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[2009] IRIS Lee Byung Hun and Kim Tae Hee *Updated 10/10/08*

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:20 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

man... i've been hearing about this drama every where... with a superb cast...i hope the script and storyline lives up to expectations....

well...even if the story isn't good...i'll still watch it for the actors/actresses.... a lot of people i like are in it...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: wow`   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

wow im was like shock by the trailer it gonna be an amazing show.. has any sub group picked it up yet???
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I think WITHS2 proposed to do the subs for it as you can see here >> http://fansub.d-addicts.com/With_S2#POSSIBLE_FUTURE_PROJECTS

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I stumbled across the trailer some time ago and I'm really anticipating the drama since then. I haven't watched many KDramas so far, but I have high hopes that this drama will be really, really good =]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

ooh, should be aired today, can't wait for the subs ^o^

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Definately gonna watch this, more b/c there is T.O.P in it ;D
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Non-spoiler thoughts on First Episode . . .

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The first episode was flat out brilliant. Goes beyond anything I've ever seen done in J-drama thrillers and transcends 24-style histrionics into something that resembles the first Bourne Identity. Autumnal, melancholy, claustrophobic, gritty, even poetic.

The budget is obviously there, but the director Kim Kyu Tae is in full command of the filmmaking idioms associated with thrillers. First, I love how he dialed back the music, and instead of manufacturing full-on frenzy, he goes QUIET (like the first Bourne Identity movie.) He turns down the volume in all figurative aspects of the word. Goes intimate, knows how to shoot the chase scenes tight, how much Greengrass-style handicam shaky action to use, and when to use master shots in order to survey territory, rather than merely showing off the money that went into this. This is exactly what I hoped for when Kim Kyu Tae was hired to direct this.

It's not saying much, but I have a feeling that Kim Tae Hee's character Choi Seung Hee may end up one of the best female characters in Choi Wan Kyu's cannon. Here, the KTH casting actually works brilliantly in the first episode, because when the plot twist happens toward the end, you realize all along that you really don't know Seung Hee. Consider that the biggest monster may be Choi Seung Hee, . . .

In terms of story, Iris definitely reflects Choi Wan Kyu's personal tropes. The All In-style opening sequence. The "boys will be boys" emphasis on military comraderie. The macho code. The love of all things geeketry. Yet we also see something new here. Choi Wan Kyu reveals us not a superhero spy -- which we assumed Lee Byung Hun would be -- but a character who may have been forced into something he was never prepared for. A man much frailer, much sadder than what we've seen in Lee Byung Hun's headliner dramas.

The woman that he/they love. Is she worst thing that ever happened to his life? Boom Boom Pow.

Lee Byung Hun is wonderful here. If you haven't watched his comedy work or period stuff like Once in a Summer, then you probably haven't seen his impish, adolescent side. He's one of the few major Korean male leads who can inhabit a role with full-on, soul-stirring gravity of a Choi Min Soo, or be equally convincing as a silly, rather stupid-minded brat. Here, he gets to do both in the first episode.

But, this show is simply loaded with STAR POWER. Jung Joon Hoo doesn't get to eat scenery like Lee Byung Hoon, but his natural, easy charm, ease with comedic ad-lib, and just general flexibility doesn't really feel like a support role. He seems like a true Bro to LBH; the only other time where I felt this kind of bond was during All In, between LBH and Hu Joon Ho. Kim Seung Woo, who hasn't done a lot of action since the thriller Yesterday, is smooth, efficient, and worldly in his role so far. Kim So Yeon plays the female counterspy with the femme efficiency you'd easily expect from Kim So Yeon. These performances feel lived-in. They really seem like the top spies around them.

Which leaves Kim Tae Hee. Her enigmatic Choi Seung Hee is the joker card of the first episode, and therefore she is the most fascinating character. What is she thinking? Why is her agenda? What is behind that beatific face, that smart posturing, that blankness? This character feels like it was WRITTEN FOR HER, that only a Kim Tae Hee could play this, because literally this character seems written with your perception of KTH in mind.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Thoughts on Episode 2 . . .

