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Tsunku Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Total posts: 187 Location: Tokyo Japan Age: 45 Gender: Male |
 Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| karatemaster wrote: | I need to side with Norimichi on this one. After finding out that Ritsuko wanted to have an abortion, Norimichi decided to do whatever it takes to save the child. This was the reason he decided to deceive Ritsuko. This deception however was only an attempt, and during the childbirth he changed his mind and forgave her for everything.
Ritsuko on the other hand, is extremely impulsive. She makes crazy and cruel decisions, such as attempting an illegal abortion, and framing him and turning him in to the police...putting their dispute into the court's hands...without thinking anything through. At least what Norimichi did benefited Ritsuko and the baby for the entire year of pregnancy, but what Ritsuko did was nothing but torture to Norimichi. |
framing him? he was stalking her! and then he who never lies, doesn't like ppl who lie, told her a bald faced lie! and he calls that justice? he failed hard....
besides about her not cleaning or cooking, it's his own fault cuz he told her when they got married she didn't have to do it, he would... so she went with what he said and that's her fault? btw i'm a guy and i find him detestable.
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karatemasterJoined: 14 Feb 2008 Total posts: 9 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Tsunku wrote: | | karatemaster wrote: | I need to side with Norimichi on this one. After finding out that Ritsuko wanted to have an abortion, Norimichi decided to do whatever it takes to save the child. This was the reason he decided to deceive Ritsuko. This deception however was only an attempt, and during the childbirth he changed his mind and forgave her for everything.
Ritsuko on the other hand, is extremely impulsive. She makes crazy and cruel decisions, such as attempting an illegal abortion, and framing him and turning him in to the police...putting their dispute into the court's hands...without thinking anything through. At least what Norimichi did benefited Ritsuko and the baby for the entire year of pregnancy, but what Ritsuko did was nothing but torture to Norimichi. |
framing him? he was stalking her! and then he who never lies, doesn't like ppl who lie, told her a bald faced lie! and he calls that justice? he failed hard....
besides about her not cleaning or cooking, it's his own fault cuz he told her when they got married she didn't have to do it, he would... so she went with what he said and that's her fault? btw i'm a guy and i find him detestable. |
Okay, first of all, she got him arrested for 'a purpose'...not because she was HORRIFIED of a stalker...I guess you haven't watched ep9 yet cuz her purpose is to take away the firm while he's in jail. Even she herself admits tat she had to send him to police for THAT purpose.. and on the night of the child birth, she actually waited him in COLD RAIN with the HUGE stomach that was just about to give birth, JUST so that he can be arrested. If you don't call that "frame", then what is?! She obviously cares more about taking revenge (taking over the firm) than the welfare of the baby...otherwise she would not be standing in rain with that condition of hers...If it wasn't for Normichi's help, the baby couldn't even be delivered.
To begin with, she was trying to kill the baby with lying (worse than lying, a CRIME of fabricating documents), and deceive Norimichi so that she can kill the baby without his interference. So which is worse? Lie to kill the baby or Lie to save the baby?
If Norimichi was like Ritsuko, and just prioritize his own feeling for everything, he would have gotten divorced with Ritsuko and the innocent baby would have been dead right away.. would tat be a happy ending? He had to kill his own feeling in order to save the baby, tat's why he had to tolerate her for the time being to make her happy.. with that being said, his feeling and care for her was real, and not an act during her pregnancy, as u can even tell by his conversation with Ogawa..It was like he was trying to assure himself tat wat he's doing is 'act', and not real.. but anybody, like Ogawa, can tell tat wasn't true..and that he was really happy with her and loved her during the whole year.. and that really showed up during the child birth. But Ritsuko was merciless enough to send him to police refusing his offer of starting over again.. (even tho it was her fault to trying to kill the baby)
AND, he did agree to cook and clean, but Ritsuko said she'll do the dishes! (Please watch the 1st ep again.) and she NEVER did the dishes cuz norimichi would always go ahead and do them if she doesn't.. she obviously just takes him for granted.. tat's why she can break any promises she's made with him.
To be honest, how many guys actually want to marry somebody like Ritsuko anyway?
But I bet a lot of girls would want to marry Norimichi. I'm a guy but I won't be able to stand Ritsuko like Norimichi can...
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TsunkuJoined: 07 Aug 2005 Total posts: 187 Location: Tokyo Japan Age: 45 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| karatemaster wrote: |
Okay, first of all, she got him arrested for 'a purpose'...not because she was HORRIFIED of a stalker...I guess you haven't watched ep9 yet cuz her purpose is to take away the firm while he's in jail. Even she herself admits tat she had to send him to police for THAT purpose.. and on the night of the child birth, she actually waited him in COLD RAIN with the HUGE stomach that was just about to give birth, JUST so that he can be arrested. If you don't call that "frame", then what is?! She obviously cares more about taking revenge (taking over the firm) than the welfare of the baby...otherwise she would not be standing in rain with that condition of hers...If it wasn't for Normichi's help, the baby couldn't even be delivered.
To begin with, she was trying to kill the baby with lying (worse than lying, a CRIME of fabricating documents), and deceive Norimichi so that she can kill the baby without his interference. So which is worse? Lie to kill the baby or Lie to save the baby?
