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renea2 Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Total posts: 5 Location: USA Gender: Female |
 Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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my post is pro fansubbing and d-addicts but it took me a good while to learn how to download and co ordinate the sub and avi/ental file. i spent hours trying to follow the guides given on line. however either the player did not recognize the fomat,the plug in downloaded as a separate program, or i lost where i had put the file. i am not completely ignorant where computers are concerned but this took me where i had never gone before...lol i finally learned on a dare i say it "streaming" site i downloaded vlc player and it works for everything.
my point is that the market for dvds has to be created. the distributors should realize this. People normally speak the language of the dramas they are interested in and can watch directly from the tv sites. the rest of the world does not even know that these shows exist. So the dvd distributors should be paying you guys to translate more. (you're better than their subbers anyway.)This would increase their market. I don't believe that they are losing sales from your site but are gaining them.. they just don't see the big picture.
(please don't be offended....this is written tongue -in-cheek.)
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battlegirlaiJoined: 10 Jun 2005 Total posts: 528 Location: Las Vegas Age: 31 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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i see the fun in your comment, but its still not a good idea to even joke about it because some people will not comprehend that its a joke. while we might drum up business for them before they license it, after they license it we are only doing them harm by continuing to distribute it.
but thats just the people who license the shows for distribution. the people we ALWAYS will cause trouble for are the companies who produced the shows in their respective countries. they don't want even subtitled copies of their shows streaming because they want the people in their own countries to go out and buy dvds or even to watch them on tv because thats how they get paid. if the people in korea or japan are going to veoh or youtube to watch shows instead of watching them on tv or buying or renting dvds, then the companies are losing out on their own turf.
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| renea2 wrote: | | my point is that the market for dvds has to be created. the distributors should realize this. People normally speak the language of the dramas they are interested in and can watch directly from the tv sites. the rest of the world does not even know that these shows exist. So the dvd distributors should be paying you guys to translate more. (you're better than their subbers anyway.)This would increase their market. I don't believe that they are losing sales from your site but are gaining them.. they just don't see the big picture. |
I'm a linear thinker, in case people haven't figured it by now. When it comes to marketing, I don't believe that one person watching a stream will turn into 10 DVD sales. Optimists believe this. I don't. One would be lucky to gain one DVD sale for every 100 streams.
As for the DVDs itself, I was referring to English-subbed DVDs. Even in Japan, DVDs of Japanese TV dramas are available for sale. And they do sell. The DVDs even excelled fansubbing before HDTV captures were available. So I'm totally for DVDs of dramas sold in their markets or origin. However, it is a known fact that if these same DVDs, with English subtitles added, are sold outside of Japan, they will be cheaper than the DVDs in Japan. You'll then have the Japanese reaching out to the U.S. market to purchase the likes of Orange Days or any of the NHK TV dramas. This is IMHO the single most important reason why the Japanese TV networks are against licensing their products to companies for the purpose of subbing and releasing them on DVD. Why are the Koreans licensing their shows? They have their reasons, and I don't bother wasting brain cells trying to figure out a culture I am not familiar with.
Also, fansubbers, for one strange reason or another, do not want to pursue fansubbing professionally. I once brought this up with neonkinpatsu when she was into fansubbing, and we never came up with a logical reason. I'm quite sure that the likes of YA Entertainment and other companies have knocked the doors of famous fansubbers looking to tap into their talents and award them with money. And, I would not be surprised if a few of the fansubbers here indeed sub professionally - they just don't publicize it. But still, for most fansubbers the thought of subbing for money is prostitution.
But by no means would converting amateur subbers to professionals increase revenue for the licensees. I truly believe that if somehow the Internet were to shut down, and the only way these leechers can get ahold of English-subbed shows was to pay for it, many of them would just switch their interests to something else. It is easy for someone to say, "Sure, I'd pay for it!" because in all honesty it is easy to bring up hypothetical scenerios and answer positively because in the back of their minds, they KNOW FOR SURE that day will NEVER come. Rather, I'm an pessimist... I think most people are into things free because the things are free!
