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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

here is the OST if anyone needs it: http://www.badongo.com/file/11199176

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maakopla wrote:
here is the OST if anyone needs it: http://www.badongo.com/file/11199176


thanks for the OST salut
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garnet07 wrote:
You can direct download the episodes at >> http://nhatkyviet.com/2008/08/26/east-of-eden-k-drama-song-seung-hun-yun-jung-hoon-park-hae-jin-lee-da-hae-lee-yeon-hee-han-ji-hye-dennis-oh-jo-min-ki/



thanks for the links.. but i cant dl from megaupload.. it seems that the connection tht i have does not allow downloading from megaupload.. pale
do u know anywhere else i can dl the show.. from sendspace or filesend or filefactory etc?
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You can get no MU links from here but uploading's gonna be somewhat slow, maybe LINK

Anyways, I watched 2 first episode and this drama sucks. Every scene looks fake, acting is nothing and script sucks. Many converstations are over long. I knew to wait something like this. btw. Is it supposed to look like Soviet Union or World War 2? All those fancy cars and stuff...

I knew that plot is nothing special but so far it has been kinda boring. First episode was so fast paced and second slowed down too much. They needed 1 whole episode to kill someone?!! Then 30 minutes long mourning time? It started even before that person was dead. The balance is totally off.

On top on everything every scene looks like they are doing camera shots. People posing all around... going from one scene to another doesn't look smooth at all. I knew East of Eden is gonan be just a star wehicle but to this extend. So far even the starts have disappointed me! This totally reeks of Hollywood <_<

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I was actually planning to watch the first 2 episodes to help me decide whether it's worth going the full 50, but heh, after reading your thoughts my interest in this series has waned quite a bit. Have you seen eps 3 & 4 though? Ratings seems to have improved dramatically.
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To be very honest, I'm disappointed that there isn't new plot and they're just reworking on a old novel/movie.

If it turns out well, however... well... D:

Also, Song Seunghyun is great actor, so I'm not worried too much.

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kobe23 wrote:
I was actually planning to watch the first 2 episodes to help me decide whether it's worth going the full 50, but heh, after reading your thoughts my interest in this series has waned quite a bit. Have you seen eps 3 & 4 though? Ratings seems to have improved dramatically.


I'm waiting for the subs so I haven't seen ep 3 and 4 yet. I really hope that younger cast is good though Lee Dan Hee... she sucks (no offence My Girl fans but I hated her because she doesn't know how to act).

You should still watch it yourself to check if you like it. You never know but I highly suspect you won't like it.

Dennis Oh will appear in following episodes <3 at least 1 hot guy^^ And well Yun Jung Hoon is pretty charming too, his acting is ok. (please do not look at wikipedia picture) I really like Park Gun Tae too, he already appeared at the end of ep2 and boy did I feel at ease when I saw him. This little guy's acting is superb and he is cute <3 I'm also looking forward Lee Yeon Hee, I really like her. I dunno about Song Seung Hun because I have never seen him in a drama before. But I have heard lotsa good about him so. My expectations aren't that high in the first place... but these are the ones I'm counting on.

Well, you know how in some dramas beginnings can be boring? I really hope this is one of those. But I am pretty sure that this is gonna flop like Lobbyist did. But Lobbyist was very lovable flop, I really loved that drama for some reason. Great cast, good ost and Harry + his gang (not actually fun but really fun) So if bad acting is gonna continue in the future East of Eden will turn my life into hell because since I started I just have to finish. At least a good cast can save drama from bad screenwriting so let's just pray.

I just checked the ratings. heh, they are nothing! At least better than Chil Woo got, die KBS2! Crazy East of Eden will never beat Gourmet!! Go Kim Rae Won, show them all who's the daddy! Alcoholic But well, that slight improvement is waking hopes in me.

I'm curious to hear your rants when you have watched first episodes Kobe23 Big Smile

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I am pretty sure this drama won't flop..in its second week it almost beat Gourmet in the ratings and next week they should easily break the 20%. So like it or not this one is a winner for MBC (rating wise).
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We will see that.

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i watched the 2 first episodes too and, like Maakopla, have to admit that it is painfully dull so far. but, that is just the beginning and the main cast will not be introduced until episode 4.
anyways, it is true that the starting script made me wonder why they planned 50 episodes.
if it doesn't go deeper than that, that drama will be really boring and draggy.
technically speaking, it is also true that the cinematography is a bit disappointing since i am currently watching the director prior drama (La Dolce Vita) that has some of the most beautiful shot i saw in a drama (the shots in Hokkaido). here, most of the scenes look visually fake and the actors are indeed, bad. some things are so overdone that it becomes painful (i can't stand that sign the boy & his father do all the time they have a scene together and that ends the 2nd episode. wth ? is it the only thing they found to make us understand they like each other and have a close relationship ?)
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Episode 1

Oooh really mixed about the episode.

