Postby kevkaho » Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:50 pm

groink wrote:Maybe I need a re-fresher here....

Exactly why is BitTorrent such a major problem among the Chinese-oriented shows? It doesn't seem to be a problem among Japanese and Korean shows. I know that in China and Hong Kong, DDL is popular because it appears that bandwidth, the governments and the people who operate the ISPs in these areas are a problem.

But, remember now that D-Addicts is geared towards English-speaking people outside of Eastern Asia, and therefore the members should not be having as much trouble with BT. People who are living in China and Hong Kong shouldn't even be using D-Addicts - they should be using something within their own domain such as a web site with a dot-cn or dot-hk domain name. It is like an American trying to find episodes of Desperate Housewives on a web site in Zimbabwe.

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ya precisely the govt of these 2 places are cracking down on illegal dlls... tat is why ppl resort to use DDLs to get their daily fix of chinese drama... i have seen chinese websites tat specialises in these kind of shows... and they are using torrents too.. example of one site will be BTChina... the seeds there are ok and the torrents dun run dead tat fast... they even have foreign shows like 24, Prison Break or Desperate Housewives on torrents.. so i agree tat they show be visiting these sites and not DA...

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Postby phatster » Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:46 pm

LOL. Yup its not about being CHEAP. But about him being cheap yes.First he complaining about something that doesnt work and he's getting it for free and using the service for free. If he doesnt then noone cares noone knows. Second He's also requesting the torrent files to be in avi or divx.
Third the world doesnt crash down cos i'm using torrent. it just slow my internet down. I dont have the patient to wait for webpages to be open. And yes i do set my upload limit and yes i have a decent internet connection. And yes i do care about other people in the house or at my work place are at the same time using the internet. If i can have it done in 5 mins why not. If i need to pay for a membership to get it done in 5 mins why not. I wouldnt call anyone cheap if they dont want to pay for something they can get it for free. No way! Nada! But i would sure call someone cheap if they complaint about it when its free!

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Postby jojodellis » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:02 pm

phatster wrote:LOL. Yup its not about being CHEAP. But about him being cheap yes.First he complaining about something that doesnt work and he's getting it for free and using the service for free. If he doesnt then noone cares noone knows. Second He's also requesting the torrent files to be in avi or divx.
Third the world doesnt crash down cos i'm using torrent. it just slow my internet down. I dont have the patient to wait for webpages to be open. And yes i do set my upload limit and yes i have a decent internet connection. And yes i do care about other people in the house or at my work place are at the same time using the internet. If i can have it done in 5 mins why not. If i need to pay for a membership to get it done in 5 mins why not. I wouldnt call anyone cheap if they dont want to pay for something they can get it for free. No way! Nada! But i would sure call someone cheap if they complaint about it when its free!

Well, there ya go. I have a really, really fast connection and my internet is not slowed down at all. I understand why some would choose to pay though - bottom line - it's your money. My family is just my husband and me and we both work, so we're both usually out of the house while the downloads are going.

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Postby kevkaho » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:17 pm

erm i think this issue is at the very end of his argument his main point is tat BT slows down his internet speed... ok done deal with tat... so just stick to ur own principles and pls stop saying distasteful things... and for the final time asking someone for a specific format for a torrent is nothing to be ashamed of and we are not complaining.. just tat the final decision lies with whoever is uploading the torrent.. and we respect tat uploader's decision... certain things must have a give and take attitude to it... it is just not rite for u to say a person is cheap just because he is asking for certain things.. wat makes you so sure tat the request will be granted??? unless u see such a thing happen... then call that person any names u like... but otherwise u should just stop this pointless banter... now it makes u look so bad... (think cheap)... when u see this how would u feel???? u will just continue to make ur point across to everyone here... i think really tat is enough..

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Postby jojodellis » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:28 pm

Was this part meant for me? I've not said anything distasteful at all. The meat of my post was - to each their own.

How is that distasteful?

To be clearer; it's not my money and none of my business what Phatster chooses to do with theirs.

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Postby kevkaho » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:34 pm

no i am not talking abt u jojodellis... it is all abt phatster... he is the one who is calling ppl cheap... yes i agree tat everyone should stick to their own principles.. however he has crossed over tat line of basic courtesy into being rude... i dun mean any malice to u and i am sorry if i make u misunderstand my intentions...

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Postby jojodellis » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:37 pm

It was my fault. I apologise for not reading more properly.

:)

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Postby kevkaho » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:43 pm

it is ok jojodellis... u dun have to say sorry... nice to have u here on DA too...

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Postby jojodellis » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:45 pm

Nice to be here!

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Postby kevkaho » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:52 pm

great this is a nice place where can we can exchange ideas or opinions abt dramas.. can i invite u to be my friend?? would u like to join the thread for Horikita Maki as well??

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Postby Ruroshin » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:30 am

abcd99 wrote:This is also why I had proposed to do a generous ratio-based scheme: to encourage sharing and discourage hit-and-run. But this proposal has been shot down for so many times. I think Ruro and other mods are biased towards Japanese / Korean drama torrents and claimed that such scheme is unnecessary. To be honest, this move discouraged me from sharing more.


Hey, I was raised on wuxia you know, practically learnt my native language watching viet dubbed wuxia :P

You've raised some valid points in your post abcd99, I really don't know why it is that the chinese torrents have so much more trouble than the j and k ones. Could it be because of the all chinese DDL that the torrent side has been neglected? Or just simply the make up of the chinese viewer demographic?

I've avoided ratio trackers for years because I don't want to make it harder for people to watch asian dramas and I thought if we can develope a sense of sharing community then it wouldn't be a problem. I guess this has succeeded to some extent with the j and k dramas but not the c.

I wonder if I should do an experiment and create another site based on ratio tracker just for the cdramas and see how they go. Might be a lot of work for nothing...hrm...I'll think on it. If you have any other good ideas let me know.

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Postby abcd99 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:05 pm

Ruro, thanks for your kind reply.

I think that ratio-based tracker only for c/hkdramas is not the answer. It requires lots of policing and it's not fool-proof. I think we need to give some kind of incentives for seeders, for starters. But I don't know what / how it is going to be implemented. I can think of some exclusive torrents for uploaders, but that may be not a good idea either. Maybe mods can join in and discuss about it.

Also, regarding DDLs and/or streaming, can we make exceptions for short trailers / promo / music videos?

