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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:32 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
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Sure. If the victim has a presence in the U.S. that is large enough to have an effect on the economic stability of the one doing the suing. But c'mon! The guy's Korean! Fight the good fight if it would actually have an effect. But because the Korean Wave represents a tiny sliver of the U.S. interests, this massive flame is only damaging:

- Bi himself
- His fanbase
- Probably D-Addicts (reading Wichita Rain's logs, they KNOW you all came from D-Addicts and other sites hosting that link.)

Let Bi's people handle it. If Korean fans continue to play the victim card in every incident they stumble across, it just makes them look even worse.

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It is not damaging Rain nor his fan base as long as people keep it from getting ugly. (So far it hasn't gotten too ugly). It only goes to prove that he does have a large fan base here in the US. Most of the Korean Broadcasters think that the KDrama fan base here in the US is tiny and insignificant. I know that it is large and growing every day. Something like this - if done "right" could only prove that fact. (Thus the reason for the Blog - try to get everyone in one place instead of scattered over a jillion forums).

For the same reasons d-addicts (and the other forums) should not be injured either.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
*sigh* for some reason it seems that we're starting our own fight here, ne?!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
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It is not damaging Rain nor his fan base as long as people keep it from getting ugly. (So far it hasn't gotten too ugly). It only goes to prove that he does have a large fan base here in the US. Most of the Korean Broadcasters think that the KDrama fan base here in the US is tiny and insignificant. I know that it is large and growing every day. Something like this - if done "right" could only prove that fact. (Thus the reason for the Blog - try to get everyone in one place instead of scattered over a jillion forums).

For the same reasons d-addicts (and the other forums) should not be injured either.

Your blog is an afterthought LONG after you guys did the damage. For the record, here's what you guys left behind:

http://www.rain-band.com/guestbook.asp

Until those Wichita boys clean the guestbook (which I doubt, otherwise they'd get criticized for censorship), it will forever live in Yahoo, Google, The Wayback Machine, and everywhere else that caches web pages. "Sorry for all the inconvienence." Gotta love that last comment in the guestbook. Bi's fans are nothing but raging wackos. I'm not just saying that because I believe so. All those comments on that guestbook speak for themselves.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
1. Public relationship is important to entertaining. A bad and VOCAL response from a mass of people is capable of doing damage irrespective of anything else...

2. The responses does seem to be from the "young and furious" I read some of the replies on the blog and it seems like people are already passing judgments and some of them pretty harsh too. Try to be more diplomatic people. If they begin to feel unfairly condemned by so many people, chances are they are more inclined to want to prove if they're in the right legally.

3. The presence of the "victim" in US economic can be a factor only given certain conditions. I think that in this case, the point is that this band seems to be relatively unknown to most people. Meaning, overall, the fanbase for Bi is larger (mainly because he got fans worldwide). This can be a pretty daunting thing against them as a group if the fans united in their opposition against them but I'll agree that it probably won't have an effect on the matter legally if they take it to court.

But anyways, I'm not planning on writing a scathing post to the Rain Corporation of anything (though I would find much amusement in the act of writing it). To be honest, I would even like to see how this would resolved in court cause it seems like it could be quite an interesting case. Love to see how the Rain Corporation would argue that copyright law cross countries and are applicable even on translations. Or would try say they claim copyright law on that name and all it's translations? ^^

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
mmmm....maybe the best solution instead of scolding the other band ('cause it might end happening what happened now...ppl scolding the wrong old men) someone create one of those online petition! ;)

I think it'll have more impact neh? Plus , Rain's lawyer can use the petition for Rain's defence.

It's not that it's going to resolve but it'll help neh?

Here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/
Anyone willing to create one?

the idea is:
-create the petition
-send the link to this Rain band (please send it in a serious way and not scolding)
-send to Bi's responsibles

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
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mtlandis wrote:
It is not damaging Rain nor his fan base as long as people keep it from getting ugly. (So far it hasn't gotten too ugly). It only goes to prove that he does have a large fan base here in the US. Most of the Korean Broadcasters think that the KDrama fan base here in the US is tiny and insignificant. I know that it is large and growing every day. Something like this - if done "right" could only prove that fact. (Thus the reason for the Blog - try to get everyone in one place instead of scattered over a jillion forums).

For the same reasons d-addicts (and the other forums) should not be injured either.

Your blog is an afterthought LONG after you guys did the damage. For the record, here's what you guys left behind:

http://www.rain-band.com/guestbook.asp

Until those Wichita boys clean the guestbook (which I doubt, otherwise they'd get criticized for censorship), it will forever live in Yahoo, Google, The Wayback Machine, and everywhere else that caches web pages. "Sorry for all the inconvienence." Gotta love that last comment in the guestbook. Bi's fans are nothing but raging wackos. I'm not just saying that because I believe so. All those comments on that guestbook speak for themselves.

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I still want to know... why not last year? Whistling

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
Even though I didn't post a nasty message on the wrong guestbook, I was guilty of posting the link in a few places. I went back and corrected the links AND I e-mailed an apology to those guys for my part in all this.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: Rain's Intro to the US   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
mtlandis wrote:
As some of you know, Rain is being sued by some rinky dink Beatlescover band. The band is suing him for trademark infringement. Because of this lawsuit, word has it that Rain's American concerts have been postponed. Those of you with tickets - don't worry yet. A judge in Nevada issued a temporary ban on using the name Rain. There is expected to be a decision on Jun 14 - 1 day before Rain's Hawaii concert. According to official sources, Rain's upcoming American Tour schedule will be announced then. There is a rumor that all concerts will be delayed until August. This is just a rumor though.