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I LOVED the portion of the story that covered the coal mining community, and the very struggle between the union organizer Lee Gi Chul and President Shin Tae Hwan. (Worth noting that Jo Min Ki, who plays Shin Tae Hwan, also played Yong-ee's biological father in Iljimae.)

The writing took care to ground their conflict in the real bleak details of the mining life rather than pity histrionics, using the refrain of a coal miner's song, the plum blotched bruises on the shoulders of every single miner, birds in a cage to help signal when the air in the mine was poisonous, etc. More than that, the acting between Min Ki and Jong Won (Dong Chul's father Gi Chul), is nicely played and modulated. Jong Wong has a way of using a smile to convey different shades of amusement, embarassment, and warmth, which he does here too to give texture to his relationship with family. And then it sets up how this everyman Gi Chul then shifts into a quietly charismatic and truly strong man when he confronts the Shin Tae Hwan. And it's well directed, the scene allowed to evolve and play without music or too tight closeups to "lead" the viewer.

If I'm not mistaken, Go Doo Shim (More Beautiful than a Flower) plays Gi Chul's wife. She was the best written character; HER character felt absolutely authentic, like the gritty, unsentimental, rough but definitely "salt of the earth" values of her coal mining town was expressed through her. The acting performance was funny without being silly, and her scenes with Jong Won regarding infidelities, his "hobby" as an activist and other things plays like a real marraige.

I like Kim Jin Man more as an actor's director and less as a stylist. Which is to say, he's definitely a stylist, with the way he likes to mess around with color filtering and do scene-in-scene edits and splits to introduce characters and foreshadow plot points. On one hand, his style differs a lot from other K-drama TV directors in that he generally doesn't like to construct a scene for emotional impact.

Rather more like a good Korean film director, he forces you to piece together the narrative thread and to observe the actual acting in the characters, even if you're not necessarily understanding what the scene actually is. Sometimes this more naturalistic approach makes people's performance seem better than they would otherwise be, because you become extra-sensitive to the cadences and nuances of the actors. And also he doesn't waste time lingering on a shot to hone in on emotional impact. It's more demanding on the viewer, and at times it makes the weakness in the first episode's script more obvious. But, at the same time, it gives the coal mining town scenes the gritty vibe that it needs without turning it into a pity-party history lesson.

On the other hand, as a stylist, I just don't like his style very much (though there's an early use of fade to black with Song Seung Heung which works beautifully.) That includes Bittersweet Life/Le Dolce Vita and Ireland. At times, he approaches it as a powerpoint presentation, using visuals and such to clarify story. But at the same time, it almost makes the presentation kinda cheesy because he isn't using the special effects to create a poetic sequence or underline an emotion. Often, it's not even there to really convey mood.

That becomes more problematic for the other 50% of the episode. The opening action sequence is competently done, but it isn't as fun as it should be. The establishing shots of the coal mining shots look kinda fake. There's a bunch of pregnancies with a bunch of mothers that happened roughly at the same time; we have no clue who is who. Nor we do really care all that much. So, yeah, you have switched babies, aborted babies, weeping mothers, and a foreshadowing of the main character's father, but you're also kinda "ehhh, so what?" Part of it is the messy, all-the-over-map writing that dilutes the slice of 1961 in the coal mining community. But, really, part of it is these moments are only worth a damn when a director is willing to milk the emotional melodrama. Not here though. The piles of suffering just kinda happen in succession and you're trying to process who is who only because you know this show is 50 episodes and has a convoluted family tree. It's tedious work, kind of a character accounting.

So, even though there's lots of action bits, lots of melodrama bits, lots of bleaky, gritty bits, and lots of mano-a-mano details, the first episode really is kinda dull, distant, and at times kinda cheesy/shlocky for the matching budget. But there's still bits here and there, and the acting seems overall better quality to suggest the story has potential, if nothing else but to promise Song Seung Heon's best performance on TV or film.




Episode 2

I guess it's clearer why they called this East of Eden. The original novel was Steinbeck's adaptation of Cain and Abel, and it looks like the core story of this drama will be whether Lee Dong Chul can accept being his (biological) brother's keeper.

