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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:52 am    Post subject: Are there any "gay" dramas?   Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I was wondering if anyone knew of any japanese, chinese, or hk series that have or revolve around a gay character/s? I have never encountered an asian drama where the main character or one of the main characters was gay. Is there such a drama?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

really good question...
i think that's the kind of thing that happen..... really few :p
curious if someone heard of that :p
since i never saw myself (ive been 2month in korea... watching a lot of dramas:p)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:16 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

HK series, alot of them are stereotyped though, maybe they're homophobic?

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Um, the tw drama, The Rose has a character that's...gay...or bi-sexual. And another tw drama, called Nie Zi revolves the story around a gay teen.
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hey crazylazy)chief....what drama is ur avatar from? Big Smile

back to topic, in kimi wa petto there were 3 "gay" people...the landlord, momo's old trainer, and the person at momo's dance studio. but the man who always follows momo is probably just feminine b/c he liked momo's mom. LOL

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Antique is based on a yaoi manga.. about some guys working @ a bakery. Although, I haven't read the manga or watched the jdrama yet... Takizawa Hideaki from Strawberry on the Shortcake is in it.
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Are there any non-televised ones around? There's lots of gay anime but very little of it made it to the television. Most of it was released straight to VHS or DVD or on specialty channels that were separate from standard cable packages.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:46 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

i don't think there is a drama that made it to television and revolves around gay people. i watched a series,asunaro hakusho that has a gay person and he likes the main character.it's an interesting twist.

and i think crazylazy_chief avatar's is from a korean series called a love to kill?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:22 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Err...I watched HK Gay movie at once but I didn't remember the name of it.
And the point is it sells in a Large DVD Shop in my country! Oh...my friend bought it so I borrowed her.
Ne...it's really romantic. I like it so much. Oh...and love scene is also cute.

Actually I don't know before that HK also have these style but I think ther're a lot of these gay movie in Japan. lol.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:45 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I have seen Kimi wa Petto, so I knew about those characters already (although none of them are really gay). I've seen an episode of Antique Bakery, and there wasn't really anything yaoi-ish about it, although I did see some screen caps where Tackey and the main chef looked like they were going to kiss. Seems like there really isn't an asian drama where there is a strong lead/supporting character or that centers on the subject, huh? I wonder why, considering most asian areas, excluding Korea, are really accepting of homosexuality and whatnot.


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waterboys.. the mama-sans in the bar where they hang out are actually not just openly gay.. but are also trannies....

waterboys2.. there was a gay teacher.

in waterboys the movie there was a gay guy too
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haha i forgot about kimi wa peto ^^
but u right ^^
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Umm... there's Yasha too. It's a sci-fi drama but also shounen-ai. It's about two twin brothers, Sei and Rin. Rin loves Sei but Sei loves Moichi (a blind guy)... it's an interesting story, full of suspance and romance. People who dislike shounen-ai/yaoi could enjoy it too because there are a lot of other topics
The actor for Sei and Rin is Hideaki Ito (<3) and for Moichi is Shuji Kashiwabara (Takashi's brother ^O^)
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Gokusen2 is not gay? scratch Crazy
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That's right. I forgot about the Waterboys series and movie littlemissfab ^^ Yasha sounds pretty interesting. A sci-fi drama, huh?

Kirari, what about Gokusen 2 do you think is gay? That I know of, there is only one character who is questionably gay, but he is just one of the general students in the class. The one who is interested in fashion and wants to work in a boutique. At least I got that impression from him, hence why I say questionable ^^ And he's not really ever spot-lighted, so I wouldn't really count him too Smile
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i'm curious as to why the waterboys series features them though. is homosexuality still a taboo issue in japan?[/b]
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Kirari, what about Gokusen 2 do you think is gay? That I know of, there is only one character who is questionably gay, but he is just one of the general students in the class.


haha, well none of the characters were openly gay, but I saw way more signs than that. What about those 3 guys from the main five. >_< Can't recall their names, not Ryu and Hayato. There was an eppy where in they were feeding each other. And they showed that gay picture in which the prissy guy was (almost) kissing the tall guy. And every time they were in that bar, there's always one guy lying in another guys lap. pinch I'm really not good with names, but watch it again you'll see.
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littlemissfab wrote:
i'm curious as to why the waterboys series features them though. is homosexuality still a taboo issue in japan?[/b]


I don't know. I'm a little confused about that as well. In anime, it's a common thing for someone of the same sex to like each other. It seems like their society ois brought up thinking that it is no big deal. But then in dramas there seem to be no gay characters, or at least prominantly featured gay characters. It's a little confusing ^^

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Kirari, what about Gokusen 2 do you think is gay? That I know of, there is only one character who is questionably gay, but he is just one of the general students in the class.


haha, well none of the characters were openly gay, but I saw way more signs than that. What about those 3 guys from the main five. >_< Can't recall their names, not Ryu and Hayato. There was an eppy where in they were feeding each other. And they showed that gay picture in which the prissy guy was (almost) kissing the tall guy. And every time they were in that bar, there's always one guy lying in another guys lap. pinch I'm really not good with names, but watch it again you'll see.


