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punjaban85 Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Total posts: 13 Location: canada Age: 24 Gender: Female |
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Néa VanilleJoined: 26 Mar 2005 Total posts: 56 Location: Seoul, South Korea (whooooza!) Gender: Female |
 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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marvelous, you've displayed in plenty of other threads that you're an idiot, so I'm not really taking you too seriously. You're one of the few posters I've just about had it with. However, in order for other people reading this to do the same, I'll just say that out of the numerous places I've visited and the hundreds of people I've talked to, Korean people were by far the most superficial and by far the most concerned about looks. As for my comment regarding conversation just not happening if they find their opposite unattractive, that was obviously about social places, bars, nightclubs etc. I've witnessed guys refusing to talk to a girl introduced by their friends, complaining she was ugly.
It is only in Korea that there is such a density of beauty shops and such an abundance of diet products wherever one goes, outdoing even the US where obesity is a far greater problem. Nowhere else but in Korea have I seen such an army of beauty products in any street corner (I didn't even know there were so many different creams for your skin!). Just walk through the streets with your eyes open. Korean women are by far the ones to wear the most clothes typically described as feminine, such as mini skirts, high heels, hoop earrings, accessories, etc. out of all women in the world and with the exception of perhaps Italy, there is no other country in the world where women dress quite as femininely and take as much care about the way they look. Korean women even wear mini-skirts in winter, a sight that would undoubtedly turn heads just about anywhere in the world, but is just as normal as blind beggars on the subway in Korea (very normal). And why do they care so much about how they look? Why is it that whenever I meet my Korean girlfriends, looks is by far their favourite topic, to a much greater degree than my foreign girlfriends and half of it is about diets despite them being so skinny already? Obviously because being ugly and being overweight is very, very bad in Korea. There were even several indie movies regarding the cruel state of discrimination against unattractive females in the past couple of years, so the issue is slowly starting to dawn on the public. A step into the right direction.
Plus, as I said, statistics and surveys support my view - Korean people are the ones to be most concerned about looks out of all people in the world according to several surveys conducted.
Well all right, you're already shown in other threads that you don't care about statistics and will just believe in what you believe in, so I guess that's pretty pointless. Also, you can't read, as nowhere did I say they were not nationalistic. I said other countries didn't care about Korea and called Korean nationalism "illusions of grandeur", to describe that to most Koreans care so much about their country and are so nationalistic that they simply cannot accept that it's insignificant in the global context. Koreans will say that Korea is the only country to have 4 seasons or that Korea is the country to have invented any number of traditionally Asian dishes and customs that very obviously originated in China or Japan. One day, a Korean woman even said to me, "do you know that the ancient Greek got their culture from Korea?"
It is exactly this screwed view of their own country that makes Koreans such a bad judge of their own country and why foreigners living there usually give a far more accurate portrayal. There are many unpleasant aspects of Korean culture (the very obvious problem of prostitutes being readily available everywhere comes to mind) that Koreans just won't admit to foreigners in order to protect their country's image. All in all, the positive outweighs the negative for me, and I love living here, but it would be ridiculous to say that the few obvious problems Korea has don't exist.
I already advised you to take reading comprehension in another thread and I can do nothing but repeat it. If you can't understand English, just stick to the Korean boards. I'd sure be happy if you were to stop replying to my posts as you've never even once brought anything unbiased and worthwhile to the table.
And I guess I shouldn't have written all that because, as the rule goes, "don't feed the trolls."
Block.
(Disclaimer: I still welcome intelligent contributions and discussions and I will not snap at you like this if you disagree with me. I usually try to be polite and civil to everyone. It's just that this particular person has proven one time too many that his opinions are too biased and too motivated by personal emotions to be taken seriously and quite frankly, not worth my or anyone's time. Now that he's on my ignore list (has had it coming for almost a year), I'm going back to being friendly).
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minuberryJoined: 18 Dec 2006 Total posts: 19 Location: NJ Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I usually don't reply to anything but I just wanted to clear some things out;;
I am a Korean, 21 years old, female, living in America (moved couple years ago)
And Im going to agree to both Nea Vanille and marvelous.
(And all this is in MY view... )
Yes, we Koreans care a lot about our looks and style and such. If you are a bit fat or ugly, you will not be able to fit in. The sizes in Korea only go up so high. Clothes are made to fit people but in Korea it is the other way around... People need to be able to fit the clothes, meaning be skinny or you are not wearing this.