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There's elements of 24, Alias, Femme Nikita in Episode 2. And even the same kind of dread that we see in the Dark Night. There's little snark and self-satisfaction during their initation into the NSS. Instead, there's dread.

There's 2 main directors working this project, and sometimes I feel there are definite breaks in style during the episode. Obviously a lot of it involves lighter, funny moments, but that seems consistent with Kim Kyu Tae's work, finding interesting camera angles that suit the situational comedy. Some of the action bits here are a bit more conventional.

Episodes 2 reasserts why LBH earns the big bucks. That was quite possibly the best kissing scene I've ever seen in K-drama. Sensual, soulful, dangerous, emotional, conflicted, pure. The way at one point, it seems Kim Tae Hee's neck falls back, as she seems to surrender into kissing Lee Byung Hun. The way he smirks ruefully after she slaps him, and then kiss her once more forcefully not aggressively. The way she walks out and he puts one arm back to think about what just happened, to think about whether what happened was actually a good thing.

I think they broke some K-drama record in main leads falling in love. But this is where LBH earns the big bucks. The sheer power of that scene enables us to believe that they're "together" by just barely an episode and a half.

Much credit also goes to Choi Wan Kyu. For the first time in years, we have a script from him that doesn't feel merely like a first-draft pastiche of American TV and bad 80s action flicks. The writing is disciplined, adult, very well paced, while retaining the comedic and romantic elements we associate with K-drama.

The romantic aspect in Iris is strong. Kim Kyu Tae also shot World That They Live In, and though the writing is not sharpened for relationship nuances, there's a quiet, warm style that is shared with the drama. I can't hide my enthusiasm for Kim Kyu Tae getting the director's role here. He really understands the different film grammar between genres. For example, he uses a lot of handicam (perhaps too much) for the thriller bits. But during the romantic bits, he locates the characters within the overall frame of the picture, and he knows how to slow it down and quietly let us in on their intimate moment. You guys know what I'm talking about if you've seen World That They Live In. But he also did the same thing for A Love to Kill -- if you recall all the times that Rain and Mina kiss or have that stolent moment, there's a lot of filmmaking technique used to properly capture that intimate moment that you rarely see with other directors working in K-drama.

The romantic triangle is beautifully done here. Part of Iris's natural strength is that because you do have 2 film stars in the male lead role, you can kinda do the buddy bits and the triangle bits in narrative shorthand. They'll take care of the emotional work for you. By the end of episode 2, you have a triangle and you have a couple in love and it feels natural.

The other thing I love about Iris is that, like the first Bourne Identity movie, it's likely that the majority of this drama will take place during the autumn or winter. There's a lot of comedic moments, but it already feels like melancholy and fatalism will eventually take over the show. In effect, these are the last days of light before the clouds gather and sigh the sun away.



Finally, where this show (and Koreans thrillers in general) has advantages over the thriller fare we see in the Americans, is that the lead characters are not really written to be "cool." They're written to be practical, and so we dwelve into the NSS world, we are persistently aware that the business they are in is a nasty one. Not in an ironic way. Not in an political intrigue way. But that people do become monsters in this work.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Love your thoughts on the show. I won't be watching it yet because I don't think I can take the stress of having to wait for the episodes every week. Anyway hope you will post your thoughts as the drama moves along.
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Third episode was kind of slow paced but wonderfull written and well shot.

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Seems like in episode 4 we are going back to the present, means after LBH got shot and blown up in the first episode. Definitly going to watch it.

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Thanks for your thoughts on the drama belleza. I also thought Kim Tae Hee wasn't that bad as some other bloggers said her to be. True, she seemed blank or stiff in character, but I think that's the point the director wanted to take.

Her character is hard to read and the end of ep1 (only episode I watched so far) surprised me. Like WTH was she thinking?!! It was all set up from the beginning. Surely, this drama has already gotten my interest. Much different when I watched Swallow of the Sun, because I just didn't feel moved by the characters from the start of that drama. Continued watching it till ep7-8 but the lack of addictive storyline made me drop it. Hopefully, IRIS doesn't become dull and keeps up its unpredictable and shocking storyline ... especially for someone who has watched too many Korean cliches.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Thoughts on Episode 3

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So far, Iris had been lucky in juxtaposing the spy thriller bits with the romantic/rom-com elements. However, in episode 3, it stops the show. At the end of the day, Iris works only if the viewer is invested in the missions, the conspiracies, the murky, gritty sadness of this life. From that must come the romance.

