Subtitles Requests??? Please Read.

I made this topic here, even at the risk of getting into trouble. I just wanted to know why we are not allowed to request subtitles to our dearly wonderful fansubbers EVEN in an appropriate manor? I am not at all referring to the people who frequently harass the fansubbers, begging for the subs, asking for release dates, etc. etc.

But the moderators must have acknowledged the fact that despite it being a completely taboo subject on this forum, people are STILL requesting fansubs for torrents... and ultimately pissing off any non-noobs. My question is... Why not give the people what they want? Maybe by allowing a certain section within the forum, or by adding another section specifically for subtitles request... and I'll say it again... in a COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE manor, I believe this would settle any, if not all the disputes between the people who simply want their voices to be heard, and the people who harass the noobs...who harass the fansubbers.

This isn't to say that all or many fansub requests would indefinately be answered with a sub... I mean, it may or may not.... but at least it can invite the feeling of freedom of speech without being guilty for breaking the rules of the forum. With all that said, I'd like to thank the fansubbers for all the long and hard work that they've done. You guys have done more than an amazing job and we would never want to overwork you more than you already are nor would we all (or most of us) want to seem ungreatful by harassing you constantly. But please... let us request. It'll be no different the seeding requests. It may not mean we get our subs, but at least we got our say.

A shout out from anyone who agrees would greatly be appreciated. Thank you!!!! Smile

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

It's because:
1. As fansubbers, we hate to be nagged everytime (if it's an ongoing fansubbing project). If there's 12398635248761 of you put one fansub request each, even in an appropriate and polite manner, it still feels very annoying to us.
2. We have life, we have obligations to do. So, fansubbing is definitely not our first priority in life. We do it as a hobby.
3. Putting fansubbing request is pointless. Since fansub is a hobby, it's entirely our God-given intrinsic inalienable right to choose which series to sub. It is completely unconstitutional, annoying, ignorant, childish, pompous, foolish, against the basic human-rights, and pointless to compel us to sub a series based on 14563897651249871 spams -- oops -- posts.

There, I hope I made it clear for you. ;)

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I think you make a good point, I was thinking of asking if we non-subbers could have a wish-list, which the subbers are entirely free to completely ignore and do their own thing. It's an outlet for us, nothing more, and doesn't commit anyone to anything. However, if a subber wanted inspiration for their next project, they could take a look and see if anything being asked for appeals to them.

I would love a section where we non-subbers can let our hair down and talk freely about things we get jumped on for ordinarily. We are not all greedy, selfish, ignorant takers, some of us are actually quite pleasant....okay, that's a lie.......

Provided these areas are clearly defined, nobody would be annoyed by a statement of desire, for example, I would love to see the Yagyu Jubei Nanaban Shobu series subbed, because I adore chambara and jidai geki. I know historical stuff doesn't appeal to many people, subbers or downloaders, so I know it may not happen. If it's never subbed, I will still adore all the subbers for making my life so full of fun, pleasure, anguish and so on, with the stuff that they DO sub. So it's not a demand, a whine or a complaint, it's just something I have on my wishlist.

An area where we can say, oh wouldn't it be wonderful if that was subbed....which can be ignored by anyone who doesn't want to know what we want....is that so bad?

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Gozen, because such thread exists:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_11084.htm

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

The reason why we don't have a section for sub requesting is because subbers may choose to sub the series they like, not the one they're less interested in. Even if there are a lot of requests for a particular drama, the subbers may not even pick that project. There is nothing wrong for requesting, but what is the point of requesting and not being satisfied? I think it's much different to request for subs than seeding because when you request for seedings, many will actually help.
I may sound offended, but I never expect any subs to come out, and when they come out, I'm more than happy and I appreciate the hard work of others in order to make the subs available. Basically, I've seen many requested for subs that are already there, people just didn't bother to search. Some others asked for subs of old series when the interest for them is not at as high of a level like when it first came out.

In order to sub a drama, we need a rigid cooperation from many people from translators, timers, editors, etc. For those dramas that are old or not popular, it's very hard to find translators. Believe me, it's such a torture to go around and ask people to participate. If lucky, you can find some who are willing to join just because they like the series, the plot or the actors, but if not, what you do is just sitting there hopelessly, and nothing can be done. I don't mean to say this just in favor of any party, but translators are the core of any fansubbing projects.

The only effective way to get subs for a certain drama that you like, instead of requesting, you should recruit people first to see if there is any who would want to join, just go around and send them PMs. If you can, every problem is resolved.

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

As mangosteen points out, sub requests are prohibited because they are pointless. Though you want to vent up. Fine. Just don't create yet another thread. Mind you, the three threads are created by the fansubbers or fansub wannabe. Not typical user. If typical users are allowed to make such requests, there would be zillions of them spawn overnight. That'll create a nightmare for moderators/admins (and fansubbers too).