And also I have to say, I know Koreans are nationalistic. (Very patriotic)
We do cover up our bad sides to appeal to others but isn't that same with any other countries??
The reason why we don't look at foreign countries in a good way is because of wars and politics. During the war, Korea, as in nation and its people, were hurt so badly. And instead of it getting better, we are still being used. This just makes it hard for us.
Well... this is just my view.
But I love Korea and I visit every summer. My friends and I love going to the city and eating and shopping^^
We can always have girls night out without any problems. Go see movies in the middle of the night, walk around the Han Gang (Han River) for some fresh air...
Love the life there!!
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Néa VanilleJoined: 26 Mar 2005 Total posts: 56 Location: Seoul, South Korea (whooooza!) Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Oh, I forgot to reply to the person inquiring about the air quality! Well, as for the air quality, it's true that the air is rather bad in Seoul, but personally I don't really notice it anymore and I got used to it very quickly. I don't feel that the air pollution is any worse than in other Asian cities of comparable size. Constructions are going on everywhere, so expect some dust, but overall it's bearable and I don't really consider it a bad point as it's something that just comes naturally with huge cities like Seoul. Outside of Seoul, the air is good. If you can stand Tokyo, you can stand Seoul.
You can't drink the water from the pipe, but the water from the supermarket is of excellent quality and sells at an okay price (the one I usually get, Sam Da Soo water, sells at 1,000 won for 2 litres). One thing you must be aware of is that there is only natural water available from what I've seen and that Koreans don't seem to usually drink carbonated mineral water.
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trancer_84Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Total posts: 7 Location: Baton Rouge Age: 24 Gender: Male |
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marvelousJoined: 20 Jan 2006 Total posts: 144 Location: PLANET K Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Néa Vanille wrote: | marvelous, you've displayed in plenty of other threads that you're an idiot, so I'm not really taking you too seriously. You're one of the few posters I've just about had it with. However, in order for other people reading this to do the same, I'll just say that out of the numerous places I've visited and the hundreds of people I've talked to, Korean people were by far the most superficial and by far the most concerned about looks. As for my comment regarding conversation just not happening if they find their opposite unattractive, that was obviously about social places, bars, nightclubs etc. I've witnessed guys refusing to talk to a girl introduced by their friends, complaining she was ugly.
It is only in Korea that there is such a density of beauty shops and such an abundance of diet products wherever one goes, outdoing even the US where obesity is a far greater problem. Nowhere else but in Korea have I seen such an army of beauty products in any street corner (I didn't even know there were so many different creams for your skin!). Just walk through the streets with your eyes open. Korean women are by far the ones to wear the most clothes typically described as feminine, such as mini skirts, high heels, hoop earrings, accessories, etc. out of all women in the world and with the exception of perhaps Italy, there is no other country in the world where women dress quite as femininely and take as much care about the way they look. Korean women even wear mini-skirts in winter, a sight that would undoubtedly turn heads just about anywhere in the world, but is just as normal as blind beggars on the subway in Korea (very normal). And why do they care so much about how they look? Why is it that whenever I meet my Korean girlfriends, looks is by far their favourite topic, to a much greater degree than my foreign girlfriends and half of it is about diets despite them being so skinny already? Obviously because being ugly and being overweight is very, very bad in Korea. There were even several indie movies regarding the cruel state of discrimination against unattractive females in the past couple of years, so the issue is slowly starting to dawn on the public. A step into the right direction.
Plus, as I said, statistics and surveys support my view - Korean people are the ones to be most concerned about looks out of all people in the world according to several surveys conducted.
Well all right, you're already shown in other threads that you don't care about statistics and will just believe in what you believe in, so I guess that's pretty pointless. Also, you can't read, as nowhere did I say they were not nationalistic. I said other countries didn't care about Korea and called Korean nationalism "illusions of grandeur", to describe that to most Koreans care so much about their country and are so nationalistic that they simply cannot accept that it's insignificant in the global context. Koreans will say that Korea is the only country to have 4 seasons or that Korea is the country to have invented any number of traditionally Asian dishes and customs that very obviously originated in China or Japan. One day, a Korean woman even said to me, "do you know that the ancient Greek got their culture from Korea?"
It is exactly this screwed view of their own country that makes Koreans such a bad judge of their own country and why foreigners living there usually give a far more accurate portrayal. There are many unpleasant aspects of Korean culture (the very obvious problem of prostitutes being readily available everywhere comes to mind) that Koreans just won't admit to foreigners in order to protect their country's image. All in all, the positive outweighs the negative for me, and I love living here, but it would be ridiculous to say that the few obvious problems Korea has don't exist.