The kissing scene in Episode 2 worked because we were just exposed to a scene where Choi Sung Hee presided over the torture of Hyun Joon and Sa Woo. We realize that she was instrumental to their inclusion in the NSS. These elements inform the argument they have and their kissing scene. And it's an important contrast with the violence and confusion that began with the episode.

However, here, the first half of the show is basically Their Vacation Trip interleaved with TOP on his killing spree. It's off putting, because Their Vacation has little to do with the mayhem spliced in it. Their scenes feel inappropriate. Maybe if they fit this in later in the episode or in another episode, after we've fully integrated TOP's formal introduction or the ongoing interest of the President in the NK's nuclear program or -- most importantly -- we review the revelation that Hyun Joon has amnesia.

FWIW, I think handling a full romantic plot is inherently difficult with spy thriller. I thought Rondo made a huge mistake trying to put in an old fashioned romance within an Infernal Affairs-style framework. Even in Time of Dog and Wolf, the romance only reinforced my annoyance at Nam Sang Mi's character, since she became the proverbial damsel in distress. And I imagine Iris will eventually take that route, but hopefully not too soon.

I've been happy with Iris because the show established Choi Sung Hee as an alpha female character. She is not only their boss, but she is also chilly to the emotional and ethical ramifications of their work. That is, she seems unmoved by the fact that NSS could very well be as bad as the bad guys. Moreover, she drinks more than they do (there's a undercurrent of alcoholism here BTW -- she's a legitimate hard drinker here and she seems to use it instead of reacting emotionally) She plays the negotiator here. She runs a lot of the missions.

Aside from that, the thriller part of Episode 3 was a smashing success. Yes, there's too much panning. And I thought the music was too pervasive. But TOP's entrance was easily as brutal as you seen on an episode of 24. The way everything was shot tight and with a cold efficiency recalled the last two James Bond films. In fact, this is even more violent than Choi Wan Kyu's the Lobbyist. There's blood sprayed in various places, and the violence are choreographed with an emphasis on cracked necks, bullets to the forehead, etc. No fooling -- this would get a MA in the States.

The Vacation scenes -- taken in isolation of the episode's framing story -- was really well done. Again, this is the director of World That They Live In, and like that show, he uses longer takes to allow actors to interact within the frame of a scene. They are allowed to pause, then respond. And we are allowed to observe them as a couple without so much manipulation or excessive use of music. While it's true that there's a lot of standard "Lovers in Japan" stuff here, the show does a really good job depicting them as adults. He is a goofball (BTW, it should be noted that we haven't seen Hyun Joon as a true assassin.) She is, again, a hard drinker, a neat freak, a lot less sentimental or emotional. . There's a really nice scene where she is expecting a gift from him in the restaurant. When the outcome isn't what she expected, she pouts and snaps at him. He tries to make up and he succeeds. The whole sequence makes us believe in them as a real, normal couple, because the director allows us to simply watch them, and allows the actors to react according to their own rhythms.

One of my favorite scenes is when Sa Woo reacts to the two getting together, Hyun Joon talking about getting married and Seung Hee half agreeing on it. The director does a lot of closeups of Sa Woo's reactions, and you can easily see both his hurt and his regard for his friends. There's no music or Sa Woo dialogue to lead us to feel sorry for him. We just do, because Jung Joon Ho beautifully acts that part.

I really enjoyed the church scene. First off, we can see that Choi Sung Hee is a true hard ass when she's talking to the scientist. Manipulating, using guilt, etc. Whatever to get him to come over to their side. Second, the conversation between the scientist and Hyun Joon foreshadows what is about to come for HJ. Remember, up to this point, he's still a n00b in the NSS. He hasn't recovered his memory and realized that NSS has been involved with him before. He doesn't know how bad people get at NSS. He hasn't even been warned about how he could become a monster. He walked into a situation without realizing the consequences.

