Proposed Uploading Rule for Fansubs

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Oh, and about the Taiyou thing, I'm well aware that SARS is redoing all the earlier eps as well. Just that they were able to initially finish it out so that all the people waiting for it could see it without waiting another few weeks or months or whatever while the earlier eps were being done. Similar thing applied to the last ep of Loveholic. Both were done with the consent of the original uploaders, so it would have been a nonissue here as well. Another example of how simple communication and consideration works!!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:41 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Thanks for the input so far everybody. Come on where are the other vocal people? Please provide your input, I won't bite and its ok to be disagreeing thats why I made this topic as a proposal for a rule rather than just set the rule in stone on the upload page already.

I'll give this a few more days.

offtopic:
argh phpbb group just announced that they forgot to put some code changes to the latest release, which I had already applied to several sites already gaaah!!! Crazy

Too tired now will do the rest of the patching up tomorrow.

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Wild idea, no idea how to implement it, but with respect to Soft Subs on RAW video…

Perhaps in each torrent's Subtitles detail there could be a link to that show's "Subtitle Page," where you can download the .srt (or whatever) for Soft-Subs -- OR post your name as being interested in doing them, if there aren't any yet (or perhaps even if there are, and you just want to do new ones). It could function much like the VSS does now, but with a separate page for each show.

Organizing it that way would give downloaders an easy way to find the subs they want, or at least to know that some might be forthcoming (because someone has listed their name as working on it). Better still, listing the volunteers gives the fansubbers themselves an easy way to see whether there's anyone already on the project, and who to contact if they want to collaborate (perhaps allowing somebody who can do the translation to find someone who only wants to do timing).

Good idea? Maybe…?

Sorry, I was in internet limbo for most of this weekend and into today so I'm a bit late with this... Sad

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Ok so far there doesn't seem to be any objection or amendment to the points I've listed in the first post and I think enough time has elapsed so I'm going to be making this an official rule and posting it with the FAQ soon.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Hi !

thank you for that guide of uploading rules for fansub.
But, i have a small question.
I change the tracker BT for D-addict and i'd post yesterday an episode of a serie we do in our team. The torrent is in the "pending section" and a would like to know how many time a torrent stay in that section.
Because i have to upload all of the episode's torrent we have already made so i hope it's not very long ^^

thanks

Kite

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Kite: I think you're better off subscribing to the Uploaders Group (go to the Groups tab above), so that way, you don't have to worry about whether or not your torrents get approved or not, since they will be automatically accepted if you're in this group.

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Ho ! Ok thanks huyie ^^

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I'm raising this question again since I'm seeing some problem arrising now. I'm sorry I cannot join the discussion early on because I was still a noobie back then.

For me ... Hardsub and softsub has different role in this community. We are in no way near the anime community which can release their hardsub translation as fast we can releaese our softsub. What I mean is, softsub is for people who want to watch dramas through the season. So, I think if a subber has announced they want to do a softsub, other people should refrain their intention from subbing because the other subber has done the purpose of softsub.

That said, hardsub is another thing. People expect "perfectness" in hardsub so it takes longer to make. Hardsub also serve a different purpose. It's mainly for collectors who has terabytes of drama and I think they should have a choice to choose from.

I hope my post will make this thread goes into discussion once again.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I'm not addressing this comment to the administration but to the third-party subbers/uploaders that may visit this thread. My thoughts are limited to soft-subs, because I understand different circumstances may applly to hard subs.

I think the current rule on uploading subs for a show that has been or is being subbed by somebody else strikes a fair enough balance between making asian dramas more accessible to a wider audience on one hand and protecting the interests of individual subbers or subbing groups in their ongoing projects on the other. But even the most well thought out rules will not foster a peaceful and orderly environment that is conducive to subbers and their work unless the subbers themselves make a determined effort to get along with and respect each other.

What I'm talking about here is not an issue of "rights". Anybody has as much of a "right" as anyone else to make unlicensed subs for whichever drama they choose, and nobody can really stake out a particular drama and render it off-limits to others. In fact, all unofficial subbers and subgroups have equal "rights" in the sense that, legally speaking, thay all have zero rights vis-a-vis the original works of authorship they choose to sub. But even if there is no legally enforceable regime of rights and obligations between subbers with respect to soft subs, that doesn't mean subbers can feel free to act or behave any which way they please. Witness the hostile and overly competetive atmosphere that kind of laissez-faire attitude has cultivated among anime hardsub groups.

That is why instead of looking at multiple softsubbers doing the same show from a vantage based on "rights', I urge dorama softsubbers to view it as an issue of courtesy. You have to be considerate and sensitivie to how your actions may affect your fellow subbers. Ask yourself if the world really needs another set of softsubs for the same show. Remember that any personal satisfaction and enjoyment you may get out of creating the softsubs shouldn't come at the expense of someone else. If your purpose is to release a better version over existing softsubs, ask yourself if the incremental improvement, if any, is truely worth showing up the other subber's efforts. You may claim that it isn't about competition, and actually be sincere, but let's get real here - if you sub the same show, you are creating a basis of comparison between yourself and the other subber, and you know it. Even if this doesn't bother you, bear in mind that the other subber may not be as dense. Finally, you may not realize this, but by giving the leechers "alternatives" you are commodifiying not just your work, but the other subber's work as well. Bereft of uniqueness, a subber's labor of love is no longer a gift, but a product, and the leecher is more like a shopper looking for the best quality goods. All those peculiar touches and other bits of yourself that you may have invested in your subs are reduced from personal expressions to mere features on a checklist, meant to entice customers to choose your goods instead of the others. You may say all that doesn't apply to you because that's not your attitude towards subbing, but what if that's how the other subber feels?

Again, this is no longer an issue for the admins of this site but something that softsubbers need to work out among themselves. If you plan to softsub anything I hope you consider these issues before you horn in on somebody else's project. If you know somebody is already working on a show, or have good reason to believe, based on prior work on a series, that a subber plans to continue subbing the sequel or special, communicate with that other subber and see how he/she/they feel before setting up a competing effort. I'm not saying you need to ask permission. Just don't be jerks. If the other subber isn't happy, consider subbing something else. It's not as if there's a shortage of unsubbed material. This is the minimum level of courtesy you owe to your colleagues.

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

joeboygo: i thought that was very observant of you. i have also witnessed same projects being worked on by different groups. some are collaborative and others seem competitive.

i honestly don't think any group who fansubs set out to be 'jerks'. but several of the ones on DA are new to the subbing community and my not know the 'unwritten' rules. they like a particular drama and they want to sub it. no one can argue with that.

but besides what joeboy mentioned, i would also say that fansubbers may want to seek uniqueness and individuality. KICKAZZDRAMA may be an awesome new series that everyone in the world wants to sub. but if three groups sub KAD, then (IMO) it's not going to be a drama that your group will be remembered for.

there are tons of dramas (old/new) and specials that would delight many fans if they were subbed. hopefully, more fansubbers start seeking these dramas as projects.

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0