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Puppet Princess Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Total posts: 1499 Location: Hawaii Age: 19 Gender: Female |
 Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Fine, freedom of expression be damned. If sarcasm gets everyone so bothered that they can't even comment on the issue I brought up I'll rephrase it.
I see no difference between soft and hard subs. So if softsubs will be lumped into one thread, logically shouldn't hardsubs be grouped together too?
If not can someone state clearly the perks of putting all sub versions into one thread that even caused such a thought?
If it's organization... the sub index should still be able to handle multiple versions.
If it's reducing threads... I still think it's ironic to create a thread to do this.
I honestly don't see why this change would be needed since if people were to look up a show in the sub index all versions would be listed there.
| amrayu wrote: |
Locking threads where translators have been missing for several weeks with no updates. If you leave it open, people tend to post wanting to know what's happening or they start to demand subtitles then the bashing... which causes the thread to go nowhere fast. This will help cut down on clutter. |
So instead of having no faith in people, lock threads when they become issues. I mean sometimes it may take a few months to release something. And who wants to keep track of when each team last updated each project. That seems like extra work too.
Locking threads because they "may" become problems seems unfair to both the fansubbers (since it makes it sound like "if you are slow we don't think you'll ever get this done") and well all the leechers (it makes it sound like "we think all of you are horrible ungrateful leeches who just want to harass people")
| abcd99 wrote: | | For popular dramas, many people will say thank you even after the threads are completed. If you have 100 people and 5 different fansubs are subbing the same dramas, then you'll have 500 posts of thank yous instead of just 100. Don't you think it's excessive? Repeat it for so many dramas and before long you'll encounter server overload. |
No less excessive then the people who see the need to copy/paste the same thank you to every torrent in a 50 episode series all at once.
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battlegirlaiJoined: 10 Jun 2005 Total posts: 531 Location: Las Vegas Age: 31 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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@abcd99 - actually...what would be the odds that those 100 people would download all 5 sets of softsubs and thank each group? more than likely they would pick one group and unless the subs were bad, they'd stick with just those.
@amrayu - i know its still in discussion ^_^ you can't blame me for being...er...enthusiastic?...about my feelings on some of the issues under discussion. but i promise, i'll try to restrain myself a bit.
but so far i feel safe that your opinions, when the final decision comes to vote, will speak for mine.
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battlegirlaiJoined: 10 Jun 2005 Total posts: 531 Location: Las Vegas Age: 31 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Puppet Princess wrote: |
So instead of having no faith in people, lock threads when they become issues. I mean sometimes it may take a few months to release something. And who wants to keep track of when each team last updated each project. That seems like extra work too. |
i dunno, i don't see the harm in locking a sub post that hasn't had a new ep uploaded in a long time and if the subber has gone mia. if they happen to come back, as abcd99? (wasn't it?) said, it would be easy enough to pm a mod to have it unlocked so they can continue. i can think of several shows off the top of my head that haven't had subs released in several months to a year with an mia subber that still get people posting "I can't wait for the next episode" or "is this series dead?"
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Puppet Princess wrote: | | No less excessive then the people who see the need to copy/paste the same thank you to every torrent in a 50 episode series all at once. |
Yet it happened and will happen again.
| battlegirlai wrote: | | @abcd99 - actually...what would be the odds that those 100 people would download all 5 sets of softsubs and thank each group? more than likely they would pick one group and unless the subs were bad, they'd stick with just those |
I'm not sure how to put it. People will thank the fansubbers anyway without actually using their subs. So, this situation still may happen.
Also, so many people here seem to have the misconception of having a longer thread implies popularity. I've noticed it again and again in D-A. It's pretty common for a subtitle thread of a popular drama to have 50+ pages although the drama itself is probably only 20 episodes. So, it's not only thank yous, but also discussion, chats, etc. If we have 5 different threads of the same drama, we'll have 5 different discussions. This is the nightmare that the mods are considering right now.
This is also why I propose to allow incomplete subs to stay open and lock those that are completed. Then, the discussions, thank yous, etc can proceed in a single thread.
