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goygakgoy Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Total posts: 378 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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A lot of Korean music copy so that's gonna be a problem if they try to make it into the US. Gonna be lawsuits everywhere.
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| felicityho wrote: | | As for Ji-Hoon. I actually prefer his real name over Rain. And with his popularity, I'm sure it won't take long before everyone will recognize that name instead of Rain. So keep the faith and let his lawyers take care of the problem. |
Because I'm also into things Asian, I too would prefer Asian artists to use their given names, rather than changing their trademark to fit the market. It is a fact that in the U.S. people have a thing about cultural identification. But when you as an artist are marketing yourself, the people who look up to you are already well aware that you're Asian and you sing Asian songs. You shouldn't be trying to sell yourself to someone who doesn't appreciate things Asian, so why bother with the English name?
IMHO I think Rain is really a lame name to use; reminds me of other names like Queen Latifah, Prince, etc. I think Bi is catchy for an R&B artist. Think about it... When it rains, you have that melancholy like feeling. That's the feeling when I hear the name Rain. If Bi's people did the due diligence and perform a trademark check, they would've discovered the half-dozen Rain names. And at that time they should have marketed him as Bi. And he wouldn't be in this predicament.
--- groink
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DMPAJoined: 18 Nov 2006 Total posts: 286 Location: In a place called Death Age: 17 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| groink wrote: | | felicityho wrote: | | As for Ji-Hoon. I actually prefer his real name over Rain. And with his popularity, I'm sure it won't take long before everyone will recognize that name instead of Rain. So keep the faith and let his lawyers take care of the problem. |
Because I'm also into things Asian, I too would prefer Asian artists to use their given names, rather than changing their trademark to fit the market. It is a fact that in the U.S. people have a thing about cultural identification. But when you as an artist are marketing yourself, the people who look up to you are already well aware that you're Asian and you sing Asian songs. You shouldn't be trying to sell yourself to someone who doesn't appreciate things Asian, so why bother with the English name?
IMHO I think Rain is really a lame name to use; reminds me of other names like Queen Latifah, Prince, etc. I think Bi is catchy for an R&B artist. Think about it... When it rains, you have that melancholy like feeling. That's the feeling when I hear the name Rain. If Bi's people did the due diligence and perform a trademark check, they would've discovered the half-dozen Rain names. And at that time they should have marketed him as Bi. And he wouldn't be in this predicament.
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Well, I agree with you to some extent, but what's done's done, and you can't go back. Either way I just hope Rain will get out of this little mess unharmed, that's all._________________ M A Y A 91 1
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goygakgoyJoined: 05 Jun 2005 Total posts: 378 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I agree with you groink. I think that is why Asians don't get the respect that we deserve because we always try to change ourselves to fit other societies. No wonder the world know little of us. How can they know us if we don't give them a chance to learn about us??
And yes, "Rain" is just stupid. That's just asking to be sued! Bi is not good either cuz that's asking to be made fun of being gay. Korean male stars already got reps for being gay looking and Asian men feminine. This is just helping spread the negative stereotype. Might as welll call himself "gay" or "fag".
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Because I'm also into things Asian, I too would prefer Asian artists to use their given names, rather than changing their trademark to fit the market. It is a fact that in the U.S. people have a thing about cultural identification. But when you as an artist are marketing yourself, the people who look up to you are already well aware that you're Asian and you sing Asian songs. You shouldn't be trying to sell yourself to someone who doesn't appreciate things Asian, so why bother with the English name?
IMHO I think Rain is really a lame name to use; reminds me of other names like Queen Latifah, Prince, etc. I think Bi is catchy for an R&B artist. Think about it... When it rains, you have that melancholy like feeling. That's the feeling when I hear the name Rain. If Bi's people did the due diligence and perform a trademark check, they would've discovered the half-dozen Rain names. And at that time they should have marketed him as Bi. And he wouldn't be in this predicament.
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DMPAJoined: 18 Nov 2006 Total posts: 286 Location: In a place called Death Age: 17 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| goygakgoy wrote: | | And yes, "Rain" is just stupid. That's just asking to be sued! Bi is not good either cuz that's asking to be made fun of being gay. Korean male stars already got reps for being gay looking and Asian men feminine. This is just helping spread the negative stereotype. Might as welll call himself "gay" or "fag". |
Sry, but i'll have to disagree with that one, that's a stereotype that Asian men are viewed as gays, maybe a bit more feminine then the west side of the world, but not sure about gay, but then again, i dunno, maybe i'm just talking for myself. And I really don't see what's wrong with Rain/Bi having a supposedly 'American' name as his stage name. It's his choice. and it's kind of like you having a kid and naming him "Takashi" *let's say you really love that name so you decided instead of changing your own name to Takashi, you'll name your child Takashi* while living in America and being an American sitizen. And just because your kid's name is supposedly Japanese, it doesn't mean that you're misrepresenting your self...I hope you get what i'm saying. In in any case, the name "Rain" for the bands was protected by the "Beatles Rain" in America ONLY. They didn't make it worldwide, so Korea and other Asian countries do not count, and so I think (and that's a personal thought only) that Rain/Bi should have absolutely no problem in having his stage name as Rain, because he is, after all, from Korea, and not America, and American Laws do not apply to Korea.
