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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 2 connections   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Got a question on this:
1. I've been using Newsbin for a while, it automatically suck everything posted to a newsgroup. But how can I ensure I don't waste time downloading stuff that I don't need/want? I.e. doramas dubbed in Thai and subbed in Norwegian, say?

2. Seems like my ISP only keeps a few days of Usenet. For doramas this could be fatal as I'll end up with episodes 1-12 but missing 8... Is the only solution to subscribe to a commercial server? Or just go back to BT?


delsxyz wrote:
2 Connections is normal.
What it means is that if you are downloading 2 files and then
you tried to retrieve headers, it becomes 3. So retrieve header
function dies (as in Server Connection failed. 2 connections/node)

How about commercial servers?
ex (Copy and paste from one of commercial servers' FAQ)
3. How many concurrent connections am I allowed?
Newshosting allows 8 connection from the same IP on our standard accounts. The unlimited accounts are limited to 4 connections from the same IP.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I haven't used Newsbin, but if it allows you to setup download filters, then you should be set. There's a freeware
program Binary News Reaper that has download filters capability. You can filter for subject title, author name,
generic words like "rar' or whatever. BNR also can refresh the headers at any time interval you like and
automatically perform the download filters and download what you specified.

Of course with your ISP news, you must leave your computer on and run BNR 24/7, setup refresh interval like
every 4 to 6 hours in order to catch everything .
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:53 pm    Post subject: Newsgroups?   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

hey girls/ guys.

i just found out about the newsgroup stuff with grabit and all. Was wondering if there was a particular one i should subscribe too for drama (korean or japanese).

thank you Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: 2 connections   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

seneschal wrote:
Got a question on this:
1. I've been using Newsbin for a while, it automatically suck everything posted to a newsgroup. But how can I ensure I don't waste time downloading stuff that I don't need/want? I.e. doramas dubbed in Thai and subbed in Norwegian, say?

2. Seems like my ISP only keeps a few days of Usenet. For doramas this could be fatal as I'll end up with episodes 1-12 but missing 8... Is the only solution to subscribe to a commercial server? Or just go back to BT?


delsxyz wrote:
2 Connections is normal.
What it means is that if you are downloading 2 files and then
you tried to retrieve headers, it becomes 3. So retrieve header
function dies (as in Server Connection failed. 2 connections/node)

How about commercial servers?
ex (Copy and paste from one of commercial servers' FAQ)
3. How many concurrent connections am I allowed?
Newshosting allows 8 connection from the same IP on our standard accounts. The unlimited accounts are limited to 4 connections from the same IP.



I don't quite follow your 1st question. What do you mean newsbin downloads all the files? Are you talking about headers? Headers are NOT the actual file itself. As for filtering headers you can fill the "find" bar on the top to filter the headers while they are downloading but I don't think (or am not aware) of a way you can ONLY download filtered headers. I really don't see the big problem anyway. Headers are very small and they hardly take any space.

2nd.) I don't know about the rest of you but I don't think usenet is a good source to find asian dramas. It isn't very active so far I've seen. It is good to use "on the side" and you can find what you missed on torrents. As for me I use charter and I have to say charter is pretty good. 44k cap and about 10 days of retention. I have taught 2 of my friends on how to use this free service. As for me 44k is too damn slow so I go with one of the commercial service. My 3 meg pipeline is maxxed out 24/7 and I'm loving every minute of it. Tongue

Here are other sites that are nice for usenet.

www.newzbin.com (This site index alot of the stuff on usenet and it is pretty damn nice. Its not free though. You have to pay 2 dollars a month to use it. Its worth every penny for me. I know there are free index downloading sites on the net but most of them are quite horrible.)

http://www.omni-forums.com/ This is a great forum to go to request and look at upcoming uploads of Anime and Asian movies DVD ISOs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:54 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Darvil wrote:
I don't quite follow your 1st question. What do you mean newsbin downloads all the files? Are you talking about headers? Headers are NOT the actual file itself. As for filtering headers you can fill the "find" bar on the top to filter the headers while they are downloading but I don't think (or am not aware) of a way you can ONLY download filtered headers. I really don't see the big problem anyway. Headers are very small and they hardly take any space.