Thanks.

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Postby AkumaX » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:47 pm

That's true; things like trailers or MV's don't exactly require a 30mb torrent. Rule probably should apply just for dramas.

I think C-Drama's biggest problem is that TVB is HUGE. I mean, episodes come out DAILY, and for multiple stations! And the episode count is LONG.
The only thing that I could think of off the top of my head that's a long series is Ainori, which is going to end soon @ 400+ eps.
But (mainland) C-Dramas just keep on trucking, and its a lot easier to watch once then delete, rather than the "want to archive/keep" for other dramas.

It seems by doing this, that we'll completely eliminate TVB dramas from d-a, since no one wants to seed them.
It would be an absolutely huge task, and TVB dramas come and go fast (with their interest), which is why I suppose we don't see a lot of them on our trackers...

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Postby kevkaho » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:07 pm

yes basically the episodes for every series keep coming out everyday no matter which part of the world we are in.. it is actually hard to get all the files into a batch cos most of them will just DDL and delete after watching or choose streaming sites to view them online... and with the huge file size for a good quality batch, ppl are being put off abt dlling and seeding them... another reason will be tat ppl if they wanna dll they would want to burn to DVD for sharing with others on recordable disc compliant players... but i notice tat almost all the files are RMVB which means they must convert the files to Divx/Xvid standard b4 they can be viewed on standalone players... i think most of them have to juggle their own work/studies together with their interest of pursuing a dorama series (be it cdrama hkdrama or jdrama)... to have to do extra work is pretty taxing on them.... and for cdrama and hkdrama they dun have things like after the series is over there will be a reunion episode or a special episode like jdrama... hence ppl just expect the story to end there and they will move on to season 2 of the same show (most of the time not possible.... unless very popular ones)or maybe see another diff genre of dorama... i have been in a ratio based torrent site b4... and when i saw DA, i was glad cos there is a sense of mutual trust here on the assumption tat everyone responsible DAddicts member or guests will do their utmost to share the file with everyone around the world... and tat is wat made DA into wat is it now...


if anything is wrong with wat i said pls feel free to correct it.. i consider myself still a newbie when it comes to this kind of issues....

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Postby groink » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:23 pm

kevkaho made a point I never thought about... In short, if people use codecs or containers that are not supported by DVD players, the chances of the torrent surviving is much shorter than a torrent that uses an AVI container or XviD. The technical reason behind this is that BT relies on hashes, which are very unique on a binary level. When a RMVB video is re-ripped to AVI/XviD, the person usually throws away the RMVB. Two problems here: 1. the person can no longer seed since he threw away the RMVB file, and 2. he can't seed the AVI/XviD file unless he creates a new torrent.

I understand that the TVB fans use RMVB because it is smaller in size than AVIs. But wasn't that the case five years ago? Is bandwidth still a problem today? RealVideo is anything but open, which is why DVD players can't play the format. I would think that if the people sharing the TVB material intends to share to the masses, then it would be in their best interest to switch to a more open format/codec.

But as the others have pointed out regarding volume of episodes, the TVB series are very large. By comparison, the Japanese morning dramas don't do so well when it comes to seeding, but for a different reason... In the case of the morning dramas, they're just not that popular, and seeders are less enthusiastic to keep seeding when not too many people are even leeching.

So, I would normally buy the argument that the TVB shows are much too long to keep seeding. But on the other hand, the Korean dramas are doing fine, as they seem to have a lot of episodes as well. And, especially with the Japanese torrents like taiga dramas where the release of episodes is very slow, the taiga drama seeding is fine.

In all, I think the TVB fans just gave up on P2P much too quickly a long time ago, and allowed DDL'ing to take over completely. And it can't be reversed. It is much like what happened with Korean dramas and ClubBox - once people discovered ClubBoxing, it affected the seeding of Kdramas for awhile. But, with the complexity of ClubBox for most people, the complexity in a strange way helps the BT effort.

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Postby kevkaho » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:30 pm

groink wrote:kevkaho made a point I never thought about... In short, if people use codecs or containers that are not supported by DVD players, the chances of the torrent surviving is much shorter than a torrent that uses an AVI container or XviD. The technical reason behind this is that BT relies on hashes, which are very unique on a binary level. When a RMVB video is re-ripped to AVI/XviD, the person usually throws away the RMVB. Two problems here: 1. the person can no longer seed since he threw away the RMVB file, and 2. he can't seed the AVI/XviD file unless he creates a new torrent.

I understand that the TVB fans use RMVB because it is smaller in size than AVIs. But wasn't that the case five years ago? Is bandwidth still a problem today? RealVideo is anything but open, which is why DVD players can't play the format. I would think that if the people sharing the TVB material intends to share to the masses, then it would be in their best interest to switch to a more open format/codec.

But as the others have pointed out regarding volume of episodes, the TVB series are very large. By comparison, the Japanese morning dramas don't do so well when it comes to seeding, but for a different reason... In the case of the morning dramas, they're just not that popular, and seeders are less enthusiastic to keep seeding when not too many people are even leeching.

So, I would normally buy the argument that the TVB shows are much too long to keep seeding. But on the other hand, the Korean dramas are doing fine, as they seem to have a lot of episodes as well. And, especially with the Japanese torrents like taiga dramas where the release of episodes is very slow, the taiga drama seeding is fine.

In all, I think the TVB fans just gave up on P2P much too quickly a long time ago, and allowed DDL'ing to take over completely. And it can't be reversed. It is much like what happened with Korean dramas and ClubBox - once people discovered ClubBoxing, it affected the seeding of Kdramas for awhile. But, with the complexity of ClubBox for most people, the complexity in a strange way helps the BT effort.

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good points tat u have too groink... and the case of limiting bandwidth for every user out there is not a big problem as it was a long time ago where we all have turtle like speeds... and if everyone can take turns to seed i think it wun be a problem for others to dll the file.. all we need is a little teamwork... and forgive me if i am a noobie... but i dun exactly knoe how a ClubBox looks like and how it actually works.. hell i dun even knoe how to use IRC... it may sound weird to all users here but when it comes to this i am a complete retard... LOL..

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Postby abcd99 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:33 pm

@Groink: But many of the cdrama AVI rips also suffer similarly. See how Jem's rips fare. So, codecs are not a big deal, IMHO.