Episode 2 is emotionally exhausting. As maakopla says, a key character dies and that part of the story is a continuous 20-30 minutes. I'm not sure how many people here have seen Ireland, but it's the same director and the same approach to human grief. In other words, people are genuinely hysterical, and there's a mix of grief, hatred, regret, and love that plays out during those scenes.

I like the story so far. It's not especially original, but as long as they focus on the coal mining town details and keep the acting, it's still engaging.

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I think Go Doo Shim is definitely the character playing Lee Dong Chul's mother. And anyway, this character absolutely owns this episode, with the realness of her performance as well as the quality of her dialogue. It was all very, very well done. Thought the funeral scene was very well done, from how Lee Dong Chul's mother .

And it has to be said -- Lee Dong Gul's dad gets around. When it's revealed that he bore children with both women, part of you goes "WTF?!?!?!? Are we supposed to grieve over this jerk?!?" And in any case, that means that through Episodes 1 and 2, there have been a total of four births (one presumably aborted), and at least one switched birth.

There's not much more to add here. I like the cinematography here in this episode more, and the director's choices in colour contrasts. I also really liked how the director depicted the culture of the mining town (and even the funeral procession was well done) and paid attention to how grim this life really is.

I haven't paid much attention to the family tree diagram, so I'm still waiting on who will be the Lee Dae Hae and Han Ji Hye characters.



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I am pretty sure this drama won't flop..in its second week it almost beat Gourmet in the ratings and next week they should easily break the 20%. So like it or not this one is a winner for MBC (rating wise).


I think it's about expectations. The MBC promotion behind EofE is perhaps even more than what was given to the Legend last year, and for this show to be a real success, it needs to flirt with national drama status (i.e. ~30.) One problem is the casting. In order to drive ratings into the high 20s, they need to connect with the traditional ajumma viewership, but majority of the main casting is really young or relatively new. Lee Dae Hae, Han Ji Hye, and Park Hae Jin were all leads in KBS daily dramas, so that might have gone into their choices.

However, East of Eden won't have much competition until late fall. Tazza may end up being good or really, really, really bad.

It's worth noting again that this director is known as an actor's director. Song Seung Heon needs to deliver the best performance of his career in order for the drama to fly, but I've seen SSH in tough guy roles and he's actually good. Part of his acting issues -- as with SHK -- is that they're often associated with roles that IMO weren't well suited them. So for SSH to play a guy who's tortured yet bad ass is probably the way to go. And we should expect this to be LDH's best performance as well, as long as they ground her reputation as a weep queen.
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(i can't stand that sign the boy & his father do all the time they have a scene together and that ends the 2nd episode. wth ? is it the only thing they found to make us understand they like each other and have a close relationship ?)

I felt the same way. It was kinda fake and stupid. When Dong Chul did that thing at his dad's funerals I started laughing. I know it was supposed to be "oh, so touching" but it looked just stupid.

ooh, bellez. I was waiting for you. Just a couple of days ago I was wondering if you will watch this stuff and if no then, that's a pity. Glad to see you here. You always write such great rants!!

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If I'm not mistaken, Go Doo Shim (More Beautiful than a Flower) plays Gi Chul's wife. She was the best written character; HER character felt absolutely authentic, like the gritty, unsentimental, rough but definitely "salt of the earth" values of her coal mining town was expressed through her. The acting performance was funny without being silly, and her scenes with Jong Won regarding infidelities, his "hobby" as an activist and other things plays like a real marraige.

Dramawiki says it's Lee Mi Sook who plays Gi Chul's wife. She is pretty! I feel like she is best of them too. At first i found her rather annoying but I learned to like her because I definitely felt that her acting was more real than anyone's else's. Though when I first saw her I only needed 5 seconds to understand what kind of character she's gonna be. While I looked at her wolfing that food down I immediately knew she is gonna be a woman who finds it very hard to express her feelings, someone who may seem very rude with bad temper. But of course the script will let us see that she actually loves her husband so much and yada yada. I don't mind cliches, what isn't cliche nowadays? But you have to use them right to make them look good. Then there is this "We are soo poor please pity us" part. GAH! To tell the truth I'm sick of it. I know that being poor is not enjoyable but where is the pride of these people?!

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(Worth noting that Jo Min Ki, who plays Shin Tae Hwan, also played Yong-ee's biological father in Iljimae.)

I actually liked him more in Iljimae. That role suited him so much better. He is supposed to be the real badass of the drama but to me he isn't bad enough, he loos too kind. I want to see some real glaring and stuff, I want his character to be more msyterious. I dunno, a person with cold heart and good brains and lotsa plotting, plotting and plotting. Then again, is he supposed to be that bad? Isn't it only the pressure of his wife's father that drives him do these nasty things? Od are these dirty things he does now the reason why he will become even worse in the future?