The nuclear weapon plot is intriguing, since it cals into question what agenda the President himself has. Much like an episode of 24, we start to see a layer cake of interests, agendas, and so on. Hopefully Episode 3 was just a functional bump and then they can fully commit to Boom Boom Pow fun with Episode 4.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Wow...belleza.. reading your insight of Iris makes me enjoy the drama even more. I did not realize the minor aspects of the film making can actually highten our perception of the whole scene. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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The first ep was interesting. There was shooting for the guys, and topless guys for the girls. I just hope there are topless/scantily clad women later on (only for balance of course). Or, failing that, at least big explosions and gunfights.

The pacing seemed to be good, and the plot looks like it won't be linear, thankfully. The budget looks like it was well used, let's hope that it continues right to the end. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
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Quick thoughts on Episode 4 . . .

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I flat out loved Episode 4. The problem with most American spy shows is that they often don’t spend enough time going through the preparation, execution, and then failure of the mission. The 2nd half of Episode 4 played a little bit like Michael Mann, in that there’s a lot of mundane procedural stuff. Even if it’s not really that realistic, it establishes place, mood and texture within the narrative of a mission.

Above all, it makes you more aware how LBH’s character is set up to fail. There’s no real good reason why he had to go lone wolf here. There’s no true exit strategy. There’s no real plan. For all those things — and because we already know the outcome — the viewer becomes anxious over the agenda of the vice director. The Choi Seung Hee character is important here, because she — who is in charge of direction missions — immediately picks up that this is no way to execute a mission.

I don’t really see this as Western vs. Eastern, per se. Korean cinema, in general, really sticks out to me compared to Chinese or Japanese cinema, because a lot of the visual idioms and pacing (such as the behind-the-person camera shot) are reminiscent of 70s American cinema (which is great.) The first 2 episodes of Kim Kyu Tae’s drama “Love to Kill” play a little bit like a David Fincher. It’s not surprising.

I don't really buy into IRIS is a rehash of 24 and Alias. The Bourne movies sure . . . but then again, Doug Liman's Bourne Identity was very, very different from Paul Greengrass's Bourne movies. (Greengrass was the dude who made the psuedo-docudrama shaky cam idiom popular in action scenes. If you've seen his docudramas Bloody Sunday or United 93, nobody is better at simulating chaos.) One reason why I like IRIS is that elements of it recalls what Doug Liman was doing with Bourne Identity, which was to place the standard spy thriller in autumn/winter and make everything wet. That changes how you watch the spy thriller, because it introduces strong tones of dread, melancholy, loneliness, and so on. Iris's Hungary scenes had a bit of that.

If anything, Iris is more like how action movies were done before CGI. The director does a good job laying the terrain of the mission before the execution of it. Because you see LBH methodically going through the scouting, planning, as well as the weapon's preparation, he doesn't seem like a "superspy." Rather, he seems like a well-trained Special Forces soldier, which is what he is. But that also makes what's missing -- his team -- so conspicious. You think to yourself "why the hell is he going out this alone?!?" And of course, it's because he IS supposed to fail. You only get that if the director emphasizes a procedural element in the story. Moreover, when LBH's character is escaping, there isn't a lot of gun pyrotechnics or Chuck Norris-style fighting. He's simply trying to run away -- but he's also in a ridiculous amount of pain and he can't think straight. As he's walking away, you notice he's going pale and his decision making is slowing down. It's all simply done, but the director does a good job establishing that LBH's character is in big, big trouble, and the story matter of factly presents this. In that sense, this part of the story is less like a typical spy thriller and more like something that you'd see in a Western. The gunman is shot; he's bleeding to death; he's in a strange place.

I think the story still needs to work on balancing its action bits and its lovey-dovey bits. It’s conventional, but necessarily so. (Can’t realistically do a story like Story of a Man or Mawang, even though it would have made a more original story.) The spy bits needs to set up the romance, not the way around.

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