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ironicwaveJoined: 22 Mar 2004 Total posts: 887 Location: Germany Gender: Female |
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Is there possibly a non-messageboard solution? For example, if there's a piece of Internet software out there that allows people to upload files to a database of sorts - kind of like a DDL hosting software but with no expiration of files, that would be much more manageable than attempting to make the messageboard system into something it wasn't designed to do.
--- groink
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Off topic, but I think "thank you button" is an excellent idea to reduce post counts. I'd rather have that than a "thank you post".
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Puppet PrincessJoined: 03 Sep 2006 Total posts: 1499 Location: Hawaii Age: 19 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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lol of course it will happen again. Some people get overzealous in the thank yous, though a larger percentage don't bother to thank at all.
| abcd99 wrote: |
This is also why I propose to allow incomplete subs to stay open and lock those that are completed. Then, the discussions, thank yous, etc can proceed in a single thread. |
You mean one thread for ALL shows like ever?
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amrayuJoined: 19 Dec 2003 Total posts: 1938 Location: East Bay Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Puppet Princess wrote: |
I see no difference between soft and hard subs. So if softsubs will be lumped into one thread, logically shouldn't hardsubs be grouped together too? |
I don't agree with merging threads together, that's just going to be one clusterfuck to maintain and coordinate between groups.
| battlegirlai wrote: |
i dunno, i don't see the harm in locking a sub post that hasn't had a new ep uploaded in a long time and if the subber has gone mia. if they happen to come back, as abcd99? (wasn't it?) said, it would be easy enough to pm a mod to have it unlocked so they can continue. i can think of several shows off the top of my head that haven't had subs released in several months to a year with an mia subber that still get people posting "I can't wait for the next episode" or "is this series dead?" |
Yes, this is what I'm referring to.
| Puppet Princess wrote: |
So instead of having no faith in people, lock threads when they become issues. I mean sometimes it may take a few months to release something. And who wants to keep track of when each team last updated each project. That seems like extra work too. |
It's not about having no faith, it's more about keeping order and avoiding messy situations later on. My suggestion is aimed towards new fansubbers who just "hit" and "run." One hit wonders as I call them.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Puppet Princess wrote: | | You mean one thread for ALL shows like ever? |
I mean one thread PER show albeit being subbed by five different fansub groups. I just don't like to see a proliferation of discussions on one drama. I think it's just frivolous.
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ironicwaveJoined: 22 Mar 2004 Total posts: 887 Location: Germany Gender: Female |
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Puppet PrincessJoined: 03 Sep 2006 Total posts: 1499 Location: Hawaii Age: 19 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| abcd99 wrote: | | I mean one thread PER show albeit being subbed by five different fansub groups. I just don't like to see a proliferation of discussions on one drama. I think it's just frivolous. |
Ohhh you meant ONLY shows that had multiple groups. lol
| groink wrote: | Is there possibly a non-messageboard solution? For example, if there's a piece of Internet software out there that allows people to upload files to a database of sorts - kind of like a DDL hosting software but with no expiration of files, that would be much more manageable than attempting to make the messageboard system into something it wasn't designed to do.
--- groink |
Similar to the FSS host thing you mean, right? That would lessen the amount of BS to manage for sure, however, there would need to be a way make sure only mods and those who upload can delete or replace the files. That may be complicated though... I'm not sure what all something like that would involve.
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battlegirlaiJoined: 10 Jun 2005 Total posts: 531 Location: Las Vegas Age: 31 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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locking the threads won't curtail it completely?
i kinda like the idea of a thank you button too...something that won't bump the thread so if you want to thank on every hardsub release or after every softsub release, you can without annoying the whole world...granted...this is probably more a conversation topic for the how to improve d-a thread...but i think it has merit
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i like it as a theoretical and practical idea, but for some subbers who don't have a site the thank you thread is their only means of receiving feedback and that shouldn't be curtailed completely...
Thanks for the subs!!!!!
Great subs! ^^ 