--- groink
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battlegirlaiJoined: 10 Jun 2005 Total posts: 528 Location: Las Vegas Age: 31 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| groink wrote: | | However, it is a known fact that if these same DVDs, with English subtitles added, are sold outside of Japan, they will be cheaper than the DVDs in Japan. You'll then have the Japanese reaching out to the U.S. market to purchase the likes of Orange Days or any of the NHK TV dramas. This is IMHO the single most important reason why the Japanese TV networks are against licensing their products to companies for the purpose of subbing and releasing them on DVD. Why are the Koreans licensing their shows? They have their reasons, and I don't bother wasting brain cells trying to figure out a culture I am not familiar with. |
actually, japanese companies already encountered this problem with anime dvd boxsets...the english translated ones are far far far cheaper than their japanese counterparts, and to combat this, i believe i heard that companies and websites that sell english boxsets are prohibited from selling/shipping to certain countries. i don't know if they actually enforce this, but i haven't heard about any problems since then, so i'm guessing it must have been effective enough.
| Quote: | | Also, fansubbers, for one strange reason or another, do not want to pursue fansubbing professionally. |
so far, no companies have offered to anyone that i know of, but if they have, more power to them!
| Quote: | | But still, for most fansubbers the thought of subbing for money is prostitution. |
money for fansubbing, yes...money for subbing for professional purposes, probably not as the difference is vast.
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renea2Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Total posts: 5 Location: USA Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| i see your point and tend to agree. the last thing i want to do is cause trouble for the board. i enjoy my dramas too much.
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LadymercuryJoined: 27 Mar 2005 Total posts: 518 Gender: Unknown |
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loveless_soulGender: Female |
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LadymercuryJoined: 27 Mar 2005 Total posts: 518 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| loveless_soul wrote: | Someone said they live in the States and they can't watch these shows on TV? Wrong. They are on TV. There are Asian channels and they show Kdrama & Cdrama as well as Jdrama but I haven't watch watch a Jdrama yet, only saw it briefly.
I still remember when Goong S aired on TV last year just when WITH S2 almost finished the series. Before that was Goong... I actually watched Goong on TV that time really late at night b/c my internet connection was bad back then.
Maybe you should try to find the channels that offer these shows b/c they do. |
Not really, maybe in areas where there's a large Asian population -- Ie, Hawaii, SolCal Area, Seattle, New York.... But not everywhere. AZN TV, which was the Intl. Channel (how I found out about J-dramas), finally went off the air when Comcast pulled the plug. Excuse, not enough funds and support.
I find that odd when 60% of that station was infomercials.
Anyway, AZN was the only station dedicated to Asian meda that was broadcasted nationwide and that station died. Sad, very sad._________________ 
sbk fansubs | yume wa mugendai no musekinin hero ~ oira densetsu no musekinin hero |
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Renoa HeartillyJoined: 25 Feb 2006 Total posts: 140 Location: Where there's Hope Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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well i think its a good thing that there's a thing as drama fansubbing o_o i'd never imagine our tv broadcasting something like zettai kareshi or last friends, if i could i would have bought the actual DVD when they are out, but they dont get sold here and i can't buy off the internet yet.
