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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I could be an ass now and say "Thailand, the land of sex-tourism, where fat, old European men go on 'vacation' to rape 10 year old girls". I know they're trying to crack down on that in Thailand, but it doesn't seem to work that well (yes, they have harsh penalties by now, but in order to punish someone, you have to catch him doing something first). And as a result of that I could say that I'm not really surprised about rape in their tv shows.

Women may have more rights in America or Europe, but listen to a certain part of the male specimen. Listen to the comments they make about women. Nothing has really changed there. The statement "if she's dressing up like that, she's asking to get raped" is still around pretty much everywhere. The Japanese health minister called women "birth giving machines" and got a lot of flak for it. Surely, in Europe or America no politician would dare to say that, but not because they think it's wrong. Sorry, but politicians are notorious liars, don't tell me they really care whether this is statement is right or wrong. The politician in America or Europe doesn't say it, for the simple reason that he's concerned about his public image, because of the next election, because he wants to stay in power (or get more of that). He may think it (especially conservatives), but he won't say it out loud, or outside of a small trusted circle.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Ok I found another scene. This could have been one of my favorite thai drama, but they had to add this near the end.

Pee Nong 2 Leuard.

ep. 19 (3/5)
He's telling her that he can't stop thinking about her though she is his brother's gf. Then he assaults her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yge-_SLTr9I&feature=PlayList&p=147CAD7C9DE51D79&index=88
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

now i can say this: true indeed...and it happens between the leading roles...usually only thugs are supposed to do rapes, arent they...lol...now it got me thinking maybe that's the way to get a thai woman...just kidding...i dont believe that rapes would lead out to a healthy relationships, i mean something's just not right if they do work out...to summarize: thai dramas are the most unreal ones lol...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

i have to do with the stupid double moral in thailand, we all have been taught that a man and a women is different!!

and somehow man have so much freedom in live and seem like they never blame a man for anything!!! As if all the fault fall to women. just give out some saying......


if he is cheatin on his wife, well it's her fault to seduce him, and it's his wife's fault for not make he happy enought!

If a man talk to many girl, well he have it goin!!! if a girl do the same, no one will want her to be a mother of their child!





You know that in our parent time the most popular way to get a bride is to sood(kidnap) her right(well, that happen to my mom and her 1st husband, but later she left him)? That just another proof how little a women's feeling is not count in the Thailand. And another thing the rap scene mean that she belong to him!!!!



I dont rilly think the rapscene will ever be gone, when the lead actress is ok doing it, when all the women watchin it are ok with it! what needed is someone to stand and say a rap is a rap, it doesnt matter if he love her or not!. If he force her even befor their marry, wat does it say about his charactor.




oh, man this rap-scene rilly get me boiling mad sometime! and the point that no one have try to poit out that is wrong in thai-ent. make me sick!!

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What?? In Thailand the most popular way to get a bride is to kidnap her? I've never heard of that before. Thats very scary, I'm repulsed right now. Of what I know of Thailand is about the forced child prostitution and mail order bride and the high rape numbers. Stuff like this really pisses me off. Its like whats got to happen for stuff like this to stop? When will it stop?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

christaluvsdrama wrote:
What?? In Thailand the most popular way to get a bride is to kidnap her? I've never heard of that before. Thats very scary, I'm repulsed right now. Of what I know of Thailand is about the forced child prostitution and mail order bride and the high rape numbers. Stuff like this really pisses me off. Its like whats got to happen for stuff like this to stop? When will it stop?



yeah, for around 30 years or so ago, maybe not as much popular in the city as in the coutry side.....


i dont think it will stop anytime soon, since no one have make a big deal of it!

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Wow, I never thought of it that way. It's a concealer. My gawd, why didn't I think about that. It all makes sense now! Thanks martina.

Yeah a couple of years ago, I used to read those little girly Japanese mangas where the girl, is forced by some older dude, who's usually in his mid-to-late-20s, into some kind of sexual act, and then later fall in love w/that same guy. Thing is the girl is always saying "no" but her thoughts in the bubble are always "i know it's painful, but um, it feels pleasurable and stuff [sic]" and i was always going huh? But reading that post cleared that up. She wanted it, I mean, why else would she be thinking that, but it's because she's not an active participant, that it became "ok" for girls reading this, with thoughts like these to indulge in this. I finally stopped reading those when I read one about a girl who was 10 years old and a guy who's like 26, and he forced himself on her. Firstly, I was appalled that they'd allow a girl that young to be the heroine, and then when I read on, he kind of dumped her temporarily cuz she got her period Glare It was just all too much, I mean, she was 10 for crying out loud.

As for the rape scenes in dramas, I've seen one in a Japanese drama called Ooku - Hana no Ran, but the aftermath of that was done right. The shogun or whoeever, raped a couple of women there and none of them were too happy, not even later, and they never fell in love with him--not even close, ha! And when I lived in the Philippines over a decade ago, I remember watching dramas and there was always a rape scene somewhere, but usually done by the bad guys. Yeah, I think I was about 8 or 9 and me and my little cousins would re-enact those scenes, not knowing how truly bad they were. When I was at that age, I thought raping was kissing, since that's all I saw in those shows. Only when I came to the U.S. and perhaps cuz I was older, did I realize the monstrosity of the act.

