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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

lomsie wrote:
And I have to say I didn't believe Souske's abusive nature at first. It came on really strong, really fast. I don't have experience with that, but I felt that it would have come on more stealthily, a slap to the face may be all he does for the first time, just to say "watch yourself" and that's it, before kicking her while she's down. But the way she handled it seems very believable.


Well, we still don't know their past history. Maybe has put his hands on her but it wasn't as extreme as it was now. Maybe he has done it before but because they weren't living together it wasn't much of a big deal because he probably made it up to her in a such a big way she forgot about it.

We still don't know how they met, when they m et, and for how long. We just know why they love each other.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Episode 5   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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Yes, Ruka had been looking at the options of what could possibly be a sex change, but I don't think that it will actually happen. I think apart of the reason why Ruka went to get counseling is because maybe she doesn't want to feel that way anymore? Maybe she doesn't want to feel things for women and she just wants to be what society considers as a "normal" straight girl? It's Japan afterall...such ideas are still barely accepted like many here have mentioned.

As for Michiru, people like her really bother me. Even if they have been through so much, Ruka and Takeru and all the people around her are providing so much love to her and yet she continues to selfishly blind herself and hurt Ruka. Michiru is taking advantage of the kindness. I know that sounds harsh but that is how I feel.

I do have a question though about the rape scene. Are we to assume that Michiru was raped for sure at this point?

Takeru -> It's good that his secret is slowly startinzg to surface. Hopefully he'll start to realize that his friends will accept him for who he is...at least Ruka and Eri will/have.

Eri -> Her issue was very present in this episode. She tries to cure her loneliness by searching for any man to sleep with. I think, even though the storyline doesn't center around her, more people in Japan can relate to her feelings. Her loneliness is a very common issue in society and it's good that the writers have her as apart of the dorama.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

You are right in that we don't know much now. The way it's been presented, she acted as if she'd never seen that side of him before. And he got so obsessive all of the sudden. Yes, yes, we don't know, I'm just saying I don't believe it yet.

Did this drama come from a manga or a book?
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

That is true as well. But like someone said here, I find Michiru's reaction to it more realistic than major ass kicking that Sousuke did. That was extreme to say the least. I will have to say that the first beat down she got in episode 1 is still the most... how do I word this.... severe one I've ever seen in this series. I still wince whenever I watch it. All the other DV scenes don't compare to the extremities of that scene.

This drama, believe it or not, is an original story.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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I think it'd be a copout on this drama's part to just turn Ruka into a guy. I wanted LF to tackle what it's like to be a Japanese lesbian. Mostly cuz I know a lot of them here. It would be SO helpful to this society, far more so than addressing gender confusion. Believe me. A series like this could change the youth of Japan.


yea i kinda feel the same way, because there seem to be more transgender in the media than gay...
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

What does DV stand for? I gather from watching this drama that it has to do with Sousuke beating up Michiru.
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What does DV stand for? I gather from watching this drama that it has to do with Sousuke beating up Michiru.


It's short for Domestic Violence.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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It's short for Domestic Violence.

So ka. Shld hv known earlier. Guess i was jus too lazy to knock my brains for unleashing the acronym. Arigato.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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Sure, of course I'll keep an open mind. But I'm still hoping Ruka's gender confusion is simply being caused by her being in Japan. Things are very cut and dried here. Even in the lesbian community there are only really butches and femmes. There's no middle ground and it's very disconcerting. One of my friends (an older Japanese female) told me she experienced the same gender confusion as Ruka when she was young. Turns out she's a lesbian tomboy and doesn't wanna actually be a boy.

LF has been written SO well thus far. Here's praying they don't F it up!!!


