Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
jesamine wrote:
Just a question.. not sure if this is a spoiler but those who haven't watched maybe skip reading this part!
What did he mean when he said to Miyama san, that he wanted her to be by his side, forever? Was that a proposal in code or something?? Or did he just want her as his secretary forever? Japanese subtleties are sometimes just that... way too subtle!!
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It was s proposal..see the rings ^o^
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
ahh... all have been said..
^... that's very sharp eyes u have
anyway, i find most A actors or actress tend to stick to sth they r familiar or good at..
never trying to be unprecedented roles in drama.
i mean trying on a role that challenge their art ..like hanging between failure or success to the drama..
most of them take on drama that they know it would be in between if not success.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
i just finished this series yesterday ... i have to say that among all of kimutaku's works that i've seen this is his best series (followed very closely by PRIDE ... mainly because of takeuchi yuko and BEAUTIFUL LIFE)
regarding casting ... i think kimutaku is perfect for CHANGE ... sometimes i even feel that the writers script the drama especially for him and it's understandable considering that they wrote HERO too ... but i do think that his characters and facial expressions are somewhat similar from one dramas to the next ... even to the extent that if i have the script in front of me i can probably imagine how he will act a particular scene
the only one actor whom i don't really like in CHANGE is terao akira ... he shows the same facial expressions throughout the series it's like he's wearing a mask ... but maybe that's what his character supposed to show -- a person with a mask who is very difficult to read and showing very little emotions ... looking back to his role in yasashii jikan IMO he's portraying the exact same character there as in CHANGE ... emotionless ... although yuichi's character is really different from kanbayashi's character
the only drama of takenouchi yutaka that i've seen was long vacation ... and he starred with kimutaku there i was neither impressed or disappointed by his acting because his character didn't make a big impression on me ... and it doesn't help that i don't really like the drama (though i love the piano pieces there) but i have a feeling that with the current script only kimutaku can deliver ... takenouchi might be able to portray asakura better than kimutaku but then it'll be a different asakura ... so we can't really compare the two because it'll be comparing apple and orange ...
overall ... i really enjoyed this drama ... the best this season for me
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
sigh... I still hv 25% left to download... feel like forever.
Since there's been much discussion on Kimura's acting ability, I would like to add my 2 cents worth (if I may). Firstly, for a script to suit an actor/actress (vice versa) is a norm. Isn't it suppose to be that way? So far I enjoyed all his dramas, from Love Generation to Good Luck to Hero and now, CHANGE. I do agree with some that his roles are pretty similiar. But somehow, he manage to rise to the occasion. I guess it all boils down to wether you like his acting or not. Once you're hooked, you'll enjoy the rest. Of course my last point is rather bias, hehe, if I do say so myself :p
All of u guys hv yr points, some I agree, some I do... but hey, thats what discussion is for.
Anyway, would also like to thank MASSUKI FANSUB for all their hardwork. You guys ROCK.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
epi wrote:
...but i do think that his characters and facial expressions are somewhat similar from one dramas to the next ... even to the extent that if i have the script in front of me i can probably imagine how he will act a particular scene
In Karei naru Ichizoku, I thought he did a pretty damn good job trying to pull away from his "trademark image" (as mentioned in the quote); if that's even the intention to begin with.
And the result of his new (serious) acting was great as well, made me look at him in a different light after that.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
chokubi wrote:
epi wrote:
...but i do think that his characters and facial expressions are somewhat similar from one dramas to the next ... even to the extent that if i have the script in front of me i can probably imagine how he will act a particular scene
In Karei naru Ichizoku, I thought he did a pretty damn good job trying to pull away from his "trademark image" (as mentioned in the quote); if that's even the intention to begin with.
And the result of his new (serious) acting was great as well, made me look at him in a different light after that.
Maybe Epi meant his 'taking out his spectacles' scene. I seem to see it quite a bit. IMHO.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Skyler88 wrote:
Maybe Epi meant his 'taking out his spectacles' scene. I seem to see it quite a bit. IMHO.
I've seen most of KimuTaku's dramas and his whole array of "similar" expressions that he recycles from time to time. Like Epi, I've identified a few myself.