If Norimichi was like Ritsuko, and just prioritize his own feeling for everything, he would have gotten divorced with Ritsuko and the innocent baby would have been dead right away.. would tat be a happy ending? He had to kill his own feeling in order to save the baby, tat's why he had to tolerate her for the time being to make her happy.. with that being said, his feeling and care for her was real, and not an act during her pregnancy, as u can even tell by his conversation with Ogawa..It was like he was trying to assure himself tat wat he's doing is 'act', and not real.. but anybody, like Ogawa, can tell tat wasn't true..and that he was really happy with her and loved her during the whole year.. and that really showed up during the child birth. But Ritsuko was merciless enough to send him to police refusing his offer of starting over again.. (even tho it was her fault to trying to kill the baby)
AND, he did agree to cook and clean, but Ritsuko said she'll do the dishes! (Please watch the 1st ep again.) and she NEVER did the dishes cuz norimichi would always go ahead and do them if she doesn't.. she obviously just takes him for granted.. tat's why she can break any promises she's made with him.
To be honest, how many guys actually want to marry somebody like Ritsuko anyway?
But I bet a lot of girls would want to marry Norimichi. I'm a guy but I won't be able to stand Ritsuko like Norimichi can... |
still he's gonna be totally screwed if megumi testifies.
as for ritsuko, many guys in the world marry women who are far worse than she.
as for norimichi, he's too damned anal and paranoid and this is coming from a paranoid!
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karatemasterJoined: 14 Feb 2008 Total posts: 9 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Many women marry guys who are far worse than Norimichi. In fact Norimichi is a really good husband.. if he married any woman other than Ritsuko (like Yoshida), I think they would be a happy couple...But Ritsuko.. I don't think it would work out for her with any other husband..
Norimichi is not anal and paranoid at all.. who can live in such a condition Ritsuko creates? (a garbage dump, with cockroaches running around) I don't think Norimichi is being weird for not accepting that condition. He is the one who's sustaining the married life between him and Ritsuko.. he does all the house work, waits for the drunk, violent wife to come home in the morning everyday....what kind of anal, paranoid husband would do that? He must have a really generous heart...on the other hand, Ritsuko (who's so called 'generous' in personality, gets freaked out over one kiss her husband receives (despite the fact that she treats him so bad) and demands tons of compensation...who's being anal and paranoid here?)
What if the role was reversed, i.e. Ritsuko becomes the husband and Norimichi becomes the wife. I bet 100% of the people would side with the wife...a husband who's violent, would not clean up, and gets drunk everyday with a 'lesbian' woman (and even stays over at lesbian woman's place when he feels like it)...comes home drunk in the mornings, and wakes up the wife by hitting her with his shoes...and treats the wife coldly, breaking promises such as going to concerts with her...yet the wife waits for him everyday with breakfast ready and her only wish is to eat together with him. One day, the wife meets her old crush in college days and her heart gets confused while receiving a sudden kiss by the old crush who turned out to be in love with her. The husband finds out about it and flips out and demands for divorce and tremendous $$$$ from wife for compensation, and eviction from the firm..and as wife begs for discussion before taking the matter to court, the husband uses violence to shut her out (such as kicking her, burning her finger as she tries to enter home and have the truck run her over, pour water onto her face etc etc) and on top of that, in front of the judge, he pretends to be a poor husband receiving verbal abuse from the wife just so that he can have the advantage.....if the story was like this, who would not feel sorry for the wife?
The only difference is that Ritsuko is a woman, but she's a guy inside, yet she seems to takes advantage of her 'womanhood' whenever she can, which is really sneaky...and says cruel things to Inoki who is the opposite of her (a guy outside, but woman inside)..no wonder even her only friend Inoki has to go against her in the end..
Really looking forward to the last episode. I hope she can change....and I do hope those 2 will make up in the end!
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GuoniantJoined: 25 Feb 2007 Total posts: 59 Location: U.S Age: 24 Gender: Female |
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ubeJoined: 07 Mar 2006 Total posts: 112 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Thanx a lot Guoniant & the others who helped out subbing this great drama!! 
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GeezerJoined: 28 Jun 2005 Total posts: 255 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Thank you so much Guoniant
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waniey_vicJoined: 15 Jul 2007 Total posts: 209 Location: TemerLove ~ AkihaBara Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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thank you forr all the episodes....._________________ THX all Fansubbers.. 
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hikaru_11Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Total posts: 63 Location: Somewhere beneath the blue skies~ Age: 20 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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sankyuu!  i really enjoyed this drama! i just LOVE koyuki! she brightens the screen everytime  if it weren't for you, i would have been lost with all the law terms. 
otsukare!
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anamcaraLocation: Europe Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Thank you so much for the excellent subs to this great drama. I enjoyed it alot so far and look forward to watching the rest with the subs. THANK YOU!
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BodhiJoined: 23 Apr 2004 Total posts: 333 Location: New York Age: 51 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Thanks for all your hard work on this show
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jocutusJoined: 09 Jul 2005 Total posts: 304 |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Thank you very much.
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