Honestly, I don't care if anyone explodes like a bunch of rowdy psychos or what not -- as long as they don't do it here.

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Just make believe that for EVERY raw posted on D-Addicts, someone out there will want it subbed. If someone here posted an NHK documentary about some obscure African tribe, someone here will want it subbed. I've even seen people want Asian pornography subbed. What's what THAT?!?!?! Kimochi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should all assume that subs are wanted for every single little RAW posted. That's why there isn't any need for a sub request forum/topic. It's just meaningless, a waste of space and it serves no purpose but to piss off fansubbers. What? Leechers need a forum to express themselves? I've said it before and I'll say it again... Leechers have no rights when it comes to fansubbing. And all fanworks are gifts. Maybe some of you begged Santa Claus for stuff when you were a kid. But it doesn't work that way in the drama fansubbing world.

--- groink

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Also, the thread would just turn into a bunch of people spamming:

"wuld some1 plz sub xxx seriez 4 me i need it bad"

You can't SAY a thread is only for polite, civil fansub requests because it would really just turn into demands. If you want subs for a drama so bad, learn Japanese/Korean/Chinese and do it your damn self.

I'm very sure the thread would get ignored by the majority of the fansubbers, because I can't tell you how annoying it is when I get PMs from random people trying to get me to sub something. In fact, I went on the d-addicts IRC channel last night just to see who was there, and I wasn't there 10 minutes before somebody started begging me to sub such and such a series. It's just downright rude. So any thread that is just that would definitely have the opposite effect on fansubbers than the requesters desire.

It's bad enough when people don't shut up about "When is the next sub coming out? When is the next episode coming out?" but to have people post that kind of stuff about projects you're not even subbing? Alcoholic

No thank you.

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Just because fans want to see a series subbed doesn't mean any fansubbers want to do it, as people pretty much said already. As people said above, fansubbers work on series they have interest in. If they do it b/c fans are asking, then they are probably doing it to feed their ego Laugh

I can tell you, if someone asked me to sub a show about the life cycle of the Madagascar hissing cockroach, I wouldn't do it no matter how many people asked me because I would have absolutely no interest in it, but I'm sure at least one person would want to request something like that. pinch

It's good for fans to thank fansubbers and give them encouragement (i.e. "you're doing a great job, thank you!"), but other than that it's best to not pester fansubbers. Many fansubbers see requests as being pestered. If a fansubber puts up a thread or poll asking fans to help them make a selection of which series to work on, that's totally fine. We reserve 'giving the fans what they want' up to the fansubbers to ask what the fans want, because many fansubbers fansub for different reasons (the main one being their own interest). Some don't give a crap about what the fans want but are doing it for their own interest, translation practice, et cetera.

We (mods and admins) do not want fansubbers feeling uncomfortable here, but can't eyeball every post in every thread. We have a lot of fansubbers here, so I hope a good chunk of them will give their input here as some already did.

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I pretty much ignore all requests unless they come from other active fansubbers. If I feel any obligation, it's to the other people who are spending their valuable time subbing the shows that *I* want to see. I would consider a toplevel forum heading for fansub requests to be most useful if it were set up so that anyone with a "fansubber" banner could click a button and ignore it, like the similar facility that we all have now for ignoring individual ankle-biters.

Polite people know how to frame requests so that they do not rankle. Unfortunately politeness seems to be impossible for many, many people. On the other hand, leechers who hang out on your thread and say nice things and shoot the breeze can accumulate vast stores of auspicious karma with individual fansubbers.

Anyone with details about that cockroach special can PM me.

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Hah!!! This thread just makes me laugh.

Brown_eyes: the above-mentioned threads are as close as you will ever get to sub requests being allowed anywhere in here. I would recommend that you leave it at that. If all that "I gotta see this or that series subbed" venting need gets too strong, send some of it my way and I will deflate your little balloon quick-fast in a hurry, k?

Contrary to popular belief, "freedom of speech" doesn't apply in an opt-in member forum. And sub requests aren't allowed and fall on less-than deaf ears pretty much always (unless some cranky S.O.B. like myself chooses to respond, and that's generally something you DON'T want)

Frankly, what you call "venting" is what most of us call whining, and it's unwanted, annoyikng, and pretty much never gets the desired result. Quite the opposite in fact.

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Pokute often shares similar sentiments with me, but puts them in a much nicer way..... Tongue

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Well, users still have their "freedom of speech", but fansubbers have their "freedom to ignore" and of course moderators / admins have their "freedom to lock the threads"... Mr. Green