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torerling Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 32 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Riee109 wrote: |
And I just said that I've heard that finnish sounds really hard.
That wasn't an accusation at all!
Furthermore I know that you only said that you don't know any language " that's as extreme as japanese.. " |
You took that quote out of context, with regards to cutting out a lot of words japanese is the one I find most extreme, you can't have read my posts very well if you didn't get that..
| Riee109 wrote: |
I've actually read all your replies really closely and you said "[...]And I am learning Japanese, that's the main ones, and that's the ones I use, and the ones I one day hope to make my bread and butter of. "
If you really want to do a job, where high language skills in japanese are necessary, then I think you should rather focus on studying japanese instead of the basics of serveral other languages. I really have no doubt that you already might have excellent skills in this language but you can always improve. Especially because the japanese language has so many difficult and specific words...
Well, if you are already able to read the keizai part of a japanese newspaper without looking up a single word, than this of course doesn't count for you.
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How the ... can you say anything about what languages I do learn now from my posts here? I work about 6-7 hours with japanese each day, and I do not learn any other ones now, if you are psycic you are a really bad one.
Japanese is no diffrent from any other language in having specific words though.
well it seems like you aren't able to do other things than skim english before accusing people for doing wrong thing anyway so I don't see why I really do care about your post, but I hate it when people come with ad homonym and non seqitour attacks out of the blue..
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XiaoPauliJoined: 27 May 2007 Total posts: 134 Location: Texas Age: 26 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| You seem angry, torerling.
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torerlingJoined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 32 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| XiaoPauli wrote: | | You seem angry, torerling. |
Sorry Pauli, *sigh* I'm just tired of people misqouting me and making strawmen, Especially when we all should talk about something I/we really like.. *hug*
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XiaoPauliJoined: 27 May 2007 Total posts: 134 Location: Texas Age: 26 Gender: Male |
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torerlingJoined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 32 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| XiaoPauli wrote: | | torerling wrote: | | XiaoPauli wrote: | | You seem angry, torerling. |
Sorry Pauli, *sigh* I'm just tired of people misqouting me and making strawmen, Especially when we all should talk about something I/we really like.. *hug* |
Yeah, I can understand. I shoulder most of the blame because I started some of it with my misunderstanding, and definitely owe you an apology for taking your post out of context earlier.
Despite how difficult Japanese can be, I've always had a great sense of joy when I look back at the progress I make every month. I can't wait to hear more stories of how people studied for their JLPTs. This is a great thread to share our experiences too.  |
It's OK, I do it myself far too often, I know most of guys/gals here, and most that really are japanese has to be nice guys, it takes some guts taking up as big a task as learning a new language.
yeah, I too look back each week one new chapter in genki, each week a lot of new words, and things seem a bit clearer, coming to japan this fal will probably speed things up a bit more, whoa, If my head doesn't explode before 3-4 more years of this I'm going to be better at japanese than english ;)
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paramayaJoined: 11 Mar 2008 Total posts: 20 Location: Indonesia Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| lincorp.com wrote: | Here is a link to some practice tests from previous years. You can use this as a tool to judge which level you should take. Also there is a big jump from level 3 and level 2 so make sure youre ready. Based on the feedback we receive after administering the test every year, most test takers (in the US) complain about the big jump in difficulty. Just an FYI.
http://www.jflalc.org/index.php?act=tpt&id=21 |
thanks for the link i'm about to check it out..
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Ayumi_PiJoined: 06 Mar 2008 Total posts: 4 Location: Sweden Gender: Female |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Hi everyone!
I decided just a few month ago that I'm going to learn japanese so I'm really glad I found this thread. I have learned a lot from your posts.
Thanx
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~kani~Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Total posts: 24 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I envy you people, you have time to study only japanese...
I'd like to spent more time with it, but I have to study english, swedish and german at school =/ well, actually I am not so sad since it's cool to know how to speak those languages...
has anyone notice the same thing as me? last year I wasn't very good at listening tests in those languages I study. (especially english was difficult). but after studying japanese and watching a lot of subtitiled dramas and starting fan subbing, I am suddenly quite good at listening tests. o.O And japanese even isn't so hard for me to listen because it's mostly pronounced in the same way than my native, Finnish.
I wonder why so many people say that japanese is difficult... (humm maybe not here but I often read that kind of opinions) For example german is more difficult with all those genders and conjucations. there even aren't any articles in japanese! (just did a pile of english article exercises). and it's written and pronounced in the same way - what can be easier? ^^ the hardest thing is to learn how to write ;P Maybe I think this way now, when I haven't studied japanese long enough to understand how many difficult grammatical points there are.... because with english I everyday notice something new~
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thbirdmanJoined: 28 Feb 2008 Total posts: 4 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| ~kani~ wrote: | I envy you people, you have time to study only japanese...
I'd like to spent more time with it, but I have to study english, swedish and german at school =/ well, actually I am not so sad since it's cool to know how to speak those languages...
has anyone notice the same thing as me? last year I wasn't very good at listening tests in those languages I study. (especially english was difficult). but after studying japanese and watching a lot of subtitiled dramas and starting fan subbing, I am suddenly quite good at listening tests. o.O And japanese even isn't so hard for me to listen because it's mostly pronounced in the same way than my native, Finnish.
