Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
My streaming wasn't good and audio was quite muffled so couldn't catch the dialogue clearly.
Much of Ep4 takes place in Yoshiwara after Sakamoto brings Jin there because he wants him to meet Nokaze (who looks like Miki).
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Jin is shocked when he sees Nokaze. I think her first reaction when seeing him is a similar gesture that Miki did in an earlier episode too. He starts stammering and I think he enquires about her family and in response she walks out on them.
As they are about to leave the place, they learn that the owner is sick and Jin diagnoses the illness which no doctor has been able to identify so far. There are protests from a lady (not sure what her relationship is with the owner) and a man, but Nokaze steps in and asks Jin to cure him when she hears from Sakamoto that Jin is an accomplished doctor. During the surgery, Nokaze relates her background to Sakamoto and how she regards the owner as her father because he has been very kind to her.
Saki gets jealous when she learns from her older brother that Jin had gone to Yoshiwara and she sees Jin's photo with Miki while packing his medical tools to send to him through Kyotaro.
Anyway, the surgery goes well and when Jin returns home and takes a look at the photo of himself and Miki he sees that it is different. They are no longer in a hospital setting and she looks healthy and happy.
Later, Jin returns to Yoshiwara to check on the owner's recovery and Saki follows along. Jin cannot understand why she is behaving coolly. Saki perks up when she learns that Jin had not indulged in any entertainment during his last visit to the pleasure quarters but her happiness dies down when Nokaze appears before them and asks Jin for help. She recognises Nokaze from the picture.
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
In regards to the lady who protests:
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I think she is the wife of the owner or someone pretty high up such as the one who takes care of the workers. Notice how Nokaze addressed her as "mother" when she pleading to let Jin do the operation
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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my guessing is that, based on tonight's episode, Nokaze is adopted by the ill man. That lady is the ill man's wife, 'cos she addressed him as goshujin.
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
hectic3 wrote:
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such as introducing Nokaze's story, and how the photo completely changed . I wonder what he saw right at the end as well (he said he saw something unbelievable). Can't wait for ep 5 where he makes penicillin, lol
I will rewatch it when the raw comes out though
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I think she suffers from veneral disease hence her condition. She's Nokaze's senior.
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
seirin wrote:
shouldn't the title list of actors be changed to Osawa Takao? Koide Keisuke isn't the main actor.
It should certainly have Nakatani Miki's name tooo!
hectic3 wrote:
In regards to the lady who protests:
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I think she is the wife of the owner or someone pretty high up such as the one who takes care of the workers. Notice how Nokaze addressed her as "mother" when she pleading to let Jin do the operation
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She is more likely the latter. The other person in the room is apparently another doctor who insisted on staying because he wanted to see if Jin could cure the owner.
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
It's really fun hearing ancient japanese too, its really nice somehow. also the way Nokaze talks, thats just new, never heard, at least the ending ''-rinssu" or so..
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
by the way why does Saki addresses herself always in the third person, like saki: saki will save jin-sensei? She does it more often than the other characters. Is it polite talk? Why doesn't she just use boku or atashi?
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
popoycanton wrote:
by the way why does Saki addresses herself always in the third person, like saki: saki will save jin-sensei? She does it more often than the other characters. Is it polite talk? Why doesn't she just use boku or atashi?
That's the Japanese way to say "I".
(I am not a Japanese, but I have watched a lot of dramas, )
It is still avoided to use "watashi" or any other pronoun to refer to oneself and I guess it was much more in Edo times.
Using a pronoun to refer to oneself might sound selfish. I would say, Saki is more polite and humble towards Jin for obvious reasons. She admires him.
I did not notice anything unusual about her using her name to address to herself. I would translate "Saki" as "I" or "me" in most cases, but it might take some of the fun out of it.
A modest adult daughter of a samurai saying "boku" is impossible.
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A question to the experts in Japanese history:
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Was it possible in the Edo period that a common physician marries a daughter of a samurai?
If not, Saki should hope that Sakamoto performs his historic mission which will ultimately lead to a major change in society.
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:57 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I have this feeling that JIN might get summoned to the ooku coz he's such a pro doctor. the ed song by MISIA is very nice. I've been listening to it everyday
btw, boku is mainly used by little boys, thats why Saki can never use it. Using watakushi is more proper in ancient times.
about the lady who protest:
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the official website calls her 女将. so she's probably both the wife and mistress of the place.
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:15 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
shioki wrote:
btw, boku is mainly used by little boys, thats why Saki can never use it. Using watakushi is more proper in ancient times.
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I would disagree with you there. Boku is the masculine form of I and its still used by adults even today. I certainly heard quite a few people use it whilst I lived in Japan for a couple of years. Watakushi is just the keigo form of I and again it is used in very formal occasions today.
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
yup...i agree with you, thats why i used 'mainly' I've heard older males and more guyish females using boku in dramas. it must be nice to have lived in japan. my exposure to japanese only comes from drama and my japanese lessons.
With all these talk about 'I', I wonder what kind of 'I' Jin uses...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
seirin wrote:
I don't think females can use boku. They would get looked at oddly. Same with ore. Only reason they would is if they were pretending to be a guy.
Funny that you said that. I had a tomboyish student (7th grader) who used Ore to address herself all the time. Recently some more females have started using Boku, which probably explains why you see it more often than not in Anime/J Dramas. As for the reason why they do that, I haven't a clue.
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