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ironicwave Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Total posts: 887 Location: Germany Gender: Female |
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AirheadJoined: 28 Nov 2005 Total posts: 124 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| gixo wrote: | ...
hmmm... can someone fill me in about ratio-based tracker? You have to have a certain share rate, e.g. 50% of your dl.? and if you don't have a high enough ratio you are banned from dl until you have it? Then what about those who ul bad seeded torrents and have a share rate of 8 for that and only 0,5 for popular ones. Does it somehow balance each other out? By the way that might be why you see some bad seeders. They might have some torrents which they think are prior to some other torrents which they are seeding. Just a guess thought... |
you'll find the answer in the german thread  _________________ favs: Cherry Boom  , Rammstein 
i''m looking for:Autumn Shower Ep13- and Yeonjae''s Heyday Ep13- 700mb-Hodoli, Happy and Lucky[Jem], Reaching Out[Jem]
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 555 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| MoerkJ wrote: | | amrayu wrote: | | To eliminate these bots from even uploading, can we add a security feature to the upload page? Something like a jpg/gif word verification area. |
Well, I can't and I doubt it is necessary. I dunno why always ppl think of bots when it is only humans with a lot of time. The Pending area was exactly made for catching unwanted torrents. You cannot avoid them.
...and to the bad peer/seed issue...
Is there any proof for bad behaviour? Have you ever thought someone might sharing/leeching 100 torrents with only 1-10kbps bandwidth using a multitorrent client like BitComet or Azureus? This may look like a "bad peer" too, but it definitely isn't one.
I'm afraid banning BitComet today would ban like 90% of all users.  |
nobody's forcing people to use bitcomet (there are TONS of other BT clients that are perfectly acceptable). the problem is that bitcomet is generally an 'unfair' client, designed to cheat the system.
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| AkumaX wrote: | | nobody's forcing people to use bitcomet (there are TONS of other BT clients that are perfectly acceptable). the problem is that bitcomet is generally an 'unfair' client, designed to cheat the system. |
I use BitComet... 'nuff said.
--- groink
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| MoerkJ wrote: |
...and to the bad peer/seed issue...
Is there any proof for bad behaviour? Have you ever thought someone might sharing/leeching 100 torrents with only 1-10kbps bandwidth using a multitorrent client like BitComet or Azureus? This may look like a "bad peer" too, but it definitely isn't one.
I'm afraid banning BitComet today would ban like 90% of all users. Neutral
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Who can prove such a thing but the peer stats page. If everyone else is getting dynamic data every 5 minutes, but one person isn't getting that dynamic data, but instead gets some sort of funky static data from start to end, isn't that already a bad peer wasting torrent slots? I know it may only be one peer at the time, but i did in fact mention it for the future sake of many more similar clients which could cause for bad file sharing ( possibility is there ).
Azureus isn't very favorable in terms of myself either, but that was in the past, i dunno how azureus is at the moment, so i won't really comment on it; stopped using Azureus about a year ago.
And regarding the 100 torrents with only 1-10kbps bandwidth is just absurd. I don't doubt there there are some out there doing so, but i still must say that is plain out crazy, and might i add a very dumb thing to do indeed; runing 100 torrents at that speed? You'd practically be out of your mind to wait hundreds of hours to download one episode much less attempting to get a 40+ series drama like that? I'd say pay the money for the box set is much less troublesome and cheaper._________________ -- Robx --
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 555 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| groink wrote: | | AkumaX wrote: | | nobody's forcing people to use bitcomet (there are TONS of other BT clients that are perfectly acceptable). the problem is that bitcomet is generally an 'unfair' client, designed to cheat the system. |
I use BitComet... 'nuff said.
--- groink |
i see that it is the likes of YOU people that ruin it for the rest of the community. what's your ip address again?
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| AkumaX wrote: | | groink wrote: | | AkumaX wrote: | | nobody's forcing people to use bitcomet (there are TONS of other BT clients that are perfectly acceptable). the problem is that bitcomet is generally an 'unfair' client, designed to cheat the system. |
I use BitComet... 'nuff said.
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i see that it is the likes of YOU people that ruin it for the rest of the community. what's your ip address again? |
Listen Chump... I've uploaded TERABYTES more to D-Addicts and around the Internet than your sorry ass. So don't go f*cking around with us uploaders and tell US what we should be using to provide content for this community. So you encode. BFD! You should know that you wouldn't have obtained those RAWs if it wasn't for some of us who provide the RAWS using BitComet. If you go around accusing us BitComet users from screwing this community, and then making an attempt to ban us, let me make one thing clear....
I'm not going to take that lightly.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Actually, I think both of you are right in your own ways.
Personally, I think the outcome is dependent on the torrent "user" him/herself whether or not to cheat. Though a lot of bitcomet users take advantage of the cheat feature, not all bitcomet users actually cheat just because they use that client. In contrast those with fast upload speeds don't normally need to cheat at all regardless of what client they decide to go with, unless of course they want to be an ass. But being the amount of people that does take advantage of that feature does get quite overwhelming at times, so i feel where the hate for bitcomet client is as well, though i don't blame all bitcomet users or the software itself; i DO blame those that take advantage of the cheating a little too often.
If the client is indeed design to cheat (as akumax says), there is still the seeding point when done downloading, so there is that option thus to repay what was downloaded instead of disconnecting as soon as one is completed. So the real problem still resides from the peers themselves on how to handle justifiable or unjust ratio's._________________ -- Robx --
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 555 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| groink wrote: |
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not going to answer this. bitcomet is still designed to cheat the system, and although YOU aren't turning on that feature (as i assume), there are thousands of others who would easily take advantage of that with a heartbeat.