I already advised you to take reading comprehension in another thread and I can do nothing but repeat it. If you can't understand English, just stick to the Korean boards. I'd sure be happy if you were to stop replying to my posts as you've never even once brought anything unbiased and worthwhile to the table.
And I guess I shouldn't have written all that because, as the rule goes, "don't feed the trolls."
Block.
(Disclaimer: I still welcome intelligent contributions and discussions and I will not snap at you like this if you disagree with me. I usually try to be polite and civil to everyone. It's just that this particular person has proven one time too many that his opinions are too biased and too motivated by personal emotions to be taken seriously and quite frankly, not worth my or anyone's time. Now that he's on my ignore list (has had it coming for almost a year), I'm going back to being friendly). |
And you? There is some weird people like yourself infatuated everything to do with Korea ever since Korea has been spitting out superficial dramas for you superficial people to watch. Making up crap as you go for my people and myself.
Funny how I think you westerners are the ultimate superficial people on this planet. 20 years ago Korea was nothing like what it is now. Ever since you westerners took half of Korea, South Korea has been emulating America superficialness. You talk of beauty products as if it doesn't exist in every shopping mall in America. So if you have beauty products you are superficial? Korean females are low maintenance than your typical western women. Now I can't help you barbarians look like butch compared to Korean females. Then you try to compare your ape like self to Korean females far as femininity, of course you going to look like an gorilla compared to K-girls.
Korean Nationalism is kicking and alive and you might think we might be weak right now but you have mistaken if you think we would ever give up our freedom. You are just a delusional girl with a K fetish.
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OvertheRainbowJoined: 25 Nov 2005 Total posts: 943 Location: Where in the World is Carmen San Diego? Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Well I am currently staying in Korea right now as an exchange student and it's been great although I'm leaving in like a few days..Just a list of things:
Pros:
- The subway here is awesome!!! Its cheap (Usually about 1,000 won) and efficient. I used to never take the subway back home because it was so confusing and I'd be the number one person to get lost but I've never gotten lost here. There are like signs everywhere (yes in english) to help you in the subway and its a very smooth ride so you'll be okay even if you don't have a seat.
- There's lots of shops and things are affordable
- Generally it's safe. I've been out at 2 or so and I'm okay..lol
- People dress very nicely here..The majority of girls wear high heels.
Cons:
- It occasionally smells...usually of sewage. The Korean people seem to be used to it but that is the one thing I will never get used to cause it just sneaks up on you.
- The streets are kinda dirty in my opinion
- There are a lot of beggars in subway stations...it makes me feel very sad but my host family tells me to ignore them
- Definitely agree with Néa Vanille on the whole "illusions of grandeur" thing and epecially the point she was making about them thinking they invented all the traditional dishes.
Some Generalizations:
Guys like to fix their hair here a lot. I once watched a guy fix his hair in the mirror for like 5 minutes..its crazy...oh and this might not been a con but I find it strangely weird that guys have hand bags..I even saw numerous guys with a LV bag
Lots of matching couples....and I've seen a lot of guys carry the purse for their gf..I still haven't decided if thats sweet or creepy
No offense but I generally try to steer clear of opinions from Korean people because when you're dealing with your own country, of course you're going to be sympathetic and try to rationalize all the bad things.
On another note: What you wrote was very mean marvelous. I don't think you should have attacked Néa Vanille personally (i.e your ape comment) just because she might have offended you or your country..your post seems very defensive
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kobe23Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Total posts: 736 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 29 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Néa Vanille wrote: | | Korean women are by far the ones to wear the most clothes typically described as feminine, such as mini skirts, high heels, hoop earrings, accessories, etc. out of all women in the world and with the exception of perhaps Italy, there is no other country in the world where women dress quite as femininely and take as much care about the way they look. Korean women even wear mini-skirts in winter, a sight that would undoubtedly turn heads just about anywhere in the world |
I stopped reading there. Called my travel agent and booked the next flight to Seoul 
I also think marvelous needs to tone it down a bit. Nea clearly stated all these things are just from HER experiences.
