groinkcaps shutting down ALL torrents

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

well, veoh is shut for almost whole europe and arabian countries starting today, so cant tell what will happen next..

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: Post Rating: -1

Dear GroinKy,

Oh! You didn't tell me you were having a retirement party! I see you have attracted your fair share of detractors, but I can't say it's really undeserved.

Well I was under the assumption that the K was for an alternate for C in caps, or Groin Kaps. Imitation being the highest form of flattery, that would make your Flying Dutchman on Veoh Groin Kaps' Kaps. Seriously, I'm not really sure I understand the indignation. You are upset because someone took something they stored electronically from a free source and is posting them on the internet? Isn't that the same thing you are doing? You are just closer to the source. (It's not like you even have to translate it.) You want to claim ownership of these shows you got for free that belong to someone else? I'm not sure, but I think all those show still belong to TBS, NHK, or whatever station that spent the money to create them, even if they have been broadcast. If you hang onto them for about 50 years they might fall into the public domain and you would have some rights to reproduce and sell them. I read your little site and I can't really tell if you are talking about yourself or someone else. It's really delicious irony.

Except the few people in Somalia or Laos or the few other countries that have not signed international copyright agreement treaties, everyone using this site is something of a thief. But people here frown on people making money on what's available here for free. People volunteer their time to put together subs and volunteer their equipment and connection to give to others. If everyone here took the attitude that you did then this place would fall apart. You were sharing something that people could share with each other, but you didn't want them to share it somewhere else. Ironically you were advocating on another thread that someone with limited monthly downloads should watch the show they want on sites you don't want your caps to be loaded onto.

To be honest, I think you are very jealous of Shinji. You have the technical knowledge to put that together and you have your own content and access to free content that would allow the site to grow. You are even violating copyright laws and distributing content you don't own. You just weren't clever enough to figure out how to keep yourself from getting sued. Get all the little fankids to post to your site and then you only have to take it down when someone notices. Big money for what was free.

I know you have a Hello Kitty habit to support, but selling a 250GB hard drive (which retail for less than US$100 now) for US$500 with a show on it seems silly (sure it's a 300 episode that was the most popular Japanese drama of all time, but still). I mean you were ranting about the markup on shipping that gingertoys2 was making on e-bay from 60 cents to $3. (For those of you slow in math, that's the exact same mark-up.)

I think your behavior and your bootlegging was tolerated because of the contributions you made, but if you have withdrawn those contributions then people here don't have any reason to excuse you. To misquote abcdefg, you, "in my humble opinion, deserve the wrath of the community" if you choose to abandon it. I agree that by seeking recognition and labeling your videos you do as much harm as the person uploading them. If you and everyone else here were a little less egocentric then there would be a better chance at keeping a low profile.

There are plenty of leachers out there and a core group of people that contribute a great deal to this site. If you want to pull out that's fine, but you are delusional to think that you have been betrayed. I think more than anything you've pissed people off by leaving with this kind of attitude.

I'll probably miss you myself, but my masochistic tendencies don't run deep enough to beg.

Much love and kisses from the lucid green fairy ♡

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Everyone who ever sees me posts now that i love anyone who spends even a fraction of their time posting. And i feel for Groink, i really do. but anyone who saw his posts KNOWS that this was coming, and was planned, even from the first moment they got posted. So i never downloaded, cause i knew Groink would leave, middle fingers in teh air, FTW!

So why i feel Groink is 100% justified in what he's doing i do feel a little for the people who really liked what you posted, don't have it anymore, and had ntohing to do with streaming, and would totally help u if they could.

just my take...

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

looks like the posted videos are no longer displayed on veoh

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Groink, thanks for all the shows you've uploaded over the years. Was hoping you'd finish Under the Same Roof. Sad

Whatever people's opinion of Groink, he has contributed a lot to English jdorama watchers.

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

To be perfectly blunt, not everyone *can* watch videos outside of streaming sites, and it seems like some subbers are even embracing streaming sites as methods for the distribution of their work. Not that this excuses anyone from stealing someone else's identity or work, but there is a real reason for the popularity of streamed videos that shouldn't just be dismissed offhand. The existence of these streaming sites and the ability for people unconnected to the original subbing/uploading process to post videos on them is something that should be approached with a more levelheaded outlook than you seem to be representative of if a community like this wants to continue to thrive as technology and general internet etiquette evolve through the years.

A fact of life when you're involved in transmitting someone else's original work to other people who do not normally have access to it (as is done here) is that your control over the original product is tenuous and situation-specific at best. You'll have an aneurysm if you let every misuse of the product you've passed along lead to feelings of being personally insulted (especially when the vast majority of the community is still acting in accordance with your demands, respecting your contribution, and so forth). Those who violate the general social contract that has been put in place in terms of how videos are distributed can still be dealt with to some extent through the actions available to any internet user (especially one with the support of an entire internet community like this one).

I also don't understand how you can claim some kind of special ownership over TV captures. I understand subbers wanting to keep their subtitles contained to their chosen means of distribution since it was their hard work that created the subbed file information, but weren't your captures only captures of someone else's subbing work to begin with? I don't remember very well since it's been years since I visited your site, but everything I've read on here and all of my hazy memories leave me with the impression that you're trying to lay claim to something that you did not directly create in any sense, and that now you may possibly sell it on DVD to other people (or have possibly *already* sold it).

If you do plan on selling TV captures on DVDs, then you're pretty much breeching the largely unspoken social contract we have with the original creators of the shows that results in communities like this being allowed to stay active even though they pass other people's original work around without any direct profits being sent back to the original creators. Communities like this do serve the purpose of getting larger audiences involved in what was at one point only a niche interest beyond the country of origin (as was the case for anime, I believe, and isn't that community still allowed to sub and disseminate works that have not yet been "licensed" since it helps distributors gauge market interest?) and, with this in mind, communities largely stay functional in the face of extreme copyright infringement by preventing anyone from profiting through the capturing or subbing of media. You might be doing worse to the community by selling DVDs like this than anyone who casually uploads a video to a streaming website, really, unless my knowledge of the evils of streaming video is lacking.

People stealing other people's online identities *is*, however, something of a big deal since it has to do with personal integrity and so forth, and I can see how that would piss you off. But, you can't possibly be using that as an excuse to sell your TV captures on DVD and think that that's okay, can you?
I know people who professionally caption and subtitle TV shows for television networks, and I doubt they'd be very happy about you laying claim to their work as it *seems* you are doing since they work hard to create a final product just like any subtitling group on *this* website has done, and that does not even speak to how the original production crews of the TV shows would feel in knowing that someone is profiting from their effort in such a way.

Correct me if I'm wrong in saying any of this or if you aren't in fact planning on selling your captures, but that's what it looks like to someone who is largely impartial in terms of this situation and who is stumbling about between these websites looking at the information available.

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0