Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
GoddessCarlie wrote:
AKlRA wrote:
jigenbakuda wrote:
GoddessCarlie wrote:
AKlRA wrote:
I'll be honest,
I understand Sousuke, not the whole DV part, but guys do tend to be
VIOLENT either physically or mentally. Most guys want to break chairs, cups,
throw things, etc when they are ticked but it's called COMPOSURE. We learn to
let our mental state come first before the physical but guys are more PHYSICAL
naturally, as girls are more sensitive, naturally.
I think this is a load of crap. At least in my experience I'd say that guys are just as sensitive as girls and girls are just as physical as boys. That it is "natural" for guys to be violent is just a huge cop out. Don't try to justify bad behaviour with a chromosome.
Isn't that a bit harsh? In my personal experience boys in general are far more aggressive and violent than ladies.
(sorry, cut to make my post not so large!)
lol, yeah i was just going to say, she probably doesn't have a majority of guy friends. Besides I'AM a guy, pardon me cuz I could be wrong, but give me some credit for actually knowing whats up in a guys world. I live in it.
I hate when people insert words in my comments. I never said guys are genetically altered to BE violent to that of women. I said they are "naturally" physical rather than sensitive. Do girls throw a punch at their girlfriends when they have a fight? No. What do you girls do? You scream and yell maybe, you talk it out. When guys get in a fight, it's physical. Some guys are less confrontational, so they are verbal instead. When guys, albeit if they are not crazy violent, will definately not throw a punch at their girlfriends because we are once again, COMPOSED.
We have mothers, we understand that women are different. They are more sensitive so as a guy even though we hate their sensitivity at times, learn to respect them bceause that is what a guy is supposed to do; respect their women. Sousuke doesn't seem like a strong person to me. He seems like the kind of guy that would just stand there if he was abused himself. Beating a woman is low for a man because it represents that they are weak (physically and mentally). Any guy who takes advantage of a girl or uses physical force on her, is a weak man.
Whatever the case is, I'm just sayin, guys have a natural tendency to act that way.
Not to sound harsh, okay this will sound harsh but a guy who is more sensitive than a girl, must either be gay or had been smothered by his mother's love all through his life. (chill, half joking.)
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My closest friends are guys. I lived in a share house with three guys. I haven't lived with girls but I am one and I have stayed over girls houses. I've seen girls fight and I've seen guys fight. I've seen girls break down and cry and I've seen guys break down and cry.
Girls don't punch when having a fight? Huh! I would argue that i've seen more fist fights between girls than guys. In fact I would argue that YOU haven't been around women much. Girls and guys get just as angry as each other and show it in similar ways. I would argue that most people of sound mind would rather NOT be in a violent situation and actively try and avoid a situation becoming violent.
"natural" implies genetics, and is often used as an excuse "aww, he can't help that he hit her, it's only natural". I would argue that the perceived "violence" of men is because of this very excuse that "boys will be boys" - thus the behaviour is never corrected, and thus the cycle continues. My biggest beef with your statement is really that people use these kinds of statements as an excuse.
We have mothers, we understand that women are different.
How are women different? I would like to think that those who have a caring mother would see them as people not as a gender. The way the genders have been defined are too rigid that most people don't fit neatly into the mould. Most people have femininity and masculinity, in different percentages. Thus Ruka's battle with her identity - she likes things seen as more masculine and thus she can be isolated from society. Her boss can't see past her gender, that she is a person. If genders were absolute she wouldn't be in this position. And does it matter that we "like her as a girl" because if Ruka was a man she would still be exactly the same person.
As for a guy having to respect women, cause that's "what a guy is supposed to do" - well done, that's awesome. Good to know you respect women because you are supposed to not because women are equal to men and should be treated like a human.
DV and violence is a touchy subject. violence is a touchy subject. objectifying women is a touchy subject. I'm sorry to have brought this all up, but sometimes it is better to make people question their views than sit back and watch everything perpetuate itself. How ever, I'm sure that you are going to dismiss everything I have said just the same way I dismissed everything that you have said, so I will drop it.
Whoah, getting a bit sensitive there are we?
im just messin, relax.
As long as you are human and are titled to either a MALE or FEMALE,
society will always view you as a MALE or FEMALE. (Society=majority)
Society will push down a guy and tell hiim, "grow some balls"
and may tell a girl, "its okay... THIS TIME."
It's just how this world has become.
Ruka obviously can't stand to be judged by gender, but as displayed
by her coach, a woman in society regardless of what they do or how they
present themselves, will always be viewed as a WOMAN. and vice versa with MAN.
It is what it is.
And yeah, this is a touchy subject, I understand.
But honestly, it can be about starving african children and i'll still put in my two cents
until the day i die.
