Fansubber Guidelines Rev 2 (Draft)

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

i'm just trying to combine mod/fansubber views as they stand atm to a decent compromise by agreeing to groink's idea... i think it holds merit...
i don't have any major preference either way since i've only ever created one softsub and i couldn't care less if those subs were posted with someone else's if such a situation would arise...
i appreciate user feedback, by all means, but when a series is over, it's over for me...
hardsub or softsub... *shrugs*

@abcd99: not that this will happen any time soon, but if you were to have 3 different subbers for every series and we keep every thread forever eventually you'll completely bust at the seams... every season already provides loads and loads more threads... keeping the tail of every fansubbers' thread will eventually cause trouble... especially in threads where the exchange is super chatty...

@battlegirlai: i don't know how long other groups plan to revise and rerevise their subs, my suggestion would be to shoot for perfection the first time around? sweating

and i imagine groups could still receive thank yous in the single thread from latecomers...
oh, and i don't see why the "beautification" of the threads can't be carried over either if that makes a difference...

@Puppet Princess: ah, enter sarcasm... how is that a constructive comment? no one's ruling anything out yet, everyone here is just voicing opinions and so far in a pretty good atmosphere without attitude...

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

We haven't really discussed the issue of how to manage the multiple softsub threads yet.
But I figure 1 thread per group will suffice and then an index thread for each series like groink has mentioned. If a group is unable to complete the series after a decent amount of time has passed, we could lock the thread, and eventually delete it if the subber is MIA.
Or a big index of all softsubs that includes all versions of every softsubbed series.

We're still refining the guidelines...
And everyone is free to voice their opinion.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Or, alternatively mods could lock the threads maybe a week or so after its completion and do what groink said (open new thread). The other non-completed threads can stay open for a while.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

@ironicwave - thats your view on softsubs...you dont mind...thats fine...but others will and do. a "thanks for the hard work" means a great deal to some subbers even after a show is finished. it means that people still appreciate it. if you have to share that thank you with one or two other groups...it loses that warm fuzzy feeling because you know it might not be you that they are thanking. and having a flashy group next to a regular group...please, lets be frank...the subs may be the same quality, but the eye will be drawn to the more flashy stuff.

also, no one is perfect...you can strive for perfection the first time around and still fall short. cutting off the ability to fix it later down the line is just downright cruel to people who do strive for perfection and want to make sure that they provide the most accurate work they can.

you read sarcasm in puppets post because thats what you want to hear. but she's right. if its just a matter of cutting down on threads...whats next?

@amrayu - isn't there already an index post with links to all the softsubs? why the concern with locking these posts? one or two thank yous on one old thread can't be any different than one or two thank yous on a merged thread.

@abcd99 - but some shows dont really end after a week...or even a year...some shows have specials that come out ages after the show has been completed...why create a whole new thread for it if the group that subbed the show subs the special? they could just add it on to the series thread and save space

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

you're forgetting that i'm not making any decisions here, just voicing my opinion and i stated this as well...
and the evaluation of sarcasm is on point, because this

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

i fully understand that this is still in the discussion phase...and thats what i'm doing, discussing my point of view on it. i think its a seriously seriously unwise option.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

So what if my "constructive comment" is sarcastic or not? I still see it the same way. If you want to lump all the softsubs together you might as well do it with the hardsubs as well. Sarcasm does not make my statement meaningless.

If I choose to express my opinion and point with sarcasm and irony... that wasn't hostile or an attitude, what is wrong with that? It was to emphasis that fact that it seems silly to go through all this for the sake of a few threads.
Is it not ironic to create more threads in order to have less?

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

well, if you choose to use sarcasm instead of a straightforward way to state your opinion, then you must also be prepared for it to come back to bite you in the rear, right?
let's just keep things in a moderate and friendly environment here and no one will get their feathers ruffled...

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Well I believe that there's a misunderstanding right here. I think that mods already agreed not to merge threads.

Now it's the question of how to deal with partially completed sub threads so that the excessive chattiness can be curbed.

I propose to allow unfinished sub thread to open. However, if excessive chattiness is detected in the thread, mods should lock it immediately until the fansub is ready for the next update.

As for the specials or extras that might occur months later, fansub coordinators can simply PM the mods to unlock the corresponding threads.

I hope this is a palatable solution.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

i still can't see the logic in locking completed series threads. what harm do some "thank you" posts do?

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Sarcasm? Did someone call my name?

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0