Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
WOO! Episode 15 was a doozy.
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Episode 15 was just wow . . .
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The revenge arc of this story is flat out brilliant. Going into Episode 13, you were expecting Sa Wol to just flip out, turn evil, and carefully plot out her revenge. Maybe steal her fiance or plant evidence all over the place. Maybe use her new benefactor's money to start out a plan for war.
You didn't think Sa Wol would help start out a play. You didn't think Sa Wol would become Hamlet.
Women of the Sun was from the same writer as Mae Ri (Ha Na's previous show, where she played a starving actress looking for her big shot), and here we see kind of a flip side of it. Here, the concept of play-in-play is used as a Shakespearean device, as a way to revisit the buried demons of the past, the sins between the sisters, and "foreshadow" the outcome . . . i.e. to make the lead character go through judgment, performance after performance, and then be destroyed through play and through reality.
At the same time, the play is a cathartic experience for Sa Wol, and a way to force the people she loves to see the truth, to see that she is that girl. It is Sa Wol's way to revisit her experience and to bring art and truth out of the experience. Traumatic experiences that she herself has just remembered.
Which leads to Episode 15 and how by the end of that episode, we finally have Sa Wol and Do Young finally confront each other properly, finally get it all out in the open by enacting a scene in the play in front of the public and in front of the men they love (who strangely seem to know the entire truth and yet remain passive about the two women, as if they're in plain denial of Do Young abandoning her sister)
And, here, it's a cathartic experience for Do Young. She says what she really wanted to say. If Sa Wol goes further, Do Young will "break her neck." If Do Young goes further, Sa Wol will ostracize Do Young leading her to death. They have become two demons to each other.
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Seriously, I was expecting her to make use of JS, come out to the press and create a tycoon media frenzy out of all this. But the sheer intensity in SW (thanks to Lee Ha na)'s eyes; the anger, sadness, madness - Just having her revenge right then and there couldn't possibly satisfy her thirst for vegeance. Beautifully executed. That final scene was just WOW. The sheer emotions coming off both actresses was intense.
DY (the red headed oprah, as I lovingly refer her)'s greatest mistake is biting off more than she can chew. Apparent in her career, family, and lovers. She wants to have the prestige of a aristocratic marriage with JS, yet behind closed doors, wants to fall back into the comfort of DW's arms. Her expectations are impossible - she wants to horde the cake, and eat it too.
Speaking of DW- It's safe to say that he gets a kick out of saving damsels in distress. Once SW's life seeimingly falls back to place, he loses interest in turn for DY's problems. I find it hard to imagine (especially in a genre like this) for him to let go of his first love so easily. Then to top it off with his aloof atitude towards SW, preeching on his moral pedastal to patch it all up (why he didn't tell DY the same thing is beyond me).
I can only imagine what they have in store for us in the last 5 episodes. I'm expecting one or two more plot twists that'll end in a climatic death. (it's pretty obvious how it's going to end anyways, I'm just wondering if DW is dumb enough to jump with her).
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Helw
I'm watching this drama on KBS world and it is fabulous, but i missed many episodes coz i traveled.
i searched for the torrent on d-addicts but i didn't find any thing. i was wondring why there isn't any files uploaded.. I hope we can find someone who will upload the episodes and the subtitles.
Thank u in ADVANCE (^_^)
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Kon Kon wrote:
Helw
I'm watching this drama on KBS world and it is fabulous, but i missed many episodes coz i traveled.
i searched for the torrent on d-addicts but i didn't find any thing. i was wondring why there isn't any files uploaded.. I hope we can find someone who will upload the episodes and the subtitles.
Thank u in ADVANCE (^_^)
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Thoughts on Episode 16 + 17
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Just exhausting . . . but for the most part, beautifully written. As the show is approaching the end, its starting to cash in its revenge drama chips. It's almost certain that Ji Young will forgive Do Young eventually. It's almost certain that Do Young will not end up with Joo Sae. It's almost certain that Do Young will probably be brutally undone. It's however not certain whether Do Young would choose to jump into the ocean (as she often says), or whether Dong Woo will be there by her at the ocean, when she has lost everything, when she can end it all or start anew. But it seems almost certain that she'll be there at the ocean.
Women in the Sun has turned into a wonderful character study on the differences between older and younger siblings. As they act out their revenge and deceit, they unknowingly fall back into the relationship of their childhood. They fight just like they did when they were kids. Ji Young would storm into Do Young's room. Ji Young would demand something of Do Young. Ji Young would threaten to tell mom. Do Young would use false promises. Do Young would resent Ji Young through her relationship with her mother. Ji Young, the younger sister, cannot understand why Do Young did this to her. The older sister doesn't know how to appease the fury of Ji Young.
Do Young, like many older sisters, feel that they were the parenting experiment for their parents. That it is their duty to bear the mistakes of their parents and to mantain the status quo or order of the house, and to live up to the expectations (or in this case, to hope for the love) of their parents. For all the evil things Do Young did to Ji Young, she also accepts Ji Young's anguish easily and does not strike back.