Did anyone else think that chasing scene in ep 1 was rather unrealistic, to h*ll with unrealistic, lets just say stupid. The guy seriously couldn't drive at all. He is trying to shake some gangsters away but he turns left and right, then brakes, then left and right and then brakes again. wtf?! + SSH doing fancy tricks with his bike (like saving that lady, I was like "Oh please" Korean superman #4 has appeared. /1st is the real superman, 2nd is Harry from Lobbyist, 3rd is Goni from Tazza/ lol)

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There's a bunch of pregnancies with a bunch of mothers that happened roughly at the same time; we have no clue who is who. Nor we do really care all that much.

Yeah, I can somehow, just somehow understand Dong Chul's mom, nurse and Tae Hwan's wife since it was very, very important thing considered the plot. (but presented overly dramatically maybe?)
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Mad nurse trying to strangle newborn baby with lightnings and hard rain on the background... Then she decided to switch it with mohawk baby xD The babies were WAY too big to be newborn my guess is that they were about 1 year old. I know they cannot use newborn babies but what about even a bit smaller or something. Or how about instead of styling their hair just shave it off?


But that train station man's daughter was a bit too much. I mean, she appeared out of nowhere, she wasn't introduced well enough and we should care for her? She had maybe 2 scenes, and she just wept and it was oh so dramatic.

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However, East of Eden won't have much competition until late fall. Tazza may end up being good or really, really, really bad.

That's true. Let's hope Tazza's gonna be good and sweep All In from the earth. I mean, lotsa gambling please and no corny love relationships! If it's gonna be as good as the movie was, no, I wish it would be better... then I'm gonan be SOOO HAPPY! And the cast seems promising to me! I think the greater competitor for Tazza is Beethoven Virus, though genres are totally different.

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And we should expect this to be LDH's best performance as well, as long as they ground her reputation as a weep queen.

Let's pray together. I have no expectations from her. I just wish she has gotten better and her role is well written. If she hasn't gotten better at least a well written role might save her somehow.

East of Eden has one great point. At least we can rant about it and rant and rant and rant. I love that part the most. You know, there are plenty dramas that you have nothing to say about.

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. While I looked at her wolfing that food down I immediately knew she is gonna be a woman who finds it very hard to express her feelings, someone who may seem very rude with bad temper


See, it's not just that. Her ajuhmma character perfectly expresses a type of woman of that time and therefore the working-class character of 1961 South Korea. The way she coarsely curses her husband and son and her fate is just a perfect characterization. The way she walks out of the hospital with her baby barely a day after giving a birth and goes for the alkie. Now, that's a REAL Korean!! Big Smile

It's something that I wish the writers better correlated, though -- how her kind of hard character was a nececarry byproduct of that environment, where death by accident could happen any given day, where every wage worker came back with black in their lungs, and where their entire livelihood was indebted to The Company. The adultery situation, the dangerous nature of her husband's work, the limits of her own professional status, she's about surviving all. As is her community. In spite of the hellish conditions of their hardship, there is solidarity, there is still communal bonds, there is still hope in their children.

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know that being poor is not enjoyable but where is the pride of these people?!


Nah, I disagree with that. I see enormous pride with these people (but the stereotypical Korean character is not that different from the stereotypical Irish temparment of being both proud AND oppressed/long-suffering), with how she defiantly and rightfully accuses the president for their murder, or how she tells her son that she must be the man in the household. All of it plays true to me, and the stories my friends would tell me as well.

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It was kinda fake and stupid. When Dong Chul did that thing at his dad's funerals I started laughing.


Yeah, it's very anachronistic. It's something similar to the 2 finger chest pump "where my boys at!!" salute Lee Ji Ah and hip-hop cats does in their interviews. Something that you wouldn't see at all in that time.

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He is supposed to be the real badass of the drama but to me he isn't bad enough, he loos too kind. I want to see some real glaring and stuff, I want his character to be more msyterious.


I actually wonder whether he's the main antagonist in the show (frankly, there's just not enough story regarding their collective situation to make him a suitable villain for 50 episodes.) He's not . . . great. If anything, he comes across as kind of a tool or servant in his own right, rendered somewhat pathetic for the way he weasels out of situations by virtue of his position. And he's not as powerful as he seems, really serving the interests of the South Korean military dictatorship.