I wonder why so many people say that japanese is difficult... (humm maybe not here but I often read that kind of opinions) For example german is more difficult with all those genders and conjucations. there even aren't any articles in japanese! (just did a pile of english article exercises). and it's written and pronounced in the same way - what can be easier? ^^ the hardest thing is to learn how to write ;P Maybe I think this way now, when I haven't studied japanese long enough to understand how many difficult grammatical points there are.... because with english I everyday notice something new~ |
I beleive what makes Japanese hard to learn, at least for english speakers, is the fact that the sentence structure is pretty different. You almost have to change the way you think about the sentence to understand the Japanese. Also there is the difference of changing the form of a word in Japanese vs adding a new word in English. For example: He runs. vs He can run. 彼は走る。彼は走れる。Its different to think about making a verb potential instead of adding in a different word to make the sentence potential. Though I believe the biggest hurdle in learning Japanese is kanji.
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torerlingJoined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 32 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| ~kani~ wrote: | I envy you people, you have time to study only japanese...
I'd like to spent more time with it, but I have to study english, swedish and german at school =/ well, actually I am not so sad since it's cool to know how to speak those languages... |
That's kind of what I did too, the time comes when you get to go the university and then you get better time to concentrate in one language.
| ~kani~ wrote: |
has anyone notice the same thing as me? last year I wasn't very good at listening tests in those languages I study. (especially english was difficult). but after studying japanese and watching a lot of subtitiled dramas and starting fan subbing, I am suddenly quite good at listening tests. o.O And japanese even isn't so hard for me to listen because it's mostly pronounced in the same way than my native, Finnish. |
The thing is that you get better at recognizing words and parts, it usually gets better the more words you know, and more languages = more words ;) That's my theory at least. The thing that usually is hard when listening to japanese is that it some times is hard to find where the words separate, but that has more to do with me having a quite small vocabulary ;)
| ~kani~ wrote: |
I wonder why so many people say that japanese is difficult... (humm maybe not here but I often read that kind of opinions) For example german is more difficult with all those genders and conjucations. there even aren't any articles in japanese! (just did a pile of english article exercises). and it's written and pronounced in the same way - what can be easier? ^^ the hardest thing is to learn how to write ;P Maybe I think this way now, when I haven't studied japanese long enough to understand how many difficult grammatical points there are.... because with english I everyday notice something new~ |
The thing about japanese being hard is that it is so different, you don't have any places to hang words at first, the structure is different, the way you say things are pretty different, but more or less like a normal language after what I think, to learn to write isn't so difficult, it only takes a big amount of time and patience.
And japanese don't have articles, but you have particles, and it's more or less the same, some words take some particles and others other, so It's not that easy that way. And you shouldn't underestimate the politeness things either, at least I tend to mix them up when getting stressed.. But all in all, more or less like learning another language, but if you think japanese is easy you should try mandarin or spanish, and you'll see how much easier they are..
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~kani~Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Total posts: 24 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| torerling wrote: |
The thing about japanese being hard is that it is so different, you don't have any places to hang words at first, the structure is different, the way you say things are pretty different, but more or less like a normal language after what I think, to learn to write isn't so difficult, it only takes a big amount of time and patience.
And japanese don't have articles, but you have particles, and it's more or less the same, some words take some particles and others other, so It's not that easy that way. And you shouldn't underestimate the politeness things either, at least I tend to mix them up when getting stressed.. But all in all, more or less like learning another language, but if you think japanese is easy you should try mandarin or spanish, and you'll see how much easier they are.. |
oh, yeah, particles~ =.='' x)
and politeness, yes ^^ though in normal life you need just -masu level with foreigners and dictionary form-level with friends. (this is my opinion, maybe I am wrong... huh I am somehow scared to post here because here are so many people who know so much about japanese o.o)
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torerlingJoined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 32 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| ~kani~ wrote: | oh, yeah, particles~ =.='' x)
and politeness, yes ^^ though in normal life you need just -masu level with foreigners and dictionary form-level with friends. (this is my opinion, maybe I am wrong... huh I am somehow scared to post here because here are so many people who know so much about japanese o.o) |
That really depends on what you're going to do with the language, and if you're ever going to a resturant or to a store to buy something, they will probably talk to you in keigo, so it's a good practice to know at least a bit of it.
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~kani~Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Total posts: 24 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| torerling wrote: | | ~kani~ wrote: | oh, yeah, particles~ =.='' x)
and politeness, yes ^^ though in normal life you need just -masu level with foreigners and dictionary form-level with friends. (this is my opinion, maybe I am wrong... huh I am somehow scared to post here because here are so many people who know so much about japanese o.o) |
That really depends on what you're going to do with the language, and if you're ever going to a resturant or to a store to buy something, they will probably talk to you in keigo, so it's a good practice to know at least a bit of it. |
you are right as always =)
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AngelicLayerJoined: 28 Jun 2006 Total posts: 154 Location: dark room Age: 19 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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is anyone so nice please to translate this for me :
さっきまで新曲のプリプロをやってました！
んでいまから朝までリハです。
ん～熱下がんないから薬飲みまくってたら胃が痛くて気持ち悪くなってきた(ノ_・。)
そんな事より新曲がいい感じに仕上がってきたから完成が楽しみで仕方ないヾ( ´ー｀)
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風邪っぽい！
まぢ体中痛くて死にそうや
熱が39.1℃もある…
明日プリプロなのに今の状態だと動けないし
今日中に治って
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新しいピックがやっと届いた～(=^▽^=)
まっ、ただ前回のピックの黒バージョンなだけなんだが(*゜▽゜ノノ゛☆
今日もリハだ～♪
曲作り急ピッチで仕上げないとね!!
朝まで頑張ってこ
thanks a lot in advance :3 i ll appreciate a lot !^^ < 3
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rnnekoJoined: 07 May 2008 Total posts: 1 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| What Japanese-English, English-Japanese dictionary should I get?
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