whats worse is that some channels here started 'dubbing' a korean drama in a not-so-popular dialect that literally killed the show (to me at least) and if thats the way they intend to stop the fansubbing and make us like and buy the drama, i'd so get turned off asian drama o_o
i mean after being introduced to anime and j-drama, the image of western and local shows and cartoons just crumbled and flew away, there's just no competition and if that was to be taken away, i think i'd loose an important point of inspiration in my life o_o <- a d-addict
i appreciate the work of fansubbers, its hard and they harassed to hurry up about things they do for fun or out of kindness and free time, and in the end most dont even get a 'thank you'. so thank you fansubbers (bow)
i'm surprised about some tv channels like Japan, how do they intend to sell their drama world-wide if they dont have international channels and arent advertising the dramas they make? i mean its already being broadcasted for free on tv, whats the fansub group is doing is letting others watch it too (then they added subtitles so said others can understand) isnt it the same as watching it on tv while knowing japanese? on the other hand, Korea here has channels that broadcast dramas subtitled in english and arabic, so its understandable. but its not the same *shrugs* i dunno
sorry for the long post xD its been on my mind for a while now~
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ethiddaJoined: 16 Feb 2007 Total posts: 460 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Renoa Heartilly wrote: | | i mean its already being broadcasted for free on tv, whats the fansub group is doing is letting others watch it too (then they added subtitles so said others can understand) isnt it the same as watching it on tv while knowing japanese? |
It's actually quite different. TV stations make money by airing ads during the shows, and the more viewers they can boast of, the more expensive it is to advertise on that channel at that time. That's why tv stations really, really, really care about viewership. If you watch it somewhere else instead of on TV when it airs, the channel IS losing money, because it is losing viewers it can boast of having when selling those time slots for ads.
Also, the shows ARE international, even if they don't make it in the English speaking countries. Most other Asian countries will buy the shows that do well. International just means multiple countries, it doesn't have include an English-speaking country. However, in places like Hong Kong, for example, people can read both English and Chinese subtitles, and companies would want to push the show--which might already be subbed in Chinese--and therefore forbid English subtitles for the same show.
In short, companies have very legitimate reasons for not wanting fansubs to be distributed. They are out there to make money, even if it's not immediately clear how they're doing it--and distributing copies of their drama for free does not let them make any money.
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karin-chanJoined: 19 Jan 2007 Total posts: 381 Location: Land of Brown Sugar Macchiato Age: 21 Gender: Female |
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Ayumi01Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Total posts: 22 Gender: Unknown |
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battlegirlaiJoined: 10 Jun 2005 Total posts: 528 Location: Las Vegas Age: 31 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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its not elitism or hypocrisy.
its pure self-preservation.
after all the years of seeing anime groups being pressured by companies with C&D letters and threats of prosecution, its hardly hypocritical to want to keep ourselves under the radar for as long as possible.
besides that, we do the work (i know you claim you've done it too, and thats all well and good and you can decide what you wish to do with your fansubs, but just because we don't agree doesn't make us elitist or hypocrites...it just means we don't agree) and we want people to watch it...not profit from it. we don't profit, they shouldn't profit. its that simple. if we profited from it and then demanded that others don't THEN we'd be hypocrites.
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Ayumi01Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Total posts: 22 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| battlegirlai wrote: | its not elitism or hypocrisy.
its pure self-preservation.
after all the years of seeing anime groups being pressured by companies with C&D letters and threats of prosecution, its hardly hypocritical to want to keep ourselves under the radar for as long as possible.
besides that, we do the work (i know you claim you've done it too, and thats all well and good and you can decide what you wish to do with your fansubs, but just because we don't agree doesn't make us elitist or hypocrites...it just means we don't agree) and we want people to watch it...not profit from it. we don't profit, they shouldn't profit. its that simple. if we profited from it and then demanded that others don't THEN we'd be hypocrites. |
Say/think/do whatever you like.
I still think that it's hypocritical to tell others what to do with copy righted material that's NOT yours. Period.
You decide WTF you want to do with your subs, but I had to state my opinion. Because I think this elitism (and it is elitism) is bogus.
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 504 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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the fansub content we created is intellectual property that belongs to us, the fansubbers
it should be up to us to decide where we want our content distributed
and yes, working with copyrighted material is already illegal
other people can go ahead and post the RAWS wherever they see fit, because they do not belong to any of us
but posting our translations without our consent is something we do not approve of
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