I hate that these scenes have to be included at all, but I think there's a stupid idea that people won't watch it, unless they see something erotic or something like that in these shows.
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That kind of shoujo manga sounds like the type found in magazines like Sho-Comi. Beginning in the late 90s or so, Sho-Comi began running a lot of manga with sex in them, and those types of rape scenes showed up often. Sho-Comi has become controversial in recent years with angry parents writing to newspapers about it, the PTA naming it the worst magazine for children, etc. In fact, a common nickname of Sho-Comi on 2ch is 性コミ, which pretty much means "SexComi". Tongue

Those series are pretty much the equivalent of the trashy romance novels that were mentioned in an earlier post. However, not all shoujo manga are like that.

There was a J-drama in the mid-90s called Mahiru no Tsuki that starred Tokiwa Takako. It was about a woman who is brutally raped, and the trauma she experiences. I haven't seen it, but it has pretty good reviews.

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doink-chan wrote:

There was a J-drama in the mid-90s called Mahiru no Tsuki that starred Tokiwa Takako. It was about a woman who is brutally raped, and the trauma she experiences. I haven't seen it, but it has pretty good reviews.


I saw Mahiru No Tsuki and I love it. It is an honest potrayal of rape (the rape is between the lead female and some gangsters not the male lead). I especially love how they don't act like love conquers all. She needed real psychiatric help and eventually that's what she gets. It's available with English subs and I highly rcommend it.

As for the Thai shows, It looks like I will never watch one. From what I saw on those You tube clips they are extremely disturbing and I would never be able to sit through the show after seeing something like that.

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i only saw kaew ta pee, and there were at least three rape scenes in there. i thought it was just for this series only, but now you mention it, i do think it's quite scary. i hope it's not true that raping is normal and ok for thai audiences. it's not ok at all.

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meviet wrote:
i only saw kaew ta pee, and there were at least three rape scenes in there. i thought it was just for this series only, but now you mention it, i do think it's quite scary. i hope it's not true that raping is normal and ok for thai audiences. it's not ok at all.


I just finished watching Kaew Tah Pee, and I only saw cases of attempted rape. That is, a guy forces a girl on a bed, but the whole thing stops pretty soon, and there is no actual intercourse. Even clothes are kept on. Also, the guy is the baddie. It should be quite clear to any audience that what he is doing is bad.
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Takekaze wrote:
Women may have more rights in America or Europe, but listen to a certain part of the male specimen. Listen to the comments they make about women. Nothing has really changed there. The statement "if she's dressing up like that, she's asking to get raped" is still around pretty much everywhere. The Japanese health minister called women "birth giving machines" and got a lot of flak for it. Surely, in Europe or America no politician would dare to say that, but not because they think it's wrong. Sorry, but politicians are notorious liars, don't tell me they really care whether this is statement is right or wrong. The politician in America or Europe doesn't say it, for the simple reason that he's concerned about his public image, because of the next election, because he wants to stay in power (or get more of that). He may think it (especially conservatives), but he won't say it out loud, or outside of a small trusted circle.


I don't think that politicians in America or Europe would ever think that way,and I think you are vey ignorant of this situation and talk completly out of context...take for example Cherie Blair,the former UK prime minister's wife, she is a barrister now and makes more money that her husband...as for the conservatives who will hopefully never come to power in the UK again, they have actually started a petition just last month on tougher sentences for rapests and more aid for vicitims.
As for America did you completely forget Condoleezza Rice, the brains behind the Bush administration,I'm sure they dont think her a 'baby making machine'!
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Sakari wrote:
I just finished watching Kaew Tah Pee, and I only saw cases of attempted rape. That is, a guy forces a girl on a bed, but the whole thing stops pretty soon, and there is no actual intercourse. Even clothes are kept on. Also, the guy is the baddie. It should be quite clear to any audience that what he is doing is bad.


I haven't seen that show at all but what you're describing sounds like the particular rape scenes cited earlier that I saw on YouTube. The problem isn't showing the actual rape, cuz obviously doing that would cross it over to pornography. The problem is that the idea of rape is portrayed um, too casually. And the girl falling in love with the very same guy that raped her doesn't help.
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ackirom wrote:

I haven't seen that show at all but what you're describing sounds like the particular rape scenes cited earlier that I saw on YouTube. The problem isn't showing the actual rape, cuz obviously doing that would cross it over to pornography. The problem is that the idea of rape is portrayed um, too casually. And the girl falling in love with the very same guy that raped her doesn't help.


I don't know what you have seen. At least in Kaew Tah Pee, the girls that the bad guy tries to rape do not fall in love with him. Quite the opposite.
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Omg i feel bad for Thai women. I really think Thai culture is very interesting but the fact that women are degraded is really sad.

abstractcandy wrote:
Martina is right on the money- viewers want to see something they feel is "erotic", but they don't want female leads in dramas to be "loose". Ridiculous, but unfortunately, that's the way it is at the moment.

I also kinda think this is true.
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