Actually, seneschal is sort-of correct on the "downloading everything" statement. He has the "Automatic Download" (ctrl-T) feature enabled. With it enabled, it'll start downloading everything off all the newsgroups he has listed and checked off. This is probably his preference, so we have to consider that. I know of several other people who do the same thing, so this technique isn't that unusual.

Along that line, you can filter out certain types of dramas based on the content of the subject header, the name of the poster, among other parameters. For example, in my Newsbin Pro configuration, I filter out all occurances of "C-Sub" so that I don't have to look at them. Other than Chinese and English subs, I haven't seen any Japanese dramas posted with subs in any other language in quite awhile, so for now you should be safe. Most of the posters are quite good about keeping their subject headers consistent for filtering purposes. ap, for example, uses the string "[e-sub]" on anything he posts that include English subtitles. Consistency on the subject headers make filtering much easier.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

You're right, that's what I meant.
When you first get Newsbin the default is to automatically download all the files. The reason for that is so you can run it on autopilot, say while you're sleeping.

I'm sure the filter can be programmed but I guess it's still not 100%. The main point is not getting all parts and episodes of a 300-700 MB file. That could be a pain. I've decided to stick to BT for now.

groink wrote:

Actually, seneschal is sort-of correct on the "downloading everything" statement. He has the "Automatic Download" (ctrl-T) feature enabled. With it enabled, it'll start downloading everything off all the newsgroups he has listed and checked off. This is probably his preference, so we have to consider that. I know of several other people who do the same thing, so this technique isn't that unusual.

Along that line, you can filter out certain types of dramas based on the content of the subject header, the name of the poster, among other parameters. For example, in my Newsbin Pro configuration, I filter out all occurances of "C-Sub" so that I don't have to look at them. Other than Chinese and English subs, I haven't seen any Japanese dramas posted with subs in any other language in quite awhile, so for now you should be safe. Most of the posters are quite good about keeping their subject headers consistent for filtering purposes. ap, for example, uses the string "[e-sub]" on anything he posts that include English subtitles. Consistency on the subject headers make filtering much easier.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

seneschal wrote:
You're right, that's what I meant.
When you first get Newsbin the default is to automatically download all the files. The reason for that is so you can run it on autopilot, say while you're sleeping.

I'm sure the filter can be programmed but I guess it's still not 100%. The main point is not getting all parts and episodes of a 300-700 MB file. That could be a pain. I've decided to stick to BT for now.



It defaults that way when you first install it? Thats surprising because it doesn't do that for me. I have to add to the download list for it to do that. It doesn't default that way for all the other times I've installed it on my friends computers either. Regardless that would be a nightmare if it automatically does that.

I've never had a problem not getting enough parts. Most posters are good about putting par files on there which is great for that 1 or 2 parts that are missing or are corrupted. You kinda also have to know whats about to get posted.. but as long as you do it wouldn't be a problem. For example I know that aznv is going to post the last part of Emperor of the Sea on a.b.mm.k soon. Anticipating it big time. Tongue

Perhaps your ISP isn't very good about keeping binary files either. I know some friends on the east coast where they get only 2 days of rentention on binary files (but they get about 100k dl).. that is quite horrible. Sometime files can be missing and stuff.. in that case I suppose you should just avoid it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Not sure what the retention policy of my ISP is, but for the binary groups I think it's quite low. Manyfiles would go missing a part.

Darvil wrote:
seneschal wrote:
You're right, that's what I meant.
When you first get Newsbin the default is to automatically download all the files. The reason for that is so you can run it on autopilot, say while you're sleeping.