(oh in case you need an example: i think donating to africa is useless.
not pointless, since there is a point, but it's useless. you save one kid, the others die.
save one kid is better than save no kid, right? because the world is fair right? right.)
oh sorry i brought that up lol, please don't start arguing africa now, just an example.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
ok..so i just finished watching ep5 and i noticed in next week's preview takeru is running with a girl wearing an eyepatch...couldn't really see who it was though...does anyone know who that might be? (looks a little like michiru..though as i said..i really couldnt see clearly)
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Elliah: The girl with the eye patch is definitely Michiru - it looks like in Episode 5, even Takeru loses his calm composure. Hard not to!
Small small spoiler to Episode 5 and some speculation:
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I'm not sure for what reason but I think Takeru goes to Sousuke's apartment and drags Michiru out of there. I think it might after seeing the patch on the eye...
Btw, one of my favourite scenes in Episode 4:
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The part where Michiru admits to Takeru that she lied to Ruka - the point where she talks about how Ruka has liked someone for many years - did anyone notice the background music? I'm sure it's a new track that has not been used in previous episodes. The music was so touching - sounded very like S.E.N.S work. Everytime I watch that scene, I'm moved.
I can't wait till the soundtrack is out! Oh and I'm DEFINITELY getting the single of Prisoner of Love too. Like others here, I can't get enough of it.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
This series is definitely becoming one of my favorites... although I really haven't watched that many JDramas. lol. Episode 5 was amazing... because the whole time, you're just hoping Ruka will blurt it all out!!
Amazing parallels between Takeru, and Ruka's characters.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Is anyone else disappointed with the fact that Ruka may get a sex change? I really hope the series doesn't go there. I say that because I feel it would take away from her probably being gay. To the majority of Japanese viewers it would lessen the blow of Ruka's feelings towards Michiru. Kind of like an: "Oh, so she's really a dude inside? That's why she loves Michiru!"
Not a good move, as far as I'm concerned. This series needs to address homosexuality over gender identity.
BTW, anyone know what is going on with Kioku's subs?
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Rinnetensei wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed with the fact that Ruka may get a sex change? I really hope the series doesn't go there. I say that because I feel it would take away from her probably being gay. To the majority of Japanese viewers it would lessen the blow of Ruka's feelings towards Michiru. Kind of like an: "Oh, so she's really a dude inside? That's why she loves Michiru!"
Not a good move, as far as I'm concerned. This series needs to address homosexuality over gender identity.
BTW, anyone know what is going on with Kioku's subs?
Says on their site that the translator went on a trip for Golden Week. I think I'm going to delete those files anyway and download the softsubs because the blue font does not appeal to me. Which version is better, seri's or suketeru's?
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
marspeach wrote:
Rinnetensei wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed with the fact that Ruka may get a sex change? I really hope the series doesn't go there. I say that because I feel it would take away from her probably being gay. To the majority of Japanese viewers it would lessen the blow of Ruka's feelings towards Michiru. Kind of like an: "Oh, so she's really a dude inside? That's why she loves Michiru!"
Not a good move, as far as I'm concerned. This series needs to address homosexuality over gender identity.
BTW, anyone know what is going on with Kioku's subs?
Says on their site that the translator went on a trip for Golden Week. I think I'm going to delete those files anyway and download the softsubs because the blue font does not appeal to me. Which version is better, seri's or suketeru's?
Golden Week has been over for almost a week now!!! I actually really like Kioku's font. But to answer your Q, I think Suketeru's translation is better. Seri's quicker though.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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This series is definitely becoming one of my favorites... although I really haven't watched that many JDramas. lol. Episode 5 was amazing... because the whole time, you're just hoping Ruka will blurt it all out!!
Seriously, there are no boring moments in the show. Might be because of the thriller moments that just jumps out from nowhere. But the light and comedic moments are played really well too. I really like the idea of a share house like this. There's a sense of comfort and safety from how the characters portrayed it. A place one could 'come home' to no matter what they faced outside.
About Ruka, I think she's set on not telling Michiru anything about her feelings or her issue. At least not until she's become a 'stronger person' and able to stand proudly in front of the person she loves. The scene at the park with Takeru was one of the parts I like about episode 5. Then with Takeru saying in his monologue that he'll support and look after her no matter who she might love. In order to protect Ruka's smile. That's why at the end when Michiru said all those things about Ruka being a strong person and kinda have everything one would one, that unlike Ruka, she's a weak person that's why she can understand Sosuke's weakness, it breaks my heart even more. It's a little like that restaurant scene in episode 3. She's blind in regards to the person in front of her.
JikokunoShuusennin wrote:
son2 wrote:
preview on epi.6
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it seems ruka gives flower to someone.
who is she/he??
i can't see the face.
KInda looks like Sousuke...
It could be another racer though, it's really hard to tell...
