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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I think it speaks volumes for Maou that I've already watched it twice, despite having other subbed drama episodes from this summer still sitting unfinished on my HD. Tongue
Toma definitely did do a lot of running and screaming. Sometimes I got a bit tired watching him. LOL But he was pretty good in this one, and it was nice to see him playing a part that was different from "the nice, funny guy who doesn't get the girl".

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Not that he got the girl here either... but from a certain perspective I suppose he got the guy since Naruse did pick Naoto over Shiori rather than backing away from his revenge.



Ohno was brilliant from start to finish! Wub He really deserved that award (as did Maou). Hope we get more Ohno dramas in the future!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

i've waited a long time to see this dorama and i really enjoyed it altough it was real hard stuff, esp. the ending. toma and ohno both did great jobs ^^ ...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I have now finished this drama.
I have a question about episode 9 (about 10 mins into it)

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I kept wondering if/why didn't Naoto recognize the footsteps of Naruse? Naruse left Souda's cellphone on when he walked away.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Keiko1981 wrote:
I have now finished this drama.
I have a question about episode 9 (about 10 mins into it)

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I kept wondering if/why didn't Naoto recognize the footsteps of Naruse? Naruse left Souda's cellphone on when he walked away.



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Not sure if you're implying that Naoto didn't hear the footsteps or that the footsteps should have been able to help him indict Naruse in some way. scratch

He sure seemed like he heard those footsteps to me. (though there's no way he could prove they were from Naruse; any hard soled shoe would make that sound on that warehouse floor.) The footsteps are part of what made Naoto panic so much and call Souda's name over and over. It was obvious that Amano Makoto was sending him a message about Souda, but he also couldn't tell if there might still be a chance to save his friend. (The loanshark collector friend was still alive though unable to communicate when Naoto found him, afterall.)

That was my take on it at least.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

a very good drama indeed!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

ryoko11 wrote:

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Not that he got the girl here either... but from a certain perspective I suppose he got the guy since Naruse did pick Naoto over Shiori rather than backing away from his revenge.



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He got the guy? haha I never thought of that, but it's true!



This drama was verrrrry good. I think the second half surpassed the first half in the level of awesomeness. The drama and evilness was fantastic, Toma's hair was unimaginably hot, and Ohno surprised me. haha

I was looking on crunchyroll and there was this one thread with a poll on who had the better acting, Ohno or Toma, and it was pretty much the battle of the fangirls, and Ohno of course won since he has a bigger fanbase because of Arashi. I am both a Toma fagirl and an Ohno fangirl, most definitely more of a Toma fangirl, but with acting I am very objective. If Toma was a crap actor, I wouldn't be as big a fan as I am. Nevertheless, I think Toma was the best. Not to say Ohno was bad, but I believe he could have given more to Naruse. Toma was able to portray Naoto's emotions better
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like when you can just tell by the look in his eye he was pissed when his father died

, but Ohno didn't capture that. But Toma really seems to have a gift for acting, so it would be hard for people to compete with him.

Both kicked ass in the last scene, though. Hands down. I was Suprise the entire time.

The last scene was odd thought, and I think the drama would have been better off if it had been taken out.[/spoiler]
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infundibuliform wrote:
... but with acting I am very objective.

nope. you're not.

Toma was good but Ohno is the better actor, hands down.
The best man did won and I hope Ohno will win more award for this.
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I also think Ohno outdid Toma...
Although Toma was convincing, there is something about his acting that feels a tad bit too rush and jumpy... Not that I am saying Ohno's acting in Maou is superb either... its just that this time around, other than the over the top theatrical evil gaze...(my take of course), he shines more
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:01 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

What was it that made Ohno act better than Toma in Maou?

After reading my post, I see how I didn't portray how I was being objective, so I'll try to explain myself. lol

I noticed that Ohno and Maou acted each other out in one half of the drama more than the other. Ohno was best in the first have because I didn't like Toma's drop to the floor and screaming bit, and Ohno rocked the "but they only did self-defense" lines. However, Toma was best in the second half because he was better able to convey emotions, thus making himself more believable.

