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abel nightroad Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Total posts: 53 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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i remember in episodes 18 when gil dong is talking to chang hwi... he said to chang hwi that even if he fights the nobles, chang hwi must understand and have faith in him so that they can work together until the end... but i think in the end chang hwi lost faith in gil dong because of the situations concerning the fake sa yin sword... very disappointed with the prince... he saks hehe
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SilentwolfdogJoined: 21 Jul 2007 Total posts: 67 |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Spoiler alert! Skip this if you don't want to know the ending!
^But still don't you think he should have told the prince before he became the king? HGD knew this would happen so he kept it a secret and so prince found out the truth at his most vulnerable moment. Basically both of them didn't trust each other at the end. Not just prince's mistake, but HGD's as well.
Sigh... only if they just trusted each other!
I still like to believe that he became a good king unlike his older brother regardless of what have happened. Maybe that's wishful thought on my part despite that was Yi Nok's last wish for him. What busyizzy said seem pretty logical. I can't hate him though, especially that he shed a tear for them and for himself. And also HGD didn't give up either despite prince's plead. Both of them are a lot similar in some way.
Didn't like the ending, argh! Too sad, because I was rooting for prince in becoming a great king and having HGD by his side. Prince was my favorite character. I wish I stop ending up liking secondary character because most of time they are doomed characters to start with, like prince.
Do anyone know any shows that is like this, but perhaps with happier ending? This was my first time watchng Korea drama that isn't based on modern era. Just happy ones, I truly hated sad ending and I thought this drama wasn't one of those.
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eillaJoined: 18 Dec 2007 Total posts: 87 Location: poland Age: 20 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I think HGD didn't say anything about the sword because Madam Noah asked him and besides, for HGD sword wasn't important, he wasn't fighting for a sword but for a Prince himself. At the beginning I really liked Prince but in the end he freaked out and destroyed everything. I just hope that he would become a good king and that HGD and Yi Nok's ghosts would haunt him forever!!!
Such a nice person at the beginning, what a shame!
Any other simillar dramas?
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didiellzaJoined: 01 Feb 2008 Total posts: 59 Location: vienna Age: 21 Gender: Female |
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eillaJoined: 18 Dec 2007 Total posts: 87 Location: poland Age: 20 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Is there anyone who is satisfied with ending?
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abel nightroadJoined: 20 Sep 2006 Total posts: 53 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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@ eilla
try capital scandal...
i think almost everyone is not satisfied with the ending... since episode 1 was kinda misleading...
the reason why gil dong didn't tell the prince that the sword was fake is because the prince might waver and for gildong, it really didn't matter... the prince's cause for being the king is the people and not the sword...
i don't really get the reason why the king attacked gil dong and hwal bin dang... all the reason i think of are IMHO not valid for him to take his back on gil dong and attack him...
btw... i really like the scene when Yi Nok blocked chisu's path to attack gil dong... She said to him - "The good person in Young Master that i knew is about to die... Go and protect him... Go and tell Madam Noh too, that i have come to protect gil dong"... the way she said it, she was really cool and had such magnificent valor.
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SilentwolfdogJoined: 21 Jul 2007 Total posts: 67 |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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^ Agreed. That was pretty cool of Yi Nok.
Do Gil Dong honestly think the secret could have been kept like this? He got to know that there's always a traitor or people who know among them. I think he should have told him and when the prince waver like this, Yi Nok and Gil Dong could have put him back on the track after giving him time he needs. Just like when Yi Nok waver, both of them helped her.
It's like if prince told Yi Nok who she was, her grandfather might could have avoid his fate. Prince even said this in one of the ep.
I still don't understand what prince meant when he said he won't forget when he talks with Gil Dong for the last time. Does that mean he respected those people or that he know how to stop them? Or what?
Sighs, it truly hurts to watch prince turns out like that. It almost made me wish that he died a noble death instead of turn back against his own friend.
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littledraciJoined: 07 Oct 2006 Total posts: 568 Location: Germany Age: 25 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Well, yeah, I'm satisfied with the ending.. even if I was disleaded with the opening at first, too.
Why? Well, from ever since HGD is a story told over many years and something like a 'legend'. And the legend had to be written.. here it was written by Eun Hye, if you remember.. and as far as we know 'legends' never die... I would have been happy with an ending for this drama like it was shown in the 1st episode,too... but I also like, how it ends now: the last sentences of the monk make it - for me - a good ending 
didiellza, I think that the first few minutes was that, what Eun Hye wrote about HGD: a cool guy and his friends fighting together (perhaps forever ^-^) for the poor and how Eun Hye wanted to show HGD to others._________________ My Wallpapers
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seirinJoined: 28 Feb 2004 Total posts: 1099 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| abel nightroad wrote: |
i don't really get the reason why the king attacked gil dong and hwal bin dang... all the reason i think of are IMHO not valid for him to take his back on gil dong and attack him...
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Well, the prince said earlier, he's at the top and he's at the bottom. If they can't meet in the middle, they would be head to head at each other. I can understand the prince's view. He's a ruler. HGD put him up as King. Then at the end says he doesn't need a King. Why did HGD put him up as King if he says he doesn't want a King? It seems like he was using the prince to get rid of the current King cuz the prince is the lesser of 2 evils.
The prince even ask him to office to help change things. Change doesn't come in a day. HGD created chaos as soon as he got into office. It was his intention to give the prince a hard time. He could have just acted like "Bao Qing" like the judge in court to stand up for justice and protect the people so everyone had equal law. But HGD had to stirr up so many things as soon as he got to office without even letting the heat settle down after a change of ruler.