I know what you mean. The "couple" of Gokusen 2 is Tsuchiya and Hyuga. It's true that they are always touchy and affectionate, but I took it as more of a playful thing. And tha part where they almost kissed wasn't romantic or anything. The entire class was really happy and they were running and pretended to "kiss" each other out of happiness. They seem to be really close friends (at least in the series). They are the other "couple" besides Odagiri and Hayato. And also, don't forget about the episode that featured Tsuchiya where he had a crush on that elementary school girl ^^ Their relationship reminds me of the whole Tackey & Tsubasa rabu rabu love. It's the same as that ^^ Where they do all of these yaoi-ish things out of playfulness that people love.
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This is something that I've been wondering a lot about as well! ^_^

Being a devoted shounen-ai/yaoi/BL/etc. fan, I've always wanted to see some "gay" dramas. =D I found some series on CD Japan that was centered around gay characters (I forgot the name of it. T_T ), and I was going to buy it, but I wasn't sure exactly what it was about, and I ended up not purchasing it. T_T

BUT...I'm always open to suggestions, and it seems like you guys are all pretty good with recalling dramas with gay characters. =)

I'm going to poke around. <3

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@fireboy, this would fit ur requirements.
Dousoukai. http://www.jdorama.com/drama.508.htm

Lead character is a closet gay whose in love with his best friend (who is straight)for years. Trying to conform to society norms, he proposes to the ex girlfriend of his best frd (the one he's in love with) since she's the only girl he's even been comfortable with. Guilty with himself for making the proposal, he walks into a gay club in Shinjuku, Ni-Chome and has a one night stand with a teenage male hooker.

The teenage hooker falls in love with our lead character after that fateful encounter. Our lead character tries hard but in vain to have normal marriage relations with his wife after marriage. He starts to have an affair with the male hooker. In the process, his wife discovers his secret, his best frd (his love) discovers that he is the object of affection of our lead character.

Will the wife seek a divorce? What is the best frd's reactiom after learning his secret? His affair with the teenage hooker? You have to view the drama to find out.

This drama is really ground breaking... doubt any station would dare to take on such a challenging theme in today's drama broadcasting climate. It's the first and only time i've ever seen the topic of gay rapes being mentioned in an Asian drama.


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What.... the..... f***.....

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The question is now "Where can we download dousoukai from?" scratch
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Ok...the previous post that I said HK Gay movie and I didn't remember the title. I remember it. It's 'formular 17'.
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i'm pretty sure formula 17 is a taiwanese movie and yes it was very cute Smile
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Taiwanese movie! May be I'm wrong because I don't know what language they speak. It's thai version that sold in my country. Sorry.
Hey, it's very cute. I feel shy when I watched the seen that they flirt. Wub May be I'm 'Y' girl. Hehe... Tongue
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Was downloading something off winny, got reminded of more dramas....

Neverland - (shounen-ai) Batch of cute guys staying in a broading school. One of the juniors boys have a crush on his senpai.

Ningen shikkaku - (shounen-ari) http://www.jdorama.com/drama.283.htm

I would think like in the case of animes, a lot of dramas are pretty slashable.

One of the most famous and popular drama "couple" ever - Makoto x King in Ikebukuro West Gate Park ttp://www.jdorama.com/drama.483.htm. There's a whole shelf of DJs devoted to them in those Harajuku bookstores when the drama aired couple of years ago.
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( mod edit ) post deleted.

Lifo, please be considerate of the diversity of our community. your post offended our members, and if you make another similar post, your account will be banned.
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hmm..
Wong Kar Wai's happy together?
but thats HK movie.. won best actor at cannes?

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love_crisis wrote:
Ok...the previous post that I said HK Gay movie and I didn't remember the title. I remember it. It's 'formular 17'.


Ah,. I think I have heard of that movie before ^^ Too bad movies aren't allowed to be uploaded here.

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Was downloading something off winny, got reminded of more dramas....

Neverland - (shounen-ai) Batch of cute guys staying in a broading school. One of the juniors boys have a crush on his senpai.

Ningen shikkaku - (shounen-ari) http://www.jdorama.com/drama.283.htm

I would think like in the case of animes, a lot of dramas are pretty slashable.