Ok, i hope i made atleast SOME sense there, if not, sorry, but that's just me._________________ M A Y A 91 1
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AboutDramaJoined: 07 Aug 2005 Total posts: 107 |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Quote: | | And yes, "Rain" is just stupid. That's just asking to be sued! Bi is not good either cuz that's asking to be made fun of being gay. Korean male stars already got reps for being gay looking and Asian men feminine. This is just helping spread the negative stereotype. Might as welll call himself "gay" or "fag". |
Rain is just a stage name. There is no stupid or nice about a stage name. It's just like an identity of a singer.
BTW, as you consider that Korean male stars got reps for being gay looking. But they are NOT gay in real life. It's just their style. The question is what is the meaning of muscular looking men? It's just different ways of looking the term "Muscular" and it's different from different culture. Indeed, there are guys that dressed muscularly and are really gay in real life. Are we stereotyping what a guy should dress or look to be "less" gay?
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anhnieJoined: 08 Jun 2006 Total posts: 106 Location: USA Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| AboutDrama wrote: | | Quote: | | And yes, "Rain" is just stupid. That's just asking to be sued! Bi is not good either cuz that's asking to be made fun of being gay. Korean male stars already got reps for being gay looking and Asian men feminine. This is just helping spread the negative stereotype. Might as welll call himself "gay" or "fag". |
I don't get it. What is the name "Rain" got to do with gay? I understand US is very sensitive with the word "gay or fag." But "Rain" is gay? Not making any sense to me. It's just a stage name.
BTW, as you consider that Korean male starts got reps for being gay looking. But they are NOT gay in real life. It's just their style. The question is what is the meaning of muscular looking men? It's just different ways of looking the term "Muscular" and it's different from different culture. Indeed, there are guys that dressed muscularly and are really gay in real life. Are we stereotyping what a guy should dress or look to be "less" gay? |
I think goygakgoy is not saying that the name "Rain" is gay, but that the name "Bi" will be made fun of since in America, "bi" means bisexual. I actually had a guy friend who's American make that same joke about Bi's name...i posted up on my blog that I love Bi, and he said u love bisexuals? what?! lol..it was pretty funny actually b/c he really didnt know that was a korean name.
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AboutDramaJoined: 07 Aug 2005 Total posts: 107 |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Quote: | | I think goygakgoy is not saying that the name "Rain" is gay, but that the name "Bi" will be made fun of since in America, "bi" means bisexual. I actually had a guy friend who's American make that same joke about Bi's name...i posted up on my blog that I love Bi, and he said u love bisexuals? what?! lol..it was pretty funny actually b/c he really didnt know that was a korean name |
Ok, my bad. Sorry for not reading properly. I have re-edited the previous post. Thanks...
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anhnieJoined: 08 Jun 2006 Total posts: 106 Location: USA Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| oh no prob! anyone can make that mistake ^__^
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nikochanr3Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Total posts: 649 Location: NY Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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How can you trademark rain? its like calling yourself MILK and suing the milk companies. as long as hes not doing beatles tributes i cant see this being an issue.
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HD69Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Total posts: 45 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| mtlandis wrote: | | Word has it that some of the US concerts have been postponed. If you have tickets you should contact Ticketmaster to see the status of the concert you have tickets for. |
The concert has been cancelled at least here in Hawaii. There was a story on local tv station KITV-4. There is more going on here than some stupid lawsuit.
You can read more about it at this local message board and even see the news clip.
http://808dramafans.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=kent&action=display&thread=1174529034&page=6
There will also be a official press conference sometime today.
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AboutDramaJoined: 07 Aug 2005 Total posts: 107 |
| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Just a thought. What is the "a" is flipped horizontally? Like how "Toys R Us," the "R" is flipped.
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mtlandisJoined: 16 Nov 2004 Total posts: 493 Location: Delaware County, PA Age: 44 Gender: Female |
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HD69Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Total posts: 45 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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People here are still talking about the lawsuit. The lawsuit was just a small part as to why the US concerts were cancelled. Personally IMHO it had nothing to do with the cancellations.
As I posted yesterday there was a official press conference in Hon, Hi about the Bi concert being cancelled. Even the Promoter from Toronto was at the press conference and he is still waiting for his $250,000.00. All the local TV stations covered the press conference.
You can read about the press conference over at Koreanwiz site, she went to the press conference.
http://www.koreanwiz.org/news.html
Honolulu Advertiser Story with Video.
Rain's concert canceled as pop star a no-show mystery.
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