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torerlingJoined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 35 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Prab wrote: | http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/ ?
What do you recommend I get first? Just text book 1 for now? |
Mm, that's the one, the most important things are, genki 1, and the workbook, get yourself a good dictionary and take your time with the things, so that you understand everything and have done the excercises and not just do it fast, believe me, you'll get it back if you don't do it properly ;)
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PrabJoined: 12 Apr 2008 Total posts: 6 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Thanks torerling!!
After I finish doing the first textbooks and workbooks(slowly) should I move on to the second textbooks and workbooks. Also how long should it take to do the first part? So I know what pace I should go at.
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XiaoPauliJoined: 27 May 2007 Total posts: 134 Location: Texas Age: 26 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I went through three different kinds of Japanese language textbooks in college. I definitely agree that the Genki series by the Japan Times is by far the best of them. Since you're also doing self-study instead of classroom study, I highly recommend you check out the link below to supplement your learning:
http://www.davidhallgren.se/nihon/default.asp
In traditional classroom settings, they usually go through half a book per semester. Accelerated programs or language programs in Japan might go through the entire book in one semester. You can go at a pace you're comfortable with once you start getting to the chapters. It's the beginning that should definitely be stressed, since how well you learn the fundamental material in the beginning decides how fast you will learn later on.
I guess the best measure of whether you're done with the first book is when you get to the second book. If you're struggling a lot in the second book, it means there is some work still left to do in the first book. It's a really nicely organized textbook.
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fairytwixLocation: planet earth Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| paramaya wrote: | Thanks a lot XiaoPauli. So, that's all about someone wanting to say something short, though strangers will get confused if they insist on following the rule they're taught.
As for ga, wa, o being used in which context and when, maybe some more examples will help clear things up (PHEW, need to learn and listen more..). I think counter intuitive is the best answer right (if you know what I mean)? Well done thbirdman and apartomylife. |
hmmm....ye...the uses of the particles sometimes tend to be confusing..i finished my first year of "proper" japanese learning..(meaning..im studying it in university atm, goodbye to self-teaching..) but, once you hear a lot of sentence patterns...you kinda get used to it..at the moment, here are some "patterns" i noticed on which particle to use and when..correct me if im wrong..^^
1)は - well, i don't think this one is really confusing.. why? because so far(from what i've learned), this particle has only served ONE purpose..its just a topic marker... so, it's got the same purpose as "is, are".. with this particle, your just saying that the that "something" is what you are talking about in your sentence.
学校は午前９時から午後４時までです。
がっこうはごぜん９じからごご４じまでです。
School is from 9am to 4pm.
2) がーon the other hand, is used when connecting the adjective and some verbs to the subject or object of the sentence. Here are some common sentence patterns.
Ｎ －ＮＯＵＮ
1)Ｎが あります・いませ・わかります
わたしのかぞくは さんにんが います。
There are 3 people in my family.
(Literal) My family has 3 people.
つくえのうえに さしんが あります。
There is a picture on top of the table.
(Literal) On top of the table, there is a picture.
2) Ｎが 好きです・きらいです。
あめが 好きです。
I like rain.
やさいが きらいです。
I hate/don't like vegetables. (I think for this one "dislike" is more appropriate, since "hate" is such a strong word, so you might have to use "だいきらい” for the one..not sure..)
3)Ｎが じょうずです・へたです。
りょりが じょうずです。
I'm good in cooking. OR I can cook well.
サッカーが へたです。
I'm bad at soccer.
4)Ｎが ほしいです。
あたらしい くるまが ほしいです。
I want a new car.
Now, が can also be used when trying to use the ”たい” form of the verb, but it can only be used to replace the particle ”を”, apart from that, the necessary particle has to be used.
わたしは おきなわへ いきたいです。 (I want to go to Okinawa)
You can't say: わたしは おきなわが いきたいです。
However, for this sentence: わたしは でんぷらを たべたいです。 (I want to eat tenpura)
You can say: わたしは てんぷらが たべたいです。
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Ｑ： こうべで なにを （が） かいたいですか？(What do you want to buy in Kobe?)
Ａ： くつを（が） かいたいです。(I want to buy shoes)
also, ”が” can act also mean "but"..
すみませんですが、今べんきょうしています。
I'm sorry but, I'm studying right now.
かわいいですが、ちょっとたかいですね。。。
It is cute, but a little expensive.