| Quote: | | Keep in mind that these are all my only MY experiences and, in some matters, opinions, and you might have a vastly different impression of this country. |
There's no need to be so defensive about it. Which seems rather strange anyway, since most of the things she said about Korea are very positive.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Néa Vanille wrote: | | Korean women are by far the ones to wear the most clothes typically described as feminine, such as mini skirts, high heels, hoop earrings, accessories, etc. out of all women in the world and with the exception of perhaps Italy, there is no other country in the world where women dress quite as femininely and take as much care about the way they look. Korean women even wear mini-skirts in winter, a sight that would undoubtedly turn heads just about anywhere in the world, but is just as normal as blind beggars on the subway in Korea (very normal). |
I'd like to add that Japanese women dress very femininely and care a lot about their looks as well. A lot of times overdoing it. For example, just going to the grocery store, it looks like they spent about an hour getting ready. They wear mini-skirts in the winter too! I just don't get it. Aren't they freezing? I guess they just wanna look good. Btw, I'm currently living in Japan and have been here for 2 years now.
overtherainbow: Your comment about Korean guys fixing their hair, it's so true! I visited last year and I was on the subway and noticed this one guy constantly messing around with his hair. I don't remember how long, but it was at least several minutes. Actually, Japanese guys like to do that too. I wonder if it's an Asian guy thing...
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Shae0001Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Total posts: 68 Location: USA Age: 17 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| I'm African American and I went to Korea for a week and I had the best time of my life. I had my hair braided and the ahjumma's would alway's come up to me and touch my hair and my skin. It was a real experience. And the funny thing is that you alway's see the women in High-Heels. Rian or Shine. I loved it there, and though it was a family trip. I would love to go back again. Ever since then I started to have a fasinaton with other countries. :]
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marvelousJoined: 20 Jan 2006 Total posts: 144 Location: PLANET K Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| kobe23 wrote: | | Néa Vanille wrote: | | Korean women are by far the ones to wear the most clothes typically described as feminine, such as mini skirts, high heels, hoop earrings, accessories, etc. out of all women in the world and with the exception of perhaps Italy, there is no other country in the world where women dress quite as femininely and take as much care about the way they look. Korean women even wear mini-skirts in winter, a sight that would undoubtedly turn heads just about anywhere in the world |
I stopped reading there. Called my travel agent and booked the next flight to Seoul
I also think marvelous needs to tone it down a bit. Nea clearly stated all these things are just from HER experiences.
| Quote: | | Keep in mind that these are all my only MY experiences and, in some matters, opinions, and you might have a vastly different impression of this country. |
There's no need to be so defensive about it. Which seems rather strange anyway, since most of the things she said about Korea are very positive. |
It's not about positive or negative. It's just wrong period. Didn't I say I agree with somethings but I can't find myself to agree with everything. Then ms. know it all about my people tells me I need reading comprehension and that I don't know myself.  I think people know THEMSELVES lot better than some waygookin pointing fingers.
She can't figure out why so many Koreans look so good in clothes. We don't even have to try we just dress better.
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marvelousJoined: 20 Jan 2006 Total posts: 144 Location: PLANET K Gender: Unknown |
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marvelousJoined: 20 Jan 2006 Total posts: 144 Location: PLANET K Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| lavenderskye wrote: | | Néa Vanille wrote: | | Korean women are by far the ones to wear the most clothes typically described as feminine, such as mini skirts, high heels, hoop earrings, accessories, etc. out of all women in the world and with the exception of perhaps Italy, there is no other country in the world where women dress quite as femininely and take as much care about the way they look. Korean women even wear mini-skirts in winter, a sight that would undoubtedly turn heads just about anywhere in the world, but is just as normal as blind beggars on the subway in Korea (very normal). |
I'd like to add that Japanese women dress very femininely and care a lot about their looks as well. A lot of times overdoing it. For example, just going to the grocery store, it looks like they spent about an hour getting ready. They wear mini-skirts in the winter too! I just don't get it. Aren't they freezing? I guess they just wanna look good. Btw, I'm currently living in Japan and have been here for 2 years now.
overtherainbow: Your comment about Korean guys fixing their hair, it's so true! I visited last year and I was on the subway and noticed this one guy constantly messing around with his hair. I don't remember how long, but it was at least several minutes. Actually, Japanese guys like to do that too. I wonder if it's an Asian guy thing... |
Can you blame K-guys? We have nice hair. 
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first of all thanks a lot for replying to my question. 
. i love there language and i actually started to learn it. i guess its easy to learn something when u want to 
and who knows, maybe its going to become handy when i finally visit the country ...... eh~~
i wanna go to korea too so am lookin at like teach english jobs there..seems to be the best idea..well have to finish skool first..ahaha
