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arielle7 Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Total posts: 63 Location: Earth Age: 20 Gender: Female |
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mybossmyheroJoined: 12 Jan 2007 Total posts: 28 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Yep, i will always support rain. Aja aja fighting
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I don't understand the logic behind this. In the document, you're saying that Bi shares no responsibility for the actions of his people. I totally disagree! I think ALL artists - regardless of who they are - are directly responsible for ALL of their people. Some may say that the artist has no control over what his people do, and I totally disagree with that as well. Against what most people would believe, Bi still does have power over his staff, and that he can basically fire and replace people. If somewhere down the road Bi lost control, that is 100-percent HIS FAULT.
My suggestion to Bi would be to start showing change by making changes in his staff and partnerships. IMHO artists are also leaders, and changes like these would show leadership. I'm seeing far too many celebrities use the "I'm totally dumbfounded, and I'm helpless" excuse. I actually think his fans are making up excuses for Bi, and I think that's ludicrous as well. Stop making excuses for the dude.
--- groink
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arielle7Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Total posts: 63 Location: Earth Age: 20 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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While I understand totally where you are coming from, I have to disagree with you to some point. This petition was not only for the concert cancellations, but also for the accusations brought against him about his namesake. That is where I disagree with you. On the other hand, I am still partly in the dark about why his concerts were cancelled, however artists DO have to leave the decisions up to management, especially when dealing with different countries. Policies may vary depending on what country or even state he performs in, so he needs to be able to trust his staff to be experts in what they do. Like in an interview I read, he was simpy "hired to perform". He doesn't need to know every aspect about stadium sizes or ticket sales or what-have-you, all he needs to know is that he wants to please his fans. Although I guarantee he will pay more attention so that these incidents won't occur in the future ^_~
I am just saying that as Bi's fans, we need to support him! I mean, this is his reputation on the line, and I don't think a few disputes about tickets and stuff need to hinder him from being the best pop star that he can be 
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| arielle7 wrote: | | This petition was not only for the concert cancellations, but also for the accusations brought against him about his namesake. |
I don't understand why you need a petition to support his name. In U.S. law, you're only allowed to use a trademark if either that trademark hasn't already been registered within the U.S., or you license the trademark from the party who registered the trademark. If the fans want to argue that the lawsuit is frivolous, then that is a matter the fans should be bringing up with U.S. lawmakers, NOT the guys who brought up the lawsuit.
If Bi was anything other than a musical artist, he wouldn't have this trademark issue. But because he uses "Rain" as a musician, that's where the conflict is regarding U.S. trademark law. Another example is Apple Computer. In the late 1980s, Apple Corps, the recording company formed by The Beatles, sued Apple Computer for the use of the trademark "apple" regarding music. The argument was that a computer could be used as a music recording device. Apple Corp and Apple Computer settled out of court, in that Apple Computer agreed not to use the name "apple" when it comes to music. But when the iPod was introduced several years ago, Apple Corp again sued Apple Computer because Apple Computer breached the "no music" agreement. And again, the two Apple's settled the dispute.
Another example is Puffy (conflict between the Japanese musical duo and Puff Daddy Combs). And hundreds of other examples.
Once again, it makes no logical sense to argue that Rain of Nevada has no right to sue Rain the Korean musician. It is very clear under U.S. law that you cannot use a trademark registered by someone else when working in the same industry. If Rain came to America as a book author, a burger flipper, or anything else other than a musician, he wouldn't have this lawsuit hanging over him. Bi and his people should have done the due diligence by researching ALL markets around the world for trademark conflicts BEFORE entering the market.
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arielle7Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Total posts: 63 Location: Earth Age: 20 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Quote: | | I don't understand why you need a petition to support his name. |
Oh no, I didn't start the petition, I am just getting the word out. (don't shoot the messenger  ) It was my understanding that these were the two reasons the petition was started. I also know that the petition is not for the guys who brought up the lawsuit, but to support Rain and to be used in court should the need arise.
| Quote: | | The Beatles, sued Apple Computer for the use of the trademark "apple" regarding music. |
God, the Beatles are just suing everyone aren't they... 
Back to the topic at hand, I am not an expert on trademark-protocol, nor will I claim to be. I will just have to take your word on most of this information. However, I still believe that Rain is innocent and should not be blamed for the negligence of his management. If JYP was in the industry way before Rain and "showed him the ropes" if you will about the entertainment business, then HE should have known to research this kind of stuff ahead of time, especially since he has experience in the AMERICAN market! I don't know how this will be settled in court, because after all, the Rain of Nevada DID have that name first, but lawyers have been known to take petitions as character evidence and popularity claims, so the petition is here for them to use, whatever the need may be.
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