This band has a Forum that you must register to use.

http://www.rainthebeatlesexperience.com/

The band originally called Reign.

Poor Rain. This is hardly the introduction to the US we had all hoped for.


In a related note - it was mentioned by Rain's people that there are actually 6 Rains out there. Only one chose to sue.


I think it's not fair. People would not confuse Korean artist Rain from the other one...

Btw, I've posted clips of Rain rehearsing during his concert last year in NY. Hope you'll like enjoy. Feel free to post comments too on how you feel about this mess. asian-buzz.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
heres a little something off soompi:
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World Star Rain expresses his thoughts about his name for his world tour in the US.
source: http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?...21&menu_id=106
credit: baidu/soompi
cn to eng: nglkt@soompi

Rain explains that the case is being carefully handled. Although it will not affect his world tour in the US, he cannot carry on with his concert because it might be a problem in the future. He plans to solve it completely before having a concert in the US. Thus, he had to postpone it.

A company in California called “Rain Corporation” is going to use the word “Rain” to hold concerts in the US. On 20th February, they requested for a prohibition for others to use the word “Rain”

Rain said with much regrets that based on the information they got from a lawyer in the US, the name “Rain” has been used six times but they only filed a lawsuit again Rain. They suspect that they might have other motives.

They believe that Rain Corporation’s litigation would be dismissed but in case of any unexpected results, they decided to postpone it.

They said that the court would announce the verdict on the 14th, a day before the concert in Hawaii. So if the concerts still carries on, they are afraid that the negative consequences will affect the fan. Thus, they made a difficult decision.

They said that after the verdict is announced, they will reschedule the dates for the concerts in Hawaii, Atlanta, New York, San Francisco, LA etc…

it SUCKS that this has to affect him so much, some band of old men trying to reap money off a superstar who they know is more famous than them Cussing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
Kamui6 wrote:
I still want to know... why not last year? Whistling


soompi wrote:
A company in California called “Rain Corporation” is going to use the word “Rain” to hold concerts in the US. On 20th February, they requested for a prohibition for others to use the word “Rain”


That should answer your question. February 20, 2007 is after the New York concert in 2006, which is why no one said anything back then. Before Rain announced his U.S. tour dates back in April 2007 (at least that's when he announced his Hawaii date), his legal eagles should have performed a trademark search beforehand. Performing research on trademarks is done by everyone who plan on marketing products in the U.S. - everything from cell phones to TV show names. So when Rain made his announcement, that's probably when that Feb 20 lockdown on the "Rain" trademark set off a red flag.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
groink wrote:
Kamui6 wrote:
I still want to know... why not last year? Whistling


soompi wrote:
A company in California called “Rain Corporation” is going to use the word “Rain” to hold concerts in the US. On 20th February, they requested for a prohibition for others to use the word “Rain”


That should answer your question. February 20, 2007 is after the New York concert in 2006, which is why no one said anything back then. Before Rain announced his U.S. tour dates back in April 2007 (at least that's when he announced his Hawaii date), his legal eagles should have performed a trademark search beforehand. Performing research on trademarks is done by everyone who plan on marketing products in the U.S. - everything from cell phones to TV show names. So when Rain made his announcement, that's probably when that Feb 20 lockdown on the "Rain" trademark set off a red flag.

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Also, since he has more exposure now in the mainstream, there's more people paying attention now~
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
groink: Totally agree.

Please stop posting as there is nothing we can do now. Please let the lawyers take care of the problem. Even if the post is not negative, it's still damaging to Bi's image. Especially, when
Rain: The Beatles fans think Ji-Hoon fans are crazy people. It will truly only reflect badly on Ji-Hoon.

Just take a back seat and pray that he won't have to fork out too much money.

As for it not getting ugly.... I'm sorry.. but it has already gotten ugly...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
I agree...we as Rain fans, cant really do much else but sit back and hope this matter will soon be resolved without it having too much damaging effects to Bi's plans and image. But we really shouldnt add anymore flames to this already heated up mess and just hope that Bi's lawyers will win this battle.

That really sucks to hear that his US debut came to such an unfortunate delay. But i guess it comes to show that some unknown bands would rather have negative attention than no attention at all. As a pre-law student in the US, this kind of utterly ridiculous lawsuit as far as American culture goes really doesnt surprise me anymore..Americans would sue over anything and everything just because they can. It's just absurd but what can ya do, it's the culture.

Best wishes to Bi!..and i'm sure with his popularity and talent, they cant hold him down for long!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
^ Yes, it's sad..I'm also from the US and suing to make money is very common over here. I still remember we used to have an ex-coworker in the accounting dept who always brag about how much money she make because she keep suing people. And when she was let go from the company because she wasn't doing her job (she throw way stuff that she should be doing) she sued our company and her boss because she said her boss was mistreating her and that our company fired her for no reason. Let just said she lost the case and thank god we never heard from her again.

As for Ji-Hoon. I actually prefer his real name over Rain. And with his popularity, I'm sure it won't take long before everyone will recognize that name instead of Rain. So keep the faith and let his lawyers take care of the problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote
Word has it that some of the US concerts have been postponed. If you have tickets you should contact Ticketmaster to see the status of the concert you have tickets for.

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