@Akuma: Similar along Groink's argument, I don't buy the notion of TVB dramas being too many. By comparison, J/K drama are more plentiful yet they have more seeders (see D-A stats)

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Postby AkumaX » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:46 pm

haha, yes, i would have to say DDL completely ruined mainland CDramas.
i did a search for "TVB" in the torrent section, and it's only 1 page long! with the last real drama torrent in 2006!

and when you got stuff like this:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_57969.htm
(327 eps all DDL), who needs BT! /s

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Postby groink » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:48 pm

As AkumaX validated, the Chinese dramas like TVB can never go back to torrents. DDLs will forever be the preferred choice.

The bottom line here is that rules should pertain to all Asian shows - and not just a certain Asian culture. I think the spirit behind the ban of DDLs across all of D-Addicts is not to allow the Japanese and Korean dramas to suffer the same fate as the Chinese dramas. If we keep DDLs on D-A, then it'll allow the Japanese and Korean to also move over from BT to DDL.

I know that the motto of D-Addicts has always been "spreading of Asian dramas". In there, it doesn't say "sharing". "Spreading" can be as selfish as DDL, and still the goal of D-A has been met. So, the TVB DDL fans here must understand is that if the moderators drop the idea and allow DDLs to flourish, the Japanese and Korean drama fans will be affected as well. Personally, I don't want that to happen. I prefer BT over DDL because, as I indicated in earlier posts, BT is much safer. And the structure of D-Addicts allow for commentary on all torrents, therefore it creates a much better check-and-balance system. The only thing going for those DDLs is the URL itself! There's no way one can check the contents of a DDL until the file's been completely downloaded.

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Postby Brumby » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:56 am

RockkxD wrote:I, as a uploader for TVB series, is here to share. I have seen some people posting DDL links, that are trying to gain money or it's ad-related. Sometimes people would have dicussions about this and that, when there's a seperate section for it or requesting without using the search function first. Which is really bad but it really sucks that it will actually have to be all deleted very soon, and as a poster, I might be losing all my posts, since it's mostly completely all posted in the Chinese section. I know rules is rules but I don't really mind if I do but some uploaders are legit and they want to share to others.

Yes, I do post on another forum but back when I signed up here, I felt that if I was to share for one place, why not for another. I personally don't want to see this happen, and I know many people in that Chinese section of the forum will feel the same. But, there's always others ways to get DDL, like going onto other forums. Although, I have never tried to advertise the other forum I use because I think that it's bad to do so on this forum but I have seen some people do that alot. Just incase, the other forum is.. http://www.popularasians.com, you can sign up and make 10 constructive non-spam posts, in order to get into the DDL section. But, I know jholic has created a thread, to hire more moderators, and he said he will do that soon but if that can happen, moderators for that section can actually remove posts and clean up the section. It may seem like it's alot of work but I guess it will be worth it, as it's will be good for the forum. But, hopefully you guys understand me.. :].


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I just want to say thank you to your efforts in the past in sharing DDL's with us. I have been one of the many who have benefited from your sharing. Among the many DDL's, your postings have always stood out to be well organised, prompt, and reliable in quality. Unfortunately this will be ending but your fine and dedicated efforts I am sure are appreciated by many.

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Postby abcd99 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:44 am

@AkumaX: Just so you know that Virtues of Harmony is already uploaded by Jem in his website. Though he only has 164 episodes. And if you noticed, many of the DDL series have been uploaded here as torrents, such as The Four and what not. Sure, it's not all of them, but hey, torrents can work for TVB series too. I don't think it's fair to single out TVB fans.

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Postby kevkaho » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:48 am

abcd99 wrote:@Groink: But many of the cdrama AVI rips also suffer similarly. See how Jem's rips fare. So, codecs are not a big deal, IMHO.

@Akuma: Similar along Groink's argument, I don't buy the notion of TVB dramas being too many. By comparison, J/K drama are more plentiful yet they have more seeders (see D-A stats)



good point abcd99

but one interesting point to note.. Jem's drama rips, be it any genre of drama, are of average to good quality... i dll 2 of their jdrama and found out tat it is a TVrip from my own country!!! i can safely say that their hardsubs are excellent however i can't say much for the pic quality... i have to view it in a smaller window in order for the pic not to be too pixelated... so the same goes for ppl who wants to see TVB shows.. in order not to sacrifice pic quality they go for DDL which always give them RMVB files.. small and easy to store... the torrents suffer cos they cannot be compared to DDL in terms of dll speed, pic quality and file size.. hence there is a need for ppl at DA to continue to let the cdrama torrents flourish by removing DDL links and threads, but hope is somewat diminished when u knoe tat most of the ppl will just migrate onto other sites... And in general TVB dramas are all of at least minimum 20 episodes..(only ICAC and variety shows are not....) so with regards to the huge number of files and size... it is very hard to convince ppl to stay on and dll the shows through torrent client... and i understand in a single season or year at TVB, there will be at least 3 major productions and many other shows on a smaller scale and budget.. so imagine u have to dll an estimated minimum of 100 files... where will tat leave u with ur hard disk space??

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Postby AkumaX » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:19 am

sorry abcd99, i didn't mean to single out TVB dramas in general. its just so discouraging (to me) to go into the main Chinese Entertainment section and seeing 80% DDL/DDL request threads (mostly for TVB), and practically 0 discussions going on (compared to J/K Drama Entertainment Sections). actually, i also grew up on TVB viet dub, and my family had jillions of vhs (now they have thousands of dvds, and previously millions of vcds), all viet dub. they even have versions that aren't dubbed over per person, but just summarized voice overs!! here's a very small example of what i'm talking about (this actually spans many many shelves...):

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90% TVB! hahaha..

p.s. i think robx did a great thing reviving wuxia with his dvd rips (and english subs!)

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Postby jholic » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:56 am

kevkaho wrote:and forgive me if i am a noobie... but i dun exactly knoe how a ClubBox looks like and how it actually works.. hell i dun even knoe how to use IRC... it may sound weird to all users here but when it comes to this i am a complete retard... LOL..

ha, dude, i am with you. i know BT quite well, but no idea when it comes to cb, irc, or even newsgroups.

anyways, while it is true that bw has gotten better and cheaper, we have to remember that our membership is worldwide. there are quite a few places that still do not enjoy that benefit. one of my friends has a relative living in a town in china that barely has any internet connectivity.

