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ethidda Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Total posts: 468 Gender: Female |
 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Most things uploaded to Veoh are broken into < 1hr parts because of a Veoh limitation. Even though you can upload very long videos, if a video is over 1 hr long, only the first 5 minutes will stream.
I personally dislike streaming because it's way too troublesome.
First, there's the reencoding. Youtube has that 10 minute limit. Veoh has that hour long limit. If you didn't originally encode with their specifications--which you probably didn't for quality's sake--then you have to reencode. Most people don't realize how annoying encoding is.
Second, there is the sheer multitude of streaming sites. YouTube, Veoh, CR, tudou, and lots more. Everybody seems to have their preference. And pretty soon, even a dorm internet-connection is not enough.
Third, streaming only saves space because the quality of the file is worse and therefore the file is smaller. You still need to have the space while you're watching it. In terms of space, it is exactly the same as downloading a low quality video and then deleting it later. In fact, if you want to grab youtube videos, you can go find the file in your temp internet file folder and rename the extension...
Fourth, there's the age old problem of credits. The group either has to upload to streaming themselves (extra work) or someone outside the group has to upload it... then do they receive credit? They did SOME work... but it was not approved by the group. For this issue, I see it as fansubbing, though. If they keep a low profile, then nobody can stop them. But once they receive a cease and desist, then they should stop.
Fifth, it's too much trouble to figure out the specific reason when people decide to do something on streaming that a group doesn't like. So they just make a simple generalization: no streaming allows.
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foxtoastJoined: 14 May 2007 Total posts: 25 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Quote: | As for buying DVD for raws - who says 'nobody's done that for ages' ?
OMG... "All I'm saying is that subbers can't complain about streaming when it's the only way to get a certain series" I can't believe you actually typed that... serious hope you don't really believe it. |
Given that the majority of series currently posted to d-addicts are ripped straight from TV and posted, very often, within a few days of their original airing, nobody is buying DVDs in this equation. I do remember friends of mine buying $500 Laser Disc sets to subtitle anime way back when. That was a financial investment, and nowadays there is no need for it apart from feature films or old series (if groups choose to buy DVDs out of personal preference that's their business, but it's not mandatory and it's not nearly as common as it was. Several series that have DVD version subs currently posted also have TV versions from different groups).
I'm not a troll, unless disagreement makes one a troll. I very much respect the fact that subbers spend a lot of time on something that's marginally for their benefit and mostly for others. I've always respected do not redistribute requests and have only uploaded raws since srt files are easy to get. I largely forget about hardsubs in this equation because I usually only watch soft subs. If the sub groups that subbed the dramas I've watched streaming are upset about it, I wouldn't know since they're not around. (If they were, they should seed 'em, or post the address of their blog/page in the subtitles, or otherwise give fans a way of getting the file while it's no longer active.) I still don't see what's so hideously offensive about saying "I'll watch something streaming if it's the only way to get it". I really think y'all are over-estimating the laziness factor in this equation. A lot of it is lack of knowledge on P2P or inaccessability of the files in the first place.
There's also the issue of this being bootlegging and copyright infringement in the first place. Either method of delivery is completely, wholly illegal. One isn't any more or less of a legal pickle. YouTube may raise visibility by virtue of it being easier to stumble upon the files, but if there's a crackdown copyright holders aren't only going to go after the most visible infringers. sub groups also burn in "subbed by: ___" so it's not like translation credits are being wholly usurped by whoever uploads for streaming. And there's obviously no loss of profit, either, since it's fansubbing. If a group doesn't want a sub streamed then that should be respected, but it's quite different from theft.
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applebearJoined: 16 Oct 2006 Total posts: 52 Location: Florida Gender: Female |
| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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So, anyway...
Shadow Hexagram mentions IRC. I happen to really like IRC. Why isn't it used?
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jholicJoined: 03 Feb 2004 Total posts: 6278 Location: missin' hawaii Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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kamui6: i edited your post to make it easier to understand. for a while, i wasn't sure what was going on...._________________ Use THUMBS UP/DOWN buttons to KEEP or DELETE posts.
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IndieRockeretteJoined: 05 Jan 2007 Total posts: 223 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Against dramas and/or subs being streamed Post Rating: 0 |
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| hardy har har wrote: |
Ehh.. I don't buy it. Don't fansubbers go out of their way to credit themselves and everyone involved during the episode? I mean honestly, I don't understand the point of fansubbing then? Who's it for exactly? For the fans? For the fansubber ego? We all do give thanks when it's released to the Original Source and that's here at D-Addicts.com, shouldn't that be all that matters?