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From the chest area, most definitely a girl. But who knows...heheh.
With the short hair, don't tell me it's Takeru's stalker/cookie baker? Haha. That's a stretch. ^^;
Takeru takes an active step in protecting Michiru huh? That should be interesting to see.
"Inside a woman's body, a man's heart. A monster." Whoa, I wonder who wrote that letter. Ruka herself?
"I sometimes don't understand Ruka" Yeah, of course not Michiru. In their relationship all these years, it's always been about Michiru and her problems. Even now...
The chronology are a mess though. Not sure which comes after which. But should be another interesting episode.
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To the majority of Japanese viewers it would lessen the blow of Ruka's feelings towards Michiru. Kind of like an: "Oh, so she's really a dude inside? That's why she loves Michiru!"
That's one of my concerns when they started hinting about it from the 2nd episode. But I really don't think that it would lessen the impact any less. Something like gender identity disorder would be a harder and more of a taboo subject in Japan than homosexuality. From how they're handling it, it doesn't seem like just something the writers used to validate her feelings for Michiru. Ruka didn't even mentioned Michiru(yet) when the doctor asked why/when she started feeling that way. So it's not the main reason she's doing this. It's for herself. And they seem to be trying to handle it as real as they can be. What with Ruka going for medical counseling first instead of maybe flying to Thailand for example...lol, just kidding. Just seem that they've done their research. And Ueno Juri is playing the part very well that people can just feel what she feels by looking at her expression. All the conflicting emotions. Man~ About taking away the whole being gay thing, well, people just jumped to that conclusion after seeing her kissing Michiru...which is what someone would assume. But hey, there's already hints in episode 1 that her issue is deeper than that. So, in conclusion, I think I'm okay with it as long as it's executed well. It's unchartered territory as far as Japanese television is concerned so I'm definitely interested in how they'll develop this.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Well, when I was watching the first ep. and the opening came on, I thought Ruka was a guy at first, purely by appearances. Then I got a better look and thought, "oh.....OH!"
I wouldn't say that it would be a disappointment, it would make Ruka's life even more tumultuous, but I'm concerned with the way they will do it. It's coming on gradually now, but with time constraints on the drama, I hope they don't rush through the entire process, that is to say if that's even what they're going for.
And I have to say I didn't believe Souske's abusive nature at first. It came on really strong, really fast. I don't have experience with that, but I felt that it would have come on more stealthily, a slap to the face may be all he does for the first time, just to say "watch yourself" and that's it, before kicking her while she's down. But the way she handled it seems very believable.
This may be the best drama I've seen since "LIFE" I wonder how the Japanese TV viewing public will approach this. I know "LIFE" resonated with millions of school kids, so...hm....
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
It's interesting how when Ruka went to the counselor, she told him she had no romantic feelings towards anyone. Almost as if she were asexual. But it's pretty damn clear she loves Michiru more than just friends. Here's hoping she starts liking some other chick and can realize she is gay, gay gay!
I think it'd be a copout on this drama's part to just turn Ruka into a guy. I wanted LF to tackle what it's like to be a Japanese lesbian. Mostly cuz I know a lot of them here. It would be SO helpful to this society, far more so than addressing gender confusion. Believe me. A series like this could change the youth of Japan.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Rinnetensei wrote:
I think it'd be a copout on this drama's part to just turn Ruka into a guy. I wanted LF to tackle what it's like to be a Japanese lesbian. Mostly cuz I know a lot of them here. It would be SO helpful to this society, far more so than addressing gender confusion. Believe me. A series like this could change the youth of Japan.
Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinions and it's obvious that some people aren't liking what Ruka's issue is turning out to be. I still don't think it's a cop out simply because they aren't taking the easy way with this and since it's obvious that it's been planned from the start(now I understand the symbolism behind Ruka's upside down position and having her wearing similar clothing like the other guys in the OP). Ruka is to be someone with gender identity disorder who happens to be in love with her best friend. While I agree that tackling the issue of being gay in Japan would be more 'helpful', I think the main issues and reactions that a transgender person would face are pretty similar. It's not like people would accept it easier if Ruka were to become a guy would it? In addition to being judged by the 'normal' people, she would also be judged by the gay community itself. So, I think it's best to just have an open mind on whatever they have in store for us...
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Sure, of course I'll keep an open mind. But I'm still hoping Ruka's gender confusion is simply being caused by her being in Japan. Things are very cut and dried here. Even in the lesbian community there are only really butches and femmes. There's no middle ground and it's very disconcerting. One of my friends (an older Japanese female) told me she experienced the same gender confusion as Ruka when she was young. Turns out she's a lesbian tomboy and doesn't wanna actually be a boy.
LF has been written SO well thus far. Here's praying they don't F it up!!!
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