@abcd99: i feel your pain. i was going to respond to your ratio post earlier, but i had to run. like ruro said, i am against it because i don't feel the effort will justify the reward. those who cheat will continue to cheat. but i wonder about two factors that may affect your numbers of leechers 'hitting and running'.

i'm not sure about all clients, but i know that sometimes, when i complete a torrent, my client will quickly disconnect me from many of the seeders and connect me to more leechers. further, when i am one of the first ones on a torrent, i find that by the time i complete, my ratio is sometimes already over 100% (and some clients may auto-stop the torrent when ratio is >100%).

i'm definitely NOT trying to defend leechers, and i do believe there are quite a bit of hit-n-runners out there, but perhaps it's not as bad as you think. i'm a big-time pessimist, but i'm trying to believe there's still some good out there. ha!
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Postby kevkaho » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:55 pm

AkumaX wrote:sorry abcd99, i didn't mean to single out TVB dramas in general. its just so discouraging (to me) to go into the main Chinese Entertainment section and seeing 80% DDL/DDL request threads (mostly for TVB), and practically 0 discussions going on (compared to J/K Drama Entertainment Sections). actually, i also grew up on TVB viet dub, and my family had jillions of vhs (now they have thousands of dvds, and previously millions of vcds), all viet dub. they even have versions that aren't dubbed over per person, but just summarized voice overs!! here's a very small example of what i'm talking about (this actually spans many many shelves...):


90% TVB! hahaha..

p.s. i think robx did a great thing reviving wuxia with his dvd rips (and english subs!)


that is quite an impressive collection u have there... basically wat u say is true.. ever since i joined DA abt a yr ago.. i seldom see discussions abt TVB dramas here at DA.. it is always abt the links to DDL tat i find in the thread... i think without tat a lot of ppl wouldn't make DA their NO.1 choice in TVB drama..

another thing worth mentioning is tat while ppl are very glad tat older TVB shows in the 80's and early 90's are being uploaded and shared... there seems to be an issue regarding the quality and size of the file... i have seen for myself even a show tat is ripped from a DVD source can be of inferior quality.. if the ripper decides to use just the basic steps and methods then tat means when ppl dll it and find tat it is no good.. they will stop... it is a give and take situation... in the end both sides will suffer cos ppl will say the files are not worthy to dll whereas the uploader will think their hard work is all for nothing... tat is just not right for the future of DA...

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Postby kevkaho » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:02 pm

jholic wrote:
kevkaho wrote:and forgive me if i am a noobie... but i dun exactly knoe how a ClubBox looks like and how it actually works.. hell i dun even knoe how to use IRC... it may sound weird to all users here but when it comes to this i am a complete retard... LOL..

ha, dude, i am with you. i know BT quite well, but no idea when it comes to cb, irc, or even newsgroups.

anyways, while it is true that bw has gotten better and cheaper, we have to remember that our membership is worldwide. there are quite a few places that still do not enjoy that benefit. one of my friends has a relative living in a town in china that barely has any internet connectivity.

@abcd99: i feel your pain. i was going to respond to your ratio post earlier, but i had to run. like ruro said, i am against it because i don't feel the effort will justify the reward. those who cheat will continue to cheat. but i wonder about two factors that may affect your numbers of leechers 'hitting and running'.

i'm not sure about all clients, but i know that sometimes, when i complete a torrent, my client will quickly disconnect me from many of the seeders and connect me to more leechers. further, when i am one of the first ones on a torrent, i find that by the time i complete, my ratio is sometimes already over 100% (and some clients may auto-stop the torrent when ratio is >100%).

i'm definitely NOT trying to defend leechers, and i do believe there are quite a bit of hit-n-runners out there, but perhaps it's not as bad as you think. i'm a big-time pessimist, but i'm trying to believe there's still some good out there. ha!


hey jholic when u run into this problem of auto disconnection after u finished dlling or seeding it has something to do with the settings of the torrent client.. i have this problem too but i went and checked my settings carefully.. and adjusted it bit by bit till i get it sorted out... try it on ur own to see if it works.. some leechers out there are bad, but i think some of them may be having bw problems as some servers are being overloaded with a lot of users... i have checked the global internet speed online and overall in Asia most of the countries have speeds ranging from average to normal... so i wun be surprised if someone will be mistakenly termed as leechers...

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Postby jholic » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:15 pm

actually, i don't think the "auto-disconnect" is a problem. i believe either the tracker or the client realizes that your torrent is 100% and it would be more efficient to connect you with more leechers than with other seeders. i think this is a pretty good feature and i like it. i was merely providing abcd99 a theory as to why he may see so many 'drop-offs'.

then again, someone may tell me that i'm just imagining things.
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Postby kevkaho » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:26 am

jholic wrote:actually, i don't think the "auto-disconnect" is a problem. i believe either the tracker or the client realizes that your torrent is 100% and it would be more efficient to connect you with more leechers than with other seeders. i think this is a pretty good feature and i like it. i was merely providing abcd99 a theory as to why he may see so many 'drop-offs'.

then again, someone may tell me that i'm just imagining things.


but then jholic it actually sounds logical tat the torrent client will break up the connection with seeders and transfer the seeding to the leechers for them to complete the download.. but then again wouldn't it be like hoping tat whoever the leecher is does not hit and run after u have shared the file with him?? contradicting but yet helpless in stopping it... :D

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Postby Daish » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:40 am

don't think I have much to add, the discussion has been going on for a while.

to answer groink's question a few pages back about why is there is a high demand for mainland/hk dramas from a non chinese site is that I believe there's alot of people like me who are not that proficient in the language (can only converse) due to emigrating at a young age. Thus an english site is much more preferable for me.

Though I agree that its impossible to discuss about the drama in those threads where there are 3 or 4 consecutive posts of ddl for the same episode, and I support your decision but I don't necessarily believe that banning DDL's is the solution.

If i'm not mistaken, you guys brought up the notion that the "preferred" method of dl for chinese drama's has become DDL's and its unlikely it will swing back into the torrent format. So taking DDL away from cdrama would be sort of like taking away torrents for jdrama. I agree there's other places that has these DDL links and having a few hundred pages of links (some repeats of repeats) is a waste of space and effort, but strangely enough this is true for many torrents among other things on the internet. Doesn't make it right though I must admit.
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Postby Puppet Princess » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:51 am

Daish wrote:to answer groink's question a few pages back about why is there is a high demand for mainland/hk dramas from a non chinese site is that I believe there's alot of people like me who are not that proficient in the language (can only converse) due to emigrating at a young age. Thus an english site is much more preferable for me.