Neverland sounds interesting. It seems to be a cast composed of Johnny's Ent./Johnny's Jr. members ^^ I will look into the others as well. By the way, I love your avatar! I love Hayami Mokomich Wub i!!! Happy to see another one of his fans here Mr. Green

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hmm..
Wong Kar Wai's happy together?
but thats HK movie.. won best actor at cannes?


I don't think I've heard of this movie before. Thanks for the recommendation though ^^


On a side note, is there a good site to download asian movies from? Particulartly some of the movies you guys mentioned Smile Sorry if I'm not allowed to ask that here ><;; Maybe if someone knows, they can PM me?
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really there are gay who also has movie, i never see it
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I can't think of any gay themed live action, but as far as anime goes, Kyou Kara Maou is a totally gay themed show, and it at least started out being hilarious (for about 30 episodes), before just fizzling out altogether.
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God I HaTe Gays !

And ur looking for Gay series .. i mean what do u like in them ......?! scratch


whatever happened to tolerance and open-mindedness?

im sorry. but inasmuch as views in the thread aren't limited, there are some things that should be just kept to one's self.
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The dramas that have been suggested sound really interesting!

Does anyone know where I can download "Ningen Shikkaku" or "Neverland" (preferrably with English subtitles - if not, then that's okay too)? Suprise

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And ur looking for Gay series .. i mean what do u like in them ......?! scratch


Well for one, I myself am in the queer community and it's always lovely to see my crowd represented in popular media. Part of the social alienation of certain groups of people is due to lack of representation in popular media, ie movies, television, et cetera. When you go see a movie or something and you don't see anyone who could in any way represent you, you start to feel a little alone in the world and this can really build up.

Anyways, I love gay people pinch I actually live on the gay floor at my college (we're large enough to have one) and it's always a riot.

Don't be a downer. If you hate gay people, get out of this thread.
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If I can shed a little light on this subject with that I know....

(Before someone flames me for generalizing, this is all my opinion based on what I have seen of Japanese culture. I'm not saying that all Japanese people are like this.)

Homosexuality in Japan isn't as such a "taboo", but it comes close. It sort of one of those things that everyone knows is there, but there is one of those silent agreements that no one really talks about it.

I think of it like this, in western countries you generally have one extreme or the other. There are those that actively hate homosexuality, and there are those out there that are very accepting and supportive towards it. Japan is generally neither of those, it's more like "I accept it's there but I don't want to know about it.".

That being said, you still see homosexual themes appearing around the place in popular Japanese culture. Most significant of this is the huge cult following that has spread to just about every corner of the west, "Yaoi" or "Shounen-ai" anime/manga. Apart from that there are well known Japanese movies that are hugely based around homosexual themes such as "Gohatto" ("Taboo") (1999).

Also there's the thing that in ancient Japan homosexuality (or at least bisexuality) was a pretty big thing. It was considered pretty normal for a samurai to be sleeping with both men and women in the same evening. (More info from Wikipedia here.

All that having being said, you can't help but wonder why the Japanese attitude to homosexuality has come to what it is.

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KameSama wrote:
If I can shed a little light on this subject with that I know....

(Before someone flames me for generalising, this is all my opinion based on what I have seen of Japanese culture. I'm not saying that all Japanese people are like this.)

Homosexuality in Japan isn't as such a "taboo", but it comes close. It sort of one of those things that everyone knows is there, but there is one of those silent agreements that no one really talks about it.


The "taboo" of homosexuality was brought in by the Westerners with their Christianity. Before that, the Japanese have a history of acceptance of homosexuality, as you said before.

Part of the "don't talk about it"ness of the "taboo" (if we're gonna keep calling it a taboo) is just the Japanese way of not discussing private matters. Private matters stay within the family and close close close friends. Private life and public life don't mix at all.

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That being said, you still see homosexual themes appearing around the place in popular Japanese culture. Most significant of this is the huge cult following that has spread to just about every corner of the west, "Yaoi" or "Shounen-ai" anime/manga. Appart from that there are well known Japanese movies that ar hugely based around homosexual themes such as "Gohatto" ("Taboo") (1999).


