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Rori Joined: 06 Jan 2007 Total posts: 893 Age: 19 Gender: Female |
 Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| bmwracer wrote: | | Rori wrote: | They can't do that in April! Gokusen 3 starts then!
Joke really. |
Gokusen 3 is a joke.
As was Gokusen 2. |
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We all have different likes. Just because you're not going to like it doesn't mean I ain't either. =/
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elly_ketzJoined: 09 Apr 2007 Total posts: 27 Location: Deep inside a dream Age: 15 Gender: Female |
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RoriJoined: 06 Jan 2007 Total posts: 893 Age: 19 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| To be honest this whole ordeal wouldn't bother me either if they'd release the original DVD's with english subs. I'd be just as willing to buy them too.
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teukimaiJoined: 07 May 2007 Total posts: 37 Location: UAE Age: 21 Gender: Female |
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Did anyone even read my pervious post on page 1?!?!?!?
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doink-chanJoined: 17 May 2005 Total posts: 316 Location: The happy land of doinks Age: 19 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Takekaze wrote: | I think the problem will be a lot more complex than the article says. "File sharing", well, that's a nice term, but not all files shared are ripped movies or records (guess who's the one screaming loudest?). What about... Girls Locks? Radio show, features several actresses throughout the week (Kuriyama and Horikita have shows in this program). I've been downloading Kuriyama's shows from Share ever since she started with it.
If this "ban" will increase a DVD output for tv series, I have no problems with that, honestly. If it means I get Genjuro Hissatsuken on DVD and don't have to download it (which, in this case, meant waiting ages for the episodes to appear on Share), then I'm all for it.
If it hits torrents or Winny, well, fine. Winny's been dead for a while and the Japanese don't use torrents as much as we do. Might it hit Share? Possibly, but Share is also quite old by now. Might it hit Perfect Dark? We'll see.
And I don't really see how they could possibly argue that downloading a RAW of a series that's currently running violates the copyright. That's like passing me the episode on a VHS tape. Heck, last I recall is that they had to ease the law on recordings of tv stuff on HD recorders over there (you were allowed to make one copy of it).
They should rather check what files are shared. If I download an ISO of a movie that can be bought in stores, well, duh... But if I download, let's say, the recording of a radio show, or of a normal tv show (something like SMAP)... how the F is anyone supposed to get that without recording/downloading it?
If the stations would develop some sort of online shop, where I could buy downloadable content (shows, series, etc), I would use it right away.
The solution for the issue won't be an outright ban of all file sharing (someone will find a way around that anyway -someone always will-, and then there's the good old issue: market, how many ISPs might lose customers with this "brilliant" idea?) Guess they'll learn that the hard way.
We'll see how this will develop. Not to mention that the article says "record and movie industry". This will take a while to bring a proper solution.
April... that's when the forth Inspector Kariya will run... Bah! I need that. I need my Aki fix. @TBS: publish the Kariya series on DVD, I will happily buy it. |
If there's anything that I've learned about file sharing, it's that people will always find a way around attempts to stop it. The software will probably be made even more anonymous and encrypted so that there is no way an ISP can catch a file sharer. The article from Yomiuri said it mainly targets Winny, which is pretty much dead and has already been unsafe for years. I don't know if it will effect Share or Perfect Dark, though I can see Share being targeted as well. Still, as I said before, people who are really dedicated to file sharing will always find a workaround._________________ 
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lynchmob72Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Total posts: 147 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| groink wrote: | | Did anyone even read my pervious post on page 1?!?!?!? |
Yes, we did! lol. You have 4 posts on the first page. I think we all understand what your saying, but we just wish the machine that runs it all will change. People will always be people ....
That may work for us now ... but for how long?
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doink-chanJoined: 17 May 2005 Total posts: 316 Location: The happy land of doinks Age: 19 Gender: Female |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| doink-chan wrote: |
If there's anything that I've learned about file sharing, it's that people will always find a way around attempts to stop it. The software will probably be made even more anonymous and encrypted so that there is no way an ISP can catch a file sharer. The article from Yomiuri said it mainly targets Winny, which is pretty much dead and has already been unsafe for years. I don't know if it will effect Share or Perfect Dark, though I can see Share being targeted as well. Still, as I said before, people who are really dedicated to file sharing will always find a workaround. |
My thoughts exactly. There will always be someone to find a way around. Remember the iPhone? Apple engineers worked ages on it, and it came with a fixed contract. Well, guess what, a few weeks after release a guy already managed to get past that contract and got it to work with another mobile provider. Take any virus that targets Windows systems. They adapt quickly. Same will happen here.
I was thinking about this and I wondered how would the ISPs do it.
Going after the bandwidth:
pro: sounds easy, just check how much traffic a user has and smack him
con: it just doesn't work. There are companies offering downloadable content, which ranges from movies to music and even to games (Steam, which started as a platform for Half Life 2, now offers games from major gaming companies, id software ist there, Atari joined them, now you can even get the Unreal series via Steam, those are HUGE downloads worth several GBs). With that concept no one in Japan would be able to use Steam anymore, or even iTunes. You won't be able to buy a MMORPG online and download it. And what's the point getting a contract with 12 mbit (or more) when you can't use it decently? Not to mention, what with people who pay for either flatrates or contracts with large traffic? It'd totally screw them over (with that the ISP loses paying customers, usually those who pay most). And there are people who need fast ISPs which allow a lot of traffic for work. Which brings up the next problem. What about ISPs and companies using their services? Back when I worked in the webdesign business (in 2001), we, the devs, let our machines online over night and had WinMX running (downloading a shitload of stuff). You can't simply ban a company (that would really hurt the ISP).