I'm sure the filter can be programmed but I guess it's still not 100%. The main point is not getting all parts and episodes of a 300-700 MB file. That could be a pain. I've decided to stick to BT for now.



It defaults that way when you first install it? Thats surprising because it doesn't do that for me. I have to add to the download list for it to do that. It doesn't default that way for all the other times I've installed it on my friends computers either. Regardless that would be a nightmare if it automatically does that.

I've never had a problem not getting enough parts. Most posters are good about putting par files on there which is great for that 1 or 2 parts that are missing or are corrupted. You kinda also have to know whats about to get posted.. but as long as you do it wouldn't be a problem. For example I know that aznv is going to post the last part of Emperor of the Sea on a.b.mm.k soon. Anticipating it big time. Tongue

Perhaps your ISP isn't very good about keeping binary files either. I know some friends on the east coast where they get only 2 days of rentention on binary files (but they get about 100k dl).. that is quite horrible. Sometime files can be missing and stuff.. in that case I suppose you should just avoid it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I'm confused... Neutral I'm on sbcglobal's usenet server and I can't find ABJR...

Is it not on every server? I really want to find it because I want the Trick movie. *hee hee hee* Big Smile

Thanx!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I think you mean ABMJR - alt.binaries.multimedia.japanese.repost

Yes, ABMJR is a common newsgroup and will be carried by most commercial news providers. I would think that SBC should also
carry this group. Try doing a refresh or redownload of the newsgroups. Also sort the newsgroup names alphabetically. There's been
a few groups I thought I didn't have until I did an alphabetical sort and then I found my so-called missing groups.

Just so you know, I am not on SBC, so I can't verify that they carry ABMJR or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

If your usenet service doesn't carry a newsgroup you want, like alt.binaries.multimedia.japanese, a request via email or telephone will usually result in getting it added.

Retention will only start at that point. But at least you'll have access to it.

M.G
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:09 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Anyone know where is the forums for alt.binaries.multimedia.chinese?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Not all usenet providers will carry all newsgroups. Are you using your ISP news or commercial news? I have 2 commercial news accounts and one does not carry abmc and the other one does. So you might have to request your news provider to add abmc or go with a good commercial news like giganews, newshosting, easynews. BTW, once you get abmc, you will find many good things there.... meaning time to upgrade your hard drives because you'll be downloading many things. Laugh
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

pappi wrote:
Not all usenet providers will carry all newsgroups. Are you using your ISP news or commercial news? I have 2 commercial news accounts and one does not carry abmc and the other one does. So you might have to request your news provider to add abmc or go with a good commercial news like giganews, newshosting, easynews. BTW, once you get abmc, you will find many good things there.... meaning time to upgrade your hard drives because you'll be downloading many things. Laugh


I know how to download but i was wondering. Is this the forums for alt.binaries.multimedia.chinese . Like all the news upload going to upload they will say in forums and discuss what do upload. what will be upload soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

JustMeAndYou wrote:
I know how to download but i was wondering. Is this the forums for alt.binaries.multimedia.chinese . Like all the news upload going to upload they will say in forums and discuss what do upload. what will be upload soon.

Unless there is a "dot-d" newsgroup associated with the "binaries" newsgroup, both binaries and discussions (announcements on what will be uploaded, re-upload requests, etc.) are acceptable in the same newsgroup.

For example:

alt.binaries.multimedia.chinese

would be a binaries newsgroup. If there was a discussion newsgroup associated with it, it would be:

alt.binaries.multimedia.chinese.d

Usually, even the crappiest of news services will carry the dot-d newgroups.

As for what is allowed in a certain newsgroup... Best thing to do is to subscribe to a.b.m.c and a.b.m.c.d (if it exists), and then seek out and read the FAQ documents. I don't subscribe to a.b.m.c, so I don't know if a FAQ even exists. If there are no FAQs to be found, just read the existing posts to get a feel of what is being accepted as proper conduct on the newsgroup.

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