Also, there can not be 2 powers in a Kingdom. HGD's group was getting too big including all those rumours spreading the people want him to be king. Of course the prince would worry if HGD would one day attack him to get the throne. Or if he didn't with all these idealism spreading, everyone would flock to go to HGD's world. Then what would he be a ruler of? Without people, you can't be a ruler. Either that or people might create a riot to fight against the nobles and the king because of the idealism HGD's story stirs up.
He tried to give HGD a chance by deporting him to China. HGD could have gone to China even to make his own small world, but he refused. What is the prince to do but to kill him. If he says the mountain is his own world, his own world can actually be anywhere he wants. It doesn't have to be at the mountain. The world is large.
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kurodreamsJoined: 07 Jan 2007 Total posts: 87 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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was kinda dissapointed with the ending tho >.> and somewhat confused.
like in the first episode in the beginning where they showed hong gil dong and hwal bin dang attacking one of the gov officials and then they scened to the part a "few years back" how come i didnt seee that in the last ep? did they die or live T.T???
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SilentwolfdogJoined: 21 Jul 2007 Total posts: 67 |
| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Yeah, I was disappointed too. And somewhere confused as well. I guess it's a legend after all, it's up to us to interpret it the way we want.
I read something on wiki (the only source I can find at moment) about Hong Gil Dong and it has a different story. He even worked with the king for a while before going off and become a king in a different city(?). I guess it's like Robin Hood, you will get a different story from each writer.
But I don't like this writer for the drama because of the ending, lol.
Watching SP even without subtitles at the moment does help make me feel a little better. lol
This is why I tend to avoid drama with sad ending, it just leaves me feeling sick to the stomach for a while. I should have waited and ask you guys before starting watch this drama. lol
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abel nightroadJoined: 20 Sep 2006 Total posts: 53 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Quote: | | Well, the prince said earlier, he's at the top and he's at the bottom. If they can't meet in the middle, they would be head to head at each other. I can understand the prince's view. He's a ruler. HGD put him up as King. Then at the end says he doesn't need a King. Why did HGD put him up as King if he says he doesn't want a King? It seems like he was using the prince to get rid of the current King cuz the prince is the lesser of 2 evils. |
i think what gil dong is trying to say to the prince is that he wants to eliminate the discrimination between the nobles and the lower class people... he wants everybody to be equal and have equal rights... he did put him up as king... but the reason behind that was to change the current world into a better world... and in order to achieve that, he intends to continue fighting until that very day...
| Quote: | | The prince even ask him to office to help change things. Change doesn't come in a day. HGD created chaos as soon as he got into office. It was his intention to give the prince a hard time. He could have just acted like "Bao Qing" like the judge in court to stand up for justice and protect the people so everyone had equal law. But HGD had to stirr up so many things as soon as he got to office without even letting the heat settle down after a change of ruler. |
I agree that change doesn't come in a day... but after he was put into the throne, it was clear that there were no changes that took place, only the king was changed... corrupt officials and scholars were still officials and still roam in the palace... it wasn't gil dong's intention to give the prince a hard time... his true intentions was to show them that problems could be solved and things could change if someone will do it... his personality is not the same to "Bao Qing" that they would do the same thing... people do things differently according to their personality...
| Quote: | | Also, there can not be 2 powers in a Kingdom. HGD's group was getting too big including all those rumors spreading the people want him to be king. Of course the prince would worry if HGD would one day attack him to get the throne. Or if he didn't with all these idealism spreading, everyone would flock to go to HGD's world. Then what would he be a ruler of? Without people, you can't be a ruler. Either that or people might create a riot to fight against the nobles and the king because of the idealism HGD's story stirs up. |
true, two powers in one kingdom is just havoc... but the prince should have used gil dong's influence to sway the people into his side "since" the prince and gil dong are on the same side... if he had faith in HGD, then he wouldn't feel threatened... there would be no HGD's world if gil dong sees any amount of changes or results after he took the throne...
| Quote: | | He tried to give HGD a chance by deporting him to China. HGD could have gone to China even to make his own small world, but he refused. What is the prince to do but to kill him. If he says the mountain is his own world, his own world can actually be anywhere he wants. It doesn't have to be at the mountain. The world is large. |
if HGD was to accept his proposal to be deported to china, then "all" of his efforts will be wasted... what did he fight for then?... he fights for the weak and powerless to change the world... if he leaves, then it is like he abandons the people and his dreams...
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didiellzaJoined: 01 Feb 2008 Total posts: 59 Location: vienna Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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@ littledraci Thank you, now I get it.
@ abel nightroad
I really like your comments and I often (more than often) agree with you!
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leenzyJoined: 02 Feb 2008 Total posts: 109 Location: Malaysia Age: 24 Gender: Female |
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SilentwolfdogJoined: 21 Jul 2007 Total posts: 67 |
| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Hmm...people here really bring some good reasons for both sides.
I just wish Gil Dong picked a better way, like doing something to corrupt officals instead of letting them scare the prince to death. Just get rid of Ryu, so that he can not threat the prince anymore.
Anyhow, can anyone tell me what the prince meant at the last meeting between Gil Dong and prince? I still don't understand what prince meant when he said he won't "forget."
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What I don't get it is why did the drama start with that scene in the 1st Episode?? I mean I didn't see that scene in the further episodes!! Did I miss something?? At least they should had ended the drama like it started.
I shouldn't have watched the last 5 minutes!! It ruined me the whole drama! 