People always use this as an excuse but I always find this as the most BS response ever.

I am not Chinese, I don't not understand Chinese, I do not read Chinese.
And yet, I can use Chinese BT sites just fine. In fact I get most of my raws from sites in Chinese and can even find stuff that is hard to find.

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Postby Daish » Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:07 am

I was only saying its a preference, I fully realize if someone wants something enough, they will find their methods to attain them. But that does not mean convenience means nothing.
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Postby kevkaho » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:48 pm

it is just a matter of whether banning DDL links here at DA after March will have the desired effect as per wat the communtiy wants... when the day comes let the results tell the story... but till then i think it is business as usual for everyone else here... i think let's just work together to make this place a better place...

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Postby taniyama_mai » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:44 pm

Can I ask 2 question?
are there any direct download link in d-addict for Korean drama after 30 March 2009?
I'm sorry for this question because i don't understand very well.
after 30 march 2009, is it for Chinese entertainment only or for all jdrama and kdrama?
2) are the download link is for Bit Torrent user only?
I'm really hope that someone can answer my questions...
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Postby morserachel » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:00 pm

It applies across board to ALL DDLs

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Postby jazman » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:11 am

Hi RockkxD,

Thanks for your kind sharing and great uploads. It is greatly appreciated. I have just registered with popularasians.com. How do I access the DDL section? I have made about 12 posts on various topics so far.

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Postby taniyama_mai » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:51 am

Thank you very much for Morserachel.....
its really help me....
thank once again.... :D :D

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Postby Ladymercury » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:08 pm

I'll be late for the discussion and say " I always assumed this site was strictly for torrents only "

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Postby kenryuakuma » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:43 am

SO does it mean that there will be no more direct download for all the series and dramas? I don't quite get it.

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Postby charia-chan » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:47 am

Yes, exactly.

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Postby pixiegirl50 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:08 am

I think this change will be good for DA. I don't know why so many people don't like BT, I love BT(its all I ever use). I think there are to many lazy people who want the instant gratification from DDL and streaming sites.

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Postby voteforme » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:03 am

Yes, I love BT. I can just leave it on and download batches of dramas/movies... Hail to DA.
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Postby mcjayjay » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:28 am

well i never you DDL anyways, never knew there was on this site, i thought there was only bittorrents and all. I only use bittorents and clubbox to download my dramas and music. Im not much o a fan for direct links anyways. this is a step ahead for this website, its better this way =)
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Postby mizune » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:51 am

Okay, I admit I've been busy with other things recently and have not been checking up on the activity going on with this change, but I noticed some ppl are getting a bit panicky already (we still have a full month before D-Day, guys). ^_^;;;;;;;

So I've modified the first post with the following info:
Looking for sites to get DDLs? A section has been added to the Links of Interest Thread. We'll try to have the entire list updated before we delete the existing download threads.
Until then, please DO NOT spam the forum with either requests for sites or advertisements for sites :x. Instead, please check the Links of Interest Thread. If you know of a site (because I know there are others out there), please post it in the Links of Interest Thread and we will include it in the update.


One thing I noticed ppl talking about in this thread is the "market share" of users....
... Market share? :scratch:
This is not a for-profit business, despite what some ppl may claim/accuse this site of being. Will we have problems paying the bills in the future? Maybe, maybe not... If we do run into money problems, I'm hoping the community we've created here will be able to band together to help out like in the old days (although I admit there were a few instances back then when Ruroshin did have to shell out a fair amount of cash from his own pocket to cover our expenses :fear: ). Let's keep those fingers crossed....
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Postby groink » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:57 am

mizune wrote:One thing I noticed ppl talking about in this thread is the "market share" of users...... Market share? :scratch:

Many people just don't understand how things work on the Internet. As mizune pointed out, D-Addicts isn't trying to gain market share. It is those bozos at asianuniverse.net that's trying to boost its market share (probably to boosts its advertising value IMO.)

The cost of D-Addicts is based on two factors: bandwidth utilization and server performance.

Both elements are scalable. Let's say one-third of all users were cut off D-Addicts. D-Addicts wouldn't be affected negatively in any way because there would be less bandwidth utilized, and there would be less hits on the server, therefore D-A could actually run on a server with less CPU (i.e. cheaper server.) The amount of advertisement traffic would be less, but then the operation costs would also be less.

That's what it means to be scalable! And that's why I really could care less about losing the thousands of DDL addicts.

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Postby Kazuya_ » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:09 am

groink wrote:That's what it means to be scalable! And that's why I really could care less about losing the thousands of DDL addicts.

--- groink


Not only that but DDL folks are basically leechers. Since DA is a torrent site, DDLs don't help share the dramas by reseeding. Just hit and run, grab what I want and I'm gone!

Furthermore, they're not really contributing to the fansubbing aspect either. Again, I got mine, who cares about anyone else.

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Postby RockkxD » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:08 am

Im pretty sure there are some fansubbers that actually use the DDL's to get the videos quick and actually sub the video. Other than that, not all of us are interested in subbing, nor can some people actually have the ability to do so. As this site was clearly based on torrents, but what I seriously don't get is. If you go to the "Chinese Culture & Entertainment Section", there's a sub-forum called, "Chinese Drama Discussions Section". If we uploaders are posting in Chinese Culture & Entertainment Section, then we are conveying for "Entertainment", which will relate to the "Chinese Culture". Although I know the sub-forum, Chinese Drama Discussions Section is also full with DDL's but not as much as in the Chinese Culture & Entertainment section.

Basically, what I am trying to say is, why can't you just keep Chinese Culture & Entertainment Section with DDL's and leave the Chinese Drama Discussions Section with just discussions. The title of the sections were meant for something right? There's also other sub-forums in there to discuss. I know maybe your way of meaning is probably not the way I mean for the sections but I don't want to see this die out for D-Addicts. I accept the view of the Admins/Mods but it's just my opinion.