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MoerkJJoined: 06 Dec 2003 Total posts: 1985 Location: Germany Age: 36 Gender: Male |
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MoerkJJoined: 06 Dec 2003 Total posts: 1985 Location: Germany Age: 36 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| robx wrote: | | MoerkJ wrote: |
...and to the bad peer/seed issue...
Is there any proof for bad behaviour? Have you ever thought someone might sharing/leeching 100 torrents with only 1-10kbps bandwidth using a multitorrent client like BitComet or Azureus? This may look like a "bad peer" too, but it definitely isn't one.
I'm afraid banning BitComet today would ban like 90% of all users. Neutral
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Who can prove such a thing but the peer stats page. If everyone else is getting dynamic data every 5 minutes, but one person isn't getting that dynamic data, but instead gets some sort of funky static data from start to end, isn't that already a bad peer wasting torrent slots? I know it may only be one peer at the time, but i did in fact mention it for the future sake of many more similar clients which could cause for bad file sharing ( possibility is there ).
Azureus isn't very favorable in terms of myself either, but that was in the past, i dunno how azureus is at the moment, so i won't really comment on it; stopped using Azureus about a year ago.
And regarding the 100 torrents with only 1-10kbps bandwidth is just absurd. I don't doubt there there are some out there doing so, but i still must say that is plain out crazy, and might i add a very dumb thing to do indeed; runing 100 torrents at that speed? You'd practically be out of your mind to wait hundreds of hours to download one episode much less attempting to get a 40+ series drama like that? I'd say pay the money for the box set is much less troublesome and cheaper. |
The stats page shows only session stats. When a client reconnects all previous stats are lost because nothing is cached. A BT client can actually announce any stats to the tracker it wants to. I have tested it myself by sending an self constructed announce message which stated that I have shared 17GB in 10 minutes. The tracker stats page showed exactly these wrong stats I made up myself.
Also the stats may be misleading a lot. It shows only stats for a particular torrent. A user could be busy sharing other torrents at a higher priority and may look like a leecher for another low priority torrent. Bittorrent is scaleable enough to distribute all available upload slots. Well, sometimes it is hard when 1000 peers try to grab the 2-5 upload slots you can offer. 
Finally the stats would be only meaningful if they would be used to collect lifetime stats assigned to each registered(!) user. And this is a ratio-based system we neither want nor need. This has been discussed for 4 years already.
The example with the 100 torrents was quite extreme. Having many torrents queued in a BT client and having only a slow internet connection may sound absurd to you but it doesn't have to. In the past I used to queue up lots of rare torrents waiting for seeds. Sometimes it took almost a year to finish certain episodes. It was never a matter of bandwidth or ratio, but a matter of lacking seeds.
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 555 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| MoerkJ wrote: | | AkumaX wrote: | | nobody's forcing people to use bitcomet (there are TONS of other BT clients that are perfectly acceptable). |
But I'm using it sometimes. And that doesn't say anything about me being a cheater or not, does it? I can use it for leeching/sharing and for pure filesharing (just uploading / seeding). So what? It is up to the user how s/he makes use of a tool.
| AkumaX wrote: | | the problem is that bitcomet is generally an 'unfair' client, designed to cheat the system. |
Can you please proof this claim? Stop repeating these false claims you heard somewhere!
You can read more about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitComet , especially in the "Validity of criticism" and "DHT Exploit Controversy" sections.
I haven't found a cheat feature in BitCommet so far.  You may send me samples of BitComet source code or other proof that backs your claim. I will gratefully review them. |
I found this piece:
http://torrentfreak.com/bittornado-bans-all-bitcomet-users/#comment-140381
and with this, I will now exit myself out of the discussion of BitComet.
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ironicwaveJoined: 22 Mar 2004 Total posts: 887 Location: Germany Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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see and this is why it's mostly unwise to get into technical discussions armed only with other people's firsthand knowledge... 
but attempts at levity aside, d-addicts' way of sharing has worked for 4 years and makes it possible for everyone with a torrent client to enjoy asian drama...
the question i keep asking myself... what is the motivation for people to support ratio-based trackers? they want everyone to do their fair share, right? so if someone with 10 times the upload speed of another person seeds 1:1, he can disconnect much faster than the other guy, how's that fair? so your download takes a little longer in order to support a few folks who can't share as well as you can, big fat deal...
i used to have seriously crap upload, now graduated to a little less crap upload (compared to the fat pipes here)... so you find other means to support the community, fill seed requests, fansub... and i think it's fair to say that spending hours upon hours subbing takes a lot more out of you than keeping that torrent client running a few hours longer... 
bah, i just really loathe the constant complaining... downloads too slow, seeds too few, quality too low, subs too slow, this isn't fair, that's not equal, ad nauseum, ad infinitum...
what a waste of precious drama viewing time...  _________________ 
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RuroshinJoined: 05 Dec 2003 Total posts: 2748 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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*looks up at all the ratio tracker talk*
*checks calendar*
that time of year again is it.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I don't see why we're still on this issue. Ruro has decided from the start that we WEREN'T going to implement this system and I think the least we can do is respect his decision whether we agree with it or not.
It's been a little over 4 years now and d-addicts has been and still is doing fine w/o this ratio tracker. Sure, we might have some old torrrents that have 0 seeds, but isn't that what our "SOTM" polls are for?
We have over 100K+ registered members, why make it more difficult than it already is?
and just for the matter of the record, I used to use BitComet. I did my fair share of seeding with the client and now I have moved on to another (uTorrent) and I'm still here seeding.
I'm sure there are bad seeders out there, but that doesn't mean the whole lot of us are from the same boat.
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