As the older sister, Do Young is crumbling under the weight. It is as if she is preparing for her execution, and that it will be a relief when everything she values is destroyed. And then, she will be merely a erasure smudge from the book of her own life.
Ji Young, like many younger sisters, feel that their identity is in the shadow of their older sister. That, for all of their efforts, they will always be compared (or pressured to exceed) the achievements and image of the older sister. And even in this house, Ji Young felt intimidated and inspired by SHin Do Young. Part of her had always adored her as the person she most wanted to be. For all the vengeful spite Ji Young has for Do Young, she cannot understand how the older sister could do this to her younger sister, could do this to her.
As the younger sister, Ji Young -- even after the reunion and the possibility of a romance with Joon Sae -- is confused with hatred and love, jealousy and a desire to forgive. She quietly loses herself; even when there is happiness, it is a mad, unstable happiness, because she is still looking for her mirror (her older sister) to reflect back.
I love the contrast in their romantic relationships. I love Do Young and Dong Woo. It is a relationship of the moon -- illicit, intimate, sad, quiet, tender and compassionate. It is the older sister, who values security and order above all else, finding the only relationship she can trust from the dark depth of her soul. I love Sa Wol and Joon Sae. It is a relationship of the sun -- bold, creative, inspirational, sweet, warm and hopeful. It is the younger sister, who values hope and inspiration above all else, finding the oppa prince who is still like a fairytale romance and who is always uplifting her.
This drama is the rare one where neither sendimentalism nor memories engender the connection between people. The drama is our habits, flaws and reactions put under extreme duress. Ji Young and Do Young reconnect as sisters, not because they like each other or because the good memories won over, but because they were always sisters. They can't, by habit and personality, help but be sisters to each other.
I love the action so much between the three actresses. The way Jung Ae Ri never goes for a histrionic to convey the emotional violence Do Young's mother levies upon Do Young. Again and again. Their scenes are consistently heart breaking. At various moments, Lee Ha Na's eyes go wild, then cold, then wild, the remorseful again. It creates a nervous, unsettling texture between her and Ji Soo; the sisters are much more casual than you think they would be.
But I think Kim Ji Soo is going to be a frontrunner for KBS Actress of the Year. She's able to articulate her character's cowardice and selfishness and overwhelming, overwhelming loneliness and sadness. Often as if a camera isn't there. At times, she pulls off the subtle trick with her voice and posture to turn herself into the oldest 12 year old ever, pitying herself privately in the car or in her bedroom or when scolded by her mother. It's a controlled performance that grounds the whole drama as her character study. "I didn't meant to do it" sounds so trite, but she makes her case for her character very strongly.
So many other things I like about the drama. The story mantains a strong professional drama narrative, and it does a marvelous job weaving revenge, deceit, and confession through Do Young's job as an announcer and Ji Young's play and recent job with the station. Her job has such high visibility, and so the workplace is like a minefield that DY sidesteps episode to episode. I like how the President's own secret and Eun Sub's thuggery makes the ending so unpredictable.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Coconico
I tried this website but i have some problems with mega upload that doesn't start downloading
I looked in their clubbox but episode one doesn't download too ..
I'm really sad
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I really enjoyed the ending of the show. It's a revenge melodrama, and if you've seen a few, you know that revenge melodramas end up at either point A or B. Women in the Sun is no different in that respect, but episode 20 took an interesting turn, It backed off the melodrama; it backed off most of the emotional release you expect in shows like these. Instead, the writer decides to bring all the themes together, and actually try to say something about Do Young.
The last 10 minutes or so, while not original, was beautifully, beautifully done, such a graceful, lyrical way to bring the theme of the story to an end. The big buzz over the show was Lee Ha Na's performance (as well as the intense, completely believable chemistry between Lee Ha Na and Kim Ji Soo), and the last scene distilled that all beautifully.
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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i really don't understand with the ending of this drama.. alive or died?
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She passes away on the beach. This was confirmed by the director.
Word is, the reason why you see her with Cha Dong Woo is because he also dies in an airplane crash going back to Hong Kong. But, they uhh left that scene out, because that would be incredibly stupid. So, as the scene is shown, it's just her being granted her wish in heaven (or hell or at least purgatory on Club Med. K-drama death? SWEET! )
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
My feelings were all over the place for the older sister. On one hand I could sympathize with her after seeing what kind of mother she has - also the father who tries to help but fails miserably at it. But on the other hand she deserved every bad thing that happened to her for what she did to her younger sister. I didn't like the ending, was pretty unsatisfying but it was OK I guess.
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Also, this Do Young/Dong Woo relationship? Was gagging the whole way through it. Didn't convince me at all.
On the brighter side, it was a terrific drama, my emotions were all over the place with the suspense and the cliff hangers they always gave us at the end of every episode. Great acting from them all. Definitely a kdrama I'd recommend.
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