Is it really illegal to fansub? I think the illegal part is burning the original RAW file in the first place, correct me if I'm wrong. |
To answer your second question, groink already posted an answer for it:
| groink wrote: | | deadlyromio wrote: | | Is fansubbing illegal? I mean..if it really was that illegal then I'm sure this site would no longer exist. |
Few notes here:
1. Fansubbing is deemed illegal because the translation of a copyright protected work and distributing it without the consent of the copyright owner or licensee is deemed illegal.
2. D-Addicts hasn't been taken down because, up to now, we're still low-profile, and that we comply to the cease-desist letters when they do arrive. In comparison to Japanese anime sites, the anime sites are getting the cease-desist notices because of the over-exposure that anime is now experiencing. D-Addict has in the past received cease-desist notices - for movies and licensed Korean dramas. As a result, you no longer see either of them.
So once again, the best thing for all of us is to keep the fanworks off the streaming sites. In a strange way, the complexity of BitTorrent is actually an advantage for us. I'd rather make the accessibility of dramas difficult than to make it insanely easy and have everyone and their grandmother be able to download and play them.
--- groink |
I'll leave your first question for an actual subber to answer since I am not a subber and will only be answering it from my perspective.
People, please READ past posts before asking questions and/or posting.
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cutekidJoined: 02 Dec 2006 Total posts: 227 |
| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| fansubbing is really hard work, and i really appreciate all the people taking the time to sub for fans for free. i really do appreciate them. as much as possible i will support them
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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In case some people don't believe fansubbing is illegal:
Police arrest French teen over Potter translation
To correlate this story with what I've been writing all along: What makes fansubbing illegal is that the translation of a verbal or written work is still in the eyes of the law the property of the original work's owner. The idea behind this is that the physical translation is not what's at issue, but rather the ideas and the knowledge someone gets out of the translation is what's being given away. With Potter's book, the free French translated version basically gives away the entire story - and to the cost of the licensee who legally translated the book in French in terms of potential revenue.
--- groink
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ironicwaveJoined: 22 Mar 2004 Total posts: 887 Location: Germany Gender: Female |
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Kamui6Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Total posts: 775 |
| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| hardy har har wrote: |
Ehh.. I don't buy it. Don't fansubbers go out of their way to credit themselves and everyone involved during the episode? I mean honestly, I don't understand the point of fansubbing then? Who's it for exactly? For the fans? For the fansubber ego? We all do give thanks when it's released to the Original Source and that's here at D-Addicts.com, shouldn't that be all that matters?
Is it really illegal to fansub? I think the illegal part is burning the original RAW file in the first place, correct me if I'm wrong. |
Why fansubber actually take time out of their lives to do the work...
I can only answer using my own experience and what I've observe about the ppl I interact with.
I've always been part of JTV fansub... I don't know japanese therefore I can't translate. I do enjoy watching Jdramas... so it benifits me to have the series translated. While we are enjoying a series, others can enjoy as well. For example; someone loves a certain actress and her work, he goes out of his way to buy the R2 DVDs but he doesn't know the language. He says, can we work on this series. [Reason Motorae was one of our project] Another example, someone who's a translator says hey guys have you seen this series... I think other would enjoy it as much as I have, lets work on this series. I love this writers work. [That's how Kisarazu Cat's Eye became one of our projects]
There are times when it gets discouraging, since you're taking time out of your life to share something you enjoy but then you're meet with grief.
So what i am trying to say is, most of the time we are doing it for ourself and others._________________   |
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MissconceptionsJoined: 17 Aug 2007 Total posts: 3 Location: Taco bell baby Age: 20 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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With youtube and all other streaming sites do people not understand how many companies are cracking down on people. Especially Japan & with YA Ent with Korean dramas it just to much of a risk to have a video with over 30,000 hit on yt with you sub team name on it.
This really shouldn't even need to be discussed. I never really realized how ungrateful some people are. These people go out of their way to sub shows that you can't understand, the only thing they ask is that you don't redistribute them. Why is that so hard to understand?
Even if it doesn't make since to some, it's what's been asked by people who are subbing and helping everyone. Just follow the rules.
Oh, this wasn't to anyone in particular either. Just ranting.
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??! That person is a real IDIOT:cussing: !! I 100% respect fansubbers wishes if they don't want their work uploaded to a streaming site. I don't understand why people upload fansubbed series in the first place. I don't know what they get out of it, besides for the backlash from fansubbers. I wonder if they like the appreciation of those people who are too lazy to go download it for themselves.. the "omg I love you thank you soooo much!" probably gets to their head and makes them break the rules 
! They are putting our community at risk and really hurting fans who actually respect fansubbers rules 
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but i'll learn if someone teaches me!
