Are karaoke FX possible with softsubs?

hello ^_^
I've only seriously softsubbed 3 episodes of a drama so far (mostly self-taught), and thought I'd try and take another step into fansubbing: karaoke.

I've read about this in several forums. Some people say karaoke FX work on softsubs, others say they don't. Well, mine don't XD
I did the timing using substation alpha and later used aegisub for styles (I can't for the life of me get styles to work on SSA -__-). I didn't use any complex FX, only k in ssa and K in ass. They both show nicely on VDmod, but a normal player shows a static line with half of it styled as if already sung and the other as if not.

So yeah, that was the main question. maybe I'm asking too much of softsubs?
thank you ^_^

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

.SRT files do not support any sort of style tags. .ASS is a different story... It supports tags... though actual FX will probably make everything run in slow motion because it's a lot of data to precess in each millisecond. Granted, I've never tested this theory since I try to avoid provoking my computer into crashing. It will for sure put strain on things in programs like aegisub and vdubmod... so logically natural playback would have issues too.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

@Puppet Princess:
Yes, Aegisub has a little trouble with just k & K. when i tried adding other fx to see what they did it went wacko XD VDmod works better, but i can hear the computer fan increasing speed when i use it.

@slaw:
I'm on the verge of tears!!! it worked (how tiny things can make one happy) ^_^ thank you for the tips.

with your last comment though, if one plans on distributing softsubs I guess it is usually preferable not to include karaoke fx , since one can't know what computer users have. can't expect everyone to have the latest technologies. i think i read somewhere something about having at least 1.5 GHz -probably referred to an intel pentium 4 though since i think it was an old post.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Yes, that's because doing the actual effects take a lot of mathematical computation for where the letters are and then graphical computation for putting them onto the video. This is why Puppet said that usually, you hardsub karaoke effects, since it's basically impossible to get anything fancy to play in realtime.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

yes of course, maths has to complicate everything ! but where would we be without it (^_^)v yeah i think i exaggerated when i wanted to try out the \t function XD
but then, how do subbers preview their work before hardsubbing karaoke when they use more intrinsic fx? do they go on a write the code-hardsub-preview cycle?

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Some effects are just other effects with different colors, sizes, etc. So the fansubber already knows what it looks like. If not, then you either live with it being super slow (which is okay if you have a newer computer) or hardsub a portion of it (for example, 15 sec out of a 2 min song) and see what it's like). In general, hardsubbers (should) always look at their subbed video before distributing it, and a surprising amount of videos actually get encoded many, many times before being distributed.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

actually, complex karaoke effects are possible in softsubs. I've watched some .mkv muxes in other anime fansub groups that i'm quite sure they are softsubs (checked the streams myself). Though mostly, the effects most of the time stays away from \t as much as possible (mostly \fad or \move, etc)

most of the karaokes i make, \t is very overused pinch

so most of the time, i encode a sampler first and show it to the coordinator of the project. As it'll prolly be lagging if I just gave the softsubs and tested it themselves (not knowing some mistimings, errors, etc).

and also, when using aegi as karaoke fx maker - be sure that you also use the same vsfilter in encoding to have exact effects you see at aegi preview.

PS: i just love the new karaoke automation of aegi :p though i still don't know how to compute the exit of the lines =/

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

aah, i still have to play around with all that stuff.
oh yeah i read with mkv it's possible.
\t is still awkward for me! whatever i write doesn't work pinch

thanx for the aegi tips ^_^

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

i honestly can't live in the fansubbing world without \t pinch

i use it all the time in almost everything.

especially when i sub tokusatsus - in TV-Nihon's Jyuken Sentai Gekiranger and Kamen Rider Kiva typesets - i really really overuse it lol pinch

suketeru-dono, i suggest experiment a lot on \t's Smile

and observe karaokes too. for example, one of my idols in karaoke effects making, KingOfBeer - try to watch his stuffs (most of the time his works are in Kuraki-Fans fansubs) - and all of them i know are possible with .ass or .ssa.

PS: I plan to post one of these days a tutorial in karaoke effects making when i have the time Smile

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

thank you so much. i'll check KingOfBeer's work. and I look forward to your tutorial ^_^ will you be posting it here @DA ?

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Any tutorials that could help me implememnt Karaoke SFX in some subs I'm currently doing?

I need some help/guidance.

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

There are many aegisub tutorials available for sfx, from simple k-replacements to writing your own lua scripts. Aegisub provides some on its own wiki and others have made them as well. It all depends on what you want. Just google for it.

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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0