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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

It seems that it's not so uncommon for men to have plastic surgeries in Asia Laugh
Double eye-lid surgeries seem to be very common

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I believe that none of us will do more than watch them on a screen, so who cares? If they choose to do so, then they choose to do so.


do they choose or is there some kind of pressure from the agencies?

With the japanese system, I don't think they can Really do what they want, at least were their career is just starting.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Oh, I'm sure that many of them get strong suggestions if not downright demands by their agencies. It's rather sickening the control that the talent agencies have and how little the artists do. One more reason to not hold it against them.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

^ although when you look at ppl like Domoto Tsuyoshi, sometimes you gotta wonder at how much power the talent agency really has over ppl who are determined enough to ignore them (and have the popularity to back them)... Laugh
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

mizune wrote:
^ although when you look at ppl like Domoto Tsuyoshi, sometimes you gotta wonder at how much power the talent agency really has over ppl who are determined enough to ignore them (and have the popularity to back them)... Laugh


Well Domoto san would need a complete new head ... Mr. Green It's like
Hirosue Ryoko, if you're a surgeon, you wonder where to start...
on the oposite, Tsumabuki or Fukada , I wonder why they had surgery, they looked good before and there's almost no difference.
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Plastic surgery does happen in Japan and Korea. It is common in many rich industrialized nations where people have lots of money to spend. These people are not satisfied with how they have been created. However, that does not mean all the actors/actresses in Japan and Korea have had surgery. They do use a lot of makeup and film-lightening techniques which causes their skin to glow on film. Also, the photographs of the movie stars in promotional posters, magazines, etc are all photoshopped. This makes their skin look as smooth and shiny as plastic, which is of course unnatural. As for 75% of Koreans being born with single-eyelids, that is untrue. For all CJK peoples - roughly half are born with double-eyelids and the other half with single-eyelids. As for this Korean site, hmm... It seems to be typical anti-Japanese fare. Some of them definitely had surgery while the others just didn't have any makeup on and were not photoshopped. So the Koreans making this site and anybody else should know this: The majority of people in any given country are ugly, average or a little bit above in the looks department. It is only the small minority that are exceedingly beautiful, which is why they are the most sought after and garner the most attention.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I always thought Itoh Misaki's nose looked strange and somewhat ugly.

Now I know why. Laugh

As for male celebs such as Nishikido Ryo - I actually prefer Asian men with single eyelids, so I'm thinking he looked better before than after.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

the thing i notice the most is maybe Korean guys noses look way too narrow/thin sometimes to be natural. so i don't know how common it is in Japan or Korea for them to get drastic nose work done? i'm sure some of them have naturally small, and pointy noses, but i'll bet a bunch of them have had nose jobs.

to me, that is pathetic in a way.
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I have absolutely no problem with any form of facial augmentation.

What I DO have a problem with is when fans start mouthing off **** about "XXXX artists look better than YYYY actors", when the world knows for a fact that XXXX frequently use facial augmentation. IMHO, the fans demand for visual perfection drives these artists to get these procedures. If an Asian drama fan is against facial agumentation, talk to your fellow fans and have them stop relying on looks and focus more on the storylines. Personally, I could give a flying f**k about looks; I just want to see some good storylines.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

so are chinese people more statisically inclined to have the double eyelid?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Well i don't totally agree with you Groink. When I watch a movie or a drama i like to see good looking actors because it makes me simply dreaming. It's like when you're watching a sad story, we always prefer the guy to succeed in the end whether it's about life or love. The screen is helping you forget for a bit your complicated life and so on.
This is the main reason i think we shouldn't judge actors who do it. People like good looking actors so they do plastic surgery and so what? As long as the story's good and i get to see gorgeous actors and scenaries i don't care. Especially since i'm not living with them anyway. Like in Politics, the Politicians make lots of promises they never keep but are you going to vote for somebody who tells you " Ah sorry, i'm not gonna give you any hope since i won't keep my promises anyway." Same with every love stories, how many Romantic comedies have you seen with ugly actors? Probably none or maybe one or two...
Let me be clear, i'm not favorable to plastic surgery, i like somebody whose beauty is totally natural however i'm not going to laugh at an actor or start disliking one because he did it since he's body is also an intrument of his work. It is necessary in that industry to look decent.

PS: don't know if i made mysekf clear, poor level in english writing sorry.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

i think it's true that it's up to the person doing the surgery.. but what if they're pressured into it? i think that's the biggest issue. i wont stop someone from doing it, but id ont think they should do it if they dont need to. the fact that most of these people don't have a choice because of competition and stuff is crazy insane!
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Take a look at this...

http://jpoptrash.nihon-fr.com/chirurgiens/chirurgiens.htm

I usually think that asian woman is probably one of the most beautiful in the world, when they're really pretty, because ugly people exists everywhere. After seeing that pictures I only have one thing to say: Damn It! They have a good surgeon! pinch.

PS: Sorry for my english, I'm Spanish and I'm not used to speak in that language.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I think the main problem with plastic surgery is that it's a testament to how narrow our idea of beauty really is. It's come to such an extreme that many Korean actresses look almost the same, with the same nose, the same eyes and in many cases, the same body type. It's really a shame that we let the media dictate us into thinking that only ONE kind of nose or ONE kind of eye or ONE kind of body type is the most desirable and ultimately the only choice for a model or an actor/actress.

I'd like to see more variety in the way actors and actresses look; I'd especially like to see more Asian actors with small eyes and flat noses because I do not think those features are inferior to the Westernized features commonly found in most actors. As for actresses, I'd like to see more with a more unusual body type - most Asian actresses seem to be tall and slim, so I'm always cheering when I see either a petite or a curvy actress. Variety is the spice of life, so I find it very sad that we, the consumers, are forcing our own stars to bow to the same ideal and ultimately make them look almost identical.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Deedlith wrote:
When I watch a movie or a drama i like to see good looking actors because it makes me simply dreaming.


I like to watch good stories with good actors.

We are surrounded by images of beauty that are there only to keep up our libido. it helps selling us all kind of stuff. keep people frustrated ( about how they look, about how their relatives look, about their lives) and you can continue selling them anything. frustration is the base of capitalism.
The ultimate stage of this being internet, where the younguest came to think that it's normal for them to have anything for free... How peculiar! Laugh

Anyway, most of these pictures we see everyday have noothing to do with reality, like it's been said, there's a good photography and make up job and often, some photoshop job. If you meet some actors or models in real life, it's really amazing how they look normal, Honestly, it's disapointing...

rubenaku wrote:
Take a look at this...

http://jpoptrash.nihon-fr.com/chirurgiens/chirurgiens.htm

I usually think that asian woman is probably one of the most beautiful in the world, when they're really pretty, because ugly people exists everywhere. After seeing that pictures I only have one thing to say: Damn It! They have a good surgeon! pinch.


Well, to be honest, it's really unfair, we can judge on only one picture, of some idols, taken when they were young, not by a professional, like some ID card photos, etc... Who said it's not the worst photo of them, and we are supposed to compare with a professional picsure with good make up and the surgery, of course, but here, it definitely doesn't do everything. who doesn't have a picture where he/she looks horrible/weird/stupid ?

Those pictures are put here in a very special purpose, I guess they're chosen in that purpose.

And the supposed "smart" comments under the pictures... makes you happy you don't understand french. I guess the guy who made that site felt better after bashing so meaningly some celebrities, I just feel sorry for him/her, he/she must feel very fustrated in his/her life.
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