As for the site's money, it's very important for them to maintain a stable condition for the site. Therefore, donations are very important but if you're to prune the uploaders for DDL to lower your costs of payment and maybe whatever that suits you. Then I don't see how D-addicts will gain more members. Im not a troller or anyone that will hurt the forum, I also don't know much about this situation but bear with me. Im thinking this out, but yes, there many people that are leechers just for DDL. There are leechers everywhere, what can you do about it? Delete them all or change your sign-up registration for a paided coverage? Obviously not, but think about it, if there weren't leechers, there wouldn't be downloaders or uploaders. Which brings us to torrents, why do people finish downloading it and not seed it? Leeching, duh? They finish downloading it and deletes it, they don't seed it. But what can you do about that? Nothing because that's reality. But my point is, you don't want to lose members, you want to gain, to make your site much more bigger. As internet is where site competition occurs. But once again, we all view things differently or similarly, but that's my perspective.

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Postby Puppet Princess » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:45 am

The difference between the entertainment section and the drama discussion sections is... entertainment that is not a drama. Music, variety, books, culture, language... and so on.

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Postby Kazuya_ » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:47 am

Of course there will be leechers everywhere. I don't think eliminating leechers by getting rid of DDL is the goal at all.

DA is a community of all sorts of people. A community means members should contribute to said community. That can be done in a variety of ways. Uploading, re-seeding, fansubbing and even posting comments / discussions in the forums.

But DDL doesn't really fall under that umbrella. Yes, it is uploading but since the preferred method of sharing dramas on this site is by torrent, DDL cuts into that and also, as Groink pointed out, uses up bandwidth.

I know the argument that DDLs are good because sometimes torrents die and you have no seeders. True. DDLs do have their place, but if they exist on DA, doesn't that undermine the torrent aspect of the site?


I also don't understand why chinese dramas and shows MUST be DDL. Just because it's the preferred method? Why can't those videos be uploaded to the tracker as a torrent instead of a DDL link to another site? The uploaders of Japanese dramas, (and I assume Korean though I'm not sure ) get their videos from another source and then create a torrent and upload here. Why can't this be done with Chinese videos? :scratch: Maybe I just don't get it.


Having links to DDL sites on the Links of Interest part of the forum strikes a fair balance by allowing people to find DDL and at the same time not using DA as a direct portal.

I don't really understand this we must grow DA across the ends of the Earth ideology either. Yes, having a healthy community of members that contribute is good but I don't understand the notion of just having growth for growth sake. Just like in business, isn't that spreading yourself thin?

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Postby toyotaku » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:50 am

Just mentioning something from the point of view of someone who, while I've been watching jdrama and the occasional kdrama for several years, is largely still new to Asian drama in general. The fact that so few cdramas seem to make it onto the tracker means I'm not exposed to what is out there.

D-Addicts being a torrent site, the tracker is the first thing I check --- it's immediate exposure to dramas & specials & other programming, most of which I wouldn't be aware of otherwise. That's been the beauty of D-Addicts. It's allowed me to explore. Because people have uploaded series to the tracker on occasion, I've started to take an interest in Thai drama to the point there have been a couple I've wished would find their way here. DDLs buried in forum topics means cdrama largely remains unseen by those like me who come from a different interest area and don't know what cdrama has to offer beyond wuxia series.

If you want to talk about "sharing the love" and getting new fans, get cdramas up on the tracker where people can see them clearly and investigate what they are without it having to become a forum research project. :-)

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Postby GAMA_SENNIN » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:03 am

+1 to toyotaku

Share the love in torrents, I want to see more Chinese torrents whether they are from Taiwan, Mainland or Hong Kong. One problem is the source of Chinese dramas. Most of them are from chinese torrent sites like icefish, ydy and hdzone. I do find it rather redundant to create a new seed here. If there are seeders who capture the videos by themselves (I'm guessing like how K and J sources are like) then C-drama will definitely be more in sync with them.

All in all, my previous post (below) summarizes why I support elimination of DDL links in d-addict. The main download venue is torrents here. Let other sites do what they are best at doing.


GAMA_SENNIN wrote:I support the elimination of DDL from DA especially the Chinese forum. Having a discussion forum turning into a endless drone-like list of links and requests is without a doubt defeating its purpose. Also, it drowns out what little discussion there is in the Chinese section. I have check both the Japanese and Korean sections and found both to contain richer and more thoughtful threads than the Chinese.

I definitely root for the change and that it will make the Chinese discussion forums more rich in content and less shallow.

PS: credits to the uploaders but please help out in the relative sites that also serve the same purpose

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Postby Puppet Princess » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:22 am

GAMA_SENNIN wrote:If there are seeders who capture the videos by themselves (I'm guessing like how K and J sources are like) then C-drama will definitely be more in sync with them.


heh, no. Unless they are ripping LoDef English subs from KBSworld Korean and Japanese uploads come from alternate sources. JP usually from P2P and Korean from Korean torrent sites or clubbox.

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Postby toyotaku » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:40 am

GAMA_SENNIN wrote:One problem is the source of Chinese dramas. Most of them are from chinese torrent sites like icefish, ydy and hdzone. I do find it rather redundant to create a new seed here. If there are seeders who capture the videos by themselves (I'm guessing like how K and J sources are like) then C-drama will definitely be more in sync with them.


The majority of jdramas aren't captured by the uploaders here, but are downloaded from Japanese p2p sources like Share, Perfect Dark, Utatane, etc. and shared here. The programs are easy enough to use, but it requires some ability to deal with kanji, which can make one cross-eyed when you can't read it. The filenames are romanized when uploaded here (well, usually they are), making it easier for a lot of people to find what they want. If sites like icefish & the others are in Chinese, it makes it very difficult to find what you're going after (or even what might be interesting), whereas titles & information would be romanized if uploaded here. Forgive my ignorance... are those sites in Chinese or are they meant for more of an audience accustomed to romanization?

Seems like I remember a time when I saw a lot of drama torrents here with icefish and ydy included in the filenames. I remember wondering what those terms meant and saw some discussions about whether one was better than the other. Isn't there also the ability to post to the D-Addicts tracker with links to another tracker? (I forget what that's called... an outside or off-site tracker?) Couldn't that be done to reduce the redundancy while still making them visible to the D-Addicts community?

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Postby abcd99 » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:09 pm

Those sites are in Chinese. The file names are in Chinese. I usually rename the file names according to standard Pinyin romanization before uploading them.