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He is trying to shake some gangsters away but he turns left and right, then brakes, then left and right and then brakes again. wtf?! + SSH doing fancy tricks with his bike (like saving that lady, I was like "Oh please" Korean superman #4 has appeared. /1st is the real superman, 2nd is Harry from Lobbyist, 3rd is Goni from Tazza/ lol)


it's . . . okay. I mean, this is something that you'd expect from K-drama from the 90s to impress viewers. The action scene doesn't really measure up to recent sets from the Lobbyist (which itself was extremely violent and cheesy in its own right) or Time of Dog and Wolf, Air City, or Homicide Investigation Team. I think in a way East of Eden may be mispromoted as an "action" show. It's just too slow and too intricate for that. I can kinda see East of Eden as an attempt by MBC to do Sandglass 2008 or a 1990s-style Hong Kong action melodrama.

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Yeah, I can somehow, just somehow understand Dong Chul's mom, nurse and Tae Hwan's wife since it was very, very important thing considered the plot. (but presented overly dramatically maybe?)


Yeah, I kinda shrugged at that. I mean, it's obviously an important plot point (since it sets up the core story), but it was also kinda . . . "okay, poor girl, so?!?" I was more distracted by the makeup they applied to the poor nurse. She looked like she was dying! Big Smile

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But that train station man's daughter was a bit too much. I mean, she appeared out of nowhere, she wasn't introduced well enough and we should care for her? She had maybe 2 scenes, and she just wept and it was oh so dramatic.


I think the same applies for the priest. I think the priest is important too. But we have no frigging idea at this point. For anybody starting this show, you just have to get used to seeing lots of people do lots of KERAZY shiznit that you have NO CLUE who they are or why they are important.

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That's true. Let's hope Tazza's gonna be good and sweep All In from the earth. I mean, lotsa gambling please and no corny love relationships! If it's gonna be as good as the movie was, no, I wish it would be better... then I'm gonan be SOOO HAPPY! And the cast seems promising to me! I think the greater competitor for Tazza is Beethoven Virus, though genres are totally different.


I actually love All In (aka "That Show Where Koreans Teach Cholos How To Roundhouse Kick!!") , probably one of my 5 favorite K-dramas, even if the last 4-5 episodes kinda poops all over.

I'm surprised so many people actually have high expectations for Tazza. First, adapting a famous movie into a drama itself smacks of commercial and creative desperation from SBS. Second, I don't think people realize that if Han Ye Seul is bad (and it's 50/50 frankly) in her role, the drama gets brought down BIG TIME.

Then again, Tazza may be great. I love the men, it's the Barbie Doll in between that's problematic for me. ;)

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Actually I was talking about evening lineups. East of Eden and Tazza are competing in the Mon Tuesday timeslot, and their demographics are pretty much the same. Honestly, I think SBS put Tazza there as a sacrificial lamb. In the Thursday/Friday slot, you got Beethoven Virus, Kingdom of the Wind, and Painter in the Wind. Kingdom and Painter will vy for the #1 spot, and BV is scheduled as MBC's counterprogramming darkhorse. (In other words, BV may not get good ratings but they may get high Netizen viewership due to Jang Geun Seuk's idol status, the association with Nodame Cantabile, and the cult following of the director.)
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Wow, you really hate that Director even more by the episodes. Especially episode 3. :\

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No kidding! I just finished episode 3. Even without subs, I think that could have been the single most depressing episode in the history of K-drama!! Episode Suprise

Emotional torture = Wub Wub Wub Wub for Belleza!! Laugh

So, it looks like all the main actors will start appearing in Episode 4. Lee Dae He's character will be the train man's daughter, so I think initially there will be a triangle between LDH, Park Hae Jin's character (son of President) and Yun Jung Hoon's character (Lee Dong Chul's younger brother.)

And uhhh oh yeah, from the ending stuff from episode 3, this look like the perfect role for SSH. I know I've said all this stuff about him, but honestly I think the Man is LOVE. Big Smile

EDIT: Just finished Episode 4 (loved it even though I didn't understand the dialogue.) Main cast hasn't appeared yet, but they're showing more future clips. Oh and from those clips, SSH is channeling his inner "All In", 100% bad ass.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject: East of Eden ending??LDH & SSH??   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Hi dear all,

I'm one of K-drama fan & Song & Da Hae are my favs; It's really great to see both of them in this series.

But i've read in some reviews & comments that there are other co-stars & love triangle between them.

And I cannot wait to see the ending & am asking this in this page.

Kindly tell me will Lee Da hae(hyerim) & Song(Dong Chul) end up together.
I wish they can live happily together at the end.

Pls....
Thks in advnace, Nyarnyar
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