And for what's worth, she did mention expressions. Sorry to nitpick.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I think Kimutaku's expression is pretty much the same when he expresses certain emotions but he plays the average guy which I guess is himself. He doesn't over act or under acts. Basically not very annoying and he seems to have charisma or else I wouldn't be drawn in. As for Takenouchi doing better than takuya, I doubt it. I like watching Takenouchi and all and he's a great looking guy, but he also has his own quirks (personal expression) that is seen in other dramas too. I'm not sure if it's the story line or his acting but I find myself bored watching his dramas in the past few years. I loved him in Hoshi no kinka, ice world, with love and he was some what fun to watch (eye candy, bad story line) in beach boys, but overall he seems to portray the serious guy best. Slapstick doesn't seem his nature. I also thought Takuya's speech at the end was pretty touching. Would Takenouchi have done better? Probably not. I can't recall when I've ever been really moved by Takenouchi's line but I was moved by Takuya's lines in several dramas. As for Takuya being the best actor out of JE, I do agree. I haven't watched any other JE actor I liked more than Takuya. I'm not a Takuya fangirl either. Frankly Takenouchi is much better looking IMO ^^; As for Takuya being above average entertainer. I don't know if you mean his singing. But his singing is average as a professional singer. He's really not such an awesome singer.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
chokubi wrote:
I've seen most of KimuTaku's dramas and his whole array of "similar" expressions that he recycles from time to time. Like Epi, I've identified a few myself.
And for what's worth, she did mention expressions. Sorry to nitpick.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I watched the final episode yesterday and was greatly impressed, I think that was the episode that i enjoyed the most, it was simply AWESOME especially Kimutaku's Speech scene. I didn't think of checking how long it aired bec i really enjoyed it VERY much and even cried in some parts, really KimuTaku proved he's the best actor around.(and yeah now that u say it i think this scene's definitely a record )
I don't know what's with trying 2 imagine another actor playing Asakura's role, maybe bec i really find it meaningless 2 do so, but i have 2 say i don't agree with anyone who thinks that another actor could have played Asakura's role better than Kimura. gotta be kidding, that particular role seems like it's been designed specifically 4 Kimura Takuya, and he did a great job portraying it as was expected
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The distinguishing features of Asakura's character was that "He had the words" (passionate), and that people are drawn to him (charisma/charm). The character was clearly designed specifically for KimuTaku. No one else could've possibly matched him in this role.
u simply speak my mind
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There were many scenes in Change that clearly showed up Kimura Takuya's acting ability. One particular episode was I think 7 or 8 where he felt anguished and perhaps betrayed but he just couldn't portray the build up of those emotions. So they had to settle for some creative camera work to try to convey the somber, dark mood.
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I totally disagree with u on that part, in fact i thought his acting in that particular episode was simply a masterpiece, starting the part when he was shocked at Miyama and then all the way untill the camera showed his crying face at the end of the episode, I actually think they meant on purpose not 2 show his face untill the end, not because they thought he wouldn't be able 2 portray the emotions like u said, but because they wanted u 2 try imagining how he felt with all the shocks he went through and then get shocked seeing the tears on his face (or at least that's how it worked 4 me) i was even impressed at that particular part bec i felt Kimura was able 2 convey the emotions of the character sooo well even if the camera only showed his back.
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I also noticed the rings in the final scene (maybe bec i was expecting 2 see them so i concentrated on their hands )
I'm really sooooo sorry this drama ended, and hope like everyone else that they make a special or a movie, though i really like the ending this way (not showing whether he was able 2 win the second elections and become a PM again or not)
I think CHANGE is the best drama i've watched this year, I'm really gonna miss it
Finally i'd like 2 thank Massuki 4 providing such great subs
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I really enjoy this one, thanks for the uploads and subs.
Anyone see the mild resemblance of the show's title CHANGE and the Change campaign by the current Democratic candidate for the presidential race in US.
I don't know who is copying who, may be it is just coincidence.