Ruka may be jumping to conclusions just as the counselor suggested. We still don't know what exactly she's feeling inside.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I think the majority are missing out on the point the writers are trying to make with Ruka and Takeru. The main issue is not that Ruka is either Gay or want to have a sex change, i think they are just showing a confused female that doesn't really belong to any of the labels society's using (she keeps repeating that things like gender isnt really important ie being a man or a woman|. It is the same with Takeru, When Eri Assumed he is gay and he confirmed it, it's not just about him being afraid of sexual contact, it is also showing us that Takeru is another person that you cannot really label him as just straight or gay or even just sexually traumatized.

I really like how the writers planned out the characters, to me they are showing that whether your a male or female it's not guaranteed that your simply heterosexual or homosexual, or even Bisexual. It is mainly suggested that a person can love another person regardless of gender.

Even though they will end it with Ruka probably coming out and stuff, I still think the theme i mentioned above is what they are trying to show with Takeru and Ruka
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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preview on epi.6
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it seems ruka gives flower to someone.
who is she/he??
i can't see the face.



KInda looks like Sousuke...
It could be another racer though, it's really hard to tell...

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From the chest area, most definitely a girl. But who knows...heheh.
With the short hair, don't tell me it's Takeru's stalker/cookie baker? Haha. That's a stretch. ^^;

Takeru takes an active step in protecting Michiru huh? That should be interesting to see.

"Inside a woman's body, a man's heart. A monster." Whoa, I wonder who wrote that letter. Ruka herself?


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mmm... could it possible ruka gives flowers to her mom??!!
i also think that it'a woman. black-short hair.



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To the majority of Japanese viewers it would lessen the blow of Ruka's feelings towards Michiru. Kind of like an: "Oh, so she's really a dude inside? That's why she loves Michiru!"

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i think ruka is just confuse about her identity, hopefully that she wouldn't have to do the operation. it's possible sometimes to love your bestfriend and i think nothing's wrong with it.



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

*wipes eyes* from reading through 11 pages.

I gotta say...too much heated discussions already.

Rather than add to these comments....I will lament to my obsession.

Not only am I the only one obsessed with the cups, but it seems Takeru is also. He seems to be the wrangler and keeper of these cups. Like how Yuuki generously noted in episode 4 for me (thank you Laugh ), Takeru gets everyone in the house a cup. However, poor Eri and Ogurin are still not a part of the inner circle (meaning they got soup/tea looking cups instead of the mugs Tongue ).


Check out how the purple and blue cup are closely placed together...sigh it's so sweet how "Takeru" and "Ruka" are placed "together."


Then in episode 5, he is the one polishing/cleaning the cups. Oh, and he's also drinking from it most of the time. Cup galore Goggle eyes

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....we have a some pottery smashing...that is Souske's threaded bowl (the set he got to match with Michiru) which means we can all breathe cuz he is no longer the one in the picture...meaning he's a goner b/c he has no bowl to eat with everyone Laugh



Episode 5 went at a much slower pace, but I adore how Michiru really stepped it up in talking back to Souske. Despite it being a bittersweet episode with feelings getting slammed...I can't help but love how supportive and observant Takeru is to Ruka. I am glad to see they added an extra 12th episode because I think this drama will aim more at establishing the relationship and support from friends rather than turning it into a love fest.

Because like the rough translation from Juri's old documentary "Love isn't everything...even people who suck and are in love still suck" lol[/img]


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

You can actually buy those cups LOL They're at a store in Japan, I forgot where, but you can buy them pinch They're cute cups!

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Haha omg you can buy them! Aw I want one. They are cute.

OMG I loooooove Last Friends. After seeing ep5 and pv of 6. I couldn't help but to say that again. Eita and Ryo...<3. Funny how Eita is the person that everyone can confide in. Can't wait for 6!
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Poor Michiru is going to have an eye patch on next ep.

Once again I'll be stalkerish waiting for subs xD.

Oh has anyone made any predicts on who is the one that Michiru said died o.o?
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i hope it is not Takeru or Ruka going to die...
it might be between Sousuke or Eri or maybe even Ogurin

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