3) をー hmmmmm....for this one, as far as i know, it just marks the object of the verb right? But only for some verbs though, cos like, there is "へ"
ジュースを のみます。
I drink juice.
えきで しんぶんを かみあす。
I buy newspaper at the station.
Hope this helps..I'm still learning as well..hahahah.. i tried making some of the sentence really simple..in case someone might not understand..and, i tried to eliminate the kanjis as much as possible.._________________ 
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torerlingJoined: 21 Mar 2008 Total posts: 35 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:13 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| XiaoPauli wrote: |
In traditional classroom settings, they usually go through half a book per semester. Accelerated programs or language programs in Japan might go through the entire book in one semester. You can go at a pace you're comfortable with once you start getting to the chapters. It's the beginning that should definitely be stressed, since how well you learn the fundamental material in the beginning decides how fast you will learn later on.
I guess the best measure of whether you're done with the first book is when you get to the second book. If you're struggling a lot in the second book, it means there is some work still left to do in the first book. It's a really nicely organized textbook. |
I'm taking a bachelor in japanese language and we do one genki book per semester the first year and then we'll stay for half a year in a japanese university, study at the university at home for half a year, and then for a full year at a japanese university, One genki book in half a year with self study is far too fast I think though, it's harder to pick up the fine grained things when you don't have a teacher that really knows the language, (Yeah and teacher, not a usual person).
The books are really good, the only strange things are some of the english words that areused, they're a bit off, now, english is my third language, and some times the edit is strange:P Just keep at it, and write a lot 
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paramayaJoined: 11 Mar 2008 Total posts: 20 Location: Indonesia Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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@fairytwix: thanks for the long explanation. it really helps for the time
being. somehow i managed to get the
kana tables coz my japanese lesson book doesn't contain them, so all
written in romaji. well, this way, i eventually start getting serious
with the lesson, though i said that the reason i learned japanese was
just to get rid of the subtitles, and to enjoy watching j-dramas more.
but it took me not less than an hour to read your post with so many kana
(and some kanji). i was just figuring out what u actually wanted to say,
and how those kanji words sound.
btw, it's good for you to study the language 'properly'. ganbatte ne.
soshite minna san, i keep hearing a word (or phrase?) translated as
"rather than that" in j-dramas i watch. it sounds like "suriyori" or
something like that, i don't know. could you plz tell me?
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zenitseJoined: 27 Apr 2006 Total posts: 93 Location: Okazaki, Japan Age: 19 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Sore yori. yori usually means literally something like "rather than...". Sore = that (over there)
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paramayaJoined: 11 Mar 2008 Total posts: 20 Location: Indonesia Gender: Male |
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fairytwixLocation: planet earth Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| paramaya wrote: | @fairytwix: thanks for the long explanation. it really helps for the time
being. somehow i managed to get the
kana tables coz my japanese lesson book doesn't contain them, so all
written in romaji. well, this way, i eventually start getting serious
with the lesson, though i said that the reason i learned japanese was
just to get rid of the subtitles, and to enjoy watching j-dramas more.
but it took me not less than an hour to read your post with so many kana
(and some kanji). i was just figuring out what u actually wanted to say,
and how those kanji words sound.
btw, it's good for you to study the language 'properly'. ganbatte ne.
soshite minna san, i keep hearing a word (or phrase?) translated as
"rather than that" in j-dramas i watch. it sounds like "suriyori" or
something like that, i don't know. could you plz tell me? |
ahaha..it's good that you understood it!! ^^ im not too sure how far everyone's japanese is..although im not saying that im THAT good at the language myself either.. but ye..
well, for me, the best way to learn japanese is actually "REPETITIVENESS".. i just repeat and do everything over and over again...like, for practicing kana..i just read as much as i can all the time..even when theyv got kanjis on them, i just read the kanas ikn0.. also when you're writing, rather than writing it in romaji first(as some i kn0w tend to do), its best write it directly in kana..just keep the "list" handy..so if you don't know how to write a certain kana, you cud just look..ne?? ^^ same with kanjis, just write them over and over again..hahahaah..sometimes i feel like such a loser doing so...but it pays off in the long run..believe me! ^^
oh ye, and with the grammar structures..defo do the excercises in w/e books you've got..coz they really help..i actually find myself trying to do various sentence patterns in my mind (with the vocab i know) whenever im bored..hahaha..and as you go along, you'll actually know if you did it right..
じゃ。。。みんなさん。。。がんばりまｓひょうね！！ ときどき、私ももんだいがある、てつだってね？_________________
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