What made me not think Ohno was the better, in the whole, was how he pretty much gave Naruse two faces. That angelic "What, me?" kind of face and the evil stare. That can only go so far. I recognize that Naruse is a calm guy, but even the most laid back people have more than a couple looks. Toma had a more act now, think later character, and he effectively showed the act now, think later. Naoto would find a card, go, "Oh...crap. Amano strikes again!!" and sprint off to gather info, and Toma was able to capture Naoto's unease with waiting for answers or dealing wit the consequenses of acting rashly. Toma was able to pull off Naoto's personality and reactions better than Ohno did. Toma was able to get expression and characteristics of Naoto better than Ohno for Naruse.

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In the final showdown between Naoto and Naruse where Naruse wanted Naoto to shoot him, both Ohno and Toma acted exceptionally well. Both were able to pull me into the scene and have the suspense on high. Both conveyed their characters extremely well, but if I had to pick which character I was watching more than the other, that would be Naoto. Because Toma had the rage, inner dilemma, and fear Naoto felt down. Honestly, before Naruse began to beg for Naoto to shoot him, I was I debating how a guy stabbed in the stomach should act when he had been sitting on a bench and walking for a while, but I shrugged that off for Naruse wanting to be strong when he faced Naoto, the adrenaline from the situation taking away the pain, and an error in film making that is inevitable. I guess that was more of a goof than a fault on Ohno's part, since Toma and Kasai both died instantly with close to the same wounds, and the little brother too had the same wound Naruse had.



But, yeah. I thought Toma acted better.
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I thought this drama was superb. Ohno and Toma both performed very well, although I must admit that I did think Ohno was the better of the two. I came into Maou not expecting much from Ohno, since this was his first lead role (I am choosing not to count the movies he starred in with the rest of Arashi), but he absolutely blew me away. The acting was understated and subtle, not overacted like I've noticed a lot of popular young idols have a tendency to do. I felt like he balanced the role perfectly and managed to create a sympathetic character out of a "devil". I would love to see him in another drama soon.
Toma was good as well, but I think that he has room to grow as an actor. I felt that he was walking a fine line, and sometimes he was quite good, but other times he just didn't quite nail it. I do think that he has the potential to become an actual good actor though, not just a pretty face to draw ratings. Hopefully he'll have more opportunity to stretch himself in the future.
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How can Japanese people not love this show? It's AWESOME. Both Toma and Ohno were brilliant. I have to say that Ohno was better. But Toma was not bad either. He really made the role. I love them both.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I haven't seen this yet,but I heard it's really awesome. I checked for trailer and it seems very good.
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The last scene in the final episode had me thinking: uwah... what did she see? Some kind of left-over memory that would have rendered everything that both Naoto and Naruse did, meaningless... ?

What do you think she saw?

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i was also like this scratch but i think ohnos wound was still not as deep as kansais or hideos... and a shoot is a shoot. so it is possible, without any mistakes, that he was able to go this far before he died. and if he went to a hospital i think he would be saved easily. just, if you do nothing at all.. ya. and the acting was good but i liked ohnos better than tomas.. maybe because toma really FAILED as a detectiv - my opinion - cuz there was no passion showed in his acting, for his job, his life... even at the end, when his brother and father died - n o t h i n g - so much dead in such a short time isn't this easy to handle and it is just lazy to turn him in a man who seeks a lil bit revenge.
all in all an awesome dorama and the best ending ever... no one left who should die, fairplay

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Vider wrote:
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The last scene in the final episode had me thinking: uwah... what did she see? Some kind of left-over memory that would have rendered everything that both Naoto and Naruse did, meaningless... ?

What do you think she saw?



i was wondering about the same thing too! i was like... is there a MAOU 2? Blink lolz...

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