Against dramas and/or subs being streamed

Hey
Recently ive come to realise many people are against dramas being streamed or at the least having fan subbers subs streamed.
Can I ask why? I cant seem to think of an explination on my own so can someone explain to me?

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Actually, this has been discussed many times already.

Basicially, fansubbing is illegal itself. So if people stream our works, the fansubbers are at risk and so as d-addicts. Another thing, ppl even mess up the works we do to removing the fansubber logos off of the video. They degrade our quality.... by streaming it. Heh, I can go on and on, but I don't want to.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Several reasons:

1. Over-exposure. Fansubs ARE illegal in probably 95-percent of the world. Fansubbers generally do not what that kind of publicity. Better to keep things underground.

2. Credit. People who upload to streaming sites are receiving the credit for other people's work.

3. Quality. Regardless of what others say, re-ripping videos for streaming decreases video quality. Fansubbers don't appreciate re-rips - especially if their name is in the re-ripped video.

4. For profit. Sites like Crunchyroll are using fanworks to promote their own sites, and to even receive donations. These sites didn't make a single thing! Do you know for a fact that the donated money is being used 100-percent for the site? Same with YouTube and virtually any other streaming site. I don't see this practice any different from selling the videos on eBay.

--- groink

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I can see where your coming from but I myself cant bring myself to hate those who stream it.
I am in Japan at the moment without my own computer and im sure all you drama addicts know how difficult it is not to watch. So straming sites are really saving me, because the subs are being streamed it means I can watch dramas and understand even though I am currently unable to download. Normally I would watch it streamed because I agree the quality is so downgraded and I deffinatly dislike the fact that actual subbers arnt getting the credit but I need my drama fix and steaming is the only way I can get it!

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I don't think it's about hate but about preservation. Of course streaming sites can be quite convenient for us, mere leechers (myself having used them before when I couldn't wait one week or two for a single episode to download).
But as the uploaders above said, fansubbing is illegal, and streaming sites have drawn too much attention recently. And it would be really troublesome if some Japanese majors were to take actions against fansubs, d-addicts or uploaders in general just because of careless streamers.
The problem then is that are we to encourage streamers when we know the issues that are at stake or couldn't we just hold back and wait a bit longer, doing something else (like reading a book, doing some sport, having a drink...) while our torrents are slowly making their way through our hard-disk?

p.s: on a sidenote, I can also easily understand why some subbers can be pissed off when they see their efforts taken away somewhere else without their consent.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

i don't think the word hate should be used. it would be more appropriate if the word would be discouraged by the fansubbers.

as discussed before, fansubbing by itself is illegal and being posted in streaming site would mean being exposed to the owner/ copyrighter of the dramas. they can take legal actions for that...

second is the video is being downgraded. so you can't really enjoy the quality too.

its much better if you just download the video itself from torrents sites. or even much better buy the original disc just to support the owner.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Of course, I can understand a bit Yorokobi's problem, being in a foreign country with no computer of her own. But on the other hand, being in Japan means that she should be able to buy or rent the dvds or at least watch dramas on TV...

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

sure I can but I cant understand them because they have no subtitles. Of course I still watch them but it is not only Japanese dramas I want to see

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Is fansubbing illegal? I mean..if it really was that illegal then I'm sure this site would no longer exist.

My two cents about watching streams...hey...I don't have enough space on my hard drive and I don't want to spend days with my computer on acting as a personal heater in my room to download some stuff. So I'm all for streams as long as there free.

I use winamp tv, sonakbi.com, youtube.com, veoh.com, imeem.com for most of my streaming needs.

Crunchyroll and Aznv, yea, I don't like the idea of paying for something that's not even their's, no matter how they put it.

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

My opinion is, if the fansubbers are against their work being steamed then so am i. They are subbing these shows for free on their own time. So if they don't want their work streamed then we should respect that.

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

the key word here is "low-profile"

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

groink, I see some of your subtitles at streaming sites. I agree with fan-subbed dramas not being of streaming sites. If the dramas' affiliates see their dramas on streaming site and see people subbing them illegally, than none of us will get access to dramas because they'll have to take it down. You can always download them. I download/buy my dramas. Streaming sites have bad qualities.