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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

bmwracer wrote:

Some of the English subs bugged me: they flashed on the screen way too fast and the font color was hard to read... :pale:


I'm the subber.
Can you tell me exactly where?
Which player are you using?

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Just finished Episode 1. A very good start to the series and I was quite impressed with Abe and all the top notch actors in this drama. Chuks, thanks for the high quality subs. arigatou! On the first pass, I only saw three minor typos. Otherwise, had no issues with the timing of the subs or the color. They were easy to read tor me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Chuks wrote:
bmwracer wrote:

Some of the English subs bugged me: they flashed on the screen way too fast and the font color was hard to read... pale


I'm the subber.
Can you tell me exactly where?
Which player are you using?

What seemed to flash by the screen to quickly was the information at the top of the screen... The dialog was okay.

I'm not using a software player: I hardsub the video so I can watch the dramas on my TV. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

bmwracer wrote:

What seemed to flash by the screen to quickly was the information at the top of the screen... The dialog was okay.

I'm not using a software player: I hardsub the video so I can watch the dramas on my TV. :)


I thought my intention for notes is easily understood , but I guess not.
I'll also explain it on my thread later.
The note is for additional information, so it's timed short for people who actually
are interested in reading them. You have to pose the video to read them.
I don't like leaving notes on the screen for long time since it's distracting,
and my notes are long.
The note shouldn't affect to understand subs.
When viewers need to read them to understand the subs, I usually time it longer.

Thanks for the nice comment, hiroshi.
I thought I QCed it carefully, but I guess I wasn't careful enough.:p
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Chuks wrote:
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So, I gather that in the Galileo books, Yukawa helps Kaga and not Utsumi? Utsumi was inevented for the drama?? And what about Kusanagi???


Utsumi's character is just for the drama.
Kusanagi is supposed to be Kaga. Even though Kitamura looks noting like Kaga.


Ok, now I understand the all plot Cool Thanks very much, Chuks, for these explanations. I now wonder: can there be such a comical character as Utsumi in a Japanese detective story? Books are soooo serious!
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:01 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Chuks: Great high quality subs once again. Impeccable QC. And thanks for the side explanations. I learned something new.

Great to see Abe Hiroshi and Natsukawa Yui reunited in this episode. They were terrific together in Kekkon Dekinai Otoko.
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:48 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

To Chuks:

Thanks very much for your subs. I love them! Somehow the translates convey as much emotion and power it does to the ongoing dialog. That's all it matters for me.

Since I don't know hicks about translation process, I'm always super grateful to those who put time to do so for people who love jdramas like me Big Smile

Sadly I read a lot of comments of people bashing about dramas being boring or actors being terrible... i'm sure in this time and era, everyone's trying their best and working hard. It's bloody competitive out there!

And I'm sure Chuks is giving your best with the translation! Ganbarre and arigato. m(-__-)m
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

maybe one factor why some are saying this is boring because there is no sense of urgency. If you've watched cop jdramas then you'll have realized that there is always the cliche of being urgent.

go to station scene "we got a call that some prick got shot!" cut scene to 1 billion policemen running out of the station door, stumping their feet, shouting, entering their cars, you get the drift. That always make me laugh hehe

Anyway, in ep 2 I was kinda hoping to see a Kekkon dekinai (favorite/tensai) moment between Abe and Natsukawa Yui moment and I think I did at the restaurant scene when they were arguing, sweet!

re boring: Its not exploding in momentum, but not crawling to be boring either. It has a steady tempo and from what I have seen so far, definitely worth the watch.
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Thanks for the nice comments about my subs. :)

I think if you start looking at this drama as an humane drama, not as a crime drama,
you might start appreciate the detailed story lines.
The salesman who tries to help out the client's family, the wife who cannot accuse her
husband's cheating in fear of losing control, the battle between in-laws.
Those things are happening in Japan regular basis so people can relate to them.
In fact, when I read arguments Japanese are making regarding this drama on-line,
many people pointed out the same thing.

I mean that's what Higashino Keigo is good at.
Most of his novels are more focused on "why people commit crimes" instead of "how to solve
crimes."

Edit: While I was subbing Ep03, I realized at the press conference scene,
the police announces the suspect of the case from one of Higashino's novel. (Akai Yubi. Kaga also solves the case.)
It's kinda cool to see the screenwriters actually did their homework.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Chuks wrote:

I think if you start looking at this drama as an humane drama, not as a crime drama,
you might start appreciate the detailed story lines.
The salesman who tries to help out the client's family, the wife who cannot accuse her
husband's cheating in fear of losing control, the battle between in-laws.
Those things are happening in Japan regular basis so people can relate to them.
In fact, when I read arguments Japanese are making regarding this drama on-line,
many people pointed out the same thing.

I mean that's what Higashino Keigo is good at.
Most of his novels are more focused on "why people commit crimes" instead of "how to solve
crimes."


That's exactly what I think, and why I decided to follow this drama. On a side note, I too appreciate your subs and their quality, and for that I thank you profusely Wub I also appreciate your comments in this particular thread, not many subbers do so (mainly because their work is team-work, whereas this series is your particular project, and one that you personnaly love).
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

This will be the cover of the theme song by Yamashita Tatsuro

街物語(まちものがたり) ~ 山下達郎
Streets (Story Town) ~ Yamashita Tatsuro

Release date is June 2, 2010



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I also agree that it's a bit boring for a mystery series. The suspense factor is pretty non-existant making it seem like a regular human drama like someone mentioned above. And it's pretty frustrating that so far the cases presented have no relation to the main case. Or maybe it's too early for me to say that and somehow they'd tie it up all together in the end? Whistling Will still be checking out episode 3 when the subs come out though.

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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

First of all, thanks for the subs for Eps 1 & 2, Chuks Smile. That's what got me into the series.

I'm quite liking Abe Hiroshi's acting in this series, and the story is quite interesting Smile.

Chuks, I'm not sure if you're still working on subbing Eps 3 and 4 (now that it's out), so I went ahead and started subbing Ep 3 on my own... I don't have too much time, and progress is rather slow, timing is a pain in the butt and this is actually my first ever subtitling experience.

If anyone with timing experience with Aegis subs want to partner up, then hit me up Smile (in fact, you don't even have to know any Japanese... You can just do the timing in Aegis Smile). I have about 11 minutes of Ep 3 subbed so far, if anyone is interested in checking it out, here it is (attached).

EDIT: Uploaded a slightly newer version with 15 minutes subbed:


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Actually on the 1st message of the English sub, Chuks status on ep3 is done translating and it's being edited. Ep4 is being timed.

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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

XrayMind wrote:
Actually on the 1st message of the English sub, Chuks status on ep3 is done translating and it's being edited. Ep4 is being timed.
Oh, okay, that's cool. I guess I can just chillax and sit tight, then Smile.
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