The rise of "yaoi" and "shounen-ai" in Japan is fairly easily explainable. The majority of the market (aka just about all of it) are women and they read these comics and watch these anime as a form of escapism. The role of women in Japan today is rather subservient and although they are equal by law, in society, they really aren't. So they escape from all this by watching/reading/whatever-ing something that is completely different from what they know. This also explains the use of the bishounen (pretty boy). Women can more easily relate to a beautiful, effeminate man rather than some hunk of muscle. It really makes sense if you think about it. When you put any kind of media, especially Japanese media, into the sense of escapism, a lot of stuff gets explained pinch
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Dousoukai
Neverland
Ningen shikkaku

So these are the dramas we're aiming for? Hmmmmm. I wonder if they'd have ripped copies on eBay that we could rip and make torrents out of.
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Okay so, uh, I just bought Ningen Shikkaku on eBay on VCD. Unfortunately there are no English subs (but for $12 including shipping, who cares? I'm a Japanese major anyway so I'll understand it anyway). If someone wants to sub/time it, I'll gladly rip it and make it into a torrent. Or if anyone knows Japanese and wants it plain.
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equang wrote:
Okay so, uh, I just bought Ningen Shikkaku on eBay on VCD. Unfortunately there are no English subs (but for $12 including shipping, who cares? I'm a Japanese major anyway so I'll understand it anyway). If someone wants to sub/time it, I'll gladly rip it and make it into a torrent. Or if anyone knows Japanese and wants it plain.


Well go ahead and upload the raws. If I like it I'd be glad to sub it.

Prehaps a team effort?

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oh that would be great Big Smile im very interested.I wish i could help but i dont understand japanese well enough.

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Ah...if someone upload it, I'll definitely download it. Haha... Laugh
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:24 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

i would love to watch it too!!!

and hoorays to equang for his pride in being gay!!!! total respects from me, and *my little secret* : i've always wanted a gay guy best friend, something like will and grace, seems sooo fun... lol

i don't tink that there are a lot of gay asian dramas, especially jap dramas because its a very touchy and somewhat taboo subject and the view ratings would probably not be very high.

but i've noticed during film festivals, there are sooo many films that somewhat touch on this subject.

and since i live in canada, ppl are a bit more opened to things like that...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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and hoorays to equang for his pride in being gay!!!! total respects from me, and *my little secret* : i've always wanted a gay guy best friend, something like will and grace, seems sooo fun... lol


Haha, hate to break it to you, honey, but I'm not gay. I'm something else called 'transgender' where the gender of my soul doesn't match the sex of my body. I consider myself a straight male but my two best friends (guys) are gay and there are plenty of gays around to make sure I don't make a fashion disaster out of myself pinch *manages to do it anyway*.

But yeah, as soon as the VCDs come in, I'll rip them and torrent them.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Also, Neverland is available on VCD via eBay, however, after shipping, and with Christmas coming up, it's a bit more than I want to spend at this time. If someone else wants to pick it up, rip, and torrent it, now's your chance, lol. Just letting everyone know that it's available.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Chinese/TW/HK gay themed movies:

Happy Together (I love Wong Kar Wai!)
The Wedding Banquet (it is directed by Ang Lee and he does have an upcoming movie "Brokeback Mountain" another gay themed movie - though American)
Formula 17
A Queer Story
Lan Yu
East Palace, Wst Palace
Bishonen (Daniel and Stephen are the main actors)

Chinese/HK dramas:

20/30 or Love Dictionary
Net Deception (a mother whos is a lesbian and lives with her partner)
The King of Yesterday and Tomorrow

I'm sure there are more but right now I can't think of them...

Japanese Movie:
Gohatto

JDrama:
Love Complex

Yaoi and shonen-ai anime/manga are relatively normalized because they are geared towards women. They often view homosexual relationships as idealized fantasy disconnected with reality. As long as it's not part of the reality, it's accepted. I have yet to see a gay anime that deals with issues surrounding the gay community. The closest was Utena the Movie (Utena discovering her sexuality) but even then it was more or less a fantasy setting.

J-Dramas tend to do almost the exact same thing with homosexual characters as well. The gay characters are often the comic relief characters, transgender - by this I mean the men wear makeup, dress in more feminine clothes and exaggerate female behaviour. There was a very interesting article I read in a anime magazine some years back regarding the issue of homosexuality in Japanese media (mostly in anime/manga) and it was an interview with the director of Utena the Movie.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

the big mass doesnt like gays so there arent many dramas like that
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Besides the ones that have already been named, the one that still sticks out in my mind is Placebo Cure a Hong Kong series, where the lesbian couple actually was the second lead and had a developed story. Cherie Kong and Eileen Yeow were great in it, and you should give that series a try. After a while, all I could focus on was their love story and struggle and found the main leads to be boring. Big Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:03 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

this is a good place to check out too they have anime as well as live movies http://www.aarinfantasy.com/ Cool Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:16 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

*Lifo* wrote:
God I HaTe Gays !

And ur looking for Gay series .. i mean what do u like in them ......?! scratch


LOL and you had to post that right? i mean that answers the posters question?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

BokuWaShinigami wrote:
The dramas that have been suggested sound really interesting!

Does anyone know where I can download "Ningen Shikkaku" or "Neverland" (preferrably with English subtitles - if not, then that's okay too)? Suprise


i think ive seen neverland listed on a clubbox ill look for it for ya.
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