I think it'll be more likely to reverse-engineer Winny (which has been done already, as far as I remember), then search for who is seeding/downloading what and then smack him (Rumor has it that German police is working like that on edonkey). Anything else simply won't work. There are people who use "filesharing" legally. There are even companies that do it (ever downloaded WoW? Blizzard uses bit torrent; America's Army uses it as well, there are plenty of others that do).
Does anyone have either the original Japanese article or a good translation of it? Because this "Japan to ban filesharing" is... just blah, it means nothing. There is no use in banning "file sharing", because there are plenty of legal examples. You have to track down illegal file sharing. Stuff like: an ISO file of "Always", or a rip of Shibasaki Kou's latest CD, or those low quality avi files that lurk around on Share (those of movies filmed in the theater). And that only works by going on Share/Perfect Dark/Winny/Whatever and find out who transfers what.
Or, be smart and offer a good, cheaper than DVD, legal download service. How do they think iTunes appeared? Amazon is doing this now as well. And with the high speed internet services of these days, this shouldn't really be an issue. Just imagine... TBS download store...
Why does one use highspeed internet anyway? To be able to download large amounts of data with high speeds. That simple. For anything else I don't need highspeed, I can use a 56k for that.
Hey TBS, NHK, etc... Downloadable tv shows! You have the technology! Use it! This also goes for the agencies. You want to sell the products of your artists? There's technology available. Use it.
Speaking of Winny, the last time I used it was two years ago. I stopped. Nothing there for me. Well... if you want faked porn images of your favorite actress, then use Winny. Other than that, forget it.
ISPs not associated with this group, however, might profit from this. After all, it's the customers who decide. Gotta love the free market. If Japan was North Korea, we'd be screwed though 
Oh, by the way... who else finds it funny that the record industry is whining, yet they manage to pay a western band 1.2 million Euro for a gig in Japan? Hmmm... Record industry's been whining for ages, yet they're still around, still make a nice profit.
Personally, I prefer Share over Perfect Dark. Share has the better search options. I just love cluster and trigger function._________________  |
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elly_ketzJoined: 09 Apr 2007 Total posts: 27 Location: Deep inside a dream Age: 15 Gender: Female |
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hikkichanJoined: 14 Dec 2004 Total posts: 248 Location: 加美平 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Downloadable TV shows will do nothing for TV companies; ratings earn them sponsors, which in turn earns them money.
Why would they divert people to the internet and lose lots of money? Doesn't work at all. It may have worked for music, but it won't work for TV... especially since the quality of LEGAL downloadble programs/movies... even programs claiming to be "HD" are much worse than you get on your TV. That, and a large population of computer users aren't saavy enough to rig their machines to work on their TVs.
As for paying western bands 2 million dollars to perform in Japan... they make more money off of them through ticket sales, and merchandise. One Tokyo Dome show snatches around 7.5million dollars in ticket sales alone... and then they usually do two or 3 shows... paying 2mil to get 22mil isn't a bad investment.
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WWKDJoined: 13 Feb 2008 Total posts: 1 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| hikkichan wrote: | Downloadable TV shows will do nothing for TV companies; ratings earn them sponsors, which in turn earns them money.
Why would they divert people to the internet and lose lots of money? Doesn't work at all. It may have worked for music, but it won't work for TV... especially since the quality of LEGAL downloadble programs/movies... even programs claiming to be "HD" are much worse than you get on your TV. That, and a large population of computer users aren't saavy enough to rig their machines to work on their TVs.
As for paying western bands 2 million dollars to perform in Japan... they make more money off of them through ticket sales, and merchandise. One Tokyo Dome show snatches around 7.5million dollars in ticket sales alone... and then they usually do two or 3 shows... paying 2mil to get 22mil isn't a bad investment. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we (USA) just have a big write strike because, amongst other things, the writers weren't being paid for the content that was being aired on the internet? The channels were making money, the sponsors were making money, just not the writers. There is signifigant money to be made by putting shows on the web. The sites can track how many people view them, plus, ads can be put on the site, and in the show itself. There are benefits to making shows available on the web.
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hikkichanJoined: 14 Dec 2004 Total posts: 248 Location: 加美平 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Business is different out here. Using America as an example is pretty much irrelevant.
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ajb_advanceJoined: 06 Jan 2004 Total posts: 120 Location: fukuoka Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Heavy users are the target of these measures, and if you're wondering what a 'heavy user' is in Japanese ISP terms take a look at this document : http://www.jaipa.or.jp/other/bandwidth/guidelines.pdf. Check out 資料7 near the end which gives an example of showing users the amount of bandwidth they are using, in this case 166Gb in a day, and 1.3T and 2.1T for recent months - and I thought I was a heavy user! Other graphs show the (not unexpected) differences between 'normal' users (~500Mb a day), 'p2p' users (~17Gb a day) and 'heavy p2p' users (>100Gb a day) . . .
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christaluvsdramaJoined: 03 Feb 2007 Total posts: 480 Location: California Age: 22 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| This means I will be watching and waiting for shows on TV more hehe. Though, does this effect those who watch Japan TV shows and movies online not so legally(key hole tv, beeline, yourglobaltv ect..)? Also, this will have a big effect on the Anime watching online community which is quite big compared to doramas.
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