Uploading a torrent with an off-site tracker is usually because the torrent is already posted on some other tracker and the uploader doesn't want to reseed for D-A. By listing an off-site tracker, the leecher can join the
existing crowd. The problems with that are several fold:
1. If the torrent is delisted on the other tracker, the torrent usually will die soon after although it's still listed on D-A. Worse yet, usually D-A tracker will also delete the off-site torrents soon after if they are delisted on the original trackers.
2. The file names are still in Chinese. Some computers don't like non-latinized file names.
3. Problem #1 and #2 usually mean it's harder to get a reseed for a dead torrent.
4. There are often lots of junks bundled with the torrents. It's a minor annoyance, though.

This is why I create a new torrent with an in-house tracker every time I "import" some torrents from btchina and the like. But seeding the torrent itself is daunting due to so many ungrateful leechers.

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Postby RockkxD » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:53 pm

Just to let you know, we as uploaders or I rather would say "people", were not allowed to post torrents within Chinese Culture & Entertainment Section. The Admins/Mods have explained it in the past, about the site being tracked down by this and that and another reason is, it's a "Discussion" area. Therefore people lost interest on posting torrents to share, due to the rules that were implemented. Which also explains why there's less Chinese Series/Dramas torrents up on D-Addicts. The reason being because their either lazy to go through the hassle of whatever may be your way of getting the torrent within the site or that DDL has already been the only thing people want now. So, you tell me, why is there's less Chinese Series/Dramas for torrents? Exactly my point, and once again, it depends on people's interest, either they like DDL's or torrents. And it's funny how I believe I can consider I am the only uploader here trying evade this stop of DDL's on March.

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Postby aNToK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:25 pm

Haven't done my usual scouring of the thread to see what's what and frankly, I rarely download Chinese dramas, though my lady's first language is Mandarin. Having said that...

Someone mentioned having to scour through the whole torrent section, but all one has to do is select the "type" option on the tracker page (hkdrama, twdrama, etc.). and it will list only those torrents marked for that category. Not difficult.

If they're so lazy that that's a deterrent, is there any reason that whoever's posting the threads can't insert direct links to the torrent threads on the tracker in their posts similar to how we often link to the subtitles thread? If the difficulty arises from people not being able to find what they're looking for, the above would work if there's no rule preventing it. If the problem is that people don't want to use torrents at all, that's another story. This site did, as I understand, start off as a torrent-sharing and discussion board.

I don't see any reason why folks wanting to share and enjoy the Chinese dramas can't do like the rest of us on the site and post the torrents. It doesn't take much effort on the part of the uploader to create and share a torrent, and if the folks downloading them can't be bothered to take a few more steps to download them, then they're welcome to seek them elsewhere.

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Postby aNToK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:27 pm

Not sure if I was clear, but when I mentioned direct links to torrents in the threads, I was referring to linking to torrents on the d-addicts tracker rather than outside links.
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Postby AkumaX » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:20 pm

RockkxD wrote:Just to let you know, we as uploaders or I rather would say "people", were not allowed to post torrents within Chinese Culture & Entertainment Section. The Admins/Mods have explained it in the past, about the site being tracked down by this and that and another reason is, it's a "Discussion" area. Therefore people lost interest on posting torrents to share, due to the rules that were implemented. Which also explains why there's less Chinese Series/Dramas torrents up on D-Addicts. The reason being because their either lazy to go through the hassle of whatever may be your way of getting the torrent within the site or that DDL has already been the only thing people want now. So, you tell me, why is there's less Chinese Series/Dramas for torrents? Exactly my point, and once again, it depends on people's interest, either they like DDL's or torrents. And it's funny how I believe I can consider I am the only uploader here trying evade this stop of DDL's on March.


Hi RockkxD!

I believe we only stated that you can't post DDLs to torrents that aren't on our trackers.
It becomes very difficult to maintain if people might inconspicuously post torrents that might include some malicious files (whether intended or not).
If we had the torrents loaded on our tracker, we can easily see what files are being uploaded.

The way I look at Culture and Entertainment for any language would be something concerning
recent events, or maybe latest styles, mannerisms, or whatever may sound interesting.

Let's take a look at J Culture and Entertainment (just the main forum).
Hmmm I see some people taking about things they like about japanese clothes, Hello Kitty, general jdrama genre discussions (specifically targeted dramas are in the Drama Section of their respective language), etc...

In K Culture and Entertainment, I spy some K-Movie discussions, songs, reviews, kisses, etc...

Oh look here, C Culture and Entertainment! I know a little about some of these things.. like Vicki Zhao in that new Mulan movie,
or Jackie Chan playing a non-martial arts role, or maybe some new scandal with Edison, hahaha...
Let's take a look. DDL thread, DDL thread, Request for a DDL, hmmm... doesn't look too pretty here...

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Take 2:

Hmmmm... here's another way of looking at these things. J and K Dramas are loaded on our trackers (hardsubs and RAWs).
RAWs often have groups doing Softsubs for them -- Softsubs for English (mainly) and many other languages like Spanish, Hungarian, Italian, etc...
The basic premise is that the dramas are being translated so that another language is benefitting from it.
Currently I'm loving Boys Before Flowers and Mei-Chan no Shitsuji. They're even English subbed!

Let's use my favorite example: http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_57969.htm
372 episodes all conveniently uploaded to DDL.
Think of how much fun it would be to download the entire series and batch it for torrent! But why?
This is the type of drama that may get watched (or skimmed over) and then thrown away. Subs? Non-existent. Then why?

The truth is, C-DDL's only cater to native-Chinese speakers. No one outside of this would want to watch it because there's no subs.
Native-Chinese speakers wouldn't want to torrent them because who would they share with? Who would leech from them?
Almost any translated (English mostly) C-Drama has a torrent. No one bothers uploading RAWs because it could possibly be
the sheer magnitude/effort, and that it seems that Native-Chinese overwhemlingly welcome DDL with open arms.

This is just an observation that I came up with, and is by no means a definitive statement that can't be changed (there are many holes in the above statements I presume).

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Lastly, besides, why do you guys think that taking out DDL of D-Addicts is the end of the world? It's not like there aren't alternate sites to download from, right?

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Postby aNToK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:52 pm

372 eps? Makes that batch for the first half of TOE look downright puny!

Good point about the language thing, I hadn't thought of that.