Politics is not boring, its the people in there that makes it boring.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
snow_of_dawn wrote:
I don't know what's with trying 2 imagine another actor playing Asakura's role, maybe bec i really find it meaningless 2 do so, but i have 2 say i don't agree with anyone who thinks that another actor could have played Asakura's role better than Kimura. gotta be kidding, that particular role seems like it's been designed specifically 4 Kimura Takuya, and he did a great job portraying it as was expected
i agree with you the role of asakura really fit to kimura and no one else.
and i don't agree to those who said that kimura is not a good actor because of his same facial expression that been seen to all his drama. you see i'm very picky of actors that i like. the one that i attracted to me of kimura is his eyes it's very expressive. by just looking to his eyes you can tell his emotion on it whether his bored, impatient, hurt, sad, anger, love and of course if he wants to flirt you can read it in his eyes. you see i'm a person who like a very expressive eyes not just the facial expression. so far kimura delivered his role to all his drama so natural that it only fit only for him alone. he really internalized those character that in the end it looks so natural and fit only to him alone. so far i had not yet encountered another actor that could move me or make me watched all his drama like kimura.
and i would like to say thank you very much from the bottom of my heart to Massuki for the subbed they had done for us who can't understand japanese.
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
as much as i hated politics (don't ask) and i thought i'm not gonna enjoy this one, even if takuya is in it, i guess i was wrong.
I actually enjoyed it from the first episode as it picked up towards the end. I'm only up to ep7 now and i can't wait to see how he goes against those *bastards*
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I'm slow...I'm only at ep5 coz when I watched ep1 when it started, I was not sold and dropped this till now.. ep 2 to 4 had been entertaining, the exaggerations and oversimplifications of how Asakura impressed and saved the day and was THE chosen one were tolerable and at times moving. Kimura did a great job at his speeches. But now I'm on the fence after ep5.
Ep5 was kitschy. It still has its moments briefly, but the repetitive back and forths at Asakura's house left me rolling my eyes...
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(why was Asakura and Miyama absolutely indispensable in Nirasawa's dealings with his daughter when an US official was there to bargain some biggie foreign policies?!! It's really not cute when it's treating us like some 5 yo who find this nonsense funny...and next moment Miyama can totally just walk out and back to the Senate and have a good talk with Tsukioka and go all fangirl as how godly Asakura is) The laughable inaccuracies with the US trade ambassador 'negotiations'...not to say the stereotypical jock/redneck=US politician and slimy 'translator' AND these 2 travel alonedoing some biggie negotiation that MAY CAUSE conflict across the Pacific ?!?!?!
r very bugging. Was I to clap my hands in bravo as to how 'refreshing'...
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that a trade ambassador would budge in the home of the prime minister and demanded him to recite some figures and got impressed and 'boom' negotiation done miraculously coz he's the Chosen One?!...
we're all fangirsl of Asakura!? The donut tangent was not cute anymore after 4, 5 eps of us knowing how 'commoner' Asakura is and how much he's 'against the flow'. I'm bored and weary.
So please tell me these antics were just an one episode thing. Or else as magnificant as I've heard of Asakura's 20+min speech at the end, I dont want another hour of mild annoyance come ep 6...
Ranting aside, Kimura is still charmingly alluring as repetively as his acting can appear. My compliment to Kimura is his consistency. He always gets the job done. Did he wow me in CHANGE? Not yet and I dont expect him to. But he's sufficient and going into a Kimura drama, we know what we're getting. And even at times he's just being his Kimura self, the drama is not hurt by it coz...it's still interesting to watch KIMURA as Obamawannabe. And part of why Kimura is bulletproof with his not improving acting is that, every role he's in, even if he's just being his Kimura self, it actually added a dimension of interest to see 'HOW Kimura will act/react?!'He just had perfect comical timing even when the scene was not comical...still fun to watch. Again, my bashings pertain to the drama/plot/characters. I am expecting a WHOLE lot fr a Kimura Getsuku that is raved across the board (at least storywise) really hate disappointments in my dramas!
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i was neither impressed or disappointed by his acting because his character didn't make a big impression on me ... and it doesn't help that i don't really like the drama (though i love the piano pieces there) but i have a feeling that with the current script only kimutaku can deliver ... takenouchi might be able to portray asakura better than kimutaku but then it'll be a different asakura ... so we can't really compare the two because it'll be comparing apple and orange ...
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