One of the biggest things that bugs me about the ddl sites is the limits to download unless you fork over some $$$. The fact that some of my phishing and other filter proggies often report suspicious stuff trying to load from some of the pop-ups, etc. is a turn-off as well, but that's just me.
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Postby abcd99 » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:01 pm

RockkxD wrote:Just to let you know, we as uploaders or I rather would say "people", were not allowed to post torrents within Chinese Culture & Entertainment Section. The Admins/Mods have explained it in the past, about the site being tracked down by this and that and another reason is, it's a "Discussion" area. Therefore people lost interest on posting torrents to share, due to the rules that were implemented. Which also explains why there's less Chinese Series/Dramas torrents up on D-Addicts. The reason being because their either lazy to go through the hassle of whatever may be your way of getting the torrent within the site or that DDL has already been the only thing people want now. So, you tell me, why is there's less Chinese Series/Dramas for torrents? Exactly my point, and once again, it depends on people's interest, either they like DDL's or torrents. And it's funny how I believe I can consider I am the only uploader here trying evade this stop of DDL's on March.


As AkumaX had explained, you cannot upload an off-site torrent in C-Drama forum. BUT, you're still able to upload them as regular torrents. And as AnToK had explained, if the leechers re too lazy to do literally a few easy things, they're probably too lazy to do anything at all. For leechers, they can simply type the title in the search box and they'll get it. I can't understand why torrent is such a big hassle to Chinese-speaking people while you see that many Chinese torrent sites such as btchina or ydy or icefish flourish. It's laziness, pure and simple.

I don't want to regurgitate my previous points, but DDL really discourages sharing and encourages unethical profiteering. This is why DDL has to stop.

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Postby lilswtangel » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:31 pm

@aNToK, you know what makes Virtues of Harmony seem puny? A Kindred Spirit which ended at 1128 episodes!

Imagine downloading that by DDL!!

http://wiki.d-addicts.com/A_Kindred_Spirit

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Postby aNToK » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:17 pm

lilswtangel wrote:@aNToK, you know what makes Virtues of Harmony seem puny? A Kindred Spirit which ended at 1128 episodes!

Imagine downloading that by DDL!!

http://wiki.d-addicts.com/A_Kindred_Spirit


Ugh... Imagine having the time to actually WATCH the damn thing. I can't even scrape together the time to actually watch some of the eps I'm uploading, and I've had the dvd for "I Love You" for a month and am on ep 2.

(Though I did manage to watch ep 17 of Battlestar Galactica this morning. Go Grace Park! )
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Postby RockkxD » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:48 am

Just for your information, we as uploaders also go through the same process, we preferbly use www.hdzone.org for our TVB. There, we get our torrents, and we download them, just the same way you guys do. And if they like, they would seed it or not, and then we go through the time to upload it. It's not that easy, but fairly to me, it aint that hard. Pretty much a fast job for me but lets see what will happen, :X.

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Postby aznlilboiz » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:04 am

if u guys want BT for chinese drama or movie, go to HDzone

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Postby taniyama_mai » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:25 am

hello
can anyone in here answer my question?
after 30 march, there is no DDL
But, is there any torrent link after that??
actually, i don't really understand about this.. :-( :-(

anyway, thank you very much...
i really appreciate it if someone can help me with this... :-) :-) :-)

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Postby aNToK » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:09 pm

taniyama_mai wrote:hello
can anyone in here answer my question?
after 30 march, there is no DDL
But, is there any torrent link after that??
actually, i don't really understand about this.. :-( :-(

anyway, thank you very much...
i really appreciate it if someone can help me with this... :-) :-) :-)


This is a torrent-based site with it's own tracker. What do you think?
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Postby groink » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:54 pm

aNToK wrote:This is a torrent-based site with it's own tracker. What do you think?

Hehehee... :lol

Basically, what it'll take is for a few fans to DDL the shows off the Internet, turn them into torrents, and then upload them to D-Addicts and seed them. A few things to think about here:

1. Anything Chinese/Taiwanese/Hong Kong/etc. TV-related is accepted on the D-Addicts tracker. I also believe that telecinema (I think that's the correct term the Chinese fans use - it is basically a made-for-TV movie) are allowed here.

2. You can upload torrents from other trackers to here. For example, if there is a non-English based Chinese tracker, it would be beneficial to the many non-reading if the torrent is uploaded to here. I think the fundamental problem with stuff Chinese is that there are not enough English-written trackers, and DDLs was the solution.

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Postby taniyama_mai » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:19 am

groink wrote:
aNToK wrote:This is a torrent-based site with it's own tracker. What do you think?

Hehehee... :lol

Basically, what it'll take is for a few fans to DDL the shows off the Internet, turn them into torrents, and then upload them to D-Addicts and seed them. A few things to think about here:

1. Anything Chinese/Taiwanese/Hong Kong/etc. TV-related is accepted on the D-Addicts tracker. I also believe that telecinema (I think that's the correct term the Chinese fans use - it is basically a made-for-TV movie) are allowed here.

2. You can upload torrents from other trackers to here. For example, if there is a non-English based Chinese tracker, it would be beneficial to the many non-reading if the torrent is uploaded to here. I think the fundamental problem with stuff Chinese is that there are not enough English-written trackers, and DDLs was the solution.

--- groink



thank you very much for your cooperation, groink.... you too,aNToK
i really appreciate this....
sorry if this question make you mad or something....

:salut: :salut: :-) :-)

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Postby aNToK » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:49 pm

Nah, not mad at all. Carry on...
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Postby aNToK » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:58 pm

groink wrote:. I think the fundamental problem with stuff Chinese is that there are not enough English-written trackers, and DDLs was the solution.

--- groink


Actually, it's a secret communist plot to take over the world, and keeping the capitalistic English-speaking public from deciphering the hidden messages in the shows is crucial to this diabolical plot's success. Torrents allow too many bilingual people to access them and run a greater risk of some Western-sympathizing person uncovering the plot.

D-Addicts is the last bastion of resistance, and should be supported if we are to avoid total domination.

If this plot succeeds, I choose Gillian Cheung to be my personal ruler.







(yes, the aforementioned post is utter crap.)
(Except the part about Gillian. Yum!!!!!!!)
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Postby Vaiz123 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:23 am

hey , was the direct link that make this forum popular , wasn't it ?

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Postby abcd99 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:02 